On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 12:48 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> >> Where would you fit the Tandy Model 100 in here? Ultimately it
> >> supported a disk drive, ran basic and also sported an expansion box
> >> that included video support and a floppy.
>
> On Fri, 3 May 2024, Bill Gunshannon via
On Fri, May 10, 2024, 3:38 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Microsoft had to pay $120 million, and Stac had to pay $13.6 million.
> But Microsoft also settled some claims out of court with a $39.9 million
> dollar investment in Stac, and paid $43 million in royalties.
> Yes, billg had a bad
On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 1:36 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> On Fri, 10 May 2024, Stuff Received via cctalk wrote:
> > I recall that MS sold a Pascal compiler, possibly from someone else. It
> was
> > very slow and buggy. I heard a story that to speed up disc access, MS
> put
> >
The weird noise at the beginning is confusing. Sounds like it starts off
on a street somewhere.
Sellam
On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 10:03 PM Jeffrey Brace via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> The Vintage Computer Federation is looking for a new bumper to add to the
> front and back of all
On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 10:36 AM Patrick Finnegan via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> There was some movie magic, so no running version of promis. I did the
> screen design myself for the TVI 950 based on pictures of screens running
> the software that Christian and Zach provided.
>
>
On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 11:59 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On 5/6/24 11:28, Wayne S via cctalk wrote:
> > You do need a very strong magnet. I’ve put 3.5 floppies on top of a mag
> tape demagnitizer ( not technically called that, but you know what i mean)
> and it had
On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 11:03 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> People are strange--and interesting.
>
> --Chuck
>
But mostly strange :D
Sellam
On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 2:48 PM Liam Proven via cctalk
wrote:
>
> I failed _O_ level mathematics, and to get onto a science degree
> course, I had to do another 6 months of remedial maths just to get me
> through the exam. To be told "easy if you did the A level" would have
> made me angrily walk
On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 10:20 AM Jonathan Chapman via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> > First, in general, there are so many apparent reviews of so many
> products, it is hard to believe they are all scams. How can there be enough
> fools to buy enough of those products to have that many
On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 10:51 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> The thing that many audiophiles fail to grasp is that there's a
> difference between listening and hearing. The fact is that I'm just as
> content listening to a recording of an old scratchy 78 with, say,
On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 6:54 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
> On 5/3/24 18:30, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> > PL/M (think "PL/1") was a high level programming language for
> > microprocessors.
>
> Notable that a subset of PL/I was marketed for CP/M around 1981 or so.
>
> I've heard from some
alk@classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 26 Apr 2024, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
> > > It really is a momentous event, and should be properly honored and
> > > celebrated. Wow, half a century.
> > > Thanks for bringing this up.
> >
> > Is this h
On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 1:03 PM Joshua Rice via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> I'm a youngster when it comes to this hobby, being manufactured myself
> in the early years of the 90's. As such i cannot really quote from my
...
>
> Thanks for reading my TED talk,
>
> Josh Rice
>
Nice
On Fri, May 10, 2024, 7:53 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
> There's a third class that I haven't (yet) mentioned. Design a machine
> to solve a particular problem or class of problems. Saxpy was such a
> machine; we have bitcoin ASICs and our latest AI ventures.
>
> What was the CM-1
On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 5:09 PM Wayne S via cctalk
wrote:
> Fyi, if you have small hands you can get work as a hand model. E.G.
> Holding a bottle of liquor makes it look big.
>
I think that also works in porn.
I played Steve Wozniak's hands in the A Biography of the same (circa
2002-2003?)
On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 10:58 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> Are Wacom CTE-430 tablets worth anything?
>
> bill
>
Bill,
eBay is good for gauging interest and pricing out stuff like this. Recent
sales there show there is at least general interest, and they
On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 4:52 PM Ali via cctalk
wrote:
> > Why are you paying for postage as an eBay seller? Buyer paying postage
> > is the standard.
> >
>
> I think Bill is just being a decent guy and saying that it would cost more
> to ship it out then the item would cost/be bought for (i.e.
On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 12:33 PM CAREY SCHUG via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> --does anybody want to comment on whether ebay prices are less, similar,
> or greater than at live VCFs? I have not made the effort to collect
> history.
>
It depends, usually less. Sometimes the same
On Fri, Mar 29, 2024, 4:07 PM Just Kant via cctalk
wrote:
> Electronics, robotics, lasers. 10 in all. Overall comdition 6 or so out of
> 10. 50$ + shipping. NJ.
You really should post the titles. It's only ten.
Sellam
On Wed, Mar 27, 2024, 12:48 PM Jonathan Chapman via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> All,
>
> I'm looking for a Cromemco System Zero, doesn't matter if it's empty or
> not. Please contact me off-list if you have one to sell/trade or know of
> one!
>
> Thanks,
> Jonathan
>
I had no idea
Has anyone communicated with or know a way to communicate with Joe Rigdon
out of Florida? Most here should know him as an old-school ClassicCmp
veteran.
If anyone has any information at all on the whereabouts of Joe Rigdon, and
for that matter John Lawson, please either reply here or to me
On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 2:25 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > It depends on the model. Typically an Apple ][ of any model sells for
> > $100-$250, depending on accessories and configuration. Unless you have a
> > straight Apple ][ (and not Plus, as I'm
The point being that there are nigh endless forums for PC tech support but
there's only one ClassicCmp mailing list.
On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 12:43 PM Van Snyder via cctalk
wrote:
>
>
about him as they enjoyed
varying relationships with him but none have heard from him for 5+ years.
Thank you.
Sellam
On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 8:42 PM Tony Duell via cctalk
wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 1:48 AM Sellam Abraham via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> [Sent privately]
>
>
Um...
On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 1:45 PM Van Snyder via cctalk
wrote:
> I have a Dell Vostro.
>
> When I boot, the screen briefly flashes and then remains dark.
>
> I have another one on which the screen would stay lit for a minute or
> two, then go black. If I closed the lid and opened it, it
On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 7:18 PM Kevin Bowling via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> There is an ebay seller 'biff-howard-tanen' that has some C200s up
> right now. All their items have "Make an Offer'' and they tend to be
> fairly reasonable as long as you account for the free shipping
On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 4:29 PM Cameron Kaiser via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> >> Here's something operators of older systems might find useful.
> >>
> >> Allied Telesis CentreCOM 210TS Twisted Pair Transciever
> >> IEE 802.3 10 BASE-T (MAU)
> >>
> >> I have 14 used and
4/3/24 17:48, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
>
> [snip]
> > If anyone has any information at all on the whereabouts of Joe Rigdon,
> and
> > for that matter John Lawson, please either reply here or to me privately
> as
> > appropriate.
>
> Last contact info I h
On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 12:39 PM Zane Healy wrote:
> On Apr 3, 2024, at 5:48 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone communicated with or know a way to communicate with Joe Rigdon
> > out of Florida? Most here should know h
On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 10:20 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> Not really sure I want to get rid of them yet, but what do Apple II's
> go for nowadays? I have an Apple II with 2 Disk II's and a language
> card. I also have an Apple IIe with three external disk
"...blearrt-meelrp..."
Best audio-to-text descriptive ever.
Sellam
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 3:47 PM Jacob Ritorto via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Hi! Remember the blearrt-meelrp sounding seek oscillation noise
> that the RD54 makes when you turn it on -- after it
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024, 9:41 AM Rick Bensene via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Another trick was for drives whose read/write amplifiers (which were
> typically situated within the sealed chamber, thus not replaceable except
> in a clean-room facility) had become flakey, and the drive would start
> getting
When I was at the VCF SoCal last weekend I met a gentleman who was looking
for someone with Zilog Z180 assembly language experience. He says he needs
someone to rewrite code in what sounds like some kind of terminal server
product he sells(?) to convert the protocol it uses from Televideo format
On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 9:13 AM Mike Stein via cctalk
wrote:
> What I find a little sad is that the accounting machine world has been
> almost entirely ignored.
>
> The punched card batch processing systems such as IBM's 402/403/407
> machines and peripherals are documented and even still in
I am seeing this hobby growing beyond my own expectations, and a lot of
younger people are coming into it. Many people in their teens and twenties
are newly discovering the 8-bit computers with which I grew up. I had no
concept of computer history until I fell into the hobby, and was fascinated
On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 8:56 AM Tarek Hoteit via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Thank you, Josh. How did your passion start with classical computers?
> Maybe this helps in understanding the generation?
>
> Regards,
> Tarek Hoteit
>
I was 26 when I joined the list in 1997. I was a
On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 1:15 PM John Foust wrote:
> At 01:32 PM 5/22/2024, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
> >His and his wife
> >Gwen's (god rest her soul as well) personal collecting and the museum at
> >DEC was the basis for the Boston Computer Museum, which eff
On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 10:19 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> It's a slog, but if you can make it through Gordon Bell's book, "Computer
> Structures Readings and Examples" you realize Gordon is a "father of
> vintage computing", in addition to his involvement with the
On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 8:34 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On 5/24/24 07:57, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote:
>
> > (I could be mistaken about the mentioned 8008 device, but I think that
> was a training device, no?)
>
> Do your homewoork--the MCM-70 ran APL, had
On Fri, May 24, 2024, 2:45 AM Christian Corti via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 23 May 2024, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> > On 5/23/24 12:53, Dave Dunfield via cctalk wrote:
> >> First Personal Computer (long before IBM PC)
>
> This would go back to the 50s or earlier. The LGP-30 and
On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 9:45 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Just pointing out that "firsts" are very difficult.
...
> "First" is a tricky term, like "best".
>
> --Chuck
Yep, which is part of the canonical debate ;) This is why I and many
others in the hobby
Is it perhaps OBD--On-Board Diagnostics?
Sellam
On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 11:06 AM Wayne S via cctalk
wrote:
> The setup on the earlier monitors was sometimes call “ODB” , don‘t know
> why. Was equivalent to setup.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 20, 2024, at 11:02, Wayne S wrote:
> >
> >
On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 11:34 AM CAREY SCHUG wrote:
>
>
> On 05/28/2024 1:05 PM CDT Sellam Abraham wrote:
>
> What if a corporation in 1970 purchased an IBM 360 for each of their
> employees for their individual personal use? Now what?
>
> Sellam
>
> Thanks for carrying the proposition to the
On Wed, May 29, 2024, 6:49 AM CAREY SCHUG via cctalk
wrote:
> something can be BOTH a "personal computer" *AND* "industrial computer"
> (or whatever term you want to use)
>
So now you've incorporated "industrial" into the mix in order to extend
this stupid debate out even beyond the ridiculous
Gordon Bell was a real delightful man, and most unassuming. He was always
warm and friendly to everyone, and it was a pleasure and honor to have
known him.
Sellam
On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 7:07 AM Christian Liendo via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Ars Technica
>
>
On Fri, May 24, 2024, 5:48 PM Rich Alderson via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> And Sellam is simply wrong.
>
> Rich
>
You got your opinions, I got mine. And old Billy Boy has some skeletons in
his closet. Perhaps
On Sat, May 25, 2024, 8:14 AM Jon Elson via cctalk
wrote:
> On 5/24/24 11:49, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
> > The problem with this debate is that the definition of
> > Personal Computer is totally fluid and can be written so
> > that the writers opinion is fact.
>
> Yes, the Bendix G-15 was
On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 1:33 PM Rick Bensene via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>
> I'm just adding some thoughts to the discussion.
>
> Rick Bensene
> The Old Calculator Museum
> https://oldcalculatormuseum.com
Rick,
I always appreciate your incredibly informative contributions.
On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 5:16 PM Mike Katz via cctalk
wrote:
> You see, we are back to my original comment. The definition of Personal
> Computer is quite fluid. Does it have to be called a Personal Computer
> in advertising literature or does any computer that can be used by a
> single person,
On Sun, May 26, 2024, 12:37 AM Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mike Katz via cctalk
> > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2024 12:21 AM
> > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> > Cc: Mike
On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 11:05 AM CAREY SCHUG via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> Because ONE *developer* of the LINC used his position to take one home and
> use it the way we currently use "personal computers" does not mean EVERY
> OTHER LINC was also a personal computer. Did he pay
On Wed, Jun 5, 2024, 8:39 AM Will Cooke via cctalk
wrote:
>
> One simple question.
> If this "discussion" bothers you so much, why do you continue to drag it
> out?
>
> Thanks for making it all clear for me, though.
>
> Will
>
Perhaps you haven't noticed but I've actually been trying to end it
On Wed, Jun 5, 2024, 6:03 AM Will Cooke via cctalk
wrote:
>
> When the Jan 75 issue of Popular Electronics came out I was 9 years old.
> I didn't know the magazine existed, nor could I have afforded a
> subscription if I did. But I knew what computers were, and I knew I wanted
> one. But they
On Wed, Jun 5, 2024, 5:30 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk
wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It isn't personal if an ordinary person can't afford it.
> >
> >
> >
> that's an important distinction, affordability. You define personal
> computers to contain microprocessors, which made them affordable. The
>
What I have taken away from this whole now weeks-long debate is this:
Everything is a personal computer; and nothing is.
Sellam
On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 10:03 AM Joshua Rice via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> As someone once said "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, and
> they all stink."
>
> Josh Rice
>
Nothing but opinions and assholes around here ;)
Sellam
Come on by my warehouse, I'll hook you up to where you make Adrian look
like a rank amateur ;)
Sellam
On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 10:12 AM brianb1224 via cctalk
wrote:
> If I had his digital basement I would never come out.
>
On Wed, Jun 5, 2024, 8:33 AM Will Cooke via cctalk
wrote:
> no
>
> > On 06/05/2024 10:28 AM CDT Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > So, now we're adding the age of the buyer as an element of what defines a
>
On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 9:25 AM Joshua Rice via cctalk
wrote:
> Sellam,
>
> Adrian Black of Adrian's Digital Basement has a series on the Plexus
> machines ongoing at the moment.
>
> I'd highly suggest contacting him, as i'm sure he'd be very interested
> in adding to his collection.
>
> Josh
I refute your refutations thusly:
On Thu, Jun 6, 2024, 5:38 AM Liam Proven via cctalk
wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Jun 2024 at 05:10, Sellam Abraham via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> > If you ride a bus, where multiple random people get
> > on and off at various stops, it's not a "p
On Thu, Jun 6, 2024, 6:19 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk
wrote:
>
> > Ok, now you're back to cost. Your criteria keep changing. You cannot
> > give something meaning when the "something" keeps changing. This is why
> > you are refuted.
> >
> > I refute you, sir!
> >
> > Sellam
There's "personal
On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 3:25 PM Liam Proven via cctalk
wrote:
>
> If a device is not a microcomputer, it then must be either a
> minicomputer or a mainframe. Early on many mainframes didn't even
> support interactive sessions so they more or less disqualified
> themselves from being "personal" in
On Tue, May 28, 2024, 7:16 AM Paul Koning via cctalk
wrote:
>
> And that makes sense. Consider that cell phones have always clearly been
> personal phones, but the first ones were definitely not priced for the
> "average person", not by a long shot.
>
> paul
>
Are you comparing a
On Tue, May 28, 2024, 7:57 AM CAREY SCHUG via cctalk
wrote:
> I still return to.
>
> -->Who bought them?<--
>
What if Dad bought one for use by the entire family?
Sellam
On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 9:10 AM Christian Kennedy via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Not sure about that. We stuck a Nova 840, a couple of Diablo 30's, and
> assorted other bits and bobs in a 1960's Mustang, and I once dragged an
> Eclipse S/130, Diablo model 30, and a Hazeltine 2000
On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 8:29 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk
wrote:
> Still valid?
> Personal Computer Milestones - Fun page that attempts to answer the
> question: "What was the first PC?"
> http://www.blinkenlights.com/pc.shtml
That's Doug Salot's old website circa 2000. He did an admirable job
On Fri, Jun 7, 2024, 11:01 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk
wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2024, 12:39 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 8:29 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk <
> > cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> > wrote:
On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 7:43 AM Jon Elson via cctalk
wrote:
> On 6/7/24 20:42, Vincent Slyngstad via cctalk wrote:
> > On 6/7/2024 6:19 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
> >> OK, I have to chime in here. I worked for Artronix about
> >> 1972. The LINC computer was developed at MIT for use in
> >>
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