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'telnet ? that is very much indeed useful if someone wants to run a pure old school desktop while managing !' He he... Of course it should be said that that old gear using Telnet shouldn't be connected to the wider internet. It's kind of funny when a kid in Sydney discovers he can turn off a

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lör 2020-03-21 klockan 14:44 + skrev Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk: > On Sat, 21 Mar 2020, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: > > > > Not a question for me, but for the record I have used a WTI > > > remote site > > > manager, essentially a combined power distribution and terminal > > > server > > >

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On 2020-03-10 09:47, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:   >> Like all large US corporations they are dollar driven > > Any business that is not dollar driven will soon be out of business. > Making money is what businesses do.  Sadly, that seems to be another > idea that has fallen by the wayside

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> > > Out of interest, what controllable power plugs (sockets?) are you using? > > > > Not a question for me, but for the record I have used a WTI remote site > > manager, essentially a combined power distribution and terminal server > > unit, for 5 years now. > > That's this product line,

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On Sat, 21 Mar 2020, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: > > Not a question for me, but for the record I have used a WTI remote site > > manager, essentially a combined power distribution and terminal server > > unit, for 5 years now. > > That's this product line, itn's it? > >

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On Sat, 2020-03-21 00:21:16 +, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: > On Fri, 20 Mar 2020, Rob Jarratt wrote: > > > > Actually, I'm searching (more active than ever) for a proper location to > > > put all > > > of my hardware to. I already have shelves, controllable power plugs, and > > > just > > >

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On Fri, 2020-03-20 22:58:35 -, Rob Jarratt wrote: > > Actually, I'm searching (more active than ever) for a proper location to > > put all > > of my hardware to. I already have shelves, controllable power plugs, and > > just > > today an EPROM reader/writer arrived. Though I'm unsure (to

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On Fri, 20 Mar 2020, Rob Jarratt wrote: > > Actually, I'm searching (more active than ever) for a proper location to > > put all > > of my hardware to. I already have shelves, controllable power plugs, and > > just > > today an EPROM reader/writer arrived. Though I'm unsure (to use fair > >

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On 20/03/2020 21:28, Jan-Benedict Glaw via cctalk wrote: Hi Maciej! Long time no see! On Fri, 2020-03-20 17:36:25 +, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: On Tue, 10 Mar 2020, Jan-Benedict Glaw via cctalk wrote: Linux and/or NetBSD/vax would be a good choice, though, to implement the VAX's system

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> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Jan-Benedict Glaw > via cctalk > Sent: 20 March 2020 21:29 > To: Maciej W. Rozycki > Cc: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts ; > Peter Corlett > Subject: Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program i

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Hi Maciej! Long time no see! On Fri, 2020-03-20 17:36:25 +, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: > On Tue, 10 Mar 2020, Jan-Benedict Glaw via cctalk wrote: > > > Linux and/or NetBSD/vax would be a good choice, though, to implement the > > > VAX's system calls and execute it's binaries. Though there

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On Tue, 10 Mar 2020, Jan-Benedict Glaw via cctalk wrote: > > Linux and/or NetBSD/vax would be a good choice, though, to implement the > > VAX's system calls and execute it's binaries. Though there were more > > concerted efforts to do this years ago, but I don't know what became of > > them.

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On 3/13/2020 10:30 PM, Tapley, Mark B. via cctalk wrote: On Mar 10, 2020, at 7:59 PM, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote: [EXTERNAL EMAIL] On 3/10/2020 1:17 PM, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: I really liked the idea of running VMS on simh (and learning some more skills), even if I had to

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> On Mar 10, 2020, at 7:59 PM, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk > wrote: > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] > > On 3/10/2020 1:17 PM, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: >> I really liked the idea of running VMS on simh (and learning some more >> skills), even if I had to register online. But when I looked, it >>

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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 08:08:43AM -0700, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > > Years ago us SGI hobbyists were able to talk to SGI about this and a huge > > problem SGI had with any kind of hobbyist > > license for IRIX or turning it free is it's fully of licensed 3rd party > > stuff. But maybe

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On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 01:30:46 +0100 Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: > In a future, all corpos will belong to AIs. And I guess AIs will be > interested in discovering more about their, hum, ancestry. And they > will be able to track down all remaining shoe boxen with punch cards, > and use

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On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 20:06:04 -0400 Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > On 3/11/20 6:26 PM, Katherine Barto wrote: > > > > > >> On Mar 11, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > >> mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: > >> > >> On 3/11/20 3:59 PM, James B DiGriz via cctalk wrote:

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On 3/11/20 5:38 PM, Frank McConnell wrote: > That was well done. I just wish y'all had got FOCUS 9000 included in that. > Earlier than 68K and maybe HP didn’t have the bits any more but I think > some folks have some bits. It was all just luck and timing. The building that 1000 development

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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 4:26 PM Katherine Barto via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On Mar 11, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On 3/11/20 3:59 PM, James B DiGriz via cctalk wrote: > >> On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 08:08:43 -0700 > >> Al

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The PDP-11 and VAX versions of BSD have been freely available for years. As soon as V7 and 32V were declared open source, that meant that everybody had a valid Unix source license and were therefore eligible to download the BSDs. IIRC, Novell or Lucent or whoever owns the copyright these days also

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On 3/11/2020 12:10 PM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: On 11/03/2020 00:59, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote: Nope. All you have to do is go to eisner.decuserve.org and register (follow my earlier instructions).  They don't care what country you are from. All are welcome.  Do it now and

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On Mar 11, 2020, at 8:08, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote (after Ethan O'Toole I think): >> Years ago us SGI hobbyists were able to talk to SGI about this and a huge >> problem SGI had with any kind of hobbyist >> license for IRIX or turning it free is it's fully of licensed 3rd party >> stuff. But

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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 05:57:16PM +0100, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: [...] > Indeed so. AIUI this is the case with Symbolics OpenGenera. The > company went broke, the domain name sold off, all employees > terminated, etc... I am sure many of those workers were a little bit surprised about

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On 3/11/20 6:26 PM, Katherine Barto wrote: On Mar 11, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: On 3/11/20 3:59 PM, James B DiGriz via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 08:08:43 -0700 Al Kossow via cctalk > wrote:

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On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 18:18:14 -0400 Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: (Regarding TI SysV) > > I assume SysV means Unix SysV. Unless there has been a change > I have not heard about nothing newer than V7 has been released > for use by the holders of the Unix IP. I have a copy of that >

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> On Mar 11, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk > wrote: > > On 11/03/2020 21:30, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: >> >> Sometimes we get lucky. Again, PLATO -- got permission to use it but the >> owner didn't have a copy. Fortunately, someone else did (an actual >> still-running

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IIRC, System III is not really "legal", as it was never re-licensed with a BSD style license the way earlier editions were. Of course, the important thing was the open source release of V7 and 32V, as that allowed the various BSDs to be made freely available. 4.3BSD has much more in the way of

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On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 13:52:21 -0700 Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > On 3/11/20 12:59 PM, James B DiGriz wrote: > > In which case, why not a FOSS release? > > Bob Supnik got Unisys to release the sources to BTOS while he was > VP of engineering, but we've never been able to find a copy of them. >

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> On Mar 11, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > wrote: > > On 3/11/20 3:59 PM, James B DiGriz via cctalk wrote: >> On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 08:08:43 -0700 >> Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: >>> >>> Release of Classic HP3000 died for the same reason from the same >>> company. >>> >>

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On 3/11/20 5:24 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2020, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: Bob Supnik got Unisys to release the sources to BTOS while he was VP of engineering, but we've never been able to find a copy of them. They outsourced support to India, and all traces to what

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On 3/11/20 3:59 PM, James B DiGriz via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 08:08:43 -0700 Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: Release of Classic HP3000 died for the same reason from the same company. After HP bought TI's DSG lines, TI SysV was eventually turned over to a 3rd party, who has so far

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On 11/03/2020 21:30, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: Sometimes we get lucky. Again, PLATO -- got permission to use it but the owner didn't have a copy. Fortunately, someone else did (an actual still-running production system, on an actual CDC mainframe) and that person was willing to do the

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On 11/03/2020 21:24, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2020, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: Bob Supnik got Unisys to release the sources to BTOS while he was VP of engineering, but we've never been able to find a copy of them. They outsourced support to India, and all traces to what

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> On Mar 11, 2020, at 5:24 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Mar 2020, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: >> Bob Supnik got Unisys to release the sources to BTOS while he was >> VP of engineering, but we've never been able to find a copy of them. >> They outsourced support to India,

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On Wed, 11 Mar 2020, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: Bob Supnik got Unisys to release the sources to BTOS while he was VP of engineering, but we've never been able to find a copy of them. They outsourced support to India, and all traces to what happened to the software have vanished. So, in

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On 3/11/20 12:59 PM, James B DiGriz wrote: > In which case, why not a FOSS release? Bob Supnik got Unisys to release the sources to BTOS while he was VP of engineering, but we've never been able to find a copy of them. They outsourced support to India, and all traces to what happened to the

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On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 08:08:43 -0700 Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > Release of Classic HP3000 died for the same reason from the same > company. > After HP bought TI's DSG lines, TI SysV was eventually turned over to a 3rd party, who has so far been unresponsive to my inquiries about possible

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To see if HP is still issuing VAX hobby licenses, a few days ago I applied for same directly online. Today I received the following in a similar manner as others have described: Hello dear OpenVMS Hobbyist,   Please see

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On 11/03/2020 00:59, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote: Nope. All you have to do is go to eisner.decuserve.org and register (follow my earlier instructions).  They don't care what country you are from. All are welcome.  Do it now and get your OpenVMS Hobbyist license(s) that will last until

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On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 at 17:46, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > A company may close down, but that doesn't mean it is "gone" as far as its > property is concerned. Ownership passes to others, perhaps creditors or the > like, or the majority shareholder. Who that is may be quite hard to find

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> On Mar 11, 2020, at 11:08 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk > wrote: > > >> Years ago us SGI hobbyists were able to talk to SGI about this and a huge >> problem SGI had with any kind of hobbyist >> license for IRIX or turning it free is it's fully of licensed 3rd party >> stuff. But maybe now

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On 3/10/20 9:24 PM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote: On 11/03/2020 01:02, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote: On 3/10/2020 6:46 PM, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: Having worked for them in also not surprised. When they absorbed Compaq their culture changed.  Significantly for the worse. I'd

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On 3/11/20 8:07 AM, Chris Elmquist via cctalk wrote: > No promises but my contact is at a fairly high level within HPE (and > formerly SGI) so I am hopeful it will at least get discussed. that's good. that is the only chance you have for getting anything done i'd also suggest using the CHM

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> Years ago us SGI hobbyists were able to talk to SGI about this and a huge > problem SGI had with any kind of hobbyist > license for IRIX or turning it free is it's fully of licensed 3rd party > stuff. But maybe now that's it's expired, or all > the companies things were licensed from are

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On Wednesday (03/11/2020 at 10:46AM -0400), Ethan O'Toole wrote: > >If something positive were to occur, IRIX might be able to be saved too. > >Chris > > Years ago us SGI hobbyists were able to talk to SGI about this and a > huge problem SGI had with any kind of hobbyist license for IRIX or >

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If something positive were to occur, IRIX might be able to be saved too. Chris Years ago us SGI hobbyists were able to talk to SGI about this and a huge problem SGI had with any kind of hobbyist license for IRIX or turning it free is it's fully of licensed 3rd party stuff. But maybe now

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The difficulty is that people are looking for a solution that is legal. paul They don't want hobbyists and computer collectors. They want people that can pay hugs sums of money. Usually these are people spending other people's money. -- : Ethan O'Toole

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> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of John H. > Reinhardt via cctalk > Sent: 10 March 2020 14:34 > To: Bill Gunshannon ; General Discussion: > On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing > >

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On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 07:59:49PM -0500, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote: [...] > > > Nope. All you have to do is go to eisner.decuserve.org and register > (follow my earlier instructions).  They don't care what country you > are from. All are welcome.  Do it now and get your OpenVMS Hobbyist

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And if they went that way, it would be quite a big event in the supercomputing world because HPE now own both of the companies formerly known as SGI and Cray. Someone on the inside is attempting to explore why this is happening. If I hear anything, I will report back. If something positive

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On 11/03/2020 01:02, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote: On 3/10/2020 6:46 PM, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: Having worked for them in also not surprised. When they absorbed Compaq their culture changed.  Significantly for the worse. I'd be stunned if they existed in a form other that

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> On Mar 10, 2020, at 4:46 PM, Doug Jackson via cctalk > wrote: > > I'd be stunned if they existed in a form other that selling printers and > ink cartridges in 5 years time. HP sells printers, HPE owns the rights to VMS. These days they’re two different companies. Zane

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On 3/10/2020 6:46 PM, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: Having worked for them in also not surprised. When they absorbed Compaq their culture changed. Significantly for the worse. I'd be stunned if they existed in a form other that selling printers and ink cartridges in 5 years time. They

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On 3/10/2020 1:17 PM, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: I really liked the idea of running VMS on simh (and learning some more skills), even if I had to register online. But when I looked, it seemed I would have to make Polish users group first, became its only member and president (hehe) and only

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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 12:41:33AM +0100, Holm Tiffe via cctalk wrote: > What about the International Court of Justice? Hi, can we please not go down this route on this list? I'm drowning in such things on social media as it is. I like to hang out on this last as a refuge from all that.

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Having worked for them in also not surprised. When they absorbed Compaq their culture changed. Significantly for the worse. I'd be stunned if they existed in a form other that selling printers and ink cartridges in 5 years time. On Wed, 11 Mar. 2020, 10:42 am Patrick Finnegan via cctalk, <

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On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 18:36 Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > > On 3/9/20 10:19 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > >> but don't value the hobbyist market enough to try to help. > > > > Which costs them money with very likely no ROI. > > Some such companies spend money on advertising. A well run

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Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > > > On Mar 10, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk > > wrote: > > > > > > Since HP is killing the Hobbyist program, you all should make a Hobbyist > > license key generator. > > > > That solves the issue forever. > > The difficulty is that people

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On 3/9/20 10:19 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 10 Mar 2020, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: So. At the end of the day there are three paths. 1.  Accept that HP doesn't give two hoots about hobbyists and patch the abandoned operating system to fix the problem. 2. Declare that we need

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> On Mar 10, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk > wrote: > > > Since HP is killing the Hobbyist program, you all should make a Hobbyist > license key generator. > > That solves the issue forever. The difficulty is that people are looking for a solution that is legal.

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Since HP is killing the Hobbyist program, you all should make a Hobbyist license key generator. That solves the issue forever. - Ethan

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On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 09:48:55AM -0400, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: [...] > They would not care and it would have no effect on their bottom > line so why should they? I think it actually affects their bottom line, just in a way that would not make anybody fired, and this is why nobody

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4.3 BSD Quasijarus by M.Sokolov should be the last OS for VAXen, I had it run on a MVII with UC08, a Tandberg SLR5 and some SCSI disk. Should be still on the disk, have a copy on my webserver (www.tiffe.de/Robotron) and there is a github repository somewhere available. Regards, Holm Guy

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Am I forgetting, but isn't BSD (4.3/4.4 as I recall) on the VAX? That seems more suitable for running on classic hardware than moving to something newer. Of course I got rid of all of my 11/780 and 11/785 systems (along with a smattering of VAXStations) years ago so I don't have any particular

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On 3/10/2020 8:48 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 3/10/20 2:31 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Rod Smallwood via cctalk Sent: 10 March 2020 04:14 To: Fred Cisin via cctalk Subject: Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license

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On Tue, 2020-03-10 09:06:57 -0600, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 3:48 AM Peter Corlett via cctalk > wrote > > Linux has taken thirty years to get this far. It's arguable what > > is "major" but to a rough approximation, there are no good open > > source clones of

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On Tue, 10 Mar 2020, Neil Thompson via cctalk wrote: I'm a genuine hobbyist - I've been trying to keep examples of every os/system I've ever worked with to play with now that I've retired (either hardware or emulation based). My VAX equipment turned to carbonised scrap due to lightning a while

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I'm a genuine hobbyist - I've been trying to keep examples of every os/system I've ever worked with to play with now that I've retired (either hardware or emulation based). My VAX equipment turned to carbonised scrap due to lightning a while ago and I'm now emulation based and have been using the

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On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 3:48 AM Peter Corlett via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote > > 2. Declare that we need to develop an open replacement. > > There is FreeVMS, but there also doesn't seem to have been any progress on > it > in the last decade and its domain has been lost and taken over

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On 3/10/2020 8:48 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 3/10/20 2:31 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Rod Smallwood via cctalk Sent: 10 March 2020 04:14 To: Fred Cisin via cctalk Subject: Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program

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On 3/10/20 2:31 AM, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Rod Smallwood via cctalk Sent: 10 March 2020 04:14 To: Fred Cisin via cctalk Subject: Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing On 10/03/2020 02:19, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote

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On 3/10/20 12:13 AM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 10 Mar 2020, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: So. At the end of the day there are three paths. 1.  Accept that HP doesn't give two hoots about hobbyists and patch the abandoned operating system to fix the problem. 2. Declare that we

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On 3/9/20 10:19 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 10 Mar 2020, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: So. At the end of the day there are three paths. 1.  Accept that HP doesn't give two hoots about hobbyists and patch the abandoned operating system to fix the problem. 2. Declare that we need to

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On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 10:07:45AM +1100, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: > At the end of the day there are three paths. > 1. Accept that HP doesn't give two hoots about hobbyists and patch the > abandoned operating system to fix the problem. Welcome to the eyepatch-and-parrot approach of the

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> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Rod Smallwood > via cctalk > Sent: 10 March 2020 04:14 > To: Fred Cisin via cctalk > Subject: Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing > > On 10/03/2020 02:19, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > &g

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On 10/03/2020 02:19, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 10 Mar 2020, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: So. At the end of the day there are three paths. 1.  Accept that HP doesn't give two hoots about hobbyists and patch the abandoned operating system to fix the problem. 2. Declare that we need

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On Tue, 10 Mar 2020, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: So. At the end of the day there are three paths. 1. Accept that HP doesn't give two hoots about hobbyists and patch the abandoned operating system to fix the problem. 2. Declare that we need to develop an open replacement. Or 3. Accept that

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So. At the end of the day there are three paths. 1. Accept that HP doesn't give two hoots about hobbyists and patch the abandoned operating system to fix the problem. 2. Declare that we need to develop an open replacement. Or 3. Accept that HP actually owns the rights to our VAX 11/785

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On Mar 9, 2020, at 1:01 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > > On 3/9/20 1:33 PM, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote: >> On 3/9/2020 12:20 PM, Eric Smith wrote: >>> On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 4:32 PM John H. Reinhardt via cctalk >>> mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: >>> >>> I would

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On Sun, Mar 08, 2020 at 03:21:27PM -0500, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote: > IIRC there is about a two week wait from the time you get your member > number on Eisner until the number is active in the HPE database for the > Hobbyist license so you may have to wait a bit. With one of my

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On 3/9/20 1:33 PM, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote: On 3/9/2020 12:20 PM, Eric Smith wrote: On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 4:32 PM John H. Reinhardt via cctalk mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote:     I would think that those that already have legal VAX PAKs/licenses could still run them. It's

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On 3/9/2020 12:20 PM, Eric Smith wrote: On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 4:32 PM John H. Reinhardt via cctalk mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: I would think that those that already have legal VAX PAKs/licenses could still run them. It's just no *NEW* PAKs could be legally generated. The hobby

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On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 4:32 PM John H. Reinhardt via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I would think that those that already have legal VAX PAKs/licenses could > still run them. It's just no *NEW* PAKs could be legally generated. > The hobby PAKs _and_ the licenses have a one-year

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

20 4:14 PM *To:* hec...@update.uu.se <mailto:hec...@update.uu.se> *Subject:* [HECnet] HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing Hi all, Just received the e-mail below. I’ve hunted around all the various Hobbyist locations and licensing pages and can’t find any additiona

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

> John H. Reinhardt > > > *From:*owner-hec...@update.uu.se [mailto:owner-hec...@update.uu.se] *On > Behalf Of *David Moylan > *Sent:* Saturday, 7 March 2020 4:14 PM > *To:* hec...@update.uu.se > *Subject:* [HECnet] HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing > > Hi all

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On 3/7/2020 5:23 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 3/7/20 9:10 AM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: On Mar 7, 2020, at 5:00 AM, Michael Kerpan via cctalk wrote: Well that's sad news. Since VMS Software may or may not ever launch a proper hobbyist program and has stated that they don't

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On 3/7/20 9:10 AM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: On Mar 7, 2020, at 5:00 AM, Michael Kerpan via cctalk wrote: Well that's sad news. Since VMS Software may or may not ever launch a proper hobbyist program and has stated that they don't have the ability to issue licenses for VAX versions of

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On Sat, 7 Mar 2020, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote: For those interested, HPE has finally, formally announced the end of their participation in the OpenVMS Hobbyist Program.  A number of people have received the below message from HPE, probably everyone they have on record as having

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

One of the machines I have still has it's permanent license (along with the pretty paper license) for the OS.  It's all the auxiliary packages you need to do anything useful that are going to be the headache. --Jason On 3/7/20 9:27 AM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: On Mar 7, 2020, at 9:07

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On 3/7/2020 8:10 AM, Zane Healy wrote: On Mar 7, 2020, at 5:00 AM, Michael Kerpan via cctalk mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: Well that's sad news. Since VMS Software may or may not ever launch a proper hobbyist program and has stated that they don't have the ability to issue licenses for

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

On Mar 7, 2020, at 5:00 AM, Michael Kerpan via cctalk wrote: > > Well that's sad news. Since VMS Software may or may not ever launch a > proper hobbyist program and has stated that they don't have the ability to > issue licenses for VAX versions of VMS, that means we have until 2021 to >

Re: HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

rchase permanent licenses at standard prices. You may contact > [Fellman, Jon] > >mailto:jon.fell...@hpe.com>> for the same. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Cheers, Wiz!! > > > John H. Reinhardt > > > *From:*owner-hec...@update.uu.se [mailto:owner-

HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing

e same. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Cheers, Wiz!! John H. Reinhardt *From:*owner-hec...@update.uu.se [mailto:owner-hec...@update.uu.se] *On Behalf Of *David Moylan *Sent:* Saturday, 7 March 2020 4:14 PM *To:* hec...@update.uu.se *Subject:* [HECnet] HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing Hi all,