[cctalk] Re: Knockoffs, was: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-15 Thread Ethan O'Toole via cctalk
If you posted your design as Open Source, someone else producing it isn't a knockoff, it's the system working as intended. -- Chris I remember a talk by LadyADA of Adafruit at HOPE about starting a company making open source hardware and success and all that. It's easy if you have the

[cctalk] Re: Persci 299 drives - park heads/lock?

2023-03-15 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 11:48 AM Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: > On 3/14/23 22:55, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > > I am working on an unknown status Persci 299 drive and one of the two > > drives is locked closed. Is this a "park" of some kind or is the drive > > broken? If it's a parked drive

[cctalk] Re: Visiting the computer history museum (chm)

2023-03-15 Thread ebruchez--- via cctalk
I just wanted to say that the CHM is great. The exhibits are wonderfully done, and yes, don't miss the 1401 demo if you can. But there is a lot, starting with Hollerith machines and ENIAC panels all the way to more contemporary items. -Erik

[cctalk] Re: Visiting the computer history museum (chm)

2023-03-15 Thread Tarek Hoteit via cctalk
Will do ! Thank you Regards, Tarek Hoteit > On Mar 15, 2023, at 9:37 AM, ebruchez--- via cctalk > wrote: > > I just wanted to say that the CHM is great. The exhibits are wonderfully > done, and yes, don't miss the 1401 demo if you can. But there is a lot, > starting with Hollerith

[cctalk] Re: Knockoffs, was: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-15 Thread Peter Corlett via cctalk
On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 09:16:02PM +, Jonathan Chapman via cctalk wrote: [...] > It's nice to support the designers in some capacity, but buying knockoffs > fuels the ecosystem that creates knockoffs. With our stuff, it's never > been that a single knockoff operation eats our lunch, it's that

[cctalk] Re: Persci 299 drives - park heads/lock?

2023-03-15 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 3/14/23 22:55, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: I am working on an unknown status Persci 299 drive and one of the two drives is locked closed. Is this a "park" of some kind or is the drive broken? If it's a parked drive (only the drive 0 side) how do you unpark the drive? I can't seem to find

[cctalk] Re: Knockoffs, was: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-15 Thread Jim Brain via cctalk
On 3/15/2023 10:05 AM, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk wrote: If you posted your design as Open Source, someone else producing it isn't a knockoff, it's the system working as intended.  -- Chris I remember a talk by LadyADA of Adafruit at HOPE about starting a company making open source hardware

[cctalk] Power supply for DEC VK100 GIGI?

2023-03-15 Thread Robert Armstrong via cctalk
A friend gave me a DEC VK100 (aka GiGi) recently. It's in really nice shape, but it is missing the power supply. Before I try to kludge something up with an ATX supply, I thought I'd ask if anybody knows where I might find an official replacement. Thanks, Bob

[cctalk] Solaris books claimed

2023-03-15 Thread Todd Pisek via cctalk
They have a new home

[cctalk] Re: mainframe vs mini

2023-03-15 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 4:11 PM Rich Alderson via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > The term "minicomputer" was marketing speak: The first computer to > receive the > appellation was the PDP-8/e, which was the third generation of the PDP-8 > family > (where the PDP-5 is "generation

[cctalk] Re: Power supply for DEC VK100 GIGI?

2023-03-15 Thread Dennis Boone via cctalk
> A friend gave me a DEC VK100 (aka GiGi) recently. It's in really nice > shape, but it is missing the power supply. Before I try to kludge > something up with an ATX supply, I thought I'd ask if anybody knows > where I might find an official replacement. The board in the supply is an Astec,

[cctalk] Solaris Internals & Performance books

2023-03-15 Thread Todd Pisek via cctalk
I no longer have a use for the following 2 books. Free for the taking. Solaris Internals: Solaris 10 and Opensolaris Solaris Performance and tools Email me at: tpisek at pobox dot com

[cctalk] Re: mainframe vs mini

2023-03-15 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Mar 15, 2023, at 6:55 PM, Rich Alderson via cctalk > wrote: > > ... >> (another notion is that mainframes are "multi-user" -- most early >> microcomputers were not multi-user, as they just barely supported the needs >> of one user; I'm not sure if the very first minicomputers were

[cctalk] Re: mainframe vs mini

2023-03-15 Thread Rich Alderson via cctalk
Jumping in late because the list blew up so badly on this topic. Yes, others have already commented on these things, but I'll add my US$0.02 worth anyway. > Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2023 16:00:05 -0600 > From: Steve Lewis via cctalk > Actually, to answer my own question: if "main frame" refers to the

[cctalk] Re: Knockoffs, was: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-15 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Mar 14, 2023, at 10:57 PM, Jonathan Chapman via cctalk > wrote: > >> If you posted your design as Open Source, someone else producing it isn't a >> knockoff, it's the system working as intended. > > What is it when the design is open source, but they're not complying with the > terms

[cctalk] Re: mainframe vs mini

2023-03-15 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
On Mar 15, 2023, at 3:55 PM, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote: > > The term "minicomputer" was marketing speak: The first computer to receive > the > appellation was the PDP-8/e, which was the third generation of the PDP-8 > family > (where the PDP-5 is "generation zero"). The first

[cctalk] Re: mainframe vs mini

2023-03-15 Thread Rich Alderson via cctalk
Still catching up. > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 06:39:16 + > From: Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk > I believe the term minicomputer was first applied to the PDP-8. It was kind > of retroactively applied going back to the PDP-1. Whether the PDP-10 is a > mini is sometimes hotly debated. IBM people

[cctalk] Re: mainframe vs mini

2023-03-15 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 3/15/23 18:32, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: Apart from spooling, which uncouples slow I/O from execution, there is also "multiprogramming", which means being able to run more than one job concurrently. Timesharing does that, of course, but I think multiprogramming was intended to refer

[cctalk] Re: Power supply for DEC VK100 GIGI?

2023-03-15 Thread bob--- via cctalk
P.S. Oh, and no - I don't have the subchassis for the supply, nor the fan, switch, IEC inlet or any of that fancy stuff.

[cctalk] Re: mainframe vs mini

2023-03-15 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> On 3/15/23 18:32, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > Apart from spooling, which uncouples slow I/O from execution, there is > also "multiprogramming", which means being able to run more than one > job concurrently.  Timesharing does that, of course, but I think > multiprogramming was intended to

[cctalk] Re: Power supply for DEC VK100 GIGI?

2023-03-15 Thread bob--- via cctalk
Thanks for the picture. AFAIK this supply wasn't used in anything other than the VK100 so that's the only source for a direct replacement. Kludging something up with a modern supply looks fairly easy; there's plenty of room in there, but it will be ugly. Don't know what I'll do about the

[cctalk] Re: Power supply for DEC VK100 GIGI?

2023-03-15 Thread Dennis Boone via cctalk
> Kludging something up with a modern supply looks fairly easy; there's > plenty of room in there, but it will be ugly. Don't know what I'll > do about the fan, but the VK100 logic itself probably doesn't need a > fan so whatever is built into the ATX will be enough. At least the ATX won't

[cctalk] Re: Power supply for DEC VK100 GIGI?

2023-03-15 Thread Glen Slick via cctalk
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 7:25 PM bob--- via cctalk wrote: > > P.S. Oh, and no - I don't have the subchassis for the supply, nor the fan, > switch, IEC inlet or any of that fancy stuff. Maybe something like a MEAN WELL RPT-60B open frame power supply would be easier to fit into the enclosure

[cctalk] Re: Knockoffs, was: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-15 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
I have been thinking about this discussion: I bought one of the cheap 8 channel units on Ebay and downloaded the Salee software. It works extremely well for debugging logic issues on my pdp8/L's but it has a few issues: The buffer size is miniscule, and I get data overruns at higher sample

[cctalk] Re: IBM 5110 external IO (was Re: Low cost logic analyzer)

2023-03-15 Thread Steve Lewis via cctalk
> This is easy since it is an I/O bus. The instructions are GETB, PUTB, STAT > and CTRL. In any case the corresponding control line is asserted. > This means, a PUTB will put the device address on the X/Y lines, the data > byte onto the Bus Out lines, and assert Put Strobe. > Oh yes, one

[cctalk] Re: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-15 Thread Martin Bishop via cctalk
A brief description of "built-in" FPGA logic analysers seems worthwhile, a valuable if non-trivial option. Most FPGA vendors provide IP to implement in vivo logic analysers organically in the FPGA fabric. Additionally, they provide a GUI to display / capture the data and to interactively

[cctalk] DEC DF03-AA Modem Documentation

2023-03-15 Thread Paul Birkel via cctalk
The DEC DF02 (300 Baud) and DF03 (300/1200 Baud) modems appear to be singularly lacking in online documentation. In the case of the DF03 those would be: EK-ODF03-IP - DF03 Illustrated Parts Breakdown EK-ODF03-PS - DF03 Modem Pocket Service Guide EK-ODF03-UG - DF03 Modem Users Guide Similarly for