[cctalk] Re: Intel 4004

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

someone should build it in minecrsft

On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 7:01 PM ben via cctalk 
wrote:

> On 2023-11-20 5:36 p.m., Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote:
> > On Nov. 15, 1971 Intel commercially released the 4004 microprocessor
> which
> > some consider to be the first. Nonetheless, even if not in agreement, it
> > made possible the instrument which drives the classic-computing industry
> or
> > at the very least our hobby!
> >
> > Happy computing.
> >
> > Murray 
>
>
> https://retrocomputingforum.com/t/swiss-physicist-builds-complete-intel-4004-computer-out-of-smd-transistors/3738
> THE DIY VERSION
>
>

[cctalk] Re: Is the list broken again?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

i see u i hear u

On Thu, Jul 6, 2023 at 9:42 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
>
> I doubt this will go thru either but other attempts to send to the list are
>
> now getting rejected as SPAM.  Doesn't the list check addresses to see if
>
> the poster is a member?
>
>
> bill
>
>
>

[cctalk] Re: Station wagons (was: Re: Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.)

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

volvo 245 and mercedes w123 wagons were the best tanks for wgons

On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 6:51 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk 
wrote:

> On 6/1/23 16:43, Christian Kennedy via cctalk wrote:
> >
> > On 6/1/23 16:37, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
> >> I'm sorry but Audi does not make a lowly station wagon
> >
> > I don't know about that.  My wife's Q7 sure looks like a station wagon
> > to me.
> >
> Mike did say " lowly" station wagon.  For that matter, there's the
> Porsche Taycan Cross.
> The Volvo V90 Cross Country certainly does look like a wagon.
> As does the Mercedes E450 All-Terrain.
>
> Granted, none of them look like a Ford Country Squire, but progress...
>
> --Chuck
>
>

[cctalk] Re: do you have any western electric 498a diodes or know where I can get? Thanks ed sharpe

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

tube style?

On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 2:17 AM ED SHARPE via cctalk 
wrote:

> do you have any western electric 498a diodes or know where I can get?
> Thanks ed sharpe
>
> Sent from AOL on Android

[cctalk] Re: Wireless phone

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

Aww the mts phones still find a few places in the world that use em still

Had one at my cabin till that got shut down in 2006 here In manitoba.

Also got one of the ones sherritt exploration had with a range that would
reach to the operator in selkirk from lynn lake mb



On Mon, Apr 3, 2023, 8:23 a.m. Paul Koning via cctalk 
wrote:

> That would be cell phone, right?  Wireless phones have been around for
> much longer, but those earlier ones weren't cellular.  The key innovation
> is seamless handoff between cells, as opposed to the call being tied to a
> particular base station for the duration.
>
> paul
>
> > On Apr 3, 2023, at 9:15 AM, Murray McCullough via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > On April 3, 1973 the first wireless phone call was made and Moore’s Law
> has
> > now led to the smart-phone being ubiquitous to our lives: Computer
> > technology and cell phone technology marching hand-in-hand.
> >
> >
> > Happy computing and talking about it!
> >
> >
> > Murray 
>
>

[cctalk] Re: Vintage den

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

what site is that?

On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 6:17 PM Tarek Hoteit via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Oh yes it is so cool. We were talking about it with its owner IceBreaker
> on Mastodon https://mastodon.social/@particlesbbs/10730168329945
>
> Regards,
> Tarek Hoteit
>
> > On Mar 13, 2023, at 2:54 PM, Murray McCullough via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> >  Has anyone seen the latest on ArsTECHNICA journal on Brian Green’s
> > “deluxe home vintage computer den”? Does it bring back many fond memories
> > of the 70s and 80s. 
> >
> >
> >
> > Happy computing.
> >
> >
> >
> > Murray  
>

[cctalk] Re: Aging of unused CD-R media

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

faster they were written too the faster the fade ive noticed

On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 11:04 AM Zane Healy via cctalk 
wrote:

> I find myself wondering, how well does CD-R and DVD-R media that hasn’t
> been used age?  I have quite a bit of unused Verbatim DataLifePlus, as well
> as some other media that’s unused.
>
> For the most part, I don’t need it, but I can see a couple reasons I might
> want to burn some in the future, mainly to exchange data with older systems.
>
> Zane
>
>
>
>

[cctalk] Re: Rejected messages

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

We hear u loud and clear

On Sun., Jan. 22, 2023, 4:50 p.m. Ali via cctalk, 
wrote:

> > Since the switchover I am getting more and more of my messages
> > rejected as suspected SPAM.  Anyone else seeing this?
> >
> > bill
>
> Same here bill. I contacted the new list owner and the response was pretty
> much tough cookies
>
> -Ali
>
> p.s. It would be interesting to see if this one makes it through! LOL.
>
>

[cctalk] Re: PDP 8a front panel hardware

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

https://www.yeggi.com/q/pdp+8/

[cctalk] Re: PDP 8a front panel hardware

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

theres 3d print models made of them theres the orig design with does not
prit very well and a modified design thats better list forget where
might be buried on this site?
https://so-much-stuff.com/pdp8/repair/repair.php

On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 7:53 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Is there a 3D print gcode for the hardware that connects a PDP8a front
> panel to the chassis?
>
> Is there anyone who has a spare clips/clamps hardware to attach a PDP 8a
> console to the chassis?
>
> I picked up the donated PDP 8a mentioned earlier on this list, I got it up
> and running.  I need to track down the hardware to attach the front panel
> to the chassis.  I do have spares of the hardware that attaches the ON/OFF
> panel to the chassis.
>
> AS with all "free" donations it's the final mile that costs the big $$
>
> Thanks
>
> Bill
>

[cctalk] Re: Fwd: Philips P2000C carrying strap

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

its nice seeing phillips getting some love its some interesting history



On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 12:54 PM Peter Corlett via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:39:46AM -0500, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:26 AM Tony Duell via cctalk <
> > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >> Does anyone have a Philips P2000C CP/M luggable with the carrying strap?
> >> I will be restoring such a machine in the near-ish future and mine is
> >> lacking the strap. Clear photos of the end fittings that slot into the
> >> machine, the dimensions of them, etc would be a great help in making
> >> something up.
>
> > get ahold of the phillips radio museum in holland they might have photos?
> > they have some of the computers on display
>
> Note that there are (at least) _two_ Philips museums: the "Stichting tot
> Behoud van Historische Philips Producten" (Foundation for the Preservation
> of Historic Philips Products) and the Philips Museum. Their websites are
> https://www.sbhp.nl/ and https://www.philips-museum.com/. Both are in
> Eindhoven, as is much of the interesting bits of Philips itself.
>
> The former appears to be volunteer collectors of mainly analogue-era
> Philips
> gear and I can almost smell the chain-smoked roll-ups just from the photos,
> whereas the latter looks rather more corporate.
>
> (I am occasionally contacted by Philips' recruiters trying to lure me to
> work at some nasty industrial park near Eindhoven airport. There is usually
> tumbleweed after I point out the seven hour commute and ask if they've
> considered remote-working.)
>
> I only note this because I have Weekend Vrij and a Museumkaart, and my
> random spin for where to visit this weekend landed on Eindhoven and thence
> to the Philips Museum, which reminded me of this thread. Unfortunatly, SBHP
> is closed at weekends (and doesn't accept Museumkaart, but I could have
> probably scraped together the €4 entry fee) which is a shame as it looks by
> far the more interesting of the two. If I spot a P2000C and remember, I'll
> try and get a photo although I doubt they'll let me dig it out of the
> cabinet and go over it with my micrometer...
>
> It may also be worth reaching out to the HomeComputerMuseum (sic) in
> Helmond
> (https://www.homecomputermuseum.nl/) who are quite friendly and have a
> well-curated collection, including quite a lot of Philips gear. It's not
> directly relevant to this query, but they have a very impressive collection
> of CD-i machines, hardware prototypes, and media. They have a P2000C, which
> is on display for the public to use, and a suitable donation would probably
> get all the photos and measurements you want:
> https://www.homecomputermuseum.nl/en/collectie/philips/philips-p2000c/
>
> As a last resort, there's the Bonami Games and Computers Museum in Zwolle
> (https://computermuseum.nl/) although it's basically just a huge barn
> with a
> load of random stuff piled in it and poor labelling, so I'd try them last:
> I
> took some lovely atmospheric pictures of 60s and 70s Big Iron when I
> visited, but have no idea what half of it is. I suspect they don't know
> either.
>
>

[cctalk] Re: Response from the list manager

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

 hes prolly on vacation

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 1:10 AM Peter Van Peborgh via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Is it just me? I have recently sent an email to this guy about two
> different topics. There was no response in either case. What is going on?
> Or am I missing something?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> peter vp
>

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

the site ur talking about belongs to Vincent Slyngstad who i got the
replacement boards off
https://so-much-stuff.com/pdp8/index.php

On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 2:18 AM Joshua Rice via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adrian Stoness via cctalk" 
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> 
> Cc: "Adrian Stoness" 
> Sent: Sunday, 25 Sep, 2022 At 14:42
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.
> yea was found in the mud the press board preic spent a few yrs outside
> after i found the first bits yet it survived had put it under some
> weight
> for few weeks to get rid of the curve it had
> https://live.staticflickr.com/4159/34433937071_ddcbdb994a_b.jpg
> <https://live.staticflickr.com/4159/34433937071_ddcbdb994a_b.jpg>
>
>
>
> Wow, that thing is pretty well wrecked.
>
> I have a bunch of PDP-8 flips chips i bought for display purposes, but i
> wouldn't mind them to go to a restoration. I'll have a look and see what
> i've got.
>
> There is (was?) a very good resource listing most flip chips, with good
> photos of each and even sometimes PCB layout files somewhere on the
> internet. https://www.pdp8online.com/r-boards/r-boards.shtml#pictures
> seems to have some, but isn't quite what i remember finding.
>
> All the best in that very challenging restoration.
>
> Josh
>

[cctalk] Re: Fwd: Philips P2000C carrying strap

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

https://www.radiomuseum.org/museum/nl/philips-historical-products-eindhoven/

On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:39 AM Adrian Stoness 
wrote:

> get ahold of the phillips radio museum in holland they might have photos?
>
> they have some of the computers on display
>
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:26 AM Tony Duell via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have a Philips P2000C CP/M luggable with the carrying strap?
>>
>> I will be restoring such a machine in the near-ish future and mine is
>> lacking the strap. Clear photos of the end fittings that slot into the
>> machine, the dimensions of them, etc would be a great help in making
>> something up.
>>
>> -tony
>>
>

[cctalk] Re: Fwd: Philips P2000C carrying strap

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

get ahold of the phillips radio museum in holland they might have photos?

they have some of the computers on display

On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:26 AM Tony Duell via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Does anyone have a Philips P2000C CP/M luggable with the carrying strap?
>
> I will be restoring such a machine in the near-ish future and mine is
> lacking the strap. Clear photos of the end fittings that slot into the
> machine, the dimensions of them, etc would be a great help in making
> something up.
>
> -tony
>

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

yea was found in the mud the press board preic spent a few yrs outside
after i found the first bits yet it survived had put it under some weight
for few weeks to get rid of the curve it had

https://live.staticflickr.com/4159/34433937071_ddcbdb994a_b.jpg

On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 11:24 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Rebuild as in Steve Austin.  Holy crap.
>
> Sellam
>
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 8:29 PM Adrian Stoness via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > ive got a 8i i need to finish rebuilding
> >
> >
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/1ajs/34539786085/in/photolist-UsNVQc-UnZy3U-UnXoiN-UCar4c-Tj2Q4F-svoMkx-rRe2wa-sMGsvE-snF3C3-snMK88-snF3G1-sqYYGV-sr1sL2-shWVmZ-seqzS6-rhEMQD-rhtjmd-sdACea-Mfq4ar-KhqDsy
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 8:36 PM jim stephens via cctalk <
> > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/24/22 14:59, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
> > > > o?
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 12:30 PM jos via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On 24.09.22 04:57, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
> > > >>> Wow someone mentioning à phillips p series
> > > >>> Has a p854 new old stock panel my self along with bunch of manuals
> > and
> > > à
> > > >>> spare core memory pack in safe keeping
> > > >>
> > > >> I have spare P854's.
> > > >>
> > > >> Jos
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > There is Oscar's actual computers, a PDP 11 replica and PDP8 replica as
> > > well as great IMSAI and Altairs available which look great as well as
> > > being actual simulators or emulators of the computers, with the
> lights,
> > > not just dead displays.
> > >
> > > For display, on could get front panels from Ron Smallwood and produce
> > > switches and the other few parts required by 3d printing and make a
> > > pretty good display panel.
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > Jim
> > >
> >
>

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

ive got a 8i i need to finish rebuilding
https://www.flickr.com/photos/1ajs/34539786085/in/photolist-UsNVQc-UnZy3U-UnXoiN-UCar4c-Tj2Q4F-svoMkx-rRe2wa-sMGsvE-snF3C3-snMK88-snF3G1-sqYYGV-sr1sL2-shWVmZ-seqzS6-rhEMQD-rhtjmd-sdACea-Mfq4ar-KhqDsy



On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 8:36 PM jim stephens via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
>
> On 9/24/22 14:59, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
> > o?
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 12:30 PM jos via cctalk 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 24.09.22 04:57, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
> >>> Wow someone mentioning à phillips p series
> >>> Has a p854 new old stock panel my self along with bunch of manuals and
> à
> >>> spare core memory pack in safe keeping
> >>
> >> I have spare P854's.
> >>
> >> Jos
> >>
> >>
> There is Oscar's actual computers, a PDP 11 replica and PDP8 replica as
> well as great IMSAI and Altairs available which look great as well as
> being actual simulators or emulators of the computers, with the  lights,
> not just dead displays.
>
> For display, on could get front panels from Ron Smallwood and produce
> switches and the other few parts required by 3d printing and make a
> pretty good display panel.
>
> thanks
> Jim
>

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

o?

On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 12:30 PM jos via cctalk 
wrote:

> On 24.09.22 04:57, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
> > Wow someone mentioning à phillips p series
> > Has a p854 new old stock panel my self along with bunch of manuals and à
> > spare core memory pack in safe keeping
>
>
> I have spare P854's.
>
> Jos
>
>

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

Wow someone mentioning à phillips p series
Has a p854 new old stock panel my self along with bunch of manuals and à
spare core memory pack in safe keeping

On Fri., Sep. 23, 2022, 4:20 a.m. Tony Duell via cctalk, <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 8:42 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk
>  wrote:
> >
> > Look for less well-known mini computers.
>
> No, please don't
>
> If the machine it less well known, it is very likely that many fewer
> have survived. As a result ruining one for its front panel is going to
> make said machine even harder to find.
>
> There are many more PDP8e machines around than , say, Philips P850's or
> P851's
>
>
> -tony
>

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

Wish I had seen I would given à home

On Fri., Sep. 23, 2022, 2:19 p.m. Chris Zach via cctalk, <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Earlier this spring. I posted about it, and the general opinion was that
> a HP1000 wasn't really worth anything so I just gave it to someone.
>
> If things aren't worth anything I will chuck them. No point in keeping
> junk around.
>
> C
>
> On 9/23/2022 10:22 AM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
> > When was that?
>

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

When was that?

On Thu., Sep. 22, 2022, 9:04 p.m. Chris Zach via cctalk, <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> True. I wound up giving away an HP1000 with front panel, because no one
> wanted it. So they do exist out there...
>
> C
>
>
> On 9/22/2022 3:42 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
> > Look for less well-known mini computers.
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 1:47 PM Joshua Rice via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> It is sacrelege!
> >>
> >> In all honesty, real front panels are expensive. An 11/40 front panel
> sold
> >> recently on eBay for $2000! (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314122754771 <
> >> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314122754771>)
> >>
> >> They’re also hard to come by, and most that have them are going to be
> very
> >> reluctant to part with them.
> >>
> >> I suggest, if you want a display piece, the very good replicas done by
> >> Oscar Vermeulen. He offers both a PDP-11 and PDP-8 replica kit, powered
> by
> >> a Rasberry Pi and the SimH emulator. He is also working on a PDP-10
> replica
> >> as well.
> >>
> >> These are reasonably priced, and very good quality, working, scaled
> >> replicas of their respective systems. (
> >> https://obsolescence.wixsite.com/obsolescence/pidp-11 <
> >> https://obsolescence.wixsite.com/obsolescence/pidp-11>)
> >>
> >> It’s worth noting that other replica front panel systems are available
> as
> >> well, including, but not limited to the Altairduino 8080
> >>
> >>> On Sep 22, 2022, at 6:05 PM, Peter Van Peborgh via cctalk <
> >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I know this is sacrilege but I am looking for the front panel of a
> *Data
> >>> General Nova *and/or *a DEC PDP 8/11/12/15*.
> >>> Why? I collect artefacts from the days of the minicomputer and earlier
> >> and
> >>> I want them for my collection/display. They should be not too damaged
> and
> >>> of course do not need to be functional. I would be willing to pay
> >>> postage/freight.
> >>> Any offers? Any offers?
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>> PS Please don't shout at me!
> >>
> >>
>

Re: glad to see the list again

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

indeed

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 6:58 PM xcvb via cctalk 
wrote:

> its been dead for a week
>

Re: Unsubscribed from the list due to too many bounces

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

its an issue with gmail according to jaywest dont think u can do anything
about it
its in his ballpark
theres a thread discussing the issue so ur not  alone
thread "Cctalk subscription disabled"





On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 10:26 PM Curious Marc via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> I have been auto-rejected from the list again, due to too many bounces,
> whatever this means. But I swear I have been a good boy and did not bounce
> too much! This is a plain vanilla gmail account by the way. Does anyone
> have any idea why this keeps happening? Anything I can do about it?
> Marc

Re: Cctalk subscription disabled

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

gmail is causing it

On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 1:15 AM Tom Hunter via cctalk 
wrote:

> I didn't receive any cctalk messages for a few days, so I checked my Spam
> folder (empty) and then the archive which had several new messages I
> haven't seen. I then checked my cctalk membership configuration.
> Surprisingly "Mail delivery" was disabled.
>
> Some time ago I received a few emails from the list server about "excessive
> bounces" saying that I should simply reply to the email otherwise my
> subscription would be disabled. I replied and didn't think too much about
> it. This time I got no "excessive bounces" email but my subscription got
> disabled.
>
> I got an otherwise reliable @gmail.com email address. Does anyone else
> here
> have problems with this? Is there some way of preventing this from
> happening?
>
> Thanks
> Tom
>

Re: Loss of Museum in Ukraine

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

So much cool soviet stuff will of been lost. Hopefully the guy in keiv
doesn't loose his stuff that sells on eBay he's been living in a subway
station he was telling me a week ago.

On Tue., Mar. 29, 2022, 9:51 a.m. Brielle via cctalk, 
wrote:

> Yes, saw an article that said he was fine.  Not sure if there’s been any
> updates since that article though given how things have escalated…
>
> — Brie
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 29, 2022, at 8:38 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > 
> >>
> >> From: Murray McCullough
> >
> >> One can only hope that D. Cherepanov can rebuild his museum someday
> >
> > Is _he_ OK? (There are too many who aren't.)
> >
> >Noel
>
>

Re: Loss of Museum in Ukraine

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

sad news to hear

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 8:48 PM Murray McCullough via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Without getting political I was saddened to hear of the destruction of the
> Club 8-Bit museum in Mariupol, Ukraine. One can only hope that D.
> Cherepanov can rebuild his museum someday keeping classic computing in that
> part of the world alive.
>
> Murray--
>

Re: Found! Ge 115 computer brochure

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

Upload a scan would help

On Sat., Mar. 12, 2022, 12:26 a.m. ED SHARPE via cctalk, <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Found! Ge 115 computer brochure where can I find the computer?
>
> Sent from the all new AOL app for Android
>

Re: DEC H500 Digital Computer Lab

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

check ur spam box and mark not as spam when you find stuff that shouldnt be
in the spam box


On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 7:03 AM Tom Hunter via cctalk 
wrote:

> As there is no real cctalk traffic other than test messages I thought I
> post something a bit more interesting. Here is a short video of my fully
> restored DEC H500 Computer Lab with an 8-bit counter implementation
> including reset:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57xU3Xqnqx4
>
> Enjoy
> Tom Hunter
>
> P.S. Is there some problem with the mailing list? The few "non-test"
> messages I get are often out of context.
>

Re: Digitronics P135-20 Paper Tape Punch

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

did u try talking to that outfit to see if they got more documents with it?

On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 9:08 AM Paul Birkel via cctech <
cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> I have the mechanism for a Digitronics P135-20 Paper Tape Punch.
>
> It turns out that Surplus Sales currently has one of these for sale; see
> item "(EQP) P135-20/35".
>
> It is accompanied by a three-page snippet of a much longer manual for this
> punch.
>
>
>
> See:  https://www.surplussales.com/equipment/pdf/eqp-p135-20-35.pdf
>
>
>
> That's the only documentation that I've been able to find :-{.
>
>
>
> I'd very much like to find/acquire the remainder of this manual, or other
> relevant documentation.  Can anyone help me?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> paul
>
>

Re: Pdp 8 panel parts for trade

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

yes the same basic switch from what ive observed

ive tride  3d printing but i don have access to anything decent print
quality wise

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 2:21 AM Chris Zach via cctalk 
wrote:

> > I'm looking for 5 more rockers with or with out the 8i paddles
>
> Well, I'm selling my 8/I panel but I do have a spare 8/L panel that has
> most of the switches. Are they the same basic switch?
>
> > Or some 8i paddles I've got 5 brown and 10 white ones that I wanted to
> find
> > when I rescued my poor 8i outs the mud
>
> Some of my 8/L switch paddles were broken so I 3D printed replacements.
> I found that PLA plastic is far too weak especially on the pivots but if
> you print them with PETG they WILL work and the pivots can take the
> load. Have not had one fail and these are the EX/DP/START switches so
> they are taking a lot of use.
>
> C
>

Pdp 8 panel parts for trade

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

Anyone got any 8i switch or panel  parts they Wana trade for any of these?

Got 6 3 pin spring loaded rockers appear to test good might need some
deoxot not sure came off the 8e below

8 of the 8e m rocker paddles orange and redish orange
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Eprlv8d3TmSPFJ3rCHIJTFkQOyAZesCM/view?usp=drivesdk

Some are missing the plastic pivot dimples


8m with out it's switches
The rotory it's bit weird but possibly usable. Dunno enough about them.
It's center hole is ovaled a bit might gotten bashed. Might have some
usefull bits still

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EpAag1J5r6RAR8ln_fprrdCEiOnJx5kq


I've got some other bits that might be usefull as well from the 8i to
anyone

I'm looking for 5 more rockers with or with out the 8i paddles

Or some 8i paddles I've got 5 brown and 10 white ones that I wanted to find
when I rescued my poor 8i outs the mud





Or any other parts that might be usefull

Re: 3-phase power

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

you can use a vfd drives to get 3phase power from single u just gotta size
them bigger then the load u would normally need

On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 10:52 AM Jon Elson via cctalk 
wrote:

> On 1/4/22 10:03 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
> >  > From: Scott Quinn
> >
> >  > I have seen some roads where the utility has 2 of the phases plus
> >  > neutral going down them, not true 2-phase power, but 2 phases
> 120/240
> >  > degrees apart with the third phase just not present.
> >
> >
> >
> > My house has something like that; the previous owner wanted '3-phase
> service'
> > for machine tools (I think - could have been a compressor, or something)
> in
> > his basement workshop, so they sold him a pseudo-3-phase service. I
> forget
> > the exact details of how it works, but the 3rd phase is at 170V to
> neutral,
> It should be 208V - see center grounded delta online.  240 *
> sin 60 degrees = 207.8 V.
> Jon
>

Re: PDP-11/44 gas struts

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

take them off and take them to a specialized automotoive shop.

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 2:22 PM jim stephens via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> There was a Basic four system I had which was a small amount taller but
> you get into having to have a really big counterweight.  I could imagine
> a smaller amount and the rear placement of the 11/44 Power supply weight
> would allow RL02s and such pulled, but leave the system where it is and
> raise the lid.
>
> All w/o having gone to look it up, so I'm guessing.  Also the H960 has
> small feet that support the weight as well when you pull things for
> service.
>
> thanks
> Jim
>
> On 12/24/2021 12:16 PM, Zane Healy wrote:
> > Out of curiosity, is there a manual for this style PDP-11/44 online?
> This is the style I have, but I’m pretty sure my manual is for the pull-out
> enclosure.
> >
> > A manual on this enclosure might give some idea on the gas struts.
> >
> > Zane
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:58 AM, jim stephens via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have the same system cabinet, but have not looked at it in detail.  I
> think from some of the replies, they are thinking about the H960 tall
> cabinets and systems that are pulled out, then rotate on the slides.
> >>
> >> This I think is  like the hood of a car, then the system tilts up, as
> the cabinet isn't that tall that you can't work on it on top.
> >>
> >> As to sources, either automotive sources and match the fit, or a
> supplier like McMaster Carr.  I don't think any NOS on these would be any
> better than the ones  you have that rotted out.
> >>
> >> I only just got the 11/44 and didn't poke at it yet, just moved it from
> the original owner's storage to mine.
> >>
> >> I hope it to be one of my first 'big' projects after some PDP8s are
> tackled.
> >>
> >> thanks
> >> JIm
> >>
> >> On 12/23/2021 8:43 PM, Alan Frisbie via cctalk wrote:
> >>> I have a PDP-11/44 system in the DEC 41" high cabinet.
> >>> It is designed to be tilted up for service, aided and
> >>> supported by two gas struts, one on each side.
> >>>
> >>> Unfortunately, after all these years, the struts have
> >>> failed and do not provide any assistance. That box is
> >>> heavy!
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone know where I can get replacement gas struts?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Alan Frisbie
> >>>
>
>

Re: Women of Computing

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

Yea Lego is finicky with lugs
Mostly for access to the lug bulk though no?

On Sat., Dec. 4, 2021, 5:53 p.m. Alan Perry via cctalk, <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> I was just now catching up with my LEGO Ideas e-mail (I went through my
> cctech mail first :) and see that the Women of Computing set was put
> together and proposed by the same woman who did the Women of NASA set.
>
>
> As far as my wife, she is active in two local LEGO user groups and was
> the one of those club's liaison with LEGO (until last month when the
> club lost its official club status with LEGO). Seeing LEGO this close is
> sometimes not the best idea if one wants to remain an enthusiastic
> supporter of the company.
>
>
> On 12/4/21 3:29 PM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
> > Lego puts poly pocket to shame. I agree with urwife and thank her for her
> > work lobbying lego plz keep it up itsthe truly universal toy of
> everything
> >
> > On Sat., Dec. 4, 2021, 5:24 p.m. Alan Perry via cctalk, <
> > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> LEGO is not doing this. This is part of the LEGO Ideas program, ideas
> >> for LEGO sets submitted by the LEGO user community. Someone proposes a
> >> set to the community and, if it gets 10,000 votes from the community,
> >> LEGO will consider making an official set out of it. Other examples of
> >> LEGO Ideas sets are the Saturn V rocket and ISS.
> >>
> >>
> >> This set was likely inspired by another Ideas set that went through the
> >> process and became an official set -
> >> https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/women-of-nasa-21312
> >>
> >>
> >> LEGO itself has been a bit behind the curve on including female minifigs
> >> in their sets. My wife is active in the AFOL (Adult Fans Of LEGO)
> >> community. She has been lobbying LEGO for more female figures for much
> >> of her life, partly because LEGO was considered a "boys'" toy when we
> >> were growing up. (We were born at the beginning of Gen X FWIW.)
> >>
> >>
> >> alan
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/4/21 12:09 PM, Brielle via cctalk wrote:
> >>> See, if it had been presented like that, it would likely have not
> >> elicited the same response.
> >>> It’s sad, but I understand the reason why they are doing it.  Lego has
> >> always been a bit progressive - even going as far as in commercials that
> >> girls can play with legos too.
> >>> Unfortunately, the ones that throw the term ‘woke’ around like that
> tend
> >> to have pretty strong feelings about a “woman’s place in society”.
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:55 PM, newsgro...@micromuseum.co.uk wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On the contrary I consider it implicit that they played an equal role
> >> - and the need to make toys to indicate it is somewhat sad.
> >>>> -Original Message-
> >>>> From: cctalk  On Behalf Of Brielle via
> >> cctalk
> >>>> Sent: 04 December 2021 19:53
> >>>> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <
> >> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> >>>> Subject: Re: Women of Computing
> >>>>
> >>>> Using the term ‘woke’ these days is a great way to render any point
> you
> >> are trying to make moot.  Great way to make people people not take you
> >> seriously.
> >>>> He may as well have just come out and said, “It triggers me and I
> don’t
> >> like having to acknowledge that women exist in the field of computer
> >> history.”
> >>>> — Brie
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:43 PM, Jason Howe via cctalk <
> >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >>>>> I'm curious what your definition of 'woke' is, because it seems
> >> grossly misapplied in this instance.
> >>>>> --Jason
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 12/4/21 10:20, Chris Long via cctalk wrote:
> >>>>>> Great.not.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Why do we need woke Lego?
>

Re: Women of Computing

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

Lego puts poly pocket to shame. I agree with urwife and thank her for her
work lobbying lego plz keep it up itsthe truly universal toy of everything

On Sat., Dec. 4, 2021, 5:24 p.m. Alan Perry via cctalk, <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> LEGO is not doing this. This is part of the LEGO Ideas program, ideas
> for LEGO sets submitted by the LEGO user community. Someone proposes a
> set to the community and, if it gets 10,000 votes from the community,
> LEGO will consider making an official set out of it. Other examples of
> LEGO Ideas sets are the Saturn V rocket and ISS.
>
>
> This set was likely inspired by another Ideas set that went through the
> process and became an official set -
> https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/women-of-nasa-21312
>
>
> LEGO itself has been a bit behind the curve on including female minifigs
> in their sets. My wife is active in the AFOL (Adult Fans Of LEGO)
> community. She has been lobbying LEGO for more female figures for much
> of her life, partly because LEGO was considered a "boys'" toy when we
> were growing up. (We were born at the beginning of Gen X FWIW.)
>
>
> alan
>
>
> On 12/4/21 12:09 PM, Brielle via cctalk wrote:
> > See, if it had been presented like that, it would likely have not
> elicited the same response.
> >
> > It’s sad, but I understand the reason why they are doing it.  Lego has
> always been a bit progressive - even going as far as in commercials that
> girls can play with legos too.
> >
> > Unfortunately, the ones that throw the term ‘woke’ around like that tend
> to have pretty strong feelings about a “woman’s place in society”.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:55 PM, newsgro...@micromuseum.co.uk wrote:
> >>
> >> On the contrary I consider it implicit that they played an equal role
> - and the need to make toys to indicate it is somewhat sad.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: cctalk  On Behalf Of Brielle via
> cctalk
> >> Sent: 04 December 2021 19:53
> >> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> >> Subject: Re: Women of Computing
> >>
> >> Using the term ‘woke’ these days is a great way to render any point you
> are trying to make moot.  Great way to make people people not take you
> seriously.
> >>
> >> He may as well have just come out and said, “It triggers me and I don’t
> like having to acknowledge that women exist in the field of computer
> history.”
> >>
> >> — Brie
> >>
> >>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:43 PM, Jason Howe via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm curious what your definition of 'woke' is, because it seems
> grossly misapplied in this instance.
> >>>
> >>> --Jason
> >>>
> >>>
> > On 12/4/21 10:20, Chris Long via cctalk wrote:
>  Great.not.
> 
>  Why do we need woke Lego?
> >>
>

Re: Women of Computing

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

There's allot of masojinisitc crap in the system though..  I hear about it
from female friends. That were in school and now in the field it's there
and changing some countries or cities are worse then others as well

On Sat., Dec. 4, 2021, 4:48 p.m. Chris Long via cctalk, <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> I accept that far less women than men work in computing.
>
> I believe however that this is large due to their own perception of the
> industry and their career choices.
>
> Almost all the women I know would describe working in it as "sad" or
> "geeky" and several of them are married men who do work in IT.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk  On Behalf Of Toby Thain via
> cctalk
> Sent: 04 December 2021 22:24
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Women of Computing
>
> On 2021-12-04 2:55 p.m., Chris Long via cctalk wrote:
> > On the contrary I consider it implicit that they played an equal role -
> and the need to make toys to indicate it is somewhat sad.
> >
>
> False. Women still do not play 'an equal role' in STEM today, and did not
> in the 20th C either. Have you ever reflected on why not? It is a systemic
> issue that has been well studied and documented, and most relevantly,
> described by women.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cctalk  On Behalf Of Brielle via
> > cctalk
> > Sent: 04 December 2021 19:53
> > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> > 
> > Subject: Re: Women of Computing
> >
> > Using the term ‘woke’ these days is a great way to render any point you
> are trying to make moot.  Great way to make people people not take you
> seriously.
> >
> > He may as well have just come out and said, “It triggers me and I don’t
> like having to acknowledge that women exist in the field of computer
> history.”
> >
> > — Brie
> >
> >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:43 PM, Jason Howe via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm curious what your definition of 'woke' is, because it seems
> grossly misapplied in this instance.
> >>
> >> --Jason
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 12/4/21 10:20, Chris Long via cctalk wrote:
> >>> Great.not.
> >>>
> >>> Why do we need woke Lego?
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: pdp8/L restoration time, part 1: switches

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

If u hunt around u can find similar switches in e-waste or even new. Then
make some baskets u can attach. Like they did or if u got patience u can
take those right apart and rebuild as the pins sit in a cardboard like
material the plastic switch slides on with metal inserts for making
contact.  Need to get around finishing rebuilding mine.

Mine had been ripped off but it u can see how they are assemble here

https://www.flickr.com/photos/1ajs/16586222513/in/album-72157651577592077/

On Sat., Dec. 4, 2021, 3:46 p.m. Chris Zach via cctalk, <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> I've decided it's time to fix my second pdp8/L. First one is missing (I
> think it's at the bottom of the closet) so I'll work on this one for
> awhile.
>
> First problem: Testing the lamps and switches. If the switches don't
> work or the lamps are out it's not going to be easy to troubleshoot.
> Currently I'm missing 5 of the plastic switches, and I have 2-3 switches
> with a broken pivot.
>
> Since I was going to need new plastic switch covers I fired up the 3d
> printer, downloaded the STL file for making them (thank you for putting
> that up!) and ran off a few for testing. It helps a lot to set the
> bridge angle value to 60% or so, that allows a nice solid bridge for the
> two "teeth" that engage the rocker switch. Also don't bother with PLA:
> The plastic pivots are too weak and break pretty quickly. Use PETG,
> which requires higher heat (240 instead of 200 at the head and 70
> instead of 60 at the base) but it is more than strong enough for the
> pivots to go in without issues.
>
> Testing the switches I found that one of the data/address switches was
> reading high ohmage (20) when closed in the down direction and two of
> the data entry (spring loaded) switches were intermittent. Sprayed in a
> bit of Deoxit, and they now switch cleanly and without bounce. That
> would probably have driven me crazy if I tried to test with that.
>
> Next step: Check out the power supply.
>
> C
>

Re: Women of Computing

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

Woke lego?? What lego has been at fore front of this idea of being open to
all for a long time so woke hah no being there as a community of growing
and creativity yes...

What's wrong with bringing out a set to celebrate these women who in many
cases worked in toxic male bs environments...  let's celebrate.  Not
complain plus there's now a univac in an official lego set!!

On Sat., Dec. 4, 2021, 12:20 p.m. Chris Long via cctalk, <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Great.not.
>
> Why do we need woke Lego?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk  On Behalf Of Zane Healy via
> cctalk
> Sent: 03 December 2021 17:35
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Women of Computing
>
> I really want to see this set produced, especially for the “Ada Lovelace”
> and “Admiral Hopper” portions of the set.
>
>
> https://ideas.lego.com/blogs/a4ae09b6-0d4c-4307-9da8-3ee9f3d368d6/post/f39b7001-bf76-46ba-9d61-cb586f1c7a7d
>
> https://ideas.lego.com/projects/3bf5b46c-6c87-4a2d-a2e1-d31ed0e2739e
>
> Zane
>
>
>
>

Re: The precarious state of classic software and hardware preservation

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

iror everything guys make copies and stash

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 8:34 PM Steve Malikoff via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Michael asked
> > What are we, as a community, to do to fix this and make sure that our
> > history stays peserved and isn't one bad day away from vanishing.
>
> Whenever some new vintage computing page appears I go to archive.org and
> submit the
> URL to them for the wayback machine. Often they've crawled it already, but
> not always
> so I think it does help.
>
> Steve.
>
>

Re: DEC computer lab / mini banana plugs

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

o? wonder if these are the same as the ones used by nasa in the psa test
point adaptor
https://www.icollector.com/Apollo-Ground-Support-PSA-Test-Point-Adapter_i32827980

On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 7:47 PM Jon Elson via cctalk 
wrote:

> A while ago there was discussion about the mini banana plugs
> used in this system.
>
> On another project at work, we needed some mini banana
> plugs, these sure look similar.
>
> I found that Digi-Key stocks some, as part # 314-1403
> (black, pack of 10 plugs, for $24)
>
> and jacks 501-1051 (red) 501-1479 (black) and 501-1959
> (green) for $2.05 each.
>
> These are roughly 0.1" diameter plugs that squeeze down a
> bit when inserted into the sockets.
>
> Not claiming these are the same size as the DEC ones, but my
> guess is they could be.
>
>
> Jon
>
>

Re: Link Rot

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

link rot is weird in what disapears vs still works

On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 6:45 PM Ali via cctalk 
wrote:

> Interesting article on Link Rot and its prevalence. According to the
> article even sources being referenced as early as 2018 have about a 60%
> Rot.I think all of us in this hobby can relate nor only to loss of articles
> but from sites, drivers, file repositories, etc
> https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/21/22447690/link-rot-research-new-york-times-domain-hijacking

Re: QBUS/UNIBUS card handles

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

vince has some onhis site https://so-much-stuff.com/pdp8/cad/3d.php

On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 1:09 AM Dennis Boone via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Folks,
>
> Does anyone have a design for printing card handles for QBUS / UNIBUS
> cards?  It seems a natural application.
>
> Some grepping of the list logs, a brief plonk through the gadawful
> thingiverse search, and various googling have produced no existing
> designs.
>
> Thanks,
>
> De
>

Re: 920M - an European contemprary of the Apollo Guidance Computer

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

ooo thanks for sharing

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 1:50 PM Dr. Erik Baigar via cctech <
cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
> Some additional remarks: The 920M is par of the 900 Series from
> Elliott (later Elliott Automation, GEC Marconi Avionics, BAe Systems)
>
> ...maybe interesting to note, that apart from the 18bit 920M and
> related machines, there is a series of 12 bit ones which have a
> simmilar (but not identical) instruction set.
>
> ...even one member of the family had 13 bits.
>
> ...these machines where used in applications, where accuracy was
> less important (autothrottle compputers, air data systems) and
> size/weight/power consumption was paramount.
>
>
> Sorry, by accident the footer from my work email was with the
> first posting - all the project is entirely hobby work and not
> related to the business I am working for...
>
> That is my private signature ;-)
> >
> >''~``
> >   ( o o )
> > +.oooO--(_)--Oooo.--+
> > | Dr. Erik Baigar Inertial Navigation & |
> > | e...@baigar.de   .oooO  Vintage Computer  |
> > | www.baigar.de(   )   Oooo.  Hobbyist  |
> > +---\ ((   )+
> >  \_)) /
> >(_/
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Lecture: Get to know the PDP-8 through emulation, 2021-04-10, 19:00

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

hah its the same group i was thinking off nice!

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:10 AM Anke Stüber via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Hi Adrian,
>
> On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 11:18:37PM -0500, Adrian Stoness wrote:
> > you guys have a facebook group no? or am i thinking of another group?
>
> we have a Facebook page[0], but it's not really used much. We'll update
> (hehe) it with our current activities soon.
>
> Best, Anke
>
> [0] https://www.facebook.com/updatecomputerclub/
>

Re: Lecture: Get to know the PDP-8 through emulation, 2021-04-10, 19:00

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

you guys have a facebook group no? or am i thinking of another group?

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 11:09 PM Anke Stüber via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> you're invited to the Update computer club[0] public lecture series
> "Updateringar"[1]! Update is a Swedish computer club founded in 1983
> whose members tinker with all kinds of computers, from Raspberry Pi to
> PDP-12. The club has a big collection of historic computers. In this
> lecture series we'll talk about everything related to computers:
> Historic and modern computers, operating systems, programming, hardware
> projects, creating art with computers, building a computer museum, and
> more. We'll start with a classic: the PDP-8.
>
> When:  2021-04-10, 19:00 CEST
> Where: https://bbb.cryptoparty.se/b/upd-0mo-m2u-aq8
>
> Get to know the PDP-8 through emulation
> An emulator is a program that pretends to be a computer different from
> the one the emulator is executing on. This allows execution of software
> intended for a physical computer that you do not have. In this talk
> Pontus will explain the basics by implementing a fully working PDP-8
> emulator and explaining each instruction and feature along the way. The
> end result is a working emulator in less than 1000 lines of C code. And
> hopefully you will walk away with both an understanding of the classic
> PDP-8 computer and emulation.
> Pontus Pihlgren (Update)
>
> The lecture is free and open to everyone.
>
> Upcoming: 2021-05-08, 19:00: Forth on microcontrollers. Crest (CCCHB)
>
> Hope to see you there,
> Anke
>
> [0] http://www.update.uu.se/index_eng.html
> [1] https://www.update.uu.se/wiki/doku.php/projekt:updateringar
>

Re: Looking to buy any of the IR. INTERNATIONAL RECTIFIER KITS WITH SOLAR RADIOS OR SOLAR RADIO EXIMERMENTS FOR SMECC MUSEUM'S SOLAR ELECTRONICS DISPLAY. -- ALSO INTERESTED BY SOME BY OTHER MAKERS TOO

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

im pritty sure  he uses his teletype to send us emails

On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 8:17 PM Tony Aiuto via cctalk 
wrote:

> Ed. When you type in all caps it looks like you've been owned. Can you tone
> it down so we know it is real mail.
>
> On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 6:54 PM ED SHARPE via cctalk  >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Looking to buy any of the IR. INTERNATIONAL RECTIFIER KITS WITH SOLAR
> > RADIOS OR SOLAR RADIO EXIMERMENTS  FOR SMECC MUSEUM'S SOLAR ELECTRONICS
> > DISPLAY.  -- ALSO INTERESTED  BY SOME BY OTHER MAKERS TOO ...EMAIL US OFF
> > LIST PLEASE
> >
>

Re: Bendix G-15 and Control Data 160 console on ebay

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

how come when ever  people post these numbers can never find the item

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 2:30 AM P Gebhardt via cctalk 
wrote:

> If anybody of you has been looking for a Bendix System or a CDC 160
> console and has deep pockets: That's your opportunity ;)
> ebay numbers 203239156838 and 203239181341
> Not affiliated with the seller. Just saw the listings - can't believe that
> such cool systems are still stored in some warehouses in the U.S. for
> business purposes ...
>
> Cheers,
> Pierre
>
>
> -
> http://www.digitalheritage.de
>

Re:

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

it apears to be a black whole :P

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 3:56 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk 
wrote:

> It was probably the wording and spelling in his message.
> Or, maybe extraneous spaces.
>
>
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
>
> > you got marked as spam ed
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 5:02 PM ED SHARPE via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>

Re:

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

you got marked as spam ed

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 5:02 PM ED SHARPE via cctalk 
wrote:

>
>
>

Re: Ok, Perqs are stowed away

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

good job

On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 4:29 PM Chris Zach via cctalk 
wrote:

> 1 Perq 1, one chassis without motherboards of another Perq1, sides,
> lids, 1.5 sets of ends, pair of Perq2 endpanels, two keyboards (1 and 2
> style) and a portrait monitor.
>
> Pictures of all the stuff at https://www.crystel.com/bob/perq4
>
> Not many pictures of this stuff from all angles, so feel free to copy
> and put on real sites.
>
> Anyone need more of these Sun3/4 VME boards? Need to make more space.
>
> CZ
>

Re: Apple 1 and memorabilia up for auction in Boston (NOT on Epay)

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

this is up on RR auction
https://www.rrauction.com/bidtracker_detail.cfm?IN=6001

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 9:30 PM Ali via cctalk 
wrote:

> > Of interest to the early apple fans on here:
> >
> > https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/93832586_apple-1-computer-with-
> > original-box-signed-by-steve
>
> I wanted to see the box and accessories But alas no picture of the
> goods.
>
> -Ali
>
>

Re: evil thing to ask but I need keystroke logger

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

interesting.

you can log the traffic remotely via a expensive router though u can prolly
pick up cheaper secondhand ones
if u goe that route make sure to use a locked cabinet of some sort  for ur
modem and such so they cant just by pass things


or install key logers different types out there. software to hardware.


theres 3rd party parental control software for windows as well you can use
to lock em outa stuff at X times and such lots options


depending what you do i would imagin u could also oer time bend this in a
little cat and mouse game to encurage them to learn some new skills

On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 11:56 PM Grant Taylor via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On 11/19/20 10:28 PM, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
> > I have kids that after corona are in lockdown, so they are on computers
> > all the time.  Supposed to be doing schoolwork, but no, feedback from
> > the school is negative.
>
> :-/
>
> > Can I trap some traffic from these PC's and what software would
> > you recommend?
>
> What platform?  Windows?  Linux?  (You did say PC.)  macOS?  Something
> else?
>
> I would be somewhat inclined to avoid software based key loggers as I've
> heard of problems with them.  (Admittedly this was back in DOS / Windows
> 3.x / 95 days.)
>
> As such, I'd be more inclined to use a hardware based keylogger.
>
> I have no idea how you parent and I'm just some random guy on the
> Internet.  But if I were in your shoes, I'd tell my kids that they have
> abused things and that I was now monitoring them.  Be honest and up
> front.  Don't hide what you are doing.  Give them an opportunity to
> re-gain trust.  I would also use the lack of any information from the
> key logger to be a indicator that they have compromised it.
>
> I might also consider something like VNC where I can watch what's on
> their screen.  If at any point in time you can't see what's on their
> screen, then you have a different problem.
>
> I would also be tempted to give them a tiny bit of leeway.  We all get
> board, finish a task and occasionally need 90 seconds to reset.  More
> than that and I'd think it's a good time to cough really loud, walk past
> them, what have you.
>
> But you are the parent.  You know your kids best and what will and will
> not work for them.  Good luck.
>
>
>
> --
> Grant. . . .
> unix || die
>

Re: Soldering DB connectors

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

now thats a pro tip

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 12:47 PM Richard Milward via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Something that's always worked for me: when soldering a male DB
> connector (DB9, DB25, whatever -- or really any male/pin style
> connector), plug it into a mating female connector first. That will hold
> the pins securely in place and prevent them from sagging in the plastic
> of the body if your soldering iron is too hot or you hold it on too long.
>
> --
> **Richard
>
>

Re: removing melting rubber from metal?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

>
> heat gun and some acitone?
>

ibm clone break out box

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

so i got a test point box of some sort for the EVM M4030 system curious on
what ibm documents i should be looking on how these things would of been
used?

since russian ones would be useles with out knowing how to read russian.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-city-police-stabbings-1.5785401

Re: Identifying a Mystery ISA Card

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

looks simlar to a card used in a ge workmaster for ge faunic plc stuff

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 8:09 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk 
wrote:

> >>> https://i.imgur.com/WhO4cco.jpg
> >>> https://i.imgur.com/uBCkv5G.png
> >> It resembles, although doesn't match, the AST Six-Pack.
> >> But the AST Six-pack had a clock circuit.
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2020, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote:
> > Isn't the 24-pin DIP part MM58167? shown in the images referenced above a
> > RTC chip?
>
> Which would make it VERY similar, but not direct copy of the ST Six-pack
> (the AST uses a coin cell battery, and many parts are slightly moved
> around.
>
> Q: What are the SIX functions of the AST Six-Pack?
> A: RAM
> serial
> parallel
> joystick
> Q: That's FOUR, not SIX
> A: RAMDISK, Print Spooler.
>
>
>

Re: Tutor needed for college student

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

have you looked into your local hackerspaces at all?
https://hackerspaces.org/ list of them all over the world.



>

Re: Old mainframes in Finland

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

cool collection nice to see a honeywell h316 in minty shape.

still never ever seen any phillips around witch also did a rebadge of the
h316  in red

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 4:59 PM Van Snyder via cctalk 
wrote:

> On Wed, 2020-10-07 at 13:14 -0500, Cindy Croxton via cctalk wrote:
> > I received permission to share this link. These are in a personal
> > collection in Finland. Don't drool too hard :-)
> > https://imgur.com/gallery/7TKl5YH
>
> I visited Haus zur Geschichte der IBM Datenverarbeitung (House of the
> History of IBM Data Processing) in Sindelfingen twice before the
> collection was moved across the Autobahn to the IBM Technology Center
> in Boeblingen.
>
>
> https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOlJ8ZB6COe4u6alT5Hah9mTph8QqaFxP37naSOsjAeW9IJvcf8kJxypT7XPYWCkw?key=UEpwNV93bE4zcEdPSzJVb1dJUmpjelAweVNYMFRn
>
>
> https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPN1bSdVWEVA5aykENlOEWm4aG290s9-BU-NFUz702oAei0qme7Owkntg-VN6P9lQ?key=d2NDSTFQNVJSbHpPQ0ZzWFN3Ny13OHBjby1pZlVR
>
> Several of the computers at Sindelfingen were in working order, in
> particular a  403, 650, 1401 and 360/25. The 650 belonged to a museum
> in Vienna. I think it was sent back. I hope it survived the journey in
> working order. Their keypunches worked. I punched a few one-card 1401
> programs to clear up some confusion/imprecision in the manuals to
> correct/confirm the SimH 1401 simulator.
>
> I visited John Zabolitsky's collection at Neubiberg, a southeastern
> suburb of Munich:
>
>
> https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPGeVphL95gtsGIO96iU4APdtSRnHhcm1y4-YaPspa6_jDuAZw6cfD3FR3OFr8czw?key=MjJZNUVjMWtLRkVKbmF2TnFDa3ZneDM0WWFqZ0hB
>
> They sell time on their VAX. I think some of the other machines work,
> too, but the VAX was the only one running when I visited.
>
>
>

Re: Exploring early GUIs

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

would early gui include hmi systems

On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 9:19 PM Michael Kerpan via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Something in another recent thread about LISP machines got me wondering:
> how many early graphical systems are well emulated (or emulated at all)? I
> know that there are more or less functional emulations of Alto, Star, and
> Lisa out there, but what about the various LISP machines or the early
> workstations (Sun 68K, Apollo, etc) Also, assuming that there are emulators
> for some of these systems out there, has any software to run on them and
> been archived?
>
> Mike
>

Re: Virtual VCFMW Schedule Posted

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

aww damn ill be 30miles in the bush at work for 3 days

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 4:12 PM Lawrence Wilkinson via cctech <
cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject:Virtual VCFMW Schedule Posted
> Date:   Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:08:39 -0500
> From:   Jason T via cctalk 
> Reply-To:   Jason T 
>
>
>
> Hi folks - we're doing this thing! The schedule is up, with links to
> the individual videos being filled in by tomorrow evening:
>
> https://mailchi.mp/222b57fb03dc/virtual-vcfmw-schedule-posted
>
> The videos will be presented in sequence using YouTube's "Premiere"
> function, which means there will be a live chat on the YT page where
> (ideally) the video creator will chat along and conduct a Q during
> and after. There is also an all-day open chat on a linked IRC/Discord
> channel. Details are on our page here:
>
> http://vcfmw.org/virtual.html
>
> Hope you can join us online for a day of chatting and classiccmp video fun!
>
> -jt
>

Re: weird rack unit

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

yea witch the us gov had some sorta station setup st the airport here in
northern mb fo 30+ yrs untill nassa left when bush cut the ballon program
funding

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 4:51 PM Al Kossow via cctalk 
wrote:

> On 8/10/20 12:40 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> > On 8/10/20 12:17 PM, Christian Kennedy via cctalk wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/7/20 4:34 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
> >>
> >>> The OCO looks nice. Timing gear maybe?
> >>
>
> There was a discussion of this on the cctalk discord
> It was made for the USGS to study the earth's magnetic field
>
>
>

Re: weird rack unit

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

there was equipment like up here in the 60's for exploration that actualy
was featured in national geographic in 68? for looking for ore bodies

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 2:18 PM Christian Kennedy via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
>
> On 8/7/20 4:34 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
>
> > The OCO looks nice. Timing gear maybe?
>
> Looks like a mid 70's - early 80's three-axis fluxgate magnetometer.
> The precision of a fluxgate is a direct function of the stability of the
> frequency source that is driving the drive winding, so an OCXO makes
> perfect sense.
>
> My offhand guess would be oil and gas exploration.
>
> --
> Christian Kennedy, Ph.D.
> ch...@mainecoon.com AF6AP | DB0692 | PG00029419
> http://www.mainecoon.comPGP KeyID 108DAB97
> PGP fingerprint: 4E99 10B6 7253 B048 6685 6CBC 55E1 20A3 108D AB97
> "Mr. McKittrick, after careful consideration…"
>

weird rack unit

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

anyone ever seen one of these?
has a motorola 6800 date coded 1976 on it
https://www.flickr.com/photos/1ajs/50199901793/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/1ajs/50200714992/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/1ajs/50199903443/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/1ajs/50200713557/in/dateposted-public/

prityy obscure no model markings on the case. the rack its in has handles
for carying so it might of flown around in a plane as part of a kit for
doing geophysical not sure though

Re: Future of classiccmp

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

You forgot to mention the freenode irc channel as well

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 18, 2020, at 12:01 PM, jwest--- via cctech  
> wrote:
> 
> The period of me making decisions about the list is coming to an end, but 
> based on all the posts I just caught up with here's some thoughts:
> 
> I would be predisposed to handing it to someone that intends to continue the 
> mailing list format. We already have a very active discord group (which works 
> fantastic for posting pics with your posts), so I see little reason to move 
> to a web based format for this list. Most of us are here cause we prefer the 
> email format. Those who don't - use the discord server, those who like both - 
> use both 
> 
> Picture attachments have been a shortcoming here, there's times when it would 
> be really nice. There are also situations where its likely to be abused 
> especially in the eyes of those who prefer the email format. I would suggest 
> either allow pic posts but only if 1000% on-topic, and even better yet, only 
> allow pics if the mailing list automatically stores them somewhere and only 
> puts a link to the pic in the email. That way, the email stays text only, and 
> users that want to see the pic can. Another approach is maybe 'if you need to 
> post pics, do it on the discord'. One or the other, but the email list should 
> stay a text email service IMHO.
> 
> I did not like the list splitting (cctalk/cctech) when it was done, and still 
> don't. I have intended to rejoin the lists into one list for the past few 
> years and just never got around to it. I will be asking whoever winds up 
> getting the list to do the following tasks as part of the agreement: 1) 
> Rejoin the lists, 2) completely straighten out the archives. Get all the 
> missing stuff, make it all processed and stored in the same way (downloadable 
> archives or text scannable online), and automated. I am embarrassed by how I 
> have let the archives degenerate, but they are still fix-up-able. Whoever 
> takes on the list needs to be prepared to do this as well.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Someone's confused

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

prolly found it in a box of vax stuff lol


On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 11:31 AM Jon Elson via cctalk 
wrote:

> On 06/07/2020 10:30 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
> > Love the title on this:
> >
> >https://www.ebay.com/itm/184317705963
> >
> > eBait auction: "16K Sense Inhibit Board .. VAX 6000, VAX-11/730".
> > Yeah, core on a VAX! And such a deal, a mere US$400!
> 1974 date codes.  Not too likely to be VAX related!
>
> Jon
>

Re: PDF of FANUC TAPE READER A860-0056-T020 Manual Wtd.

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

check on mr plc forums

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 4:00 PM Bill Degnan via cctech <
cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Not expecting a manual (but I did ask), looking to see if anyone has one,
> I.have been searching
> Bill
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2020, 4:55 PM Al Kossow via cctech 
> wrote:
>
> > On 5/12/20 1:42 PM, Bill Degnan wrote:
> > > Al,
> > > Here is the Ebay auction, I hope the manual is included assuming the
> > 50-pin port is the output port.
> > >
> >
> > ? there isn't a manual shown
> >
> > the 50 pin connector is the I/O
> > you can find descriptions of the pinout online from people making paper
> > tape reader replacement devices
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: SEL 810A running lunar lander

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

kool

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 8:53 PM Eric Moore via cctalk 
wrote:

> https://youtu.be/L743MjJthHY
>
> I recently got my SEL 810A working. I hope you guys enjoy the video :).
>
> -Eric
>

Re: tape baking

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

sony PR-150 will jam a machine up and makes a squeeking type noise as well.

then theres sticky shed syndrom that leaves a nasty mess caugh shamrock
tape caugh caugh


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:47 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> I'm a bit surprised that this is even a "thing" in the audio business.
> Restorers have been baking audio tapes for a long time.
>
> One thing not discussed (maybe it doesn't occur in audio) is that there
> can be issues in binder formulation, at least in digital tapes.  In
> particular, 3M tapes, most notably Scotch 701 and 777 formulations, have
> an issue where the binder "liquefies" under motion and solidifies when
> tape motion slows or ceases.  So, you may be running a tape through a
> drive just fine and then suddenly, everything freezes up as the tape
> becomes firmly "glued" to the heads or other objects in the tape path,
> usually with a loud squeal.
>
> In the current batch of 60 tapes from the late 60s-mid 70s, every single
> 3M tape exhibited this behavior.  It didn't matter if they'd been baked
> or not.  There was a note of this on Ed Thelen's site where someone had
> encountered this and given up.
>
> Isopropanol does not clean the sticky deposits from equipment--you must
> use a stronger solvent.  Acetone, Perc or MEK generally does the trick.
>
> Rather than try to clean the gunk off the tape, which is probably a
> fool's errand, I coat the tape with cyclomethicone, using a felt
> applicator in my cleaning machine--it doesn't take much to create a
> slippery film on the tape surface, perhaps 10 ml will do a 2400' tape.
> Cylcomethicone is non-toxic and relatively inert--and is somewhat
> volatile, so that it evaporates in a couple of hours, leaving the tape
> as it was.  Very slippery stuff, so don't spill it on the floor!  It
> does not appear to have a solvent effect on the binder, as nearly as I
> can tell.  It also doesn't appear to bother the equipment either.
>
> I've achieved 100% success using this method.
>
> I think it's interesting that tape quality tends to better the older the
> tape.  Audio Devices, Ampex and IBM Series 500 tapes tend to survive the
> best. Memorex seems to get worse, the younger it is.  (e.g. MRX III
> tends to behave better than MRX V).
>
> For whatever it's worth,
> Chuck
>

Re: Ok, got the Perq tapes

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

not junk
https://www.crystel.com/bob/DSC_0262.JPG



On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 6:33 PM Chris Zach via cctalk 
wrote:

> Ok, so this evening I went back to the house to do a quick evacuation of
> the most critical stuff and take some better pictures. This time I
> brought a massive xeon flashlight which helps to get quicker pictures
> with less shake.
>
> I also picked up a pile of Perq boards, and all the DC600 tapes and
> floppies I could take out. The car was loaded with them, someone is
> going to have to curate these. But since I know that the most important
> thing is the software and not the hardware I decided this is what to get
> as the top priority.
>
> There appears to be a third Perq in there as well on the other side of
> the basement. No big drives (14 inch or 8 inch) but a lot of MFM and
> SCSI disks. Couldn't grab those, too heavy.
>
> I'm going to put together a list of people and see if I can figure out a
> way to get things out. The garage is blocked by an old car, and this
> stuff will not go up the steps. Too narrow.
>
> Never dull. Latest pictures are at https://www.crystel.com/bob (I moved
> the old ones to a subfolder). I also took a better set of pictures of
> the VME boards, look like Sun boards.
>
> C
>

Re: Bob Davis and old computer stuff

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

>
> prolly rent a locker for a year or 2 just from selling the roland in the
> photos

Re: Bob pictures from 2005, it's like the titanic....

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

was this test equipment lab also used for making sound? see the 2 mixing
boards on bottom right

On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 10:06 AM Chris Zach via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> The outpouring of messages and help has been quite inspirational. It
> seems that the Perq data is really important, so I will be going back
> today for a bit to try and get the boxes of data tapes out of there.
> DC600's, I'm sure they will need to be restored somehow but I'll try to
> get them.
>
> In the meantime here are 4 pictures from 2005 of the stash. To be honest
> almost nothing has changed between then and now, it was like looking at
> pictures of the titanic from 1912 and today.
>
> https://www.crystel.com/bob/bob%201.jpg
> https://www.crystel.com/bob/bob%202.jpg
> https://www.crystel.com/bob/bob%203.jpg
> https://www.crystel.com/bob/bob%204.jpg
>
> Chris
>

Re: Wanted for non-profit public museum: DEC VT100

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

did u reaach out to recyclers?
such these guys in wpg
https://www.motherearthrecycling.ca/

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 2:19 PM barry bortnick via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Yes, I have reached out to my contacts across Canada including old support
> techs, and the UofC.
>
>
>
> *From:* Adrian Stoness 
> *Sent:* April 20, 2020 1:08 PM
> *To:* barry bortnick ; General Discussion: On-Topic
> and Off-Topic Posts 
> *Subject:* Re: Wanted for non-profit public museum: DEC VT100
>
>
>
> have you reach out to any of the local IT guys in town that do smal work
> they may know of one sitting in some forgooten closet
> have u tried sait? u of c?
>

Re: Wanted for non-profit public museum: DEC VT100

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

have you reach out to any of the local IT guys in town that do smal work
they may know of one sitting in some forgooten closet
have u tried sait? u of c?

Re: soviet resistor identification help and maybe lamps?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

not seeing anything els other then the 620
hard to get any decent shots of them with out a macro lens though

as for the lamps if i wanted to test them one at a time would i just give
them 12V directly? or would it be lower dont have a variable power supply
atm just an old pc one

On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 1:44 AM Holm Tiffe  wrote:

> Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
>
> > trying to identify these soviet resistors anyone familiar with how they
> > marked them i see 620 on these ones for the panel bulbs
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/1ajs/49633358106/in/dateposted-public/
> >
> > want to test all the lamps with power but i dont know where to start with
> > testing.
> >
> > i see markings for 220V on the power feed plug
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/1ajs/49621260392/in/dateposted-public/
> >
> > bulbs
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/1ajs/49623473996/in/dateposted-public/
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/1ajs/49623475146/in/dateposted-public/
>
> Not mutch to see on your pictures..better photos?
>
> The Lamps seems to be neon lampes and at 220V the only  resitor volue
> that makes sense and has a 620 in it is 620K.
> The resistors could be labeled with 620k or witn M620.
>
> Regards,
>
> Holm
>
> --
>   Technik Service u. Handel Tiffe, www.tsht.de, Holm Tiffe,
>  Freiberger Straße 42, 09600 Oberschöna, USt-Id: DE253710583
> i...@tsht.de Fax +49 3731 74200 Tel +49 3731 74222 Mobil: 0172 8790 741
>
>

soviet resistor identification help and maybe lamps?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

trying to identify these soviet resistors anyone familiar with how they
marked them i see 620 on these ones for the panel bulbs
https://www.flickr.com/photos/1ajs/49633358106/in/dateposted-public/

want to test all the lamps with power but i dont know where to start with
testing.

i see markings for 220V on the power feed plug
https://www.flickr.com/photos/1ajs/49621260392/in/dateposted-public/

bulbs
https://www.flickr.com/photos/1ajs/49623473996/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/1ajs/49623475146/in/dateposted-public/

Re: DEC paper, drives, PDUs, chassis, etc (Toronto, Ontario)

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

im in manitoba what would cost for a ba23 and some pdu's to lynn lake mb?
r0b0w0


On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 3:26 PM Toby Thain via cctech 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have access to some DEC items for a month or two before a house is
> sold. Photographs are linked here:
>
> https://imgur.com/a/HqxI4JA
>
> I can locate and forward any items, if still available, for actual
> shipping costs and any nominal packaging material costs.
>
> Summary:
>
> Hitachi ESDI drives
> RX50 drives (many)
> TK50 tapes (many)
> DEC Professional magazine 1987-1994
> DECUS software abstracts
> DECUS software catalogues
> Controlling Software Projects (DeMARCO)
> Programming in C with Let's C (Vine)
> Surefire Programming in C (Stewart)
> PDP-11 Systems and Options Catalogs 1983-1989
> Various databooks, DECdirect, etc
> DECUScope magazines
> Copies of RT-11 SIG newsletter(s)
> issues of digital Canadian Digest, 1980s
> DECUS Canada mailings
> digital news & review magazines ("The Independent Newspaper & Test Lab
> of Open Computing for DEC Sites")
> various PDU units (see pic)
> RD52/RD53 drives
> various empty chassis/backplanes (see pics)
> BA23 shells (2)
> various tapes, drives (see pics)
>
> As I said, last call, gone in 1-2 months.
>
> --Toby
>

looking for: fairchild model 8200 manual

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

trying to find a manual for a fairchild universal counter timer model 8200
circa 1968?

got one i found like to see if i can get it working for the rack.

can only find this sales catilog from 68
https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.org%2Fdetails%2FTNM_Instruments_catalog_multimeters_and_various_o_20171025_0048%2Fpage%2Fn11%2Fmode%2F2up%2Fsearch%2Ffairchild%2Bmodel%2B8200%3Fq%3Dfairchild%2520model%25208200=AT2SbCVHC4Bf1LBj-UBDAeFgyB_79Ov-tSEHfbJYlfJ3BBA0SrVHyqlY85S9NLZq2AzAf9K0D9OweDdNRockMT0TxmKJYL5HHV8odxS6lp9Tek0jo0PhWZA7Lb6i9Oaf4-0

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fopen%3Fid%3D1IZDamqqNJP8a8ilZWALSNg_na2hZqKr3%26fbclid%3DIwAR3LJf3o-4y_xSALVXNzHBaFeBRBP_oDjr_CviGm0TZxUTR14aKtXwPH1y8=AT2SbCVHC4Bf1LBj-UBDAeFgyB_79Ov-tSEHfbJYlfJ3BBA0SrVHyqlY85S9NLZq2AzAf9K0D9OweDdNRockMT0TxmKJYL5HHV8odxS6lp9Tek0jo0PhWZA7Lb6i9Oaf4-0

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fopen%3Fid%3D1aAnHIUHDdc_YjqkWy5z8rc_WsUQ0p0KN%26fbclid%3DIwAR2XLjHzEujXBgJS0-iAt2yJXBbDhCv9LjVPsyJpk423nsDjLxIQL4g-Kz8=AT2SbCVHC4Bf1LBj-UBDAeFgyB_79Ov-tSEHfbJYlfJ3BBA0SrVHyqlY85S9NLZq2AzAf9K0D9OweDdNRockMT0TxmKJYL5HHV8odxS6lp9Tek0jo0PhWZA7Lb6i9Oaf4-0

hasnt been powered up since prolly 1986 has a tag on it about channel B not
working.
was found in a rack sitting out in 40below temps prolly been sitting there
for 20-30yrs in a storage shed the guts are realy clean on it so proly has
potential to get working again.

Re: Unidentified peripheral in Tektronix PDP-11/20 system

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

could be what was used to make the weather maps that would then get sent
out on tty of the wind?

On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 8:08 PM jwest--- via cctalk 
wrote:

> Looks like some type of chart recorder perhaps.
>
>
>
>

Re: Your Vale Coaches order has been received!

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

?

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:16 AM Mark Darvill via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Good news! After a bit of a configuration nightmare (it is more
> complicated than Worldpay) I have got it working.
>
> I will test a couple more times and then figure out what we need to do to
> make it live.
>
> Mark
>
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > From: Vale Coaches - Office 
> > Subject: Your Vale Coaches order has been received!
> > Date: 31 December 2019 at 14:11:32 GMT
> > To: mark.darv...@mac.com
> > Reply-To: Vale Coaches 
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you for your order
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > Just to let you know — we've received your order #10075, and it is now
> being processed:
> >
> > [Order #10075] (31st December 2019)
> >
> > Product   QuantityPrice
> > RHS Cardiff Flower Show - Saturday 18th April 2020
> > Pickup Point:
> > Sturminster Newton
> > Packed Lunch Sandwich:
> > Egg & cress on brown
> > Packed Lunch Drink:
> > Apple Juice
> > 1 £69.00
> > Subtotal: £69.00
> > Payment method:   Barclaycard
> > Total:£69.00
> > Billing address
> >
> > Mark Darvill
> > Test
> > April Cotatge
> > Sackmore Lane, Marnhull
> > Sturminster Newton
> > Dorset
> > DT10 1PN
> > 01258 820871
> > mark.darv...@mac.com
> > Thanks for using valecoaches.com!
> >
> > Vale Coaches
> > Site built by Marnhull Computers Marnhull Computers  m...@marnhullcomputers.com>
>

Re: Nixdorf computer AG boards rechner 154

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

eww siemens destroyer of good products

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 10:57 PM Alan Perry via cctech <
cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
>
> On 12/20/19 6:36 PM, Jon Elson via cctech wrote:
> > On 12/20/2019 02:53 PM, Adrian Stoness via cctech wrote:
> >> weird nixdorf is the last name of my boss whos in his 70's engineered
> >> lime
> >> plants around north america for what became greymont
> >>
> >>
> > No, Nixdorf was a significant player in the computer business in Europe,
> > especially.
> > Wikipedia says they were the 4th largest computer maker in Europe at one
> > time.
>
> Nixdorf was eaten by Siemens 1990 to form Siemens Nixdorf
> Informationssysteme (SNI).
>
> I worked for SNI in Munich in 1991-92 porting SVR4 (branded as SINIX) to
> a new 386-based multiprocessor system they were developing. I heard
> there was a MIPS-based system that used the same chassis under
> development at what had been Nixdorf in Paderborn.
>
> alan
>
>
>

Re: Nixdorf computer AG boards rechner 154

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

weird nixdorf is the last name of my boss whos in his 70's engineered lime
plants around north america for what became greymont

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 2:42 PM Roland via cctech 
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I've got these Nixdorf boards since recently. Does anyone know to what
> kind of machine this belongs? The word "Kernspeicher" clearly points to
> magnetic core memory. And when I look to the amount of power transistors it
> seems to be 12 bit. I really wonder from what kind of machine these were.
> The boards date from early seventies...
>
> And I wonder if anyone could actually use them to repair such a machine.
>
> Regards, Roland
> Some pictures of the boards on VCFED:
>
>
> http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?72836-Nixdorf-computer-AG-boards-rechner-154
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Discord

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

aww team speak spent lots hours on that playing red faction

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 1:30 PM jwest--- via cctalk 
wrote:

> John wrote...
> >Just an fyi the mohaa site only loads an Apache test page.
> That's because it isn't a 'site'. The dns name mohaa.todesplace.org is
> for the game clients to connect to. The website at www.todesplace.org is
> just for my players. For the teamspeak server - teamspeak.todesplace.org.
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 3:10 PM jwest--- via cctalk 
> wrote:
>
> > Medal of Honor : Allied Assault
>
>
>

Re: Discord

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

well irc seems to be broken on windows 10 for me

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 11:28 PM jwest--- via cctalk 
wrote:

> I didn't think many people would show up. I was wrong.
>
>
>

Re: Xerox 820 PC

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

>
> interesting but im in wrong part of manitoba to wonder over very easly.
>
>

Re: Philips mini computers

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

phillips when they ventured into the mini world start out by rebadging the
honeywell 316 witch i think is what your talking about
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x533q90/r/924/RfzStB.jpg

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 7:38 PM Paul Koning via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
>
> > On Oct 26, 2019, at 5:00 AM, nico de jong via cctech <
> cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Back in the 70's and 80's Philips had a quite popular series of mini
> computers called P800, which also branched out to the PTS series and
> possibly other.
>
> I don't remember those; I do remember a Philips mini called the PR8000.
> That was apparently designed for industrial control, at least judging by
> the marketing brochure I have for it.  It's the machine on which I learned
> assembly language programming.  24 bit machine, French mnemonics.  Very
> interesting interrupt system.  I've never seen any documents about it other
> than that one short 10-page marketing sheet.
>
> Then there was a 16 bit Philips minicomputer, P9200?  Saw it at the
> Evoluon in Eindhoven where it controlled an interactive sculpture called
> the Senster.  That has been preserved apparently; it would be neat to do a
> simulation of it.
>
> paul
>
>

Re: Philips mini computers

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

also helps if u google stuff quik google found this site with lots on
the 856m 857
http://www.vaxbarn.com/p800/home.html

im more interested in the p1000 series my self actually has one of the 3
sales models built in the 60's for that system but thats a big iron

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 2:30 PM Adrian Stoness  wrote:

> mean like this
> https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x795q90/r/922/b5tczU.jpg
> https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x533q90/r/922/XYBanl.jpg
> https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1000x186q90/r/922/RCQmCW.jpg
>

Re: Philips mini computers

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

mean like this
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x795q90/r/922/b5tczU.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x533q90/r/922/XYBanl.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1000x186q90/r/922/RCQmCW.jpg

Re: General Automation SPC 16 on eBay

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

also looks like it comes with a compaqt to interface it to something?

On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 1:18 PM dwight via cctalk 
wrote:

> Wow, Look at all the drives. It looks like it even has a Diablo hard drive.
> I don't know what the drives that are below the 5.25 drives are??
> Dwight
>
> 
> From: cctalk  on behalf of Bob Rosenbloom
> via cctalk 
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 9:28 AM
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org 
> Subject: General Automation SPC 16 on eBay
>
> There's a cheap General Automation SPC 16/45 on eBay that someone needs
> to get. It's for pickup only
> in Royal Oak, MI otherwise I would go for it. Includes a disk drive.
> Looks like it needs to be gone in a week.
> See:
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/General-Automation-1972-SPH-45-16-Minicomputer-Console/323932770200?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
>
> Bob
>
> --
> Vintage computers and electronics
> www.dvq.com
> www.tekmuseum.com
> www.decmuseum.org
>
>

Re: Standard Engineering CAMAC crate controller with LSI-11

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

just a box of boards or a system missing a memoru module?


On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 8:45 PM Jon Elson via cctalk 
wrote:

> I have a 3-board set, a Standar Engineering MIK-11/2, which
> is a controller for a CAMAC crate, with an LSI-11/2 (M7270)
> in it.  It also has a serial port in it.  I thought there
> was a memory that went with it, but I can't seem to find that.
>
> Anybody have any use for this?
>
> Jon
>

Re: FTGH: Pioneer DRM-602X 6-CD changer

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

have you tried asking over on
https://www.diyaudio.com/

or here
https://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php

Re: analog computer - texas

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

theres some nice pentx 6x7 and some lens's i see also rolleiflex for
dirtcheap sadly looks like local pickup blah being in northern canada sucks
sometimes

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 4:07 PM dwight via cctech 
wrote:

> Wow
> Dwight
>
> 
> From: cctech  on behalf of Dave Wade via
> cctech 
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 12:25 AM
> To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic Posts' 
> Subject: analog computer - texas
>
> Seen on the vintage forums - I hope I am not spoiling some ones bid
>
>
>
> https://swicoauctions.com/online/26/item/43886
>
>
>
> Dave Wade
>
> G4UGM & EA7KAE
>
>
>
>

Re: Grid 1537 ”Tempest” schematics

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

u got any pics of this thing?

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:49 PM Curt Vendel via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>   I’m doing some work for a friend who has one of these unicorns it’s
> apparently a super beefed up CIA use the laptop that wound up in Russia
> somehow and he got it shipped back here to the US
>
> The motherboard was modified it looks like the hard drive was on some kind
> of a tray going to a connector which is IDE compatible
>
> Someone had extremely poorly soldered on an IDE cable in place of the sled
> and over the years several of the pans of popped off and they’re not really
> making sense as to the solder points they’re supposed to go to.
> Complicating the matter is the paint outs are not just a direct staggered
> 40 Pin to Pin connection several of the through holes are not in use so
> just soldering on I had her and plug in the cable into it is not possible
> also the pens are staggered so that wouldn’t make it possible either.
>
> So to cut to the chase does anyone have the schematics or the motherboard
> pinouts for this connector so that I can do a proper soldering job and put
> on a clean working cable so that this laptop can vote from the IDE hard
> drive?
>
>

Re: New face of the Bank of England's £50 note is revealed as Alan Turing

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

This wound up in my junk mail folder

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 15, 2019, at 11:29 PM, Kevin Parker via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> May be of interest to some list members
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48962557
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kevin Parker
> 
> 0418 815 527
> 
> 
> 

Re: I'm sharing a toy

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

Be careful eh about posting credentials right to a public mailing list like eh

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 8, 2019, at 12:18 AM, Adam Thornton via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> https://mvsevm.fsf.net
> 
> Currently, the TOPS-10 guest account (42,42) and the Unix v7 account dmr have 
> no passwords.
> 
> Please treat the dmr account respectfully.
> 
> I will get to account requests…eventually, probably.  TImeliness is not 
> guaranteed.  All systems are hosted on Raspberry Pis (the 36-bit ones on a Pi 
> 3B+ and the 16-bit and 32-bit ones on a Pi 2B+) on Debian Buster.  Absolutely 
> no guarantee of availability or usability is made.
> 
> Adam
> 

Re: Scotch 777 "blue label" tape blues confirmed

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

same as sticky shed syndrome?

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 10:22 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> This is in reference to my earlier post about Scotch 777 half-inch
> open-reel tapes.  I'd reported that I encountered a tape that displayed
> binder bleed, such that the tape would stick to the heads and guides.
>
> This was a tape that had been both baked and cleaned.
>
> Coating the tape with a film of cyclomethicone allowed it to be
> successfully read.
>
> In the latest batch of tapes, I found another one--it behaves identically.
>
> These appear to be only the blue foil-labeled 777s; the yellow paper
> labeled ones are fine.
>
> I estimate the manufacture date to be about 1969-70.
>
> FWIW,
> Chuck
>

Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

Sorry but I haven’t a clue w cr liquidation is. 

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 17, 2019, at 8:00 AM, William Donzelli via cctalk 
 wrote:

>> Why is LGR a jackass?
> 
> Well, I think he kind of created a shitstorm and gave CR a little too
> much exposure. The CR liquidation seems to have been going at a nice
> controlled rate. Now that the whole world knows, it would not be a
> surprise if security issues come up.
> 
> Basically, he should have released the video after CR had been pretty
> cleared out and closed. He should have realized the consequences of
> his video.
> 
> This is why when I get into a place like this, I am very picky about
> who I let it, and in no way allow videos to be made and published on
> Youtube, even on my own channel.
> 
> --
> Will

Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

How’s lgr a jackass


Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 17, 2019, at 12:14 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Exploring a MASSIVE Retro Computer Warehouse!
> 
> old news, dredged up again because of a youtube jackass
> 
> 
> 

Re: Abandoned FACOM system in Italy?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

gues just need to pop in that place in germany and take their tiles and
plop them in lol


On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 2:42 PM Jason T via cctalk 
wrote:

> On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 7:32 AM Evan Linwood via cctalk
>  wrote:
> > The most interesting section is from 14:14:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrx1tK5xcAk
>
> I like how they stole all the raised floor tiles except those with
> 1000lbs of tape drive on them, making extraction of those drives extra
> impossible.
>

Re: Raised Floors

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

>
> acid water hah i work around ph 2.38 water liming it during the summer.
> insane how fast it will eat steel out
>

Re: Pleas ID this IBM system....

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

all systems have their advantages disadvantages it all depends on what your
doing and designs u choose. personaly i think raised floor and tray above
are best then u keep all ur power below away from ur data lines plus but
then ur setup is only as good as the lazyest tech u get comming in running
stuff.

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 11:38 AM Patrick Finnegan via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On Tue, May 21, 2019, 04:13 Christian Corti via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > You definitely need a raised floor
> > for a data center. You need it for forced air cooling and for running the
> > water and condensate pipes.
>
>
> Ductwork doesn't have to be below the floor. Modern co-lo facilities that I
> have been in (such as Switch Supernap) don't have a raised floor.
>
> Plumbing (unless you're doing aisle containment or RDHx) shouldn't run
> through the IT space in the data center.
>
> Cooling water to racks should be dewpoint adjusted, so you don't need
> condensate drains inside the DC.
>
> And overhead trays are much more difficult to
> > work with if you want to lay new cables because you have to climb up and
> > down the ladder all the time, moving the ladder from here to there and
> > back to here...
> >
>
> I solved that by having multiple ladders. In my experience, it's a lot
> easier than trying to reach through a cluttered raised floor under racks.
>
> The only good reason that I have seen in this thread for a raised floor is
> to match older equipment that routes cables downwards.
>
> Pat
>
> >
>