Re: Full immersion emulation

On 03/02/2017 08:30 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > > A short list of shipping products that do that: > > Amazon Echo > https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01GAGVIE4/ > > Google Home > https://madeby.google.com/home/ > > Microsoft Cortana > https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/cortana > Now that

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 9 March 2017 at 17:22, Ray Arachelian wrote: > > Now that the cat's out of the bag, how soon before you can tell your > smart TV "Dear CIA, I'm hungry, can you send over a pizza pls, k thx bye" :-D Or the XCKD version: https://xkcd.com/1807/ -- Liam Proven • Profile:

Re: Magtape write rings [Was: Re: Full immersion emulation]

On 03/05/2017 12:18 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: > > Mention above about the vacuum capstans. Some really old drives had > two continuously counterrotating capstans with slots in them. Valves > applied either air pressure, to make the tape float over the capstan, > or vacuum, to make the

Re: Magtape write rings [Was: Re: Full immersion emulation]

That all makes perfect sense now. Thanks! -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X http://www.nf6x.net/

Re: Magtape write rings [Was: Re: Full immersion emulation]

On 03/05/2017 12:41 PM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote: On Mar 5, 2017, at 09:49, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: I don't recall many who used those yellow rings for their intended purpose. It was just too easy to forget to remove one. You mounted tapes without and

Re: Magtape write rings [Was: Re: Full immersion emulation]

On 2017-Mar-05, at 11:27 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 03/05/2017 10:41 AM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote: >> >> So, was the write enable state latched at some point in the loading >> cycle on those drives? That surprises me, because I would have >> expected the write enable sensor to

Re: Magtape write rings [Was: Re: Full immersion emulation]

On 03/05/2017 10:41 AM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote: > > So, was the write enable state latched at some point in the loading > cycle on those drives? That surprises me, because I would have > expected the write enable sensor to interrupt write current as > combinatorial function on the drive,

Magtape write rings [Was: Re: Full immersion emulation]

> On Mar 5, 2017, at 09:49, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > I don't recall many who used those yellow rings for their intended > purpose. It was just too easy to forget to remove one. You mounted > tapes without and reached around the back of the reel with a punch

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 03/05/2017 12:02 AM, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Sat, Mar 04, 2017 at 01:34:25PM -0800, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: >> terrible fluorescent lighting. > > There's another kind? The fixtures themselves were so high that they *did* make for some recreation. Bored operators would engage in

Re: Full immersion emulation

> On Mar 5, 2017, at 3:02 AM, Mark Linimon via cctalk > wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 04, 2017 at 01:34:25PM -0800, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >> terrible fluorescent lighting. > > There's another kind? Well, there are "daylight" type fluorescent bulbs. Those are quite

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 2017-03-05 4:19 AM, Mark Linimon via cctalk wrote: On Wed, Mar 01, 2017 at 05:22:10PM -0500, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove via cctalk wrote: Don't forget what a machine room and the equipment looks like. I think everyone has forgotten the most important part of the recreation. There simply

Re: Full immersion emulation

On Wed, Mar 01, 2017 at 05:22:10PM -0500, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove via cctalk wrote: > Don't forget what a machine room and the equipment looks like. I think everyone has forgotten the most important part of the recreation. There simply *must* be someone standing in the room to scream DON'T

Re: Full immersion emulation

On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 07:26:25AM -0500, allison via cctalk wrote: > I just fire up the PDP-11/73 (RL02, RX02, RD52x3,), then Microvax-II/GPX, > Then the PDP-8f Right now in the server room here at the house it's at 77dB -- well, right at the server rack; it's a bit lower where I sit.

Re: Full immersion emulation

On Sat, Mar 04, 2017 at 01:34:25PM -0800, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > terrible fluorescent lighting. There's another kind? :-) mcl

Re: Full immersion emulation

> On Mar 4, 2017, at 21:42, Jon Elson wrote: > > Oh, get a TU78, for sure! I would settle for either! -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X http://www.nf6x.net/

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 03/04/2017 10:35 PM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote: On Mar 4, 2017, at 17:09, Jon Elson wrote: Hmmm, on our TU77, the vacuum pump was not that audible, but then it was in a room with a LOT of noise. My memory might be faulty, since it has been about 25 years since

Re: Full immersion emulation

> On Mar 4, 2017, at 17:09, Jon Elson wrote: > > Hmmm, on our TU77, the vacuum pump was not that audible, but then it was in a > room with a LOT of noise. My memory might be faulty, since it has been about 25 years since I've heard a TU77. I don't suppose anybody near

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 03/04/2017 03:27 PM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote: I mostly remember the shop-vacuum-like whine of the vacuum pump, and the fluttery thwack of the tape loops forming on load-up. The other tape motion sounds didn't stick in my memory so much. I do remember the buzzy grind of the capstan

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 03/04/2017 01:27 PM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote: > > I mostly remember the shop-vacuum-like whine of the vacuum pump, and > the fluttery thwack of the tape loops forming on load-up. The other > tape motion sounds didn't stick in my memory so much. I do remember > the buzzy grind of the

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 03/04/2017 01:13 PM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote: > Having experienced both 1980s computer rooms and passing kidney > stones, I would like to offer my opinion that visiting a noisy > computer room is something quite fun to do at least once, while one > could skip the experience of passing

Re: Full immersion emulation

> On Mar 4, 2017, at 1:22 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > > On 03/04/2017 03:13 PM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote: >> For some reason, I fondly remember the scream of a DEC TU77 drive, and would >> like to have one in my collection. Clearly, I must be somewhat touched in >>

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 03/04/2017 03:13 PM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote: For some reason, I fondly remember the scream of a DEC TU77 drive, and would like to have one in my collection. Clearly, I must be somewhat touched in the head. :) Scream? Or buzz? We had a TU77, and when we ran backups, it made a loud

Re: Full immersion emulation

> In my experience, visiting a computer room was enjoyable, while hanging out > there for a full shift got rather tedious. It got awful cold in there working on servers for several hours. People would ask why I was in a thick jacket when it was 75 F outside. --

Re: Full immersion emulation

> On Mar 1, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > There are certain experiences that I would not rather relive for the > sake of nostalgia. Computer room noise would be right up there with > kidney stones and root canals. Having experienced both 1980s

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 3/1/2017 2:29 PM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: > I have been in rooms where they had a box of earplugs at the door, but > that came later in my field service rep days we where told that the > noise was at a "safe" level, however I do know of at least one person > that is still in field

Re: Full immersion emulation

ROTFL. On 3/3/2017 10:31 AM, Mark Linimon via cctalk wrote: > On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 08:11:34AM -0800, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >> It hardly took any time at all to get those to the point where it would >> accept, "LET THERE BE LIGHT" > > "I'll ... have to think about it." > > mcl >

Re: Full immersion emulation

On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 08:11:34AM -0800, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > It hardly took any time at all to get those to the point where it would > accept, "LET THERE BE LIGHT" "I'll ... have to think about it." mcl

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 2 March 2017 at 17:11, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > And, it will reach a level of reliability to actually be usable, "in a few > more years". "next year in jerusalem!" I haven't tried either the Google or Amazon offerings. I have tried to teach my elderly mother to

Re: Full immersion emulation

Charles, Then you are the one that asked for the permission to use the sound of my "Golf Ball Madness" Selectric video (shameless plug: https://youtu.be/vOIPN70f_-Id ). A) go right ahead and B) turns out I have a high end recording studio installation at home. I can record clean high quality

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 3/2/2017 9:11 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Thu, 2 Mar 2017, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: Summary: it is in fact some time since speech became a primary, and indeed sole, UI for some products. This is indeed their selling point: you automate your home by asking an "intelligent"

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 2017-03-02 12:36 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 03/01/2017 07:21 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: Well, we still had a Selectric (1050) on our 360/65 at Washington University up until the end. I'm pretty sure it was the most unreliable part of the machine. It seems about every two

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 2 March 2017 at 01:55, ben via cctalk wrote: > Well we talk to tablets and phones now, how long before they talk back? A short list of shipping products that do that: Amazon Echo https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01GAGVIE4/ Google Home https://madeby.google.com/home/

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 3/1/17 3:07 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On 03/01/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for early On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at

RE: Full immersion emulation

> <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Full immersion emulation > > On 03/01/2017 02:54 PM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: > > > > > > On 2017-03-01 3:14 PM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: > >> Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 3/1/2017 10:04 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: Well, I remember the /50 at Rolla, they ran very little locally while I was there, mostly used it as an RJE terminal. Cards and 1402 printer. So, the 1050 was not real busy. It ran MVT21 thru 1975. The MVT version of the workstation was one

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 03/01/2017 10:52 PM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: On 3/1/2017 8:36 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: That's one area where CRTs are sooo much better. The S/360 machines just pounded the hell out of the SYSLOG device. I guess the Selectrics were better than the Model B-based console

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 3/1/2017 8:36 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: That's one area where CRTs are sooo much better. The S/360 machines just pounded the hell out of the SYSLOG device. I guess the Selectrics were better than the Model B-based console typewriters, which always seemed as if they were going to

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 03/01/2017 07:21 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: > Well, we still had a Selectric (1050) on our 360/65 at Washington > University up until the end. I'm pretty sure it was the most > unreliable part of the machine. It seems about every two weeks it > would break the timing belt, which meant

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 03/01/2017 02:54 PM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: On 2017-03-01 3:14 PM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for early Multics installations (and other systems) the sound of the Selectric operator's console. I/O Selectrics

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 2017-03-01 7:55 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: On 3/1/2017 4:22 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 03/01/2017 11:46 AM, Tony Duell wrote: But presumably on an emulator there will be some kind of volume control. Or even unplug the speaker(s) if you want silence... But then, what of the

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 3/1/2017 4:22 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 03/01/2017 11:46 AM, Tony Duell wrote: But presumably on an emulator there will be some kind of volume control. Or even unplug the speaker(s) if you want silence... But then, what of the "realism"? Is the sound of a half-ton of

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 03/01/2017 11:46 AM, Tony Duell wrote: > But presumably on an emulator there will be some kind of volume > control. Or even unplug the speaker(s) if you want silence... But then, what of the "realism"? Is the sound of a half-ton of dynamite going off realistic at 50 dB? Many aspects of

Re: Full immersion emulation

ons 2017-03-01 klockan 16:29 -0400 skrev Paul Berger via cctalk: > > On 2017-03-01 3:39 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > On 03/01/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: > >> Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for early > >> Multics installations (and

Re: Full immersion emulation

I'm replying to the "top level" original message just to put some other comments in on "full immersion" emulation, without trampling over the discussions that are going on about the sound experience. On 1 March 2017 at 14:14, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: > Part of

Re: Full immersion emulation

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Lawrence Wilkinson via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 01/03/17 21:13, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: > >> On 3/1/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: >> >>> So I am fishing for any existing audio clips with clean sounds, or >>> someone >>>

Re: Full immersion emulation

What about the chilling sound of a head crash? Ziiiggg kluk kluk kluk... On 1 March 2017 at 23:22, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > All this talk of the sounds hammering away and the console reminded me. > > There's another part of the experience: when a system

Re: Full immersion emulation

All this talk of the sounds hammering away and the console reminded me. There's another part of the experience: when a system crashed... There was a distinctive pattern of sounds when the register dump was printed, some beeps from the console and often the groans of the people that were affected

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 2017-03-01 3:14 PM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for early Multics installations (and other systems) the sound of the Selectric operator's console. I/O Selectrics are rare, expensive and unreliable. They are all

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 3/1/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: So I am fishing for any existing audio clips with clean sounds, or someone with a Selectric that is willing to make some recordings, or a pointer to somewhere where all of this has been done already. -- Charles Golfball typewriter

Re: Full immersion emulation

[ stupid gmail ] On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: On 03/01/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: > > Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the

Re: Full immersion emulation

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >>> On 03/01/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for early >> >> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 03/01/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for early On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk There is no way that I'd wish anyone would have to put up with the 80+ dB "white noise" of fans and vacuum

Re: Full immersion emulation

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 03/01/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: >> Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for early >> Multics installations (and other systems) the sound of the Selectric >>

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 03/01/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: > Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for early > Multics installations (and other systems) the sound of the Selectric > operator's console. There is no way that I'd wish anyone would have to put up with the