Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-08-02 Thread ethan
No, Brad was not the founder of NewTek. He did do early designs of the Toaster. - John Derp! Checked, he built the first Video Toaster but not the company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Carvey Thanks for the correction! -- Ethan O'Toole

Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-08-01 Thread John Foust
At 05:13 PM 7/19/2016, et...@757.org wrote: >I'm sure you know the thing about Garth/Dana Carvey? Him mentioning the Unix >book in Waynes World was a nod to his brother, his brother founded NewTek the >company behind the Amiga video toaster and the current NewTek Tricaster stuff? No, Brad was no

Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-21 Thread ethan
The only ones worth using that I'm aware of are Scream Tracker and Impulse Tracker and neither was around in the 16 bit ISA days pre-386, IIRC. I doubt Scream Tracker would be able to function on a 286 anyhow. It puts a 486DX2/66 at about 50% CPU load, from my recollection. The Amiga trackers were

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-20 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/20/2016 05:59 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > Three phase power shows up in a bunch of places. Some high current > power supplies (pre switching era) use three phase input to increase > the ripple frequency and reduce its amplitude, which significantly > reduces the size of the required filter

Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-20 Thread Swift Griggs
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016, et...@757.org wrote: > Very cool! I'm a.d.d. a bit with hobbies. On the synth side I recently > picked up a Roland MT-32, so that was an achievement unlocked. Hope to > find an Oberheim Matrix 6 at some point. I'm not a keyboard guru like some on the list, but I've owned a R

Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-20 Thread ethan
I knew it! Piano, bass, violin, and guitar, here. I play them all badly but guitar a little less badly. I've been an amateur for about 10 years and I've been taking guitar lessons for about three years, now. Sax, eh? Cool. I've never tried a reed-based instrument. Very cool! I'm a.d.d. a bit wit

RE: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-20 Thread Swift Griggs
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Mark Green wrote: > I don't know a lot about data transmission, my main application is > display. Thanks anyway for the informed reply. Do you happen to know the best place to view large format holograms? I'm just looking for your personal opinion, since you seem to be in t

Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-20 Thread ethan
I wouldn't be doing that. I cited the cg6 by way of contrast. How the points get into the display hardware is still open, but a framebuffer seems unlikely to be involved. (I suppose a framebuffer with something like DVI-D could be used as a way to continuously replay sequences very fast, but it

Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-20 Thread Swift Griggs
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, et...@757.org wrote: > I live in Virginia but go to a number of events every year. I dabble > with music a little, have some synths and midi hardware (and of course > an Atari ST setup, and a luggable Pentium 200 with a SB/GUS and Voyetra > Sequencer!) Also dabble a little w

Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-20 Thread Paul Koning
> On Jul 20, 2016, at 9:12 AM, Mouse wrote: > >> As far as sending video from a computer frame buffer, I think it >> might be way too fast. > > I wouldn't be doing that. I cited the cg6 by way of contrast. How the > points get into the display hardware is still open, but a framebuffer > seems

Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-20 Thread Mouse
> As far as sending video from a computer frame buffer, I think it > might be way too fast. I wouldn't be doing that. I cited the cg6 by way of contrast. How the points get into the display hardware is still open, but a framebuffer seems unlikely to be involved. (I suppose a framebuffer with so

Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-20 Thread Paul Koning
> On Jul 19, 2016, at 4:58 PM, Wayne Sudol wrote: > > Laser technology to draw things like this is used in photo typesetters. A > laser beam is focused onto a thin (about 1/2" thick) many sided (about 8 > sides i think) spinning mirror. Each facet of the mirror is cut differently > to deflict t

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-20 Thread Paul Koning
> On Jul 19, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Greg Stark wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Mouse wrote: >> For example, I once had a neighbour who replaced an outlet in his >> kitchen. Turned off the breaker, removed the old one, put in the new >> one, all very nice. Turned the breaker for that ci

Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-19 Thread Wayne Sudol
Laser technology to draw things like this is used in photo typesetters. A laser beam is focused onto a thin (about 1/2" thick) many sided (about 8 sides i think) spinning mirror. Each facet of the mirror is cut differently to deflict the beam up, down or center it on a sheet of moving paper or a p

RE: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-19 Thread Mark Green
2016 6:04 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: RE: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)) On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Mark Green wrote: > In my day job I work on computational holography and other forms of &g

Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-19 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Mouse > my impression is that they're only for pre-prepared displays, and only > some displays (notably those that don't involve the beam turning any > sharp corners My vague recollection is that they could do pretty sharp corners, but it's been decades. IIRC, they were mu

Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-19 Thread Pete Turnbull
On 19/07/2016 21:46, Mouse wrote: You'd probably know, then - what's the fastest way to deflect a laser beam? In particular, I'm wondering how practical it might be to take a laser and turn it into a vector display Turning sharp corners is the hard part with mechanical deflectors like mirrors

Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-19 Thread ethan
Killer. I wish we were neighbors, Ethan. We'd be able to throw the most awesome block parties, I swear. I bet you are a musician, too. I live in Virginia but go to a number of events every year. I dabble with music a little, have some synths and midi hardware (and of course an Atari ST setup,

Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-19 Thread ethan
Yeah, me too, but my impression is that they're only for pre-prepared displays, and only some displays (notably those that don't involve the beam turning any sharp corners, such as Lissajous figures). My impression may, of course, have been - be - incorrect, which is what I'm asking for; if you've

RE: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-19 Thread Swift Griggs
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Mark Green wrote: > In my day job I work on computational holography and other forms of > esoteric 3D displays, so I can give you some insight in how these things > work. Holography is amazing. Do you know much about so-called "free space optical" data transmission? I worke

RE: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-19 Thread Mark Green
ge of colours you can produce. -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mouse Sent: July 19, 2016 4:47 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread Greg Stark
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Mouse wrote: > For example, I once had a neighbour who replaced an outlet in his > kitchen. Turned off the breaker, removed the old one, put in the new > one, all very nice. Turned the breaker for that circuit back on and > popped the service main breaker. Heh,

Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-19 Thread Mouse
>> You'd probably know, then - what's the fastest way to deflect a >> laser beam? In particular, I'm wondering how practical it might be >> to take a laser and turn it into a vector display on a handy blank >> wall [...] > What bandwidth (deflection rate) do you need? Full scale in a > microsecon

Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-19 Thread jim stephens
On 7/19/2016 1:22 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: Those have been around for decades - I recall seeing them used to draw things on the sides of building,_many_ moons ago. I know that the pen motors from Brush recorders were used eons ago. They have frequency response that is very high, and if you had

Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-19 Thread Mouse
>> I'm wondering how practical it might be to take a laser and turn it >> into a vector display on a handy blank wall > Those have been around for decades - I recall seeing them used to > draw things on the sides of building, _many_ moons ago. Yeah, me too, but my impression is that they're only f

Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-19 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Mouse > I'm wondering how practical it might be to take a laser and turn it > into a vector display on a handy blank wall Those have been around for decades - I recall seeing them used to draw things on the sides of building, _many_ moons ago. I'm assuming they bounce the beam

Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-19 Thread Paul Koning
> On Jul 19, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Mouse wrote: > >>> Light show hobby. > > You'd probably know, then - what's the fastest way to deflect a laser > beam? In particular, I'm wondering how practical it might be to take a > laser and turn it into a vector display on a handy blank wall - but > that re

Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-19 Thread Swift Griggs
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Mouse wrote: > You'd probably know, then - what's the fastest way to deflect a laser > beam? Whoa. Interesting problem since a photon carries no charge and thus you can't horizontally or vertically deflect it with a magnetic field. I guess that's why folks make things like

Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-19 Thread Karl-Wilhelm Wacker
, at right angles, would give you X/Y deflection. Karl - Original Message - From: "Mouse" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 4:02 PM Subject: Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)) Light show hobby

Re: LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-19 Thread Mouse
>> Light show hobby. You'd probably know, then - what's the fastest way to deflect a laser beam? In particular, I'm wondering how practical it might be to take a laser and turn it into a vector display on a handy blank wall - but that requires some very fast acceleration of the spot, probably fas

LASERS! && Freemont Street LED array (was Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now))

2016-07-19 Thread Swift Griggs
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, et...@757.org wrote: > Light show hobby. Inspired by the Def Leppard music video "Pour some > sugar on me." Killer. I wish we were neighbors, Ethan. We'd be able to throw the most awesome block parties, I swear. I bet you are a musician, too. > Everything is from China and

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread Swift Griggs
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Paul Koning wrote: > I wouldn't run my $100 little VFC in production, but I expect that the > more expensive ones from serious companies like Yaskawa or Allen-Bradley > will do just fine. I forgot about those. I think you are right. I've seen what I believe to be massive VC

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread ethan
I haven't been able to articulate anything witty, but I'll go ahead and just say: Ethan I don't know what you do with those BF-lasers, but it sounds damn awesome, anyway. Your stock just went up. It's hard to make lasers anything but sci-fi radical coolness. Light show hobby. Inspired by the Def

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread Jon Elson
On 07/19/2016 01:41 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: 3-phase comes in "delta" or "Wye"("Y") some installers don't know the difference! I experienced TWO misdone installations. One was an auto garage, and resulted in high voltage to the 110 outlets, damaging a bunch of minor stuff, such as grinder, spa

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/19/2016 11:08 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > The expense of a new service for 3 phase is one issue; it may not be > available at all. A lot of US rural areas have a single wire > running along the street. The only way you could get 3 phase service > is for the utility to replace that by 3 wires

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread Dale H. Cook
At 02:41 PM 7/19/2016, Fred Cisin wrote: > and resulted in high voltage to the 110 outlets, damaging a bunch of minor > stuff, such as grinder, space heater, clock, etc. Obviously a delta with a high (aka "wild") leg. Dale H. Cook, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA Osborne 1 / Kaypro 4-84 / Kaypro 1 / Amst

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread Fred Cisin
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Paul Koning wrote: Anything powered by electric motor above 2 hp or so often comes in 3 phase, and when you get to somewhat higher power (5 hp or so) it seems to be about the only option. Lathes and milling machines are good examples. and air compressors in automotive sh

Wiring Regulations. RE: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread Dave G4UGM
In the UK we have, for DOMESTIC premises something call "Part P" > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mouse > Sent: 19 July 2016 17:47 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Strai

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread Paul Koning
> On Jul 19, 2016, at 2:04 PM, Swift Griggs wrote: > > ... and as I mentioned before, they can break. So, even if your VCF will > handle the load, your uptime requirement might be a dealbreaker if you > have commercial intentions. I wonder, though. In modern machinery, a whole lot of them ar

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread Paul Koning
> On Jul 19, 2016, at 1:51 PM, et...@757.org wrote: > > ... > I've heard sometimes the utility will indeed give you 3phase but you have to > pay them to replace the transformer and it's very very expensive. Normally > it's people buying used milling equipment that are after it from my > experi

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread Swift Griggs
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, et...@757.org wrote: > The Cray is single phase, the only thing I've ever owned that was 3 > phase was the laser stuff. Now my solid state laser projector uses 100 > watts and producsed half the power of the argon that used to take 3ph @ > 30A (and still tripped the breaker

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread JP Hindin
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, et...@757.org wrote: The Cray uses 5 x Pioneer magnetics power supplies that I believe are identical to those in the Sun E1. The smaller rack with the VME chassis and hard drives -- good chance the power supplies are okay with 110/120v. The disk trays at least are jus

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread ethan
Right... and in my area (hardly unique, I'd wager), you cannot get 3-phase in residential areas. The shared transformers on the poles don't provide it and you can't pay them to add/change a transformer. You have to be in a commercial area to get that. Fortunately for me, my tastes in minicompute

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread Swift Griggs
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Paul Koning wrote: > Yes, and time dependent as well. I grew up in Holland; in the 1970s, we > had 3 phase in our house because we had an electric cooking range. As you probably know, that's not usual the setup in North America, even for folks with electric ranges. > In th

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread Swift Griggs
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Paul Koning wrote: > It all depends on what you're comfortable with. My original point was that it's not trivial. I'd stand by that point no matter how comfortable someone is with the install. Of course, even that is subjective, I suppose. If you have tons of time, money, an

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread Paul Koning
> On Jul 19, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Mouse wrote: > >> [...], especially since most electrical installations (even domestic) >> are 3-phase. > > This, I believe, must be location-specific. In North America, it is > usual for domestic electrical feeds to be only two-phase (that is, they > are the tw

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Mouse wrote: >> [...], especially since most electrical installations (even domestic) >> are 3-phase. > > This, I believe, must be location-specific. In North America, it is > usual for domestic electrical feeds to be only two-phase (that is, they > are the two s

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread Mouse
> [...], especially since most electrical installations (even domestic) > are 3-phase. This, I believe, must be location-specific. In North America, it is usual for domestic electrical feeds to be only two-phase (that is, they are the two sides of a centre-tapped secondary - the two hot wires are

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread Christian Corti
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Swift Griggs wrote: The photo of that unit is entertaining. Whoever buys it will need to setup 3x 30A 220v outlets. That's going to make some licensed electrician very happy. Why? 32A 3-phase CEE connectors (the red ones) are very common, especially since most electrical i

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread Mouse
>> [...electrical wiring...] > This very definitely is an area where, if you're not 100% comfortable with t$ Also, know your own limits. A depressing number of people think they're more competent than they are. For example, I once had a neighbour who replaced an outlet in his kitchen. Turned of

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/19/2016 08:29 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > Or hobbyist. It's pretty trivial, after all. If you live in a state > where that's not allowed, that would be an issue. But in NH, for > example, homeowners can do their own electrical work. I wouldn't do > work on the meter box or other always-live

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread ethan
The other thing that's not trivial is that if you make a mistake, you will likely either: 1. Die. 2. Burn down your house. 3. Ruin some expensive and rare gear. To me, that all sounds like a helluva pain and != trivial. Then again, I'm a software guy. What do I know? :-P Some fun pics: https://

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread Paul Koning
> On Jul 19, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Swift Griggs wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Paul Koning wrote: >>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Swift Griggs wrote: >>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, et...@757.org wrote: Hmp. Well the Cray J932SE on there is legit :-) >>> The photo of that unit is entertaining. Wh

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread Swift Griggs
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Paul Koning wrote: > > On Jul 19, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Swift Griggs wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, et...@757.org wrote: > >> Hmp. Well the Cray J932SE on there is legit :-) > > The photo of that unit is entertaining. Whoever buys it will need to setup > > 3x 30A 220v outlets.

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread Paul Koning
> On Jul 19, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Swift Griggs wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, et...@757.org wrote: >> Hmp. Well the Cray J932SE on there is legit :-) > > The photo of that unit is entertaining. Whoever buys it will need to setup > 3x 30A 220v outlets. That's going to make some licensed electric

Re: Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread ethan
The photo of that unit is entertaining. Whoever buys it will need to setup 3x 30A 220v outlets. That's going to make some licensed electrician very happy. At the old small office I would just pop some breakers out and replace them with 2 pole 30 amp ones. When it was at the hackerspace there wa

Cray J932SE (was Re: Straight 8 up on Ebay just now)

2016-07-19 Thread Swift Griggs
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, et...@757.org wrote: > Hmp. Well the Cray J932SE on there is legit :-) The photo of that unit is entertaining. Whoever buys it will need to setup 3x 30A 220v outlets. That's going to make some licensed electrician very happy. I worked with a Cray for a while of about the s