Re: does a reverse-engineering EDA tool exist?

2018-10-25 Thread Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk
> On Oct 25, 2018, at 10:05 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk > wrote: > > > > On 10/25/18 9:48 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: >> >> >> On 10/25/18 9:18 AM, Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk wrote: >>> Now that I think about it, a flying probe may be easier for us hobbyists to >>> construct. The

Re: does a reverse-engineering EDA tool exist?

2018-10-25 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 10/25/18 9:48 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > > On 10/25/18 9:18 AM, Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk wrote: >> Now that I think about it, a flying probe may be easier for us hobbyists to >> construct. The trick will be getting sufficient x/y resolution and not >> having the two probes

Re: does a reverse-engineering EDA tool exist?

2018-10-25 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 10/25/18 9:18 AM, Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk wrote: > Now that I think about it, a flying probe may be easier for us hobbyists to > construct. The trick will be getting sufficient x/y resolution and not > having the two probes interfere when the two probes are close to each other. > I

Re: does a reverse-engineering EDA tool exist?

2018-10-25 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 10/25/18 9:18 AM, Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk wrote: > I’m wondering if a “bed of nails” could be built that would allow for > automated scanning of the traces to at least get the netlist. yup that's the latest iteration of what I'm working on 16 bit open drain drivers, low voltage

Re: does a reverse-engineering EDA tool exist?

2018-10-25 Thread Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk
> On Oct 25, 2018, at 9:02 AM, Jon Elson via cctalk > wrote: > > On 10/25/2018 12:44 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >> On 10/24/18 8:06 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: >> >>> Hmmm, you COULD actually use a schematic tool to do this! Maybe create >>> the components to look like DIPs. I

Re: does a reverse-engineering EDA tool exist?

2018-10-25 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/25/2018 12:44 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 10/24/18 8:06 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: Hmmm, you COULD actually use a schematic tool to do this! Maybe create the components to look like DIPs. I know I could do this in Protel 99 without a great deal of trouble. Then, just

Re: does a reverse-engineering EDA tool exist?

2018-10-25 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 10/24/18 11:51 PM, Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote: > - ICs containing multiple functional blocks (eg 6 x inverters.) These may be > used all over >the place in a schematic. You don't want to be forced into drawing them > together at any >stage of schematic derivation. Actually you

Re: does a reverse-engineering EDA tool exist?

2018-10-25 Thread Christian Corti via cctalk
On Thu, 25 Oct 2018, Guy Dunphy wrote: Keep the objective in mind. What you want to end up with is a schematic, that is laid out in a way that aids comprehension of how the circuit works. Typically this means overall left to right functional or power flow, with separate functional blocks

Re: does a reverse-engineering EDA tool exist?

2018-10-25 Thread Guy Dunphy via cctalk
At 10:06 PM 24/10/2018 -0500, you wrote: >On 10/24/2018 04:25 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: >> To draw out the schematics for the Displaywriter I have a bunch of boards to >> trace out, >> and I don't want to do the usual "scribble on yellow pad" >> to do it. Has someone written a graphical

Re: does a reverse-engineering EDA tool exist?

2018-10-25 Thread r.stricklin via cctalk
On Oct 24, 2018, at 2:25 PM, Al Kossow via cctech wrote: > What I would like to find is a tool that puts up a bunch of footprints with > internal IC functions > shown, then a way to rapidly enter the buzzed out interconnections, > generating a netlist. > > This is exactly backwards workflow

Re: does a reverse-engineering EDA tool exist?

2018-10-24 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 10/24/18 8:06 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: > Hmmm, you COULD actually use a schematic tool to do this!  Maybe create > the components to look like DIPs.  I know I could do this in Protel 99 > without a great deal of trouble.  Then, just draw in all the wires. > I suspect a few other good

Re: does a reverse-engineering EDA tool exist?

2018-10-24 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/24/2018 04:25 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: To draw out the schematics for the Displaywriter I have a bunch of boards to trace out, and I don't want to do the usual "scribble on yellow pad" to do it. Has someone written a graphical tool for doing this? What I would like to find is a

Re: does a reverse-engineering EDA tool exist?

2018-10-24 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 10/24/18 5:41 PM, Guy Dunphy wrote: > A: Yes. But god knows what it costs. > > http://scancad.net/products/pcb-design-fabrication/pcb-reverse-engineering > ScanFAB is a fully integrated, stand-alone, scanner- based re-engineering > system that permits the creation of CAD data

Re: does a reverse-engineering EDA tool exist?

2018-10-24 Thread Guy Dunphy via cctalk
At 02:25 PM 24/10/2018 -0700, you wrote: >To draw out the schematics for the Displaywriter I have a bunch of boards to >trace out, >and I don't want to do the usual "scribble on yellow pad" >to do it. Has someone written a graphical tool for doing this? > >What I would like to find is a tool that

Re: does a reverse-engineering EDA tool exist?

2018-10-24 Thread Eric Schlaepfer via cctalk
I've gone through this a few times myself. There are a few approaches. One is to use a schematic tool like Kicad to place all the ICs first, then add the wires and rearrange things as you buzz out the connections. Another approach uses an intermediate step where you enter all the buzzed out