Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

>> To name three real uses I've made of [telnet] recently: [...] > You might find netcat useful. Not sure if/which distribution has it > by default. "Distribution"? Are you assuming I run Linux? (I don't, not on my own machines. The Pi 3 was for work.) I have a netcat, one of my own writing.

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 02:13:33PM -0400, Mouse wrote: > > To name three real uses I've made of it recently: to check what a > remote sshd banners as, to check what an RFB server banners as, and (in > conjunction with script(1) to capture the output of a one-off server > set up to transfer a text

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

> So unless there was only a single *nix machine on campus there would > be NFS. When I was a University of California student, the news spool and (depending on the system) the mail spool were both NFS mounts on the system I used -- sdcc12 and sdcc13/17, respectively, for any other UCSD students

Re: Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]

On Wed, 14 Sep 2016, Rich Alderson wrote: If you want to change a subject please start a new thread, and if you wish you can give the new thread a subject line such as "New Subject (was Old Subject)" to reflect its origin. Actually, Mr. Cook, the standard for the last 35 years or so has been

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

On 14 September 2016 at 19:12, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: > Cool. I was a big fan of running Netware over Token Ring. But remember > eventually > just getting crushed by cheap and easier to install ethernet. One of my > main clients at > the time was on 4mb Token, and we were

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

On 14 September 2016 at 18:15, tony duell wrote: >> > * LittleBigLAN(never heard of or saw) >> > * The $25 Network (never heard of or saw) >> >> Odd... They were sold in the UK as being American imports... > > Dare I suggest that perhaps they flopped in the states so

Re: Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]

On 15 September 2016 at 01:28, Rich Alderson wrote: > Any decent newsreader or threading mail > reader knows how to deal with that, and threading is unbroken. Would that this were true. Of course, many would say that Gmail is not a decent MUA; however, it's the

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 15 September 2016 at 11:43, Liam Proven wrote: > On 15 September 2016 at 09:30, Tor Arntsen wrote: >> A bit like not noticing >> that the USB stick runs Linux.. which happens. > > Er. Explain? How can a dumb storage device run any OS? > > I have various

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 15 September 2016 at 09:30, Tor Arntsen wrote: > I still find it very strange. Yes, that was the point of my post! > So unless there was only a single *nix machine Virtually every *nix deployment I have ever worked upon, yes, the was one, single *nix machine in the

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 14 September 2016 at 16:51, Liam Proven wrote: > On 14 September 2016 at 15:59, Tor Arntsen wrote: >> On 14 September 2016 at 15:50, Liam Proven wrote: >> >>> To this day, I have never once used any form of NFS or ever seen it in use.

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

Re: Tacky Ring (what we used to call it) vs Enet. IIRC one of the issues going forward with TR was that it was mostly an IBM design (patented?) and the prices of TR chips available to card manufacturers was pretty high. This was around 1988. I think that the reason for the high cost was that

Re: Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > Not the standard, but a convention. > > The standard is documented in RFC 5322 section 3.6.4 (and dates back to > RFC822). I think you may mean RFC 5322 section 3.6.5, which does give a "MAY" suggestion for the use of

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

Banyan Vines - did LOTS of Banyan stuff from the military. Thousands of end users. Great stuff, but Banyan had no more product marketing skills than IBM did with OS/2. The Banyan NOS stuff ran on top of a SysV Release III Unix if I remember correctly. Its been a while. ARCnet - saw some

Re: Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]

Actually, Mr. Cook, the standard for the last 35 years or so has been to change the subject line, with the old subject in SQUARE BRACKETS with the characters "was: " prepended. Not the standard, but a convention. The standard is documented in RFC 5322 section 3.6.4 (and dates back to RFC822).

changing Subject header in thread [was Re: Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]]

Rich Alderson wrote: > Actually, Mr. Cook, the standard for the last 35 years or so has been to > change the subject line, with the old subject in SQUARE BRACKETS with the > characters "was: " prepended. Any decent newsreader or threading mail > reader knows how to deal with that, and threading

Ill-considered complaints [was: RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))]

From: Dale H. Cook Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 9:52 AM > Please do not change the subject line in a thread. The subject line of > this thread has been changed twice since it began as "68K Macs with MacOS > 7.5 still in production use..." When you change a subject line the header >

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Ryan K. Brooks wrote: > See Also RedHat and CentOS.No telnet, netstat, etc. And Fedora (also in RH family). Not having telnet never bothered me because "yum install telnet" (now "dnf install telnet") is obvious enough, but for netstat,

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

Earliest networking? Not telco lines, but hardwired stuff. I recall that in 1974/75 I was making one of my trips to Control Data Arden Hills and noticed a backhoe at work digging a trench around the employee's parking lot in back of the main building. I asked what was going on and was told that

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 09/14/2016 09:24 AM, Tapley, Mark wrote: > (circling back a bit) Al recommended Fetch; I concur. It was my > long-term favorite, from MacOS 6.0.8 or earlier onward. Apparently, > it is still available from the author: Thanks, Mark. I also seem to remember reading about "Transmit":

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

On 9/14/2016 11:04 AM, william degnan wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:56 AM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: I too started in 1988, doing the same kind of work (mid-Atlantic region, USA), same number and types of places. Just to compare: * Banyan VINES(never saw) *

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

At 11:56 AM 9/14/2016, js wrote: >On 9/14/2016 8:50 AM, Liam Proven wrote: >>On 14 September 2016 at 03:08, Chuck Guzis wrote: Folks - Please do not change the subject line in a thread. The subject line of this thread has been changed twice since it began as "68K Macs with

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

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Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

Chuck, (circling back a bit) Al recommended Fetch; I concur. It was my long-term favorite, from MacOS 6.0.8 or earlier onward. Apparently, it is still available from the author: https://fetchsoftworks.com/ But licenses are now $29. It is still possible according to the

RE: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

> > * LittleBigLAN(never heard of or saw) > > * The $25 Network (never heard of or saw) > > Odd... They were sold in the UK as being American imports... Dare I suggest that perhaps they flopped in the states so they tried to flog them to us :-) > I never saw CP/M networked in my life.

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

On 14 September 2016 at 17:56, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: > I too started in 1988, doing the same kind of work (mid-Atlantic region, > USA), same number and types of places. Just to compare: > > * Banyan VINES(never saw) > * Corvus (saw once) > * ARCnet (saw

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:56 AM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: > > > > I too started in 1988, doing the same kind of work (mid-Atlantic region, > USA), same number and types of places. Just to compare: > > * Banyan VINES(never saw) > * Corvus (saw once) > * ARCnet

Re: early networking (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

On 9/14/2016 8:50 AM, Liam Proven wrote: On 14 September 2016 at 03:08, Chuck Guzis wrote: There were networking packages for the PC early on. Remember Banyan? They date from 1985. Corvus? Even Datapoint had an ARCnet facility for PCs in 1984. Quite a few vendors had

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 14 September 2016 at 15:59, Tor Arntsen wrote: > On 14 September 2016 at 15:50, Liam Proven wrote: > >> To this day, I have never once used any form of NFS or ever seen it in use. > > A typo, I presume? NFS, as in Network File System? > > Used, for

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 14 September 2016 at 15:50, Liam Proven wrote: > To this day, I have never once used any form of NFS or ever seen it in use. A typo, I presume? NFS, as in Network File System? Used, for example, everywhere where Sun boxes were installed, for our (European) company that

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 14 September 2016 at 03:08, Chuck Guzis wrote: > CP/Net. I don't know if Novell ever deployed their RS-422 networking > with CP/M-86 however. > > There were networking packages for the PC early on. Remember Banyan? > They date from 1985. Corvus? Even Datapoint had an

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 01:40:40AM +0200, Liam Proven wrote: > Stupid question: it's not called ``perl5'' or something now, as Perl 6 > is *finally* out? About a zillion lines of software expect it to be called "perl". And perl6 has been imminent for ... some time. FreeBSD shows 5394 ports

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:48:00AM +0200, Stefan Skoglund (lokal användare) wrote: > I dislike very much the removal of perl from the default install. Yeah, well ... about that :-( I understand the reasoning behind it. At one time FreeBSD had perl in the base. The problem was the support

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 09:29:30AM +0200, Peter Corlett wrote: > Never mind that trying to get their alleged "support" to actually fix > anything is like pissing into the wind. As opposed to major vendors such as Microsoft and Oracle? ;-) mcl

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 12:44:39PM -0500, Ryan K. Brooks wrote: [...] > Are ifconfig, netstat, traceroute, et al really insecure? No, they're "legacy", i.e. do not support DeadRat's aims of creating an inscrutable proprietary platform where one is more or less compelled to buy a support contract

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 09/13/2016 04:45 PM, Liam Proven wrote: > Did CP/M-86 have networking? I remember it being an expensive, fiddly > add-on for CDOS years later, and not very flexible then. I don't think > the UCSD p-System networked at all, and DOS didn't for a long time. > Only after the advent of WfWg did MS

Re: Terminal ROMs/kbds (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

- Original Message - From: "Al Kossow" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 7:41 PM Subject: Re: Terminal ROMs/kbds (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)) > > > On 9/13/16 4:30 PM, Mike Stein wrote:

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 13 September 2016 at 20:58, Chuck Guzis wrote: > On 09/13/2016 11:12 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > >> OK, but are we talking MacOS or Mac OS X here? > > As I said, Mac OS 9.2. I'm not interested for my G3 to talk to other > Macs--the only other one here is a Performa 6100 running

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 14 September 2016 at 00:48, Stefan Skoglund (lokal användare) wrote: > I dislike very much the removal of perl from the default install. I didn't know about that. It does surprise me. Stupid question: it's not called ``perl5'' or something now, as Perl 6 is *finally*

Re: Terminal ROMs/kbds (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

On 9/13/16 4:30 PM, Mike Stein wrote: > How about Falco? I've got four or five different models/versions here; do you > want me to dump the ROMs? Doesn't seem to be much interest in Falcos but I > guess I really should scan the docs one day anyway.. > > They also used 4-conductor

Terminal ROMs/kbds (was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...))

- Original Message - From: "Al Kossow" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 12:34 PM Subject: Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...) > > > On 9/13/16 9:25 AM, Mark J. Blair wrote: > >> If you are not

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 09/13/2016 03:13 PM, Al Kossow wrote: > Like you said, a lot of sunk costs for very few sales. Around 1984, we leased a VAX 11/750 running BSD with the understanding from the lessor that the desired configuration was to support HASP via a Bell 209 modem and leased-line. We got the leased

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

tis 2016-09-13 klockan 10:43 -0700 skrev Chuck Guzis: > > Heh, the first message that I got after I changed the PRAM battery and > booted MacOS was that the system time didn't match the NTP time within > reasonable limits. But there the oddity hit--if I wanted to get rid of > the message, I had

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

tis 2016-09-13 klockan 19:31 +0200 skrev Liam Proven: > On 13 September 2016 at 18:53, Ryan K. Brooks wrote: > > See Also RedHat and CentOS.No telnet, netstat, etc. > > My lack of fannish enthusiasm for the RH family of Linuxes got me > fired from Red Hat. > > Nonetheless,

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 9/13/16 3:08 PM, jim stephens wrote: > There is also the LU stuff that went on on SNA, which is a big steaming pile, > and very few ever got that to work other > than IBM. I worked with the guy who did the Nubus token ring card. He originally used the TI chip set, then had to switch to

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 9/13/2016 2:55 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 09/13/2016 01:05 PM, Chris Hanson wrote: Apple had a package available with SNA support in the late 1980s, along with the NuBus token ring card. I think there was also a DECnet package. And MacTCP was available early on, too. Does bisync and

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

There were nubus IRMA cards for 3270 fans http://www.ebay.com/itm/290443334905 and the Apple Cluster Controller http://bitsavers.org/pdf/apple/brochures/Apple_Cluster_Controller_and_Appleline_Sales_Reference_Guide_Jul84.pdf I'm sure these were checkbox items. There was a push in the late 80's

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 09/13/2016 01:05 PM, Chris Hanson wrote: > Apple had a package available with SNA support in the late 1980s, > along with the NuBus token ring card. I think there was also a DECnet > package. And MacTCP was available early on, too. Does bisync and HASP, does it? --Chuck

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On Sep 13, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > On 09/13/2016 12:15 PM, Brendan Shanks wrote: > >> There was SNAps: > > And it only took them until 1993! Apple had a package available with SNA support in the late 1980s, along with the NuBus token ring card. I think

Re: No telnet! omg! What do I do? - Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

Boy are you going to get a shock when you start using containers for deployment. --Toby (who doesn't understand why it's such a big deal to install 1 package for telnet client) I get that none of thius applies to modern devops, but sometimes crap goes wrong, or you're working on a host

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 09/13/2016 12:15 PM, Brendan Shanks wrote: > There was SNAps: > > http://imap.parismoveis.com/index.pl/S0/http/www.thefreelibrary.com/APPLE+SHIPS+SNA.PS+5250+TERMINAL+EMULATOR+FOR+IBM+AS=252F400+SYSTEMS-a013177363 > > >

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 9/13/2016 10:00 AM, Al Kossow wrote: On 9/13/16 9:53 AM, Ryan K. Brooks wrote: See Also RedHat and CentOS.No telnet, netstat, etc. csh though in the modern world I can see why clear text protocols aren't shipped out of the box They can be added, and it was only after quite a long

No telnet! omg! What do I do? - Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 2016-09-13 1:44 PM, Ryan K. Brooks wrote: On 9/13/16 12:31 PM, Liam Proven wrote: On 13 September 2016 at 18:53, Ryan K. Brooks wrote: See Also RedHat and CentOS.No telnet, netstat, etc. My lack of fannish enthusiasm for the RH family of Linuxes got me fired from Red

Re: Telnet was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

I am well aware.. However not everything has netcat. But many things have a simple telnet client. On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Sean Conner wrote: > It was thus said that the Great Christian Liendo once stated: >> Agree. It's quite easy to telnet to a port to see if you get a

Custom mechanical keyboard PCB - Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 2016-09-13 12:25 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote: On Sep 13, 2016, at 09:16, Al Kossow wrote: Unfortunately, the guys building new Cherry keyboards fabricate new keytops for Windows extended keyboards, and not ASCII (ie. VT-100 style) or ANSI (VT-220 style) so unless you want

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

> On Sep 13, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > But isn't that typical of the Apple Way? Right from the start, there > were tools and hardware for the 5150 to talk to the rest of the world. > Apple just kept to their own little community--or did I miss the >

Re: Telnet was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

It was thus said that the Great Christian Liendo once stated: > Agree. It's quite easy to telnet to a port to see if you get a response. > Do it a lot. The kids are using nc (netcat) these days. It supports both TCP and UDP. -spc

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 09/13/2016 11:12 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > OK, but are we talking MacOS or Mac OS X here? As I said, Mac OS 9.2. I'm not interested for my G3 to talk to other Macs--the only other one here is a Performa 6100 running OS 7.mumble. > That's why MachTen and so on existed -- to make classic Mac

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 09/13/2016 11:26 AM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > Actually, most of my systems on *this* isolated intranet run a > telnetd. It's inward facing, of course, but there's no reason for > encryption on this network when I'm the sole user. Exactly so--I'm interested in communication between local

Telnet was Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

Agree. It's quite easy to telnet to a port to see if you get a response. Do it a lot. > Are ifconfig, netstat, traceroute, et al really insecure?(Maybe a case > could be made for traceroute) These types of changes to the core of > userland are epic dumb IMHO. Telnet is very useful for

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

> > But what I originally stated still holds. Perhaps you don't have > > plain-text ftp and telnet, but you have the ssh equivalents, > > There is no ssh equivalent to telnet (the command). It sounds to me as > though you are thinking of telnet, the command, as nothing but an > interface to

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

> >> See Also RedHat and CentOS.No telnet, netstat, etc. > > csh > > Possibly. I find sh more usable than stock csh, though shells are > almost as personal an issue as keyboards or editors. I end up building tcsh on just about any new system I bring up. I've just expected it won't be there.

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 13 September 2016 at 19:44, Ryan K. Brooks wrote: > Are ifconfig, netstat, traceroute, et al really insecure? Well, OK, no, not that I know of! > (Maybe a case > could be made for traceroute) Wouldn't know. But AIUI the new ``ip'' command subsumes a lot of this stuff. I'm

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

>> See Also RedHat and CentOS.No telnet, netstat, etc. > csh Possibly. I find sh more usable than stock csh, though shells are almost as personal an issue as keyboards or editors. > though in the modern world I can see why clear text protocols aren't > shipped out of the box If you think

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 13 September 2016 at 19:50, Chuck Guzis wrote: > But what I originally stated still holds. Perhaps you don't have > plain-text ftp and telnet, but you have the ssh equivalents, so at least > you have *something* to get the job done. Mac OS gave me nothing for > doing

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 09/13/2016 10:31 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > Nonetheless, their willingness to remove old, insecure legacy stuff > from the OS so that users are encouraged to get with the programme > and move on to modern modern equivalents -- ssh, the ip command, > whatever -- is something I strongly approve

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 9/13/16 12:31 PM, Liam Proven wrote: On 13 September 2016 at 18:53, Ryan K. Brooks wrote: See Also RedHat and CentOS.No telnet, netstat, etc. My lack of fannish enthusiasm for the RH family of Linuxes got me fired from Red Hat. Nonetheless, their willingness to remove

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 09/13/2016 09:58 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > yea.. another project. Getting an Apple 20 pin drive working with a > flux transition reader. Not that much of an issue--after all, the old CopyIIPC deluxe option board came with a bunch of 400K/800K Mac utilities and uses standard drives. I might

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 13 September 2016 at 18:16, Al Kossow wrote: > This posting must have been trapped in a time warp since 1996 :-) Well, it's true, I was amassing collection since then. I have, I think, enough Apple, IBM and DEC keyboards to last my lifetime. I tried to adapt to the Sun

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 13 September 2016 at 18:58, Al Kossow wrote: > I would be very surprised if much effort was put into making floppies work > under OS X As far as I know, legacy floppies on a SWIM or whatever are not and never have been supported at all. However, USB floppies work fine --

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 13 September 2016 at 18:51, Mouse wrote: > That was my reaction when I found Raspbian (the Debian variant a Pi 3 > that $WORK bought came with) lacked telnet. Because it's insecure. OpenSSH is the recommendation these days. But if you need it, it's trivial to add

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 13 September 2016 at 18:53, Ryan K. Brooks wrote: > See Also RedHat and CentOS.No telnet, netstat, etc. My lack of fannish enthusiasm for the RH family of Linuxes got me fired from Red Hat. Nonetheless, their willingness to remove old, insecure legacy stuff from the OS so

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

> > After struggling with trying to find a good ftp facility for OS 9 > > As someone else mentioned, Fetch works pretty well. > > I had just been using Appleshare until I switched to an Intel based > server which no longer supports the old protocol. I keep a Sawtooth G4 running 10.4 for file

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 9/13/16 11:51 AM, Mouse wrote: What initially stunned me is how any vendor who supplied TCP/IP networking could fail to include ftp and telnet as a standard part of the package, [...] That was my reaction when I found Raspbian (the Debian variant a Pi 3 that $WORK bought came with) lacked

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

It may have gotten lost in the pre-move chaos. I just pinged him about it again. On 9/13/16 9:36 AM, Glen Slick wrote: > On Sep 13, 2016 9:16 AM, "Al Kossow" wrote: >> >> I've been working on archiving documentation and firmware from > microprocessor >> based CRT terminals

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

> What initially stunned me is how any vendor who supplied TCP/IP > networking could fail to include ftp and telnet as a standard part of > the package, [...] That was my reaction when I found Raspbian (the Debian variant a Pi 3 that $WORK bought came with) lacked telnet. /~\ The ASCII

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On 09/13/2016 09:19 AM, Al Kossow wrote: >> After struggling with trying to find a good ftp facility for OS 9 > > As someone else mentioned, Fetch works pretty well. After I'd done the job, I found out that MacSSH is available at SourceForge. What initially stunned me is how any vendor who

Re: G4 cube (was Re: 68K Macs with MacOS 7.5 still in production use...)

On Sep 13, 2016 9:16 AM, "Al Kossow" wrote: > > I've been working on archiving documentation and firmware from microprocessor > based CRT terminals for a couple of months, since I realized they are disappearing > the same way CRT monitors have. Did you ever get any Motorola

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On 9/13/16 9:25 AM, Mark J. Blair wrote: > If you are not opposed to making a custom PCB to stuff with Cherry MX > keyswitches, then you have a lot of freedom. True enough. I have even bought some switches and non so great Cherry keyboards to harvest keytops. About 10 WY-30 keyboards in

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> On Sep 13, 2016, at 09:16, Al Kossow wrote: > > Unfortunately, the guys building new Cherry keyboards fabricate new keytops > for > Windows extended keyboards, and not ASCII (ie. VT-100 style) or ANSI (VT-220 > style) > so unless you want to spring the cash to have 500

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On 9/12/16 11:35 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > After struggling with trying to find a good ftp facility for OS 9 As someone else mentioned, Fetch works pretty well. I had just been using Appleshare until I switched to an Intel based server which no longer supports the old protocol. There was a

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On 9/13/16 6:19 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > One of the great things about vintage mechanical keyboards is that > they can be acquired very cheaply indeed. ;-) > This posting must have been trapped in a time warp since 1996 :-) I've been working on archiving documentation and firmware from

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On 13 September 2016 at 02:32, Richard Loken wrote: > My Mac Mini has been treated to new modern keyboard purchased at rediculous > expense upon the recommendation of my long time friend G.L.Nerenberg II. > And it says underneath "WASD Model: V2 Type: Cherry MX Green". It is >

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On 09/12/2016 02:10 PM, Richard Loken wrote: > And now they have the mac pro which looks like a very elegant > $3,000.00 can of tomato juice. Not much changes. > > Meanwhile, I am on my second mac Mini (third if you count my wife's) > because i really like the mac mini so I probably would

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I remember my wife spending hours playing BUGDOM on it … George > On Sep 12, 2016, at 1:15 PM, Al Kossow wrote: > > Put it this way. The product manager for the cube was the first person > I know of who had one as a kleenex dispenser. It was a failed industrial > design

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Mark, I strongly support the addition of Oscar to your Mac Pro. -- Richard Loken VE6BSV, Systems Programmer - VMS : "...underneath those Athabasca University : tuques we wear, our Athabasca, Alberta Canada: heads are naked!" **

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On Tue, 13 Sep 2016, Liam Proven wrote: Whereas my Mac mini has 3rd party RAM and both an SSD and an HD (upgrades from a Toshiba desktop-replacement notebook that the Mac replaced) on a 3rd party bracket, and I'm using a Dell 5-button mouse and an Apple Extended keyboard from '97 or so, on a

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On 13 September 2016 at 01:21, Fred Cisin wrote: > > well, . . . > you should put a microphone into an old mouse, and start designing > transparent aluminum panels. Heh. :-) It's rather odd. I have, or have had, a number of hobbies over the years, and most have been odd

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On Tue, 13 Sep 2016, Liam Proven wrote: And with the original '80s keyboard, it _feels_ (and sounds) like a proper (i.e. '80s) Mac when I'm typing on it. :-) well, . . . you should put a microphone into an old mouse, and start designing transparent aluminum panels.

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On 12 September 2016 at 23:10, Richard Loken wrote: > Meanwhile, I am on my second mac Mini Actually, now that you come to mention it, so am I. I had -- have -- a G4 as well as the Core i5 I'm typing on. It was never my main machine, though. The thing I like about the minis,

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Why in your opinion was it a failed experiment? I had one and liked it very much. - J. On 9/12/2016 3:15 PM, Al Kossow wrote: Put it this way. The product manager for the cube was the first person I know of who had one as a kleenex dispenser. It was a failed industrial design experiment

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> On Sep 12, 2016, at 14:10 , Richard Loken wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Sep 2016, Al Kossow wrote: > >> Put it this way. The product manager for the cube was the first person >> I know of who had one as a kleenex dispenser. It was a failed industrial >> design experiment that

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On Mon, 12 Sep 2016, Al Kossow wrote: Put it this way. The product manager for the cube was the first person I know of who had one as a kleenex dispenser. It was a failed industrial design experiment that never should have shipped and even he felt that way. And now they have the mac pro which

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Put it this way. The product manager for the cube was the first person I know of who had one as a kleenex dispenser. It was a failed industrial design experiment that never should have shipped and even he felt that way. On 9/12/16 11:39 AM, Geoffrey Oltmans wrote: > On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 11:32

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On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > > > > > > > They make nice Kleenex dispensers. > > > > > > http://www.cultofmac.com/62678/diy-powermac-g4-cube-tissue-dispenser/ > > > Why, why, why? sheesh.

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On 9/12/16 9:30 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > > > On 9/11/16 11:23 PM, Brad H wrote: >> >> >> Definitely want one for my collection. Probably not too expensive now. >> > > They make nice Kleenex dispensers. > > http://www.cultofmac.com/62678/diy-powermac-g4-cube-tissue-dispenser/

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On 9/11/16 11:23 PM, Brad H wrote: > > > Definitely want one for my collection. Probably not too expensive now. > They make nice Kleenex dispensers.