Re: bit-slice and microcode discussion list
On 8/22/19 12:16 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: > On another mailing list, someone asked if there was any list specifically > about bit-slice design and microcoding. I don't know of one, so I've > created a new mailing list specifically for those topics: > > http://lists.brouhaha.com/mailman/listinfo/bit-slicers > > The intent is for the list to cover technical discussion of bit-slice > hardware design and/or microcoding. In other words, discussion of > microcoding that doesn't use bit-slice hardware is fine. > On a possible related note, I am looking for information on converting CISC instructions to VLIW RISC. --tnx --tom
Re: KE11-A craze (Was: Current MANX location)
I was one of the bidders. I have a KE11 backplane and it is populated. I just wanted some spare boards. You don't see these boards that often. I am hoping that a backplane would appear too. The seller seems to have some early pdp11 backplanes. Paul >> KE11-A Field Maintenance Print Set > http://manx-docs.org/details.php/1,9358 >Speaking of KE11-A's, does anyone know what's behind the bidding wars on >recent eBay >KE11-A >component board listings, e.g.: https://www.ebay.com/itm/372685033144 > AFAIK, the boards (a complete set is an M7210, M7211, M827, and two M234's) > are pretty useless > > without the custom backplane, so do some people have > such, or do they not know they need the > > backplane, or what?
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
On 8/22/2019 6:23 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: The machine was later returned to the US and was used as a "test mule". At Microdata, we were touring the country on a mission to fix some bugs that customers were having, and happened to be in Dallas when a problem with one of a customers drives was serious enough we had to pull and replace it. The drive was shipped counter to counter same day on Delta. We went to the Delta Freight @ the airport to pick it up, and the guy on duty went back to get it after some delay. I think we were the first ones to get there for that flight, and he was absent for a while, but some yelling got his attention. Anyway we go to the dock which is at the front of this 30' long bay which went out the other end, and waited. He was told it was heavy, crated, and needed a hand truck. Even offered ours. After about 5 min we here this crash, then another, at about a 5 or so second rep. After about 5, the end of a crate about the right size to be ours appeared. It was tilted up, and then fell out upside down as the guy flipped it over again. He had gotten in about 10 of those flips before we used some salty language and told him to stop and we went with our handtruck. Made sure he saw the Fragile stickers all over and ignore them. Reported him to the 800# and called in to several places the next day. Anyway it worked fine. Also on the thread topic, PM'ed Steve. I quoted a shipment to Latvia 2 days ago, breathtakingly expensive. It was the same size as his parcel. thanks JIm
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
On 08/22/2019 02:09 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: Many ages ago, I worked for a company that made 12-bit computers for radiation treatment planning. they palleted a computer and shipped it to Holland for a trade show. At the arrival airport, somebody pushed it out of the cargo bay with no conveyor belt below, and it fell something like 30 feet to the ground. the pallet was reduced to splinters, and the case of the machine was seriously MASHED. The techs who were going to set it up didn't think it had any chance of working, but they pulled all the boards, beat on the case some to straighten it, put the boards back in, and it fired right up! The machine was later returned to the US and was used as a "test mule". Jon
Re: IBM PT-2
Yea the PT-2 was a CE tool used for TONS of devices, I have a write-up on IBM storage from the 3370 days and the PT-2 was mentioned for diagnostics on the 3370, even remotely to a customer site over landline I would suppose. So a pretty neat thing but this and all later devices had tapes you'd run on them to do the diagnostic packages. So there are tons of these devices and very few tapes floating around, even within IBM I have only seen a few tapes floating around anymore but a few of these machines still sit tucked away in corners... Tapes get lost over time, thrown out, whatever, assets and physical machines stick around. I do know one of the types of tapes ran to run some kind of test was a "SCAM" it was called, someone I talked to said he liked to joke it ran "SCAM"s at IBM. I also bet there was tons of internal documentations because I assume the programs don't just give out straight answers to problems, probably give ref codes and things that you'd need documentation or knowledge to know what is failing or whats doing what. So sadly these things are quite the mystery unless your a CE who kept all of their stuff. That is what I know of anyway from my perspective. I probably know 0.1% what some others know so take everything with a grain of salt :) -Connor K On 8/22/2019 08:12, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: I can confirm that this is a CE tool. From what I remember they where used mainly by CEs in the GSD division. The large grey lump to the left of the PT-2 is a channel adapter used for monitoring 370 channels. The black box on the lower right is a coax switch and not part of a PT-2. They where mainly used for monitoring communication lines and at the time when I saw one in use for that, 40 years ago, it had the advantage of being able to decode the Bisync or SDLC protocol right on the machine rather than having to send the data off to have it analyzed. I recall that there was an attachment with multiple types of connectors for communication lines along with indicator lights for important signals. Missing from the pictures is the external monitor and tape cartridges that contained the programs for the machine. There was also a later version of this machine that had a built in LCD display. Paul. On 2019-08-22 12:37 a.m., William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: I think this was a CE tool used with machines with the UC processor. My info is pretty sketchy... -- Will On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 11:29 PM Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk wrote: Anyone know anything about this?? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-1980-IBM-PT-2-Computer-Hall-Effect-Magnet-Keyboard-w-Program-Test-Manuals/253997593352?hash=item3b236fb308&_trkparms=ispr%3D1=AQAEAAADIKvsXIZtBqdkfsZsMtzFbFsbX3WcW5fmB%2Fx7ZbaZTyexIhK7W9VLgW%2BiANqra5tcLfLUvucq%2FWwy3JSlehkVi0H0TnsZ9x3lnT4M%2FNK0I23zl7BNBUVztS8698RExuOgZcHXO6v7FRUK%2BTMxC2BELPLkgdRvpFWMB9BbXQW1zu7SXs5SoLJrm3aR8m2kIhrt1aHBf3njB7KD9d70jXprDh7LYyoD6BlZOSFKMSelULNCkR06EvKg4bm5Hlj2kT9gzHObAbHnS4Dy725pF6f0MSjGs0nuvyw3P701B8pbREOy%2BFwa7KynI7p%2F%2FDZSd3NLb8aiylmIQvuIxdA2jf9NKjtjNK4OtBGLPK1kCinJtpG3edC%2Bg3zcgF%2BfyYqsWzgdaR5BLc7eWvxDvDJVYrc9GagH52%2BXriCUj815vLusAYJ4MLBZEf4SumlXsAzKamOO1YHDdAY5XcZWlbJj4%2BbUDYGiVYVey5jbU4p6AR07GBD1NZ9VxtZLXu3%2BrEvbDjS062zfupJn1OsyqxjkXo4S94QVavnXzvg%2BlbUU6igkijeh8tFnsqvD9YBuGYX5BkjQbg7rxOMS9orHpRd28wEsc%2BFknJ71Lz6aCnlB4RpAZbiHprxzhMYckTqYLMAMhmYF92p5vdMYFd9gFN7jkUHKQPMgwjpZpGHrg3UeEEMrPI%2FlDEtwSC0tQBwpD4phxoid3H8rPCpQ3eavJ7UwJUNfXV5k5unTOHwY%2BxT0TTtCCfqMJXqRNMNJkokBK375vCSohk1GexkbC7vvHsB2jB6fh6sjqYTUk4JuzulLDCGrCvZaKBAW9PF8L4%2F%2BDs1N20TwMxOhigqK0TPCWMRT0CPP5lk%2BiqRoJcY0jxsLoQ%2ByEoxMik5Mf5jqeAbaFw6Sg9lXG45gGwa7JiO3kQ7W6reG3LKEMsC2kmLq8q%2BtL%2FvK9aA0gP9in9SIXNZr%2Bh40fnoMD4rS%2Bpki8If24eqaAsA75pDMYNjIgFr85VGRhiHR3g7ymKQ3%2BHET6pyCnW0pt677L6Ggah3K%2BrNu1BSYjdMm3dfFPTWvNtdFRfaBNIweNSEM=25399759335250961bc599bf4c1a8a1422d41778b250
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
I had an interesting experience with UPS - they shipped me a tape library from the U.S. to Canada... when it arrived, the inside was completely trashed. As in, no recognizable components bigger than a credit card. UPS insisted that the condition of the tape library was as they received it for shipment. Until I sent them a photograph of the puncture mark made by THEIR forklift, right through THEIR shipping documents... From: "cctalk" To: "cctalk" Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 12:21:39 PM Subject: Re: Shipping from Europe to USA > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk > wrote: > > > >> On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Peter Corlett via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 06:30:10PM +, Henk Gooijen via cctalk wrote: >> ... >>> Only UPS did … and yes, the “horror” stories *are* true. They managed to >>> drop >>> the package. Not from 4 inches above ground, but more, because a *steel >>> corner* had a dent! >> >> Hence that old joke: "If being air dropped out of a C-130 into a minefield >> constitutes 'moderately rough handling', what constitutes 'very rough >> handling'?" "Being shipped UPS". > > I'm reminded of a legendary story from a long time ago, of a DEC disk being > air-shipped to a customer. RP03? Not sure, but something of that size class. > > The story was that the shipping company hadn't strapped it down properly, so > when the plane applied takeoff power, the drive slid backwards in the cargo > hold. Fast enough to exit the hold through the airplane skin, landing on the > runway with a nice bounce. > > The drive was taken back to Maynard, where it was observed that the corner of > the frame was badly bent. The techs propped it up on a cinder block and > turned the drive on; it worked fine. > > Sure sounds like a fairy tale, but it's a fun one. Friend who owned a larger regional ISP back in the day bought a new Ascend MAX. It shipped UPS and arrived with a perfect boot print on the side of the box. To this day we still make jokes about UPS playing soccer with the package. (Semi-related side story; A few months after installation, the Max started dropping calls on one line card. Ascend refused to RMA it because it passed diagnostics. They went back and forth over for a week or so until one day their sysadmin had enough; He calmly removed the card from the chassis and, with an Ascend tech on speakerphone, smashed the thing to bits with a hammer. “Oh, it just failed. Won’t pass diagnostics anymore.” He got his RMA number. The replacement card worked without issue for the next several years.)
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
Ethan Dicks wrote: > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 9:26 AM Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > > > KE11-A Field Maintenance Print Set > > > http://manx-docs.org/details.php/1,9358 > > > > Speaking of KE11-A's, does anyone know what's behind the bidding wars on > > recent eBay KE11-A component board listings, e.g.: > > > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/372685033144 > > No idea. I have those boards in my box of KA11 boards and since they > arrived together, I expect I have the right backplane in my BA11-C, > but I am also surprised to see such interest in just the boards. > Perhaps someone has a broken KE11-A and doesn't want to/is unsure how > to do component-level repair. > Maybe someone had one shipped by UPS and only the backplane survived? Regards, Peter Coghlan > > -ethan >
Re: KE11-A craze (Was: Current MANX location)
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 9:26 AM Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > KE11-A Field Maintenance Print Set > > http://manx-docs.org/details.php/1,9358 > > Speaking of KE11-A's, does anyone know what's behind the bidding wars on > recent eBay KE11-A component board listings, e.g.: > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/372685033144 No idea. I have those boards in my box of KA11 boards and since they arrived together, I expect I have the right backplane in my BA11-C, but I am also surprised to see such interest in just the boards. Perhaps someone has a broken KE11-A and doesn't want to/is unsure how to do component-level repair. -ethan
Re: OT: shortening eBay URLSs (Was: IBM PT-2
That is useful information. I had explicitly givien the shortest URL that I found to work. Others pointed out that the auction NUMBER is the important piece of informtion, and that the rest to make a URL can be recreated. I suppose that somebody with some time on their hands could/should go through and document more of the fields in the eBay URL structure. On Thu, 22 Aug 2019, Hagstrom, Paul wrote: One further note on shortening eBay links. A few months ago, eBay made it harder to use links to ended auctions, because it will (sometimes? often?) automatically redirect you to some active auctions that it deems to be similar. If you add ?nordt=true_cvip=true=nc to the end, it will stay on the auction you asked for, even if it has ended. That is: https://www.ebay.com/itm/283576035281?nordt=true_cvip=true=nc should continue to point to this auction (for 90 days or so at least) even after the listing is closed. I am not 100% sure that all of the parameters there are required, I only know that it works with rt, nordt, and orig_cvip there. I think I tried removing one or more and it stopped working, but I was not systematic, since, well, I didn't really care. This is what I use in the show notes of the Retrocomputing Roundtable episodes, since odds are good that auctions we talk about there will have ended by the time people try the links. In the context of cctalk, this might be useful for pointing to auctions that are interesting to look at, rather than to auctions that people might want to participate in (since in that latter case, ended auctions stop being interesting). -Paul On Aug 21, 2019, at 11:45 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: A small off-topic trivial tip: That URL can be reduced to: https://www.ebay.com/itm/253997593352 From 18 lines to 1, losing almost a thousand extraneous chracters. (The stuff between itm/ and /auction number is not needed for the URL, nor is the '?' and anything following.) While the description before the auction number may be useful, the appended stuff on the end isn't. On Thu, 22 Aug 2019, Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk wrote: Anyone know anything about this?? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-1980-IBM-PT-2-Computer-Hall-Effect-Magnet-Keyboard-w-Program-Test-Manuals/253997593352?hash=item3b236fb308&_trkparms=ispr%3D1=AQAEAAADIKvsXIZtBqdkfsZsMtzFbFsbX3WcW5fmB%2Fx7ZbaZTyexIhK7W9VLgW%2BiANqra5tcLfLUvucq%2FWwy3JSlehkVi0H0TnsZ9x3lnT4M%2FNK0I23zl7BNBUVztS8698RExuOgZcHXO6v7FRUK%2BTMxC2BELPLkgdRvpFWMB9BbXQW1zu7SXs5SoLJrm3aR8m2kIhrt1aHBf3njB7KD9d70jXprDh7LYyoD6BlZOSFKMSelULNCkR06EvKg4bm5Hlj2kT9gzHObAbHnS4Dy725pF6f0MSjGs0nuvyw3P701B8pbREOy%2BFwa7KynI7p%2F%2FDZSd3NLb8aiylmIQvuIxdA2jf9NKjtjNK4OtBGLPK1kCinJtpG3edC%2Bg3zcgF%2BfyYqsWzgdaR5BLc7eWvxDvDJVYrc9GagH52%2BXriCUj815vLusAYJ4MLBZEf4SumlXsAzKamOO1YHDdAY5XcZWlbJj4%2BbUDYGiVYVey5jbU4p6AR07GBD1NZ9VxtZLXu3%2BrEvbDjS062zfupJn1OsyqxjkXo4S94QVavnXzvg%2BlbUU6igkijeh8tFnsqvD9YBuGYX5BkjQbg7rxOMS9orHpRd28wEsc%2BFknJ71Lz6aCnlB4RpAZbiHprxzhMYckTqYLMAMhmYF92p5vdMYFd9gFN7jkUHKQPMgwjpZpGHrg3UeEEMrPI%2FlDEtwSC0tQBwpD4phxoid3H8rPCpQ3eavJ7UwJUNfXV5k5unTOHwY%2BxT0TTtCCfqMJXqRNMNJkokBK375vCSohk1GexkbC7vvHsB2jB6fh6sjqYTUk4JuzulLDCGrCvZaKBAW9PF8L4%2F%2BDs1N20TwMxOhigqK0TPCWMRT0CPP5lk%2BiqRoJcY0jxsLoQ%2ByEoxMik5Mf5jqeAbaFw6Sg9lXG45gGwa7JiO3kQ7W6reG3LKEMsC2kmLq8q%2BtL%2FvK9aA0gP9in9SIXNZr%2Bh40fnoMD4rS%2Bpki8If24eqaAsA75pDMYNjIgFr85VGRhiHR3g7ymKQ3%2BHET6pyCnW0pt677L6Ggah3K%2BrNu1BSYjdMm3dfFPTWvNtdFRfaBNIweNSEM=25399759335250961bc599bf4c1a8a1422d41778b250
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
> On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk > wrote: > > > >> On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Peter Corlett via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 06:30:10PM +, Henk Gooijen via cctalk wrote: >> ... >>> Only UPS did … and yes, the “horror” stories *are* true. They managed to >>> drop >>> the package. Not from 4 inches above ground, but more, because a *steel >>> corner* had a dent! >> >> Hence that old joke: "If being air dropped out of a C-130 into a minefield >> constitutes 'moderately rough handling', what constitutes 'very rough >> handling'?" "Being shipped UPS". > > I'm reminded of a legendary story from a long time ago, of a DEC disk being > air-shipped to a customer. RP03? Not sure, but something of that size class. > > The story was that the shipping company hadn't strapped it down properly, so > when the plane applied takeoff power, the drive slid backwards in the cargo > hold. Fast enough to exit the hold through the airplane skin, landing on the > runway with a nice bounce. > > The drive was taken back to Maynard, where it was observed that the corner of > the frame was badly bent. The techs propped it up on a cinder block and > turned the drive on; it worked fine. > > Sure sounds like a fairy tale, but it's a fun one. Friend who owned a larger regional ISP back in the day bought a new Ascend MAX. It shipped UPS and arrived with a perfect boot print on the side of the box. To this day we still make jokes about UPS playing soccer with the package. (Semi-related side story; A few months after installation, the Max started dropping calls on one line card. Ascend refused to RMA it because it passed diagnostics. They went back and forth over for a week or so until one day their sysadmin had enough; He calmly removed the card from the chassis and, with an Ascend tech on speakerphone, smashed the thing to bits with a hammer. “Oh, it just failed. Won’t pass diagnostics anymore.” He got his RMA number. The replacement card worked without issue for the next several years.)
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
> On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Peter Corlett via cctalk > wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 06:30:10PM +, Henk Gooijen via cctalk wrote: > ... >> Only UPS did … and yes, the “horror” stories *are* true. They managed to drop >> the package. Not from 4 inches above ground, but more, because a *steel >> corner* had a dent! > > Hence that old joke: "If being air dropped out of a C-130 into a minefield > constitutes 'moderately rough handling', what constitutes 'very rough > handling'?" "Being shipped UPS". I'm reminded of a legendary story from a long time ago, of a DEC disk being air-shipped to a customer. RP03? Not sure, but something of that size class. The story was that the shipping company hadn't strapped it down properly, so when the plane applied takeoff power, the drive slid backwards in the cargo hold. Fast enough to exit the hold through the airplane skin, landing on the runway with a nice bounce. The drive was taken back to Maynard, where it was observed that the corner of the frame was badly bent. The techs propped it up on a cinder block and turned the drive on; it worked fine. Sure sounds like a fairy tale, but it's a fun one. paul
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 06:30:10PM +, Henk Gooijen via cctalk wrote: > A few weeks ago I shipped approx 39 kilos from The Netherlands to USA (HP > A990). At least in Holland, most shippers do not accept such heavy stuff (max > 30 kilos). Yeah, well, "dat kan niet" *is* the Dutch motto. I'm surprised it's not on the passport. > Only UPS did … and yes, the “horror” stories *are* true. They managed to drop > the package. Not from 4 inches above ground, but more, because a *steel > corner* had a dent! Hence that old joke: "If being air dropped out of a C-130 into a minefield constitutes 'moderately rough handling', what constitutes 'very rough handling'?" "Being shipped UPS".
Re: RL02s not available
> I assume these are the ones you were going to bring out > here a few years ago? Didn't you tell me you lost interest? -- Will
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
The automated package sorting I'm told includes dropping packages from one conveyor belt to another, and stuff can fall up to 6ft (though more likely when something gets clogged/jammed up and packages fall off of the conveyor system). 39kg/90lbs is heavy enough that it probably should be palletized/crated and go freight. I'd probably pick a postal service, or DHL as my first pick for shipping ~50lb internationally. Pat On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:30 PM Henk Gooijen via cctalk wrote: > > A few weeks ago I shipped approx 39 kilos from The Netherlands to USA (HP > A990). > At least in Holland, most shippers do not accept such heavy stuff (max 30 > kilos). > > Only UPS did … and yes, the “horror” stories *are* true. They managed to drop > the package. > > Not from 4 inches above ground, but more, because a *steel corner* had a dent! > > I thought I packed it well (enough), but my advice is: using UPS you cannot > get it packed well enough ☹ > > > > > > > Van: cctalk namens Steven Stengel via cctalk > > Verzonden: Thursday, August 22, 2019 7:31:46 PM > Aan: Cc > Onderwerp: Shipping from Europe to USA > > How do I ship a 50 pound computer from Europe to the United States? Who has > good rates? > Thanks- > Steve > >
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:31:46AM -0700, Steven Stengel via cctalk wrote: > How do I ship a 50 pound computer from Europe to the United States? Who has > good rates? "Europe" contains so many diverse states and cultures that you're going to have to be a bit more precise about where in the 4 million square miles of Europe it is. A country would be a good start, but a province or city would be better if it's a large country. Likewise, it can matter which US state it's being delivered to. You will also need to be more precise about the weight, since "50 pound" sounds like an estimate. In particular, 50lb is 22.7kg, and a common price band is "under 20kg", so if you can shave 2.7kg off it, you'll save money. To give a guideline price from the local incumbent, PostNL will charge €105.30 to shift a 20kg "pakket" (no larger than 1m×50cm×50cm) from the Netherlands to the USA. If it's 20.001kg, they'll tell you to get knotted with your overweight package as they'll only do up to 30kg within Europe. "About a hundred" is also in line with quotes I had for shipping ~20kg from London to Houston a few years back. It's possible that you can find somebody who is prepared to forfeit their hold space on an international flight and take their personal stuff in hand luggage. Baggage handlers can be clumsy, thieving little buggers, but they're still nowhere near as awful as couriers.
RE: Shipping from Europe to USA
A few weeks ago I shipped approx 39 kilos from The Netherlands to USA (HP A990). At least in Holland, most shippers do not accept such heavy stuff (max 30 kilos). Only UPS did … and yes, the “horror” stories *are* true. They managed to drop the package. Not from 4 inches above ground, but more, because a *steel corner* had a dent! I thought I packed it well (enough), but my advice is: using UPS you cannot get it packed well enough ☹ Van: cctalk namens Steven Stengel via cctalk Verzonden: Thursday, August 22, 2019 7:31:46 PM Aan: Cc Onderwerp: Shipping from Europe to USA How do I ship a 50 pound computer from Europe to the United States? Who has good rates? Thanks- Steve
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
On 8/22/2019 11:31 AM, Steven Stengel via cctalk wrote: How do I ship a 50 pound computer from Europe to the United States? Who has good rates? Thanks- Steve Well good packing would double the weight, and how fast do you/they need it? Ben.
Re: RL02s not available
I assume these are the ones you were going to bring out here a few years ago? On 8/22/19 10:05 AM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: > RLs are spoken for! > > -- > Will >
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RE: PDP-11/34's with Octal Programmers Console (Model A or C) and the rest of the peripherals; etc.
Hi Scott, We do not have any of these. Best of luck to you! Cindy Croxton -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mr. Scott J. Stockwell via cctalk Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 10:20 AM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: PDP-11/34's with Octal Programmers Console (Model A or C) and the rest of the peripherals; etc. Importance: High Hi Jim, Do you still have any systems and/or peripherals left? I'm looking for a PDP-11/34 Model A or C (Preferably C) with the Octal Programmers Console and Digital Display along with peripherals. Please let me know what you have. Would you be willing to accept monthly payments because I'm a disabled vet and get paid within the first week of each month? I have a pickup truck and I'm coming from the Cleburne, TX area. Would be willing to meet you half way. Looking forward to your reply. Most sincere and all the best, Scott --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: OT: shortening eBay URLSs (Was: IBM PT-2
One further note on shortening eBay links. A few months ago, eBay made it harder to use links to ended auctions, because it will (sometimes? often?) automatically redirect you to some active auctions that it deems to be similar. If you add ?nordt=true_cvip=true=nc to the end, it will stay on the auction you asked for, even if it has ended. That is: https://www.ebay.com/itm/283576035281?nordt=true_cvip=true=nc should continue to point to this auction (for 90 days or so at least) even after the listing is closed. I am not 100% sure that all of the parameters there are required, I only know that it works with rt, nordt, and orig_cvip there. I think I tried removing one or more and it stopped working, but I was not systematic, since, well, I didn't really care. This is what I use in the show notes of the Retrocomputing Roundtable episodes, since odds are good that auctions we talk about there will have ended by the time people try the links. In the context of cctalk, this might be useful for pointing to auctions that are interesting to look at, rather than to auctions that people might want to participate in (since in that latter case, ended auctions stop being interesting). -Paul > On Aug 21, 2019, at 11:45 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > A small off-topic trivial tip: > That URL can be reduced to: > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/253997593352 > > From 18 lines to 1, losing almost a thousand extraneous chracters. > (The stuff between itm/ and /auction number is not needed for the URL, nor is > the '?' and anything following.) > While the description before the auction number may be useful, the appended > stuff on the end isn't. > > > On Thu, 22 Aug 2019, Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk wrote: > >> Anyone know anything about this?? >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-1980-IBM-PT-2-Computer-Hall-Effect-Magnet-Keyboard-w-Program-Test-Manuals/253997593352?hash=item3b236fb308&_trkparms=ispr%3D1=AQAEAAADIKvsXIZtBqdkfsZsMtzFbFsbX3WcW5fmB%2Fx7ZbaZTyexIhK7W9VLgW%2BiANqra5tcLfLUvucq%2FWwy3JSlehkVi0H0TnsZ9x3lnT4M%2FNK0I23zl7BNBUVztS8698RExuOgZcHXO6v7FRUK%2BTMxC2BELPLkgdRvpFWMB9BbXQW1zu7SXs5SoLJrm3aR8m2kIhrt1aHBf3njB7KD9d70jXprDh7LYyoD6BlZOSFKMSelULNCkR06EvKg4bm5Hlj2kT9gzHObAbHnS4Dy725pF6f0MSjGs0nuvyw3P701B8pbREOy%2BFwa7KynI7p%2F%2FDZSd3NLb8aiylmIQvuIxdA2jf9NKjtjNK4OtBGLPK1kCinJtpG3edC%2Bg3zcgF%2BfyYqsWzgdaR5BLc7eWvxDvDJVYrc9GagH52%2BXriCUj815vLusAYJ4MLBZEf4SumlXsAzKamOO1YHDdAY5XcZWlbJj4%2BbUDYGiVYVey5jbU4p6AR07GBD1NZ9VxtZLXu3%2BrEvbDjS062zfupJn1OsyqxjkXo4S94QVavnXzvg%2BlbUU6igkijeh8tFnsqvD9YBuGYX5BkjQbg7rxOMS9orHpRd28wEsc%2BFknJ71Lz6aCnlB4RpAZbiHprxzhMYckTqYLMAMhmYF92p5vdMYFd9gFN7jkUHKQPMgwjpZpGHrg3UeEEMrPI%2FlDEtwSC0tQBwpD4phxoid3H8rPCpQ3eavJ7UwJUNfXV5k5unTOHwY%2BxT0TTtCCfqMJXqRNMNJkokBK375vCSohk1GexkbC7vvHsB2jB6fh6sjqYTUk4JuzulLDCGrCvZaKBAW9PF8L4%2F%2BDs1N20TwMxOhigqK0TPCWMRT0CPP5lk%2BiqRoJcY0jxsLoQ%2ByEoxMik5Mf5jqeAbaFw6Sg9lXG45gGwa7JiO3kQ7W6reG3LKEMsC2kmLq8q%2BtL%2FvK9aA0gP9in9SIXNZr%2Bh40fnoMD4rS%2Bpki8If24eqaAsA75pDMYNjIgFr85VGRhiHR3g7ymKQ3%2BHET6pyCnW0pt677L6Ggah3K%2BrNu1BSYjdMm3dfFPTWvNtdFRfaBNIweNSEM=25399759335250961bc599bf4c1a8a1422d41778b250
Shipping from Europe to USA
How do I ship a 50 pound computer from Europe to the United States? Who has good rates? Thanks- Steve
bit-slice and microcode discussion list
On another mailing list, someone asked if there was any list specifically about bit-slice design and microcoding. I don't know of one, so I've created a new mailing list specifically for those topics: http://lists.brouhaha.com/mailman/listinfo/bit-slicers The intent is for the list to cover technical discussion of bit-slice hardware design and/or microcoding. In other words, discussion of microcoding that doesn't use bit-slice hardware is fine.
Re: RL02s available
On 8/22/19 12:46 PM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: > I have a pair of RL02 drives available, and can bring them to VCFmw in > about three weeks. Pretty cheap. Untested. > > Contact me off list. > > -- > Will > Where are they now? Allison
RL02s not available
RLs are spoken for! -- Will
PDP-11/34's with Octal Programmers Console (Model A or C) and the rest of the peripherals; etc.
Hi Jim, Do you still have any systems and/or peripherals left? I'm looking for a PDP-11/34 Model A or C (Preferably C) with the Octal Programmers Console and Digital Display along with peripherals. Please let me know what you have. Would you be willing to accept monthly payments because I'm a disabled vet and get paid within the first week of each month? I have a pickup truck and I'm coming from the Cleburne, TX area. Would be willing to meet you half way. Looking forward to your reply. Most sincere and all the best, Scott
RL02s available
I have a pair of RL02 drives available, and can bring them to VCFmw in about three weeks. Pretty cheap. Untested. Contact me off list. -- Will
Re: DEC Scalps
On 8/22/19 4:31 AM, Paul Birkel via cctalk wrote: > DEC TU58 status/diag. Panel wrong they are for the TC08
KE11-A craze (Was: Current MANX location)
> KE11-A Field Maintenance Print Set > http://manx-docs.org/details.php/1,9358 Speaking of KE11-A's, does anyone know what's behind the bidding wars on recent eBay KE11-A component board listings, e.g.: https://www.ebay.com/itm/372685033144 AFAIK, the boards (a complete set is an M7210, M7211, M827, and two M234's) are pretty useless without the custom backplane, so do some people have such, or do they not know they need the backplane, or what? I do have a couple of BB11's (they came in an old custom interface I bought), and the KE11-A FMPS includes the backplane wiring, so if I were interested enough to devote the time to wiring a replacement backplane, I could probably get one running, but they aren't _that_ interesting... Noel
DEC Scalps
https://www.ebay.com/itm/312738923353 Sez: "Older DEC PDP console face-plates DEC PDP 11/55 rare, PDP 8-straight 8 'glass'rare, PDP 8/L, PDP 8/I, DEC TU58 status/diag. Panel . All in goodshape. $1000 for the lot or $200 apiece. " -
KE11-B manuals (Was: Current MANX location)
> KE11-B Field Maintenance Print Set > http://manx-docs.org/details.php/1,9361 > the KE11-B I also just found (IIRC, on one of the collections they list > as indexed). Oh, speaking of KE11-B's, does anyone have either the Technical or User's manual for it (I couldn't locate either)? It appears to be a program-compatible re-implementation of the KE11-A, on a single hex board, but it'd be nice to confirm that, and find out more about it. E.g. does it go in a MUD slot? (Yes, with the prints, I could eventually work out the answers to most questions - the prints do contain the PROM contents - but I'm lazy... :-) Noel
Re: IBM PT-2
I can confirm that this is a CE tool. From what I remember they where used mainly by CEs in the GSD division. The large grey lump to the left of the PT-2 is a channel adapter used for monitoring 370 channels. The black box on the lower right is a coax switch and not part of a PT-2. They where mainly used for monitoring communication lines and at the time when I saw one in use for that, 40 years ago, it had the advantage of being able to decode the Bisync or SDLC protocol right on the machine rather than having to send the data off to have it analyzed. I recall that there was an attachment with multiple types of connectors for communication lines along with indicator lights for important signals. Missing from the pictures is the external monitor and tape cartridges that contained the programs for the machine. There was also a later version of this machine that had a built in LCD display. Paul. On 2019-08-22 12:37 a.m., William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: I think this was a CE tool used with machines with the UC processor. My info is pretty sketchy... -- Will On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 11:29 PM Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk wrote: Anyone know anything about this?? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-1980-IBM-PT-2-Computer-Hall-Effect-Magnet-Keyboard-w-Program-Test-Manuals/253997593352?hash=item3b236fb308&_trkparms=ispr%3D1=AQAEAAADIKvsXIZtBqdkfsZsMtzFbFsbX3WcW5fmB%2Fx7ZbaZTyexIhK7W9VLgW%2BiANqra5tcLfLUvucq%2FWwy3JSlehkVi0H0TnsZ9x3lnT4M%2FNK0I23zl7BNBUVztS8698RExuOgZcHXO6v7FRUK%2BTMxC2BELPLkgdRvpFWMB9BbXQW1zu7SXs5SoLJrm3aR8m2kIhrt1aHBf3njB7KD9d70jXprDh7LYyoD6BlZOSFKMSelULNCkR06EvKg4bm5Hlj2kT9gzHObAbHnS4Dy725pF6f0MSjGs0nuvyw3P701B8pbREOy%2BFwa7KynI7p%2F%2FDZSd3NLb8aiylmIQvuIxdA2jf9NKjtjNK4OtBGLPK1kCinJtpG3edC%2Bg3zcgF%2BfyYqsWzgdaR5BLc7eWvxDvDJVYrc9GagH52%2BXriCUj815vLusAYJ4MLBZEf4SumlXsAzKamOO1YHDdAY5XcZWlbJj4%2BbUDYGiVYVey5jbU4p6AR07GBD1NZ9VxtZLXu3%2BrEvbDjS062zfupJn1OsyqxjkXo4S94QVavnXzvg%2BlbUU6igkijeh8tFnsqvD9YBuGYX5BkjQbg7rxOMS9orHpRd28wEsc%2BFknJ71Lz6aCnlB4RpAZbiHprxzhMYckTqYLMAMhmYF92p5vdMYFd9gFN7jkUHKQPMgwjpZpGHrg3UeEEMrPI%2FlDEtwSC0tQBwpD4phxoid3H8rPCpQ3eavJ7UwJUNfXV5k5unTOHwY%2BxT0TTtCCfqMJXqRNMNJkokBK375vCSohk1GexkbC7vvHsB2jB6fh6sjqYTUk4JuzulLDCGrCvZaKBAW9PF8L4%2F%2BDs1N20TwMxOhigqK0TPCWMRT0CPP5lk%2BiqRoJcY0jxsLoQ%2ByEoxMik5Mf5jqeAbaFw6Sg9lXG45gGwa7JiO3kQ7W6reG3LKEMsC2kmLq8q%2BtL%2FvK9aA0gP9in9SIXNZr%2Bh40fnoMD4rS%2Bpki8If24eqaAsA75pDMYNjIgFr85VGRhiHR3g7ymKQ3%2BHET6pyCnW0pt677L6Ggah3K%2BrNu1BSYjdMm3dfFPTWvNtdFRfaBNIweNSEM=25399759335250961bc599bf4c1a8a1422d41778b250
Re: OT: shortening eBay URLSs (Was: IBM PT-2
I apologize for the URL... and the subsequent tangent. Sorry, that was just a sloppy copy-and-paste. From: cctalk on behalf of Steve Malikoff via cctalk Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 10:23 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: OT: shortening eBay URLSs (Was: IBM PT-2 Guy said > Or to just the item number: > 253997593352 > > Assuming your browser is going to expand typing eb to ebay.com, then you > enter the item number in the ebay search box. > > Guy > > At 08:45 PM 21/08/2019 -0700, you wrote: >>A small off-topic trivial tip: >>That URL can be reduced to: >> >>https://www.ebay.com/itm/253997593352 Entering 'ebay 253997593352' into a search engine also works for me. Steve
