Re: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 5:55 AM, geneb wrote: > On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian S. King wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:24 PM, geneb wrote: >> >> On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian Finder wrote: >>> >>> WTF did I just read. >>> Fred in absolutely rare form.

Re: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]

On 3 February 2017 at 19:32, Josh Miller wrote: > I love this. Mr. Stross's work is a favorite of mine. The laundry > files are particularly crunchy. The Internet is awesome. He's a superb writer. I have all of his books up to about 2012, because he gave me copies of

Re: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]

> A friend of mine, Charlie Stross I love this. Mr. Stross's work is a favorite of mine. The laundry files are particularly crunchy. The Internet is awesome.

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On 2 February 2017 at 23:21, Fred Cisin wrote: > Frankly, it SCARES me that that wasn't absurd enough! A friend of mine, Charlie Stross, recently had to rewrite the outline of a novel because his bleak dystopian vision of the near-future "free world" wasn't _nearly_ bleak

Re: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]

On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian S. King wrote: On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:24 PM, geneb wrote: On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian Finder wrote: WTF did I just read. Fred in absolutely rare form. I nearly choked on coffee at the "yodeling jellyfish" bit. I'd give him fake internet points

Re: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:51 AM, Ian S. King wrote: > On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:24 PM, geneb wrote: > > > On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian Finder wrote: > > > > WTF did I just read. > >> > >> Fred in absolutely rare form. I nearly choked on coffee at the > "yodeling >

Re: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:24 PM, geneb wrote: > On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian Finder wrote: > > WTF did I just read. >> >> Fred in absolutely rare form. I nearly choked on coffee at the "yodeling > jellyfish" bit. I'd give him fake internet points if I could. :) > > Also, QUIT TOP

Re: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]

On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian Finder wrote: WTF did I just read. Fred in absolutely rare form. I nearly choked on coffee at the "yodeling jellyfish" bit. I'd give him fake internet points if I could. :) Also, QUIT TOP POSTING. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only

Re: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > Reality is weirder than the most ridiculous crap that I could come up with? > Yes. Satire is dead.

Re: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]

I intended it to be absurd enough to provide some humor. It apparently failed at that. Sorry. On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian S. King wrote: Fred, you have to turn it up to 11 - after all, consider your competition these days in the domain of absurdity. It wouldn't be so bad, if people just said

Re: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]

- Original Message - From: "Fred Cisin" <ci...@xenosoft.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk@classiccmp.org> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 4:23 PM Subject: Re: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk

Re: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian Finder wrote: > >> WTF did I just read. >> > > An agreement with Mouse about plain-text, by sarcastically > objecting to use of plain text in the RFC, segueing into an > off-the-wall rant objecting to

Re: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]

On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian Finder wrote: WTF did I just read. An agreement with Mouse about plain-text, by sarcastically objecting to use of plain text in the RFC, segueing into an off-the-wall rant objecting to planned obsolescence. It was inspired by finding only Youtube videos for some simple

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WTF did I just read. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > If you think that, you _really_ need to read 3676. >> > > Nobody's going to read that the way that it is formatted. > > If they expect people to read it, they will have to punch it up, with > fonts,

RE: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]

eral Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm > 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5] > > > > > It's COURYHOUSE[sic]'s fault. His email setup doesn't comply with best > > practices

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>>> Can someone please fix the mailing list software? This has been >>> reported every once in a while by a bunch of people for over ten >>> years. >> Bounces aren't caused by the mailing list, they're caused by the >> destination mail server. Depends on how you view `cause'. My own mailserver

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a...@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) wrote: > > Can someone please fix the mailing list software? This has been > reported every once in a while by a bunch of people for over ten > years. > I got "server failed" several times when I tried to look up the MX records for gnu.org. It seems to be working

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> > It's COURYHOUSE[sic]'s fault. His email setup doesn't comply with best > practices and so Gmail and other mail systems reject messages from him. > What you say may be true but I do not believe this is the root of the problem. (I also find it hard to see how you know whether Gmail and other

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On Jan 31, 2017 11:59 PM, "Kyle Owen" wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Brian L. Stuart > wrote: > > > > What I've been wondering for a while is the span of time over which > > the bounces are counted. I can understand shutting a

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On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Brian L. Stuart wrote: > > What I've been wondering for a while is the span of time over which > the bounces are counted. I can understand shutting a subscriber off > for getting 10 bounces in as many minutes. On the other hand if those

Re: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]

On Tue, 1/31/17, geneb wrote: > On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: >> Can someone please fix the mailing list software? This has been >> reported every once in a while by a bunch of people for over ten >> years. > > Bounces aren't caused by the mailing list, they're

Re: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]

On Jan 31, 2017, at 6:30 PM, Mouse wrote: > >>> (Speaking of best practices, you're generating paragraph-length >>> lines; you might want to read RFC 3676.) >> Thatâ??s up to the receiving MUA to deal with, not the sending one. > > If you think that, you _really_

OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]

If you think that, you _really_ need to read 3676. Nobody's going to read that the way that it is formatted. If they expect people to read it, they will have to punch it up, with fonts, colors, background images and textures, formats, animated emojis, audio accompaniment, and embedded

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>> (Speaking of best practices, you're generating paragraph-length >> lines; you might want to read RFC 3676.) > Thatâ??s up to the receiving MUA to deal with, not the sending one. If you think that, you _really_ need to read 3676. /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon

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On Jan 31, 2017, at 2:04 PM, Mouse wrote: > > (Speaking of best practices, you're generating paragraph-length lines; > you might want to read RFC 3676.) That’s up to the receiving MUA to deal with, not the sending one. -- Chris

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> I'm on comcast.net and I get these too. Once a week or so on average. The $ (Speaking of best practices, you're generating paragraph-length lines; you might want to read RFC 3676.) You most likely wouldn't notice unless the bounce traffic got bad enough to trip some list's auto-suspend test.

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> On Jan 31, 2017, at 4:54 PM, Sean Conner wrote: > > It was thus said that the Great Kyle Owen once stated: >> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Paul Koning wrote: >> >>> >>> I'm on comcast.net and I get these too. Once a week or so on average. >>>

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On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 13:13 william degnan wrote: > it's not 1999 anymore. Hey, I can dream, can't I!? LispMs and VAX 11/750s all over, and cheap! > -- Ian Finder (206) 395-MIPS ian.fin...@gmail.com

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It was thus said that the Great Kyle Owen once stated: > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > > > > > I'm on comcast.net and I get these too. Once a week or so on average. > > The puzzle is that cctalk is the ONLY list that does this. I subscribe to > >

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On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > > I'm on comcast.net and I get these too. Once a week or so on average. > The puzzle is that cctalk is the ONLY list that does this. I subscribe to > a whole pile of them, and as far as I know they all complain about

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> On Jan 31, 2017, at 4:13 PM, william degnan wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Ian Finder wrote: > >> It's COURYHOUSE[sic]'s fault. His email setup doesn't comply with best >> practices and so Gmail and other mail systems reject messages

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On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Ian Finder wrote: > It's COURYHOUSE[sic]'s fault. His email setup doesn't comply with best > practices and so Gmail and other mail systems reject messages from him. > > Ask him to fix his email setup. I think it's because he is essentially >

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It's COURYHOUSE[sic]'s fault. His email setup doesn't comply with best practices and so Gmail and other mail systems reject messages from him. Ask him to fix his email setup. I think it's because he is essentially spoofing the from address and using a different SMTP relay? I don't remember. If

Re: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, Eric Christopherson wrote: What causes the mailing list to suspend people when their server has been sending bounces? That's default (and correct) behavior. I was hoping for more details. Is it a defense mechanism for the list so that email addresses that are no longer

Re: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:30 PM, geneb wrote: > On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, Eric Christopherson wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:15 PM, geneb wrote: >> >> On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: >>> >>> Can someone please fix the mailing list

Re: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, Eric Christopherson wrote: On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:15 PM, geneb wrote: On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: Can someone please fix the mailing list software? This has been reported every once in a while by a bunch of people for over ten

Re: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Eric Christopherson < echristopher...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:15 PM, geneb wrote: > >> On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: >> >> Can someone please fix the mailing list software? This has been >>> reported every

Re: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:15 PM, geneb wrote: > On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > > Can someone please fix the mailing list software? This has been >> reported every once in a while by a bunch of people for over ten >> years. >> >> These are a just the last

Re: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: Can someone please fix the mailing list software? This has been reported every once in a while by a bunch of people for over ten years. These are a just the last bounces I got: Bounces aren't caused by the mailing list, they're caused by the

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Can someone please fix the mailing list software? This has been reported every once in a while by a bunch of people for over ten years. These are a just the last bounces I got: 20-Jan cctalk-request@classiccmp [78] confirm fd5d1f938a6c920c61c094802694d0194e87f1a4 25-Jan