OT: Trying to fix my account
Sorry for the spam - I'm trying some ideas to see if I can figure out why I don't get cctalk/cctech messages anymore (for about a month now). -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Principal Investigator, "Reflections on Early Computing and Social Change", UW IRB #42619 Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Is it really that quiet out there?
I haven't seen any list messages since the 16th. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Principal Investigator, "Reflections on Early Computing and Social Change", UW IRB #42619 Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: OT: the death of shortwave / Re: Hallicrafters S-85
On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 1:34 PM, allison via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 10/08/2017 02:47 PM, Ed via cctalk wrote: > > When I see something that is neat...I camp on it until I decide or > > have a friend put his hand on and stand in front. Yea... to many > times turn > > around and then look down and someone else now has it... Ed# > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/8/2017 9:52:59 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > > cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > > > > I missed out on a nice Hallicrafters receiver at a hamfest last > weekend... > > Walked way to look it up, and it was gone when I came back! > > > I have a few Hallicrafters radios... > > SX120 not much of a radio but along the lines of the S-38 (al la AA5 > line powered). > I have two one bone stock and pretty and the other has been modded > six ways to Sunday by me. The mods include a 2.1khz mechanical filter, > additional IF stage and a real product detector using 6AR8 and even a > power transformer. > SX110, more serious radio, hurts the back some too. > HT37 transmitter Phasing to create SSB at a pair of 6146 power level. > > I home brew on HF though 432... > > Allison > My FT-817 (5 watts) has no problem reaching from the West Coast of the US to the East with SSB - IF the band is open. Most recently I've found 40m to be open most often (at least when I'm on HF). Does anyone on this thread know if there are any regularly scheduled traffic nets? -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Principal Investigator, "Reflections on Early Computing and Social Change", UW IRB #42619 Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: HP 9845 complete system on auction in Sweden
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:37 AM, <couryho...@aol.com> wrote: > Folks - Any idea what causes the screen rot? > > also any preventative measures to keep it from happening or spreading? > Ed# > > > > It's the understood chemical decomposition of the adhesive that holds the screen shield to the CRT. It's pretty much inevitable, from what I understand. The solution is to separate the shield from the CRT, clean the face of the CRT and reattach the shield. Some people don't reattach it, and some people think they are risking serious injury - no opinion. Will the newer adhesives hold up better? We hope so. -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Principal Investigator, "Reflections on Early Computing and Social Change", UW IRB #42619 Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: HP 9845 complete system on auction in Sweden
On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Ed via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > The shipping cost would be obscene! > Ed# > > > In a message dated 9/24/2017 6:57:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > > > On I Sep 23, 2017, at 4:23 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > The 7970E comes in an HP-IB version > > Indeed, and I even have one of these beautiful tapes! I managed to > interface it to my HP 85 but that was very hard. It required bus sniffing > work, an > FPGA adapter, and making an HP 85 "driver" for the thing (see the result > in a demo here: https://youtu.be/YS9dGYUbNd0). Great to know the same > tape > works out the box on an HP 9845. Yet one more reason for me to get one > ;-). > But my, from Sweden, that's going to be a monster shipping and customs > headache. > Marc > > > I have one of these with pretty bad screen rot, and I'm not sure if my HPIB controller is working right - but the system itself runs pretty well. One of my local collector friends has developed an approach to pull the face shield and replace the adhesive - on my list of things to do -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Principal Investigator, "Reflections on Early Computing and Social Change", UW IRB #42619 Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Alto 5-Key Keyset pictures
I've been interviewing people who used the Alto in various scenarios (system devs, app devs, non-expert users) and NO ONE used the keyset. It's fascinating historically, but in part because of its apparent irrelevancy. -- Ian On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 1:21 AM, CuriousMarc via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I see you have the same problem as I did encounter: a rusting shaft that > binds the keys together... I agree, they really spent big $ for production > level tooling (and industrial design and engineering) to make the chordset, > it is quite impressive. > Marc > > > > On Sep 16, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > wrote: > > I had to fix a key on CHM's keyset today, so I shot a bunch of pictures > while it was apart > http://bitsavers.org/pdf/xerox/alto/Alto_5-Key_Keyset > > They spent a lot of money on this. There are two castings of the same > material as the keyboard > and monitors, and two injection molded parts for the keys and the four > spacers betwen the microswitches. > > > -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Principal Investigator, "Reflections on Early Computing and Social Change", UW IRB #42619 Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Convex C220 lives
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctech < cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote: > For a change, rather than a request for help, here¹s a success story: I > managed to bring a Convex C220 (dual vector CPU mini supercomputer from > 1988) back to life. Both CPUs are working, but I¹m running with a single > CPU because of the power it draws with two CPUs. Next challenges: the > Convex C1, and quad vector processor C240 (not before I¹ve upgraded the > power feed). > > Running ConvexOS 11.5.1, it has FORTRAN 7.0.1 installed; I ran a little > benchmark, and with a single CPU the system clocks in at 49.1 MFLOPS on a > big multiply-add loop (advertised peak performance was 50 MFLOPS per CPU). > > Getting the system to the state where it is now was quite a journey > (though nowhere near as bad as it might have been). If you¹re interested > in the details, I have a (somewhat long) report of my work on my website; > if you go to http://www.vaxbarn.com/index.php/other-bits/603-convex-c220, > there are some links at the bottom that have much more details, as well as > photos of the system and the boards. > > Now I¹m looking for some FORTRAN code that would typically have run on > this kind of computer so I can show people what this kind of system was > used for. > > Congratulations! I've been too busy to do any restorations, so for now I live vicariously through people like you. :-) -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Principal Investigator, "Reflections on Early Computing and Social Change", UW IRB #42619 Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: EMA Links on a G104 Sense/Inhibit board
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:40 PM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Does anybody know how the EMA links should set on 4 x 4K G104 boards > For example > EMA > 0 1 2 > > Field 0ININ IN > > Field 1? ? ? > > Field 2? ? ? > > Field 3 ? ? ? > > > Rod Smallwood > > > -- > Wanted one pdp-8/i rocker switch leaver to copy. > > It's in the prints, which are available on BitSavers. That's where I found it last time I did this. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Principal Investigator, "Reflections on Early Computing and Social Change", UW IRB #42619 Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: pdp-8/e restoration.
On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > On 08/08/2017 00:01, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote: > >> On 8/7/2017 3:50 PM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote: >> >> >>> >>> One other thing - I have a working TU58. >>> The two cassette drives in a box type with serial interface. >>> Now the pdp-8/e DECTapes were also called TU58. >>> >> >> The typical DECtapes used with the PDP-8 were TU56's, a completely >> different (and much more rare) beast. >> >> The M8650 is on the list of what you can connect it to. >>> So does the one substitute for the other and raise the possibility of >>> booting from tape? >>> >> >> No, they're not substitutes. I'm not aware of any PDP-8 systems booting >> and running from a TU58, but I suppose it's not impossible. Mostly the >> problem with the TU58 at this point is that (a) the capstan rollers in your >> drives are most likely tar, and (b) the rubber parts in the tape itself >> have done the same, and (c) the tape itself probably isn't in great shape >> either. >> >> - Josh >> >> >>> Rod >>> >>> >> Mmm senior confusion. > > Its a working TU58 - Restored including fixing the roller problem. > Runs on a PC OK. > > Just fixed the echo test problem. > RS232 on M8650 needed a jumper E-M on board or plug. > > > So now to check out that rim loader stuff. > Its in C but I can get round that problem. > > > Rod > > -- > Wanted one pdp-8/i rocker switch leaver to copy. > > For verily, LINCtape begat DECtape, and DECtape begat DECtape II. LINCtape and DECtape were legitimate backing store, DECtape II was a cheap way of delivering software updates. And since when is C a 'problem'? :-) -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Principal Investigator, "Reflections on Early Computing and Social Change", UW IRB #42619 Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: pdp-8/e restoration.
On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Pete Turnbull via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 07/08/2017 18:37, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote: > > So to-morrow connect up a terminal that will do 110 baud and try an echo >> test. >> >> Next part is interesting. There should be a way to fake a reader / punch >> and feed in tape images. >> > > There is. Look on Kevin McQuiggin's site: > http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/pdp8/ > > In the section called "Software", about 1/3 of the way down, look for > send.c or better still new-send.c (I call it rsend, on my system). You > might also find rim.c and the BIN loader useful. > > They're also on my webpage, with the corresponding manpages: > http://www.dunnington.info/public/PDP-8/ > > That's the easiest place to get the manpages for rim.c, send.c, rsend.c. > Here's the gist (top parts of the manpages): > > rim - create RIM-format file from ASCII addr/instr > rim is a very simple converter. It reads in a file containing two > columns of ASCII digits; the first column is a list of addresses (in > octal) and the second is a list of machine instructions (also octal). > Output is a file suitable to feed to the RIM loader on a PDP-8. > > send, rsend - send a file in RIM or BIN format to a PDP-8 > send and rsend are utilities to transmit a RIM format or BIN format > file from a UNIX (or other) host to a PDP-8 over a serial line. The > PDP-8 should be running the RIM loader routine prior to starting > either of these programs. > Input should be a file in RIM format or BIN format. Output goes to > the host serial port, which should be connected via appropriate cable > to the PDP-8. > send is a simple version, with built-in serial port settings and a > fixed delay between characters. rsend is more sophisticated; it can > be controlled by command-line options or environment variables, and > can accept input on stdin. > > On a Unix (or Linux etc) machine you can pipe the output from rim to > rsend, and if you're using papertape images (of which there are load on the > net), rsend can strip the headers for you. > > -- > Pete > Pete Turnbull > Once upon a time I wrote a Python program to stand in for an ASR-33, providing both a terminal session and a papertape image reader/punch. N.B.: much PDP-8 software likes 7E1, but PTR/PTP is 8N1. ISTR that even when I fiddled with SLU settings, I couldn't get away from 7E1 for some of the diagnostics. Of course, I've slept since then. -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Principal Investigator, "Reflections on Early Computing and Social Change", UW IRB #42619 Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Visual 1050
On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 9:06 AM, william degnan via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > dumping the firmware and character generator would be a good thing to > do > > as well > > > > > > > > There are milti versions of these I believe. > > > > "MULTI" not milti :-) > Gary, if you're not in too much of a hurry I'd be interested in driving up to Bellingham and picking it up. :-) -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Principal Investigator, "Reflections on Early Computing and Social Change", UW IRB #42619 Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: pdp-8/e restoration.
Yes, the 8/e has the 'keep-alive current'. The lamps are driven by an 8V line that runs from the power supply to the programmer's panel. -- Ian On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 8:23 AM, Doug Ingraham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 1:24 AM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > 1. Should the run light glow dimly? > > > > Without looking at the schematics I can't tell you if they bothered to put > the resistor in there to make > it glow dimly but I can tell you that it isn't necessary for the run lamp. > The reason to make it glow > dimly when off is to reduce the filament thermal shock when turning on and > off. This makes the bulbs > last a lot longer. The run lamp does not flicker in operation so not > necessary on that one. > > -- > Doug Ingraham > PDP-8 SN 1175 > -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Did you use a Xerox Alto? Know anyone who did?
Hi all, I'm principal investigator on a research project that encompasses the history of the Xerox Alto workstation. I'm trying to find people who actually USED an Alto in the course of business/academics, i.e. writing documents, sending emails and the like. This is part of a set of interviews intended to add the voices of non-inventor stakeholders to the historical narrative. Interviews to date have primarily been over Skype and last between a half-hour and an hour, depending on how much the individual chooses to share. One may participate anonymously should you so choose. This study is approved by the University of Washington Human Subjects Review Board (IRB #42619) and an Informed Consent form will be provided upon request or if you choose to participate. Got stories to tell? I'd love to hear 'em. Please respond to me privately at isk...@uw.edu. Thanks -- Ian PS: I asked Jay for permission to post this. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Whole IBM System/34 available in unknown condition
"The scrapper wants $800"? I thought the point of going to scrap was that the scrapper makes money on the metals, and pays you for that privilege. Have the tables really turned so dramatically?-- Ian On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Robert via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > As Guy says, location will be the key to who, if anybody, can get it. > I'd certainly be interested if it was withing a reasonable distance of > me, though I'm not sure exactly where I'd put it... > -- > Robert > > On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk > <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > Usual question. Where is it? > > > > TTFN - Guy > > > >> On Jul 25, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> > >> Anyone on here want a whole System/34? > >> > >> > >> Not mine, but I have contact details. The scrapper wants $800 for it > local pick up. > >> > >> > >> Let me know today, please. > >> > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> > >> -Ben > > > -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Cipher F880 with S100 interface card on local CL
On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 07/10/2017 09:50 AM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk wrote: > > > I was previously planning to so that, and I still think that the FPGA > > approach would feel more natural to me than using the PRUs. But the > > Beaglebone seems like a much more economical approach. I'd need a > > processor to control it, an SD card and/or USB and/or network > > interface to get data and commands on and off, and driver stacks for > > all of that stuff. I could also get there with a Xilinx Zynq family > > device, but at 2x or more cost vs. a BeagleBone. > > I worked out an interface using an Xilinx 95108 CPLD, but again, you > still need a CPU to interface to it. It just seems more natural, given > the I/O count on today's MCUs, to dispense with the CPLD altogether. > > --Chuck > > > FWIW: once upon a time I hooked up a TX-8 to a DOS PC with a network card, ran MS LANMAN client, and had a networked F880. I wrote a small RMT interpreter for it, too. -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Cipher F880 with S100 interface card on local CL
On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Just thought I'd mention running across a guy in the next town peddling > a Cipher F880 streamer with an S100 interface card for $150. Even > includes the (lowboy) rack. > > Let me know if you're interested (I'm in Eugene, OR) > > --Chuck > S-100?!?!?!? I have a couple of those drives. I don't have anything with S-100, but isn't there a SS-50 adapter to S-100? I'd love to have just the interface card. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Monitors for ADM3 and ADM3a parts or replacement whole unit?
On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 12:26 AM, <couryho...@aol.com> wrote: > Ian we are in Arizona! > Ed# > > All, Ed and I are talking privately and I think I have him covered. FYI -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: DEC LK201 Keyboards for VT220 terminals etc.
On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 30 June 2017 at 19:12, Aaron Jackson <aa...@aaronsplace.co.uk> wrote: > > Just saw this - All good here. I have an LK401 and LK201 :) > > > > Thanks Liam, > > No worries. I have a box of the things myself, waiting for me to try > to fix up my 3 VAXstation 4000VLCs. Any spares -- including 2 of the > VAXstations -- will be heading for eBay. The snag is that they're now > in Czechia. :-) > > > Bummer - I've been wanting a VLC for a while. Wrong side of the pond for me -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Monitors for ADM3 and ADM3a parts or replacement whole unit?
Where are you? -- Ian On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:46 PM, Ed via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Monitors for ADM3 and ADM3a parts or replacement whole unit? > > > Have a beauty that was just given us but there is much of the monitor > circuitry missing.. the picture tube is there the flyback transformer > is there. > > But the rest of the monitor... GONE! > > Assuming the logic and keyboard work where can I get the rest to > make the monitor whole again? > Or.. do I just leave it as a static display next to another static > display early system? > > It is a beauty save for the missing monitor parts.. > Advice Hints? > > thanks Ed# > > > > > -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: DECstation 220 - Out of Ideas?
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Rob Jarratt via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > As I mentioned in an earlier email, I have been trying to fix a DECstation > 220. I have made what I think may be some progress, but I am out of ideas > now. > > > > The problem appears to be that the 80286 CPU is shutting down and then the > Olivetti chip is RESETting it repeatedly. The reason for this seems to be > that it is failing to read the ROMs. The ROM is an ST M27512. The output > enable signal (active low) does not appear to go below about 1.8V, although > it does go up to 5V. It is as if the system is trying to read the ROM, but > somehow the signal is not going low enough to actually make the ROM read. > The signal is connected to DMAMEMR (DMA Memory Read) on a Chips P82C206 > controller, and to something on the Olivetti GA099-B, it may be connected > to > other components too, but I have not discovered any more so far. I have > taken the ROMs out and read them in a reader, they seem to read back OK, so > I don't think they are faulty. > > > > I am not sure what could cause the signal not to go low enough, apart from > a > bad P82C206 or a bad GA099-B. Does anyone have any suggestions or > experience > of common causes? > > > > Thanks > > > > Rob > > I don't recall from this thread - do you have prints? I'd try to divine whether this is a wire-OR bus (likely). If so, I'd suspect the P82C206. It may not be toast itself - be sure it has sufficient power to drive the OC transistor that's bringing down the bus, and that its connection to that bus doesn't have excessive resistance, and that its ground (earth) connection is also low-resistance. A long shot: it could be something else on that bus that's sourcing rather than sinking, but the scenario seems unlikely. I'd agree that it's probably not the ROMs, from the symptoms you're describing - unless, again, one of them has an internal short/leak to rail on its read-enable pin. A thought: can you measure the current and its direction on the P82C206 pin? That's my troubleshooting thinking given that I don't have it in front of me. :-) I hope this is helpful -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: DEC MINC in center Germany
I have some disks - but my MINC is a bit buried at the moment. :-) Contact me privately if nothing else works out, and I'll try to get to where I could make you some copies. -- Ian On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 12:18 AM, jim stephens via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > On 6/10/2017 1:29 AM, Jörg Hoppe via cctalk wrote: > >> I like to point you to this DEC MINC-11: >> >> http://www.ebay.de/itm/112435553232 >> >> Its a non-profit offer, we just need the space. >> >> best, >> Joerg >> > > Is it possible to get a copy of the Mincbasic and RT11 disk? willing to > pay to get it for our Mincs. > > thanks > Jim > > -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: DEC archives
> > > On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 10:54:03AM -0700, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > > They are trivial to access. You just have to cart your lazy asses to > > > Fremont. > > > I wonder: how technical is the 'technical' content? I have been looking for even pinout-level documentation for my VAX 6000-660 for some time. I'd part with significant organs to obtain printsets of power supply elements. Al? And it looks like I'm burning the bulk of my PTO on my daughter's high school graduation and installation at university. :-) I might have to put this on the list for 2018. -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Micral N (1974) for sale
On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:56 PM, Stéphane Tsacas via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Hi, > > If it happens you're in Tours (in France, https://goo.gl/maps/BXNZ4YJixYq) > June 11 2017, a Micral N from 1974 will be auctioned. > More info -- in French -- on the auction house website > https://www.rouillac.com/fr/news-1252-le_micral_n_premier_micro_ordinateur > > Starting price : 20 K€. > > Good luck ;-) > > I sure hope it goes to a good home - but unfortunately it won't be mine. -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Any PDP11s for sale in the UK?
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 1:26 AM, Aaron Jackson via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I had a couple of emails about but nothing has come of them (at least, > not yet anyway). The LSI models are perhaps safer to send across Europe? > Maybe an 11/23, 34 or 73? > > I'd say that you're more likely to find an 11/23 or perhaps an 11/03, the latter being a less-capable version of the former. The 11/73 is fairly powerful and valued, and less available. The 11/34 is a Unibus machine, and I've not seen one that wasn't rack-mounted. -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Something for the P3 you have in your back yard
On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Military-IBM-Computer-/201911842662 > > https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/an-uys-1.htm > > Does this come under the category of 'home defense'? -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Large Scale Systems Museum announcement
Awesome! I regret I won't be able to be there, but do have a great time. -- Ian On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Dave McGuire via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > Most of you have heard of the Large Scale Systems Museum, a public > museum in the Pittsburgh area that is focused on minicomputers, > mainframes, and supercomputers. LSSM has been closed for renovations > and expansion for the past several months; we've added nearly a > thousand square feet of new exhibit space and many new exhibits. > > On May 6th, there will be a large block party (actually, several > blocks) here in town, called "New Kensington Better Block", with > street vendors and other standard block party fare. LSSM will be > participating in that event with our post-renovation reopening; we > will be open to the public all day with docents on duty. Many of our > systems will be running and demonstrated throughout the day. > > In even bigger news, LSSM is pleased to announce the opening of a > brand new wing, the Large Scale Integration Museum, or LSIM. As the > name suggests, the LSIM wing is dedicated to computer systems based on > Large Scale Integration CPUs, from the earliest four-bit 4004 > processors through the desktop computer revolution of the 1970s and > 1980s. Thanks to a partnership with Pennsylvania-based nonprofit > organization Tristate Technology Museum Consortium, and a generous > donation from the private collection of Corey Little and C/PMuseum, > LSIM will add more than one hundred new exhibits in four thousand > square feet of newly-renovated space located in the same building as > the recently-expanded Large Scale Systems Museum. > > Everyone is welcome. LSSM is located at 924 4th Avenue, New > Kensington, PA 15068. For more information, directions, or hotel > recommendations, contact the LSSM via email at i...@lssmuseum.org or > on Facebook (search for "Large Scale Systems Museum"). You can also > see some photos of our facilities on the Facebook page. > > Please feel free to forward this message to anyone whom you think > might be interested. > > Thanks, > -Dave McGuire > President/Curator, LSSM > > -- > Dave McGuire, AK4HZ > New Kensington, PA > -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?
Weighing in on the C vs. assembler subthread: modern processors are like
exotic sportscars, in that pretty much anyone can drive the thing to the
corner grocery but it takes a lot of skill to get the best performance out
of it. Load/store superscalar architectures benefit enormously from
various tricks that optimizing compilers do. Sure, you can code those
tricksk in assembler, but for any program other than the most trivial it
becomes a daunting task.
Compiled C also supports writing sustainable code. Use as many
intermediate variables as you like to clarify what your code is trying to
do - the compiler will optimize them out of existence. This can make
troubleshooting more difficult, but that's why you turn off the
optimization for debug builds.
C vs. anything else? I think John Wilson was spot on, it's like a
motorcycle and if you don't know what you're doing you can hurt yourself.
Personally, I usually use Python for application code and C if I'm doing
something down 'on the metal' that has to be performant (e.g., device
drivers). -- Ian
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:15 AM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 12/04/2017 16:08, Norman Jaffe via cctalk wrote:
>
>> Assembler is a sports car kit.
>>
>> From: "cctalk" <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
>> To: "cctalk" <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
>> Cc: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 7:57:07 AM
>> Subject: Re: If C is so evil why is it so successful?
>>
>> From: Alfred M. Szmidt
>>> No even the following program:
>>> int main (void) { return 0; }
>>> is guaranteed to work
>>>
>> I'm missing something: why not?
>>
>> Noel
>>
>> PS: There probably is something to the sports car analogy, but I'm not
>> going
>> to take a position on that one! :-) Interesting side-question though: is
>> assembler more or less like a sports car than C? :-)
>>
> All computer computer languages are only as good or bad as the person
> using them.
>
> Rod
>
> --
> There is no wrong or right
> Nor black and white.
> Just darkness and light
>
>
--
Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate
The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu>
Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical
Narrative Through a Design Lens
Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org>
Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org>
University of Washington
There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Microcomputer and misc for sale
OK, thanks for the photos. This confirms that this is gear I already have - if others are interested, I'll back away (although spares are always nice). Thanks -- Ian On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 8:01 PM, devin davison via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Many people have been asking for details on the Hp gear. Here are some > pictures of everything. > > https://postimg.org/gallery/wdgbt8lm/ > > I have powered up the machine and it boots up to hp basic. I never fired up > any of the external drive enclosures or the printer. If someone wants to > tell me how to test the external drives, I am more than willing to do so to > verify that they are in working order. > > I have gotten several inquiries on the HP gear. Not sure how to handle many > people wanting the same gear, now that i have some pictures up showing the > model numbers, ill see if people are still interested and what they are > willing to offer. > > --Devin > -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Z-8000 something on eBay
On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 2:12 AM, jim stephens via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > On 3/22/2017 6:26 PM, Ken Seefried via cctalk wrote: > >> I don't have any idea what this is but it appears to have Z-8000 >> CPU+MMU chips. Perhaps an Onyx or S8000 CPU card? I know some folks >> here are in to that sort of thing. >> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-Vintage-DSC-MP-4-EPC-Rev-D-K-Exp >> ansion-Board-Card-PCB-for-Mini-Computer/152475939021 >> >> KJ >> > just guessing with the number of I/O's it may be a controller board of > some sort for something which needed a lot of go power, or perhaps an > embedded OS. > > The EPC part of the nomenclature kept hitting things made by Epson, so > maybe it is a scanner or printer controller? > > The large number of connectors is what bothers me with respect to it being > a part of a general purpose mini. I've not seen many with so many > connectors of this type, and therefore cables coming to the main > processor. And in a chassis type mounted mini that would be a huge mess of > cables to run out of a card slot if it were a high performance controller. > > Can prove me wrong, but I'm guessing some sort of controller. > thanks > Jim > All of those connectors make me think it's some sort of comm controller. FWIW. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Introducing the UUCP/Usenet Project
On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 03/21/2017 02:44 PM, Seth Morabito via cctalk wrote: > > > I would very much like to get one of my 3B2s up and running on this > > new UUCP network. I still have a mostly fallow land line that I can > > use. When I have some time in the next week or two, I'll try to get > > things ready under SVR3 UNIX. > > > For those without *nix boxes, there is a DOS/OS2 version called UUPC: > > https://github.com/swhobbit/UUPC > > I used this back in the pre-web days and it worked fine. > > --Chuck > There's a VMS version, too. So many choices -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Univac I memory tank
On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > its been pulled > > It's still there when I click on the link, five days to go. Boy howdy, this would be a headache to get shipped! Even if the mercury is gone, there are almost certain to be residuals. -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Wildly hopeful eBay seller
On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 8:25 PM, Josh Dersch <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote: > I've been looking fruitlessly for boxes of fanfold paper-tape for long > enough that that price *almost* seems reasonable. There isn't much left > and they don't make it any longer. > > (It's still a ridiculous price.) > > - Josh > > > It'll probably show up again as a regular auction when this guy realizes he's on e-crack. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Disassembly of a DG One?
Hey all, Is anyone out there familiar with disassembly of the Data General DG One portable? I have one of the EL models - it looks so cool! - and the hard drive is stuck. I want pull it out and repair it, but I've reached an impasse. I have the machine disassembled and the HD case is accessible, but there is no obvious way to remove it. I don't like to just force things, for obvious reasons. Thanks to anyone with some advice. -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 5:55 AM, geneb <ge...@deltasoft.com> wrote: > On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian S. King wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:24 PM, geneb <ge...@deltasoft.com> wrote: >> >> On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian Finder wrote: >>> >>> WTF did I just read. >>> >>>> >>>> Fred in absolutely rare form. I nearly choked on coffee at the >>>> "yodeling >>>> >>> jellyfish" bit. I'd give him fake internet points if I could. :) >>> >>> Also, QUIT TOP POSTING. >>> >>> Be gentle, Gene. Ian works for the Evil Ex-Empire and is required as a >>> >> term of his indenture to use Outhouse-look, part of the Microsoft Orifice >> suite of floating turds. Even if you set it to do the right thing, it >> will >> randomly choose to once again do the Microsoft Thing. >> > > Sounds like an Intervention may be required. :) > > g I keep telling him he should come work on spaceships with me. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Logic Analysers
OK, I'm going to give the minimalist/cheap-bastard perspective. I've done some solid troubleshooting with my HP 1630G. Sure, it only has a 1K event memory, but the triggering options are pretty flexible. With some creativity, you can focus on the behavior you need to observe. It can self-clock or externally clock, with three separate clock inputs. I've used it to find some pretty obscure race conditions (one-shots are evil!) and glitches. Full disclosure: I do also have a really nice 16700-series I got from Glen Slick, but for some things the easy setup of the 1630G wins. -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:24 PM, geneb <ge...@deltasoft.com> wrote: > On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian Finder wrote: > > WTF did I just read. >> >> Fred in absolutely rare form. I nearly choked on coffee at the "yodeling > jellyfish" bit. I'd give him fake internet points if I could. :) > > Also, QUIT TOP POSTING. > > Be gentle, Gene. Ian works for the Evil Ex-Empire and is required as a term of his indenture to use Outhouse-look, part of the Microsoft Orifice suite of floating turds. Even if you set it to do the right thing, it will randomly choose to once again do the Microsoft Thing. -- Ian (obviously the other one again) > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. > Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. > > ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment > A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. > http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! > -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: OT: RANT (Was: [cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org: confirm 38290c8a992491eda604beff5a06ff20cd7e85f5]
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Fred Cisin <ci...@xenosoft.com> wrote: > On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, Ian Finder wrote: > >> WTF did I just read. >> > > An agreement with Mouse about plain-text, by sarcastically > objecting to use of plain text in the RFC, segueing into an > off-the-wall rant objecting to planned obsolescence. > > It was inspired by finding only Youtube videos for some simple > information, end of support for XP, involuntary Win7 to Win10 upgrade, etc. > > I intended it to be absurd enough to provide some humor. > It apparently failed at that. > Sorry. > > Fred, you have to turn it up to 11 - after all, consider your competition these days in the domain of absurdity. -- Ian (the other one - we are everywhere) -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Visible LINCtape Tracks
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 1:11 AM, Pontus Pihlgren <pon...@update.uu.se> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 07:41:59PM -0500, Michael Thompson wrote: > > We applied some Magnetic Developer to a piece of LINCtape and can see the > > tracks. You can clearly see the extra space between the Mark and Data > > tracks. When we can get access to a microscope with an attached camera we > > should be able to see the bits. > > > > This time with a link: > > > [snip] > > http://www.ricomputermuseum.org/Home/equipment/dec-pdp-12/ > dec-pdp-12-restoration-blog-starting-1117 > > Fascinating work though :) It looks really cool. > > /P > Yes indeed! It brings to mind a paper I read a couple of years ago, J. F. (2011). A material history of bits. *Journal of the American Society for Information Science and Technology*, *62*(6), 1042-1057. Underneath the abstractions there are physical phenomena - such as magnetic domains on a tape. Cheers -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: nice looking Series/1
On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Dave Wade <dave.g4...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Al > Kossow > > Sent: 30 January 2017 17:24 > > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > > Subject: nice looking Series/1 > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-Mainframe-Series-1-/172507912099 > > > > hopefully someone out there can grab it > > Seems a very reasonable price for once. Pity its in the US and I would not > have room... > > Dave > > Well, someone did. :-) I wasn't going to make a road trip to Connecticut for it. -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own?
I'd have to say my VAX 6000-600. It has six processors, and therefore is alternatively known as the VAX 6660 - the Devil's VAX. :-) I've not been able to boot it because I don't have three-phase power to my house. However, I've been informed that the H405 can be rewired to run correctly off dryer power, which I do have. That's one of the (many) projects on my post-dissertation list. With six processors and a half-gigabyte of RAM, I've been told this is probably the most built-out VAX 6600 remaining. -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Polycorp Poly repair (b)log
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 12:53 AM, Terry Stewart <te...@webweavers.co.nz> wrote: > A few months ago I picked up some Polycorp Polys, a computer designed > specifically for the educational market in New Zealand. One worked and one > didn't. The latter is now fixed. As usual I've written it up with lots of > pictures. If anyone is interested you can read about it here. > > http://www.classic-computers.org.nz/blog/2017-01-08-second-poly1-fix.htm > > Cheers > > Tez > Nice fix! It always amazes me how little of the inside of this sort of machine was actual digital electronics, and how much was power, video and sometimes drives. I brought a TeleVideo TPC-1 back to life a few months ago, and your restoration brings back memories (some of them cringeworthy). -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: GMAIL accounts suspended.
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Lyle Bickley <lbick...@bickleywest.com> wrote: > > FYI - I use MANY email vendors (yahoo, comcast, arrl, acm, any my own > bickleywest.com, cerfnet.net, cerfnet.org, etc.) and ALL conform to the > DMARC policy and have no issues sending to or receiving mail from gmail. > > Cheers, > Lyle > > > FWIW, the account on which I'm sending this is the UW's domain hosted by Gmail, and I've had no problems sending email to the list. Just another data point -- Ian > > > > > -- > 73 AF6WS > Bickley Consulting West Inc. > http://bickleywest.com > > "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero" > -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Unknown keyboard
On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Kyle Owen <kylevo...@gmail.com> wrote: > Does anyone have an idea what this keyboard went to? The "here is" key > tells me it's likely a terminal, but the hex key pad is throwing me off. > > Pictures here: http://imgur.com/a/zTgR2 > > Thanks, > > Kyle > I recall having one of those, many years ago - and I had/have no idea where or what it came from. But it was definitely the same keyboard, I remember the unique hex pad. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: PDP-6s at MIT
On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Lars Brinkhoff <l...@nocrew.org> wrote: > Noel Chiappa wrote: > > Well, you _can_ still experience ITS! It runs under a number of PDP-10 > > simulators (and there used to be an 'open-access' ITS system on the > > 'net at its.svensson.org, but alas it doesn't seem to be up any more > > I have it from the Swedish owner that it's still running, although not > connected to the internet. > > There's also another system called UP that's running in Sweden. (What > is it with Swedes and ITS?!?) > At one point, Rich Alderson at LCM had ITS running on a KS-10 (from MIT!), but I don't know what the current status might be. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: ADM-3A Lower case ROM issue
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 5:50 PM, Steve Hatle <sha...@nfldinet.com> wrote: > I acquired an ADM3-A a while back from the NWA auction, and a > generous friend was able to get me the lower case ROM chip that > was "missing" from my terminal. > > I set the DIP switches and installed the ROM. When I turned on the > terminal, the whole screen was filled with "`" characters before the > host was ever started. > > When I started up the connected Sun machine, the terminal did display > both upper and lower case characters, but the "`" characters remained > and appeared to fill out each new line, and text printed out by the > machine was followed by garbage characters - like "Login:n". Typed > characters were correctly upper or lower as typed. > > I removed the ROM and cleaned the legs of the chip. I didn't clean the > socket, since I didn't have anything like DeOxit handy. I did remove and > re-insert the ROM a couple of times. > > When I removed the ROM and set the DIPs back to the original setting, > the terminal worked like normal in all upper case. Setting the DIPs to > force upper case, etc. when the ROM was in always showed the bad > behavior though the characters were upper/lower as you would expect from > the switch settings. > > TL;DR - bad and extra characters when the ROM chip is in, everything OK > when it's out. > > So, barring a bad connection to the chip while it's in the socket, it > seems like the ROM itself could be bad. I'll dig through the maint > manuals and see if I can find anything related to this behavior. In the > meantime, any ideas from the collective are welcome. > Take a look at the silk screen on the board - ISTR there's another chip that needs to be added, some simple TTL logic. I converted mine several years ago without problems - but that was with the original ROM. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: VAX expert 'needed'
On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 7:03 AM, Noel Chiappa <j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote: > > From: Torfinn Ingolfsen > > > Where to should one send account requests? There doesn't seem to be a > > registration page on that wiki. > > Per the note on the main page: > > http://gunkies.org/wiki/Main_Page > > on the right hand side, one needs to send email to Tore (tore...@gmail.com > ), > because they'd had spammer issues. > > > I tried sending an email to Tore a while back .. but haven't got a > > response. > > He's often very busy - try sending him a reminder. > > Noel > I've emailed him, too. He does travel a lot. I'll be slow in adding content - an upcoming publication, teaching next quarter and a dissertation in process take up most of my time - but I do have a VAX 6000-660. :-) -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: RE: Base 64 posts to the list
On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 12:10 PM, Jonas Otter <jo...@otter.se> wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion. My delivery was set to MIME, I have changed it > to plain text. Hopefully that will solve the problem. > > What? No format flame war? What's this world coming to? -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Thinking about acquiring PDP stuff
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Brad H <vintagecompu...@bettercomputing.net > wrote: > > > That sounds interesting. I imagine they'd be worth even more than an 8/E? > > > Keep in mind that the 8/I is a fairly substantial investment in space and weight. Also, if you want to add something, it's not as easy as plugging a card into a backplane. The 8/I requires wirewrap work. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: SWTPC 6800 issues again
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 8:22 AM, Brad H <vintagecompu...@bettercomputing.net > wrote: > Hey guys, > > > > You might recall a while back I was having issues where I'd have to power > up/power off multiple times before I'd get the 6800 to start up correctly > and give me the SWTBUG prompt. What I did was remove an overwrought > modified RAM board and replaced it with a more basic 4K board set to the > $A000 range. That worked great for a while, but not we're getting back to > the situation where I power up many times and get either ? marks, a string > of 4s, or some other random character. I have to power off and on several > times before I get the $ prompt. > > > > I figured out how to run a proper RAM diagnostic and no errors came back. > I > wasn't sure how to properly test the $A000 board - I assumed I couldn't > let > the test test the address space used by the test program itself, so I set > it > to run from A07F to AFFF (I think I did that right, I set the MSB in A002 > to > A0 and LSB in A003 to 7F, and for the upper limit MSB in A004 to AF and > A005 > to FF). > > > > I'm wondering now if this is really a RAM problem or maybe something else. > I don't think it's the serial card.. I've tried both the MP-C and MP-S and > no change. > > > > I have an NOS MP-B2 motherboard here. The 'check pins' on the molex > connectors for the cards haven't even been cut. I could set that up for > testing although, being totally unused I'm hesitant about altering it. > What > do you think on that? > > > > Brad > > My first question (and pardon me if this was addressed in your earlier thread) is, have you checked the power supply? If possible, use a scope, but even a good DVM will tell you if you're maintaining voltage. And if the filter cap is the original, just replace it - they have a limited lifespan. I bought one from Digi-Key for $19. Hope that helps -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: for sale/trade: big list of both old and (relatively) new, deadline: end of November (ideally)
On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 3:28 AM, MG <mgaribo...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > Op 25-nov-2016 om 12:22 schreef Peter Corlett: > >> Some of the storage kit looks worth a gander. >> >> Where in the Netherlands is this? I live in the backwaters of Zaandam. >> > > The items are located in a residential area in Leiden (in the province of > Zuid-Holland / South > I was just in Leiden last week! Of course, I was flying, so I would have been constrained on what I could carry -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Thanksgiving Day
On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Chuck Guzis <ccl...@sydex.com> wrote: > On 11/24/2016 01:51 PM, Murray McCullough wrote: > > I wanted to wish all American readers of this list a very happy > > Thanksgiving Day from a reader in Canada. Reading 'Classic > > Computing' still plays an important part in my appreciation of the > > role of computers from earlier years in why I still enjoy working > > with computers. Happy computing. Murray :) > > > Murry, I'm sorry that we forgot to pre-empt your wishes on October 9. I > did wish some of my Canadian friends happy returns for the day then, > however. > > I'm a bit giddy right now--the pies are done, the other dishes are > cooked and tastes and the bird's in the oven. Short of the dog getting > into the feast, I think I'm home free. (You can tell who does the > cooking in our house). > > I imagine that some have already hit the stores and others are settling > down for an evening of football... > > --Chuck > I had an unexpectedly delightful experience: I was at my local pub and the power went out. It resulted in a wonderful sense of community in ''adversity" (we had emergency lighting and the bar maid brought out numerous candles) and made this one of the best Thanksgiving experiences I've ever had. And all my computer work (document editing) was local. All good! -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: A computer collection in NL
On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Henk Gooijen <henk.gooi...@hotmail.com> wrote: > I realize that I have not done much (any) "advertisement" ... > > I have my collection in a "room" of some 2250 sq. feet (200 m2). > Almost all PDP-11 models (UNIBUS and QBUS), a few VAX4000's, VLC4000, > and a VAX-11/750. Also several DEC peripherals, disk, tape, printer, > and terminals. Furthere, there is a DG NOVA3, NOVA4 and an HP 21MX. > All you see on www.pdp-11.nl can be seen in "real", and there is > probably a bit more ... > I am *not* saying that everything is working, au contraire! After many > years of collecting I am now trying to get everything working. A very > slow process I've learned! > > If you are visiting The Netherlands you are welcome to my "Home of > Famous Iron". I live in the southern part, near Philips headquarters > city Eindhoven. > All I ask, if possible, is that I get a business card from you ;-) > > greetz, > - Henk > Hi Henk, Well, I'm in The Netherlands, but not 'in the southern part' - rather, I'm in Leiden at an academic workshop. Oh well, closer I'll see your collection someday! Cheers -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Collection of stuff in Austin (ebay warning) listed before
On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Mark Linimon <lini...@lonesome.com> wrote: > On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 09:59:18PM -0800, jim stephens wrote: > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/361777459013 > > Looks like all the other seller's items are high by a factor of 10 > as well :-) > > Too bad. I would have given the Motorola a home. Maybe even those > Sun 4/110s out of nostalgia. > > mcl > There are a few things I'd like from that list as well, but (a) I'm not going to Austin to get it and (b) tuition will be due soon. :-) And frankly, the stuff looks filthy - you have to wonder what it looks like inside. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Paper tape carriers and paper tape
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 1:56 PM, jim stephens <jwsm...@jwsss.com> wrote: > > > On 11/11/2016 8:53 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > >> >> On 11/11/16 7:42 AM, Paul Koning wrote: >> >> No one is making new 80 column punched card stock either. >>>> >>> No stock, or no cards? I would think that one of the paper >>> manufacturers would be putting out postcard stock of the right >>> specifications. >>> >> This has been discussed for several years here. No one is making paper >> stock to IBM card stock specifications. >> > A friend I know in St. Louis had them made regularly at an client's > operation. The card stock for credit card pull forms is correct. They may > still have the dies for their machines. However I don't think the favors > exist to get more made. > > Can check though. The card stock comes in 12' diameter rolls, so it > isn't a "pretty please" sort of favor to get the machines set up that > handle the manufacturing process. Think rolls of paper the size of > newsprint, and weighing in at 3000# + > > They might also be able to do paper tape, though I'd favor if it is a > scratch operation doing it from mylar, even though that is hard on punches. > > thanks > Jim > > Using a paper folder to convert roll to fanfold has also been discussed. >> >> Nothing has resulted from either discussion. >> >> >> Somewhere I have a photo of the machine that IBM used to make punch cards. It's in a small museum in Endicott, NY. It did indeed take a roll of paper made to IBM specs and produce the flat punch cards many of us know and some subset of those, love. It hadn't been run in years when I saw it. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: more on lisp compilers
On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 6:52 PM, Richard Loken <rllo...@telus.net> wrote: > So last week there was some conversation about lisp compilers and an > expressed interest in old VAX lisp comilers. Co-incidently, I was rooting > through the morgue at work on semi legitimate business and found > VAXlisp 2.2 copyright 1987. Sadly, it is on a TK50 and is the Ultrix > version. > Ultrix? Is there a label that identifies the target platform? I have a DECstation 5000/200 running Ultrix, as well as a TK50 that works with it. > > Since it sparked my interest, I went through the rest of the pile but > no VMS lisp compiler was unearthed. I found o-l-d VAX/VMS ADA, C, basic, > pascal, fortran compilers but no lisp compilers and all on moldering > TK50s lying in wait for any hapless tape drive that may accept them. > > Oh yes, this is all VMS 5.5-1 stuff, there seems to be an entire distro > there plus a lot of layered products. These are reduntant, my employer's > last VAX is now sleeping in my basement. That TK50 drive works on my VAX 4000/300 as well -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: DEC DELQA - seems not to work. Anyone got a spare? [SOLVED]
On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Joseph Zatarski <jzat...@illinois.edu> wrote: > >On 2014-10-26 3:07 PM, Toby Thain wrote: > >>* On 21/10/14 7:38 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > *>>>* > From: Toby Thain > *>>>>>>* > Looking to see what the internal self-test returns as an > error > *>>>* code > *>>>* > (that can be done with console ODT, it doesn't need a > program) is > *>>>* > probably the first step in diagnosing. > *>>>*... > *>>* OK, after powerup, the bits of the VAR register (e/w/p 2000192c) are > *>>* D800, i.e. the test result bits VAR12:10 are 1,1,0 - meaning RAM test > *>>* failed. > *> > >Hi all, > > > >As an update to this project, I can report that the DELQA has been > >repaired with four new static RAM chips, and now the MicroVAX II's > >network is fully working (including netboot). > > > >Credit due to Joe Zatarski (joe_z) who did a beautiful job of > >desoldering and putting sockets in for the four RAM chips. > > > >--Toby > > Glad to have helped :) > > Joe Zatarski > > >>>>* I must be doing something wrong running the test manually, though - > *>>>>>>>* d/w/p 2000192c 2000 > *>>>>* Just leaves 2000 in the VAR register, permanently. > *>>>>* --Toby > *>>>>>>>>>>* Noel > *>>>>>>> > I love reading stories of component-level repair. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: VAX Common Lisp
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Glen Slick <glen.sl...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:10 AM, <asw...@t-online.de> wrote: > > any idea where to get VAX Common Lisp? > > 917AA VAX LISP/VMS [LISP030] or [LISP031] was on VMS Consolidated > Software Distribution CD sets from at least Jan-1990 to May-1993 > according to this link: > > http://de.openvms.org/spl.php?product_name=LISP=full > > I don't have any CONDIST sets that old myself to take a look. > I don't recall how old my CONDIST is but I'll try to give it a look-see. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: VAX Common Lisp
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:10 AM, <asw...@t-online.de> wrote: > any idea where to get VAX Common Lisp? > ISTR when I installed it on the VAX-11/780-5 at Living Computer Museum, I got it either from the hobbyist distribution or from the freeware collection at HP. I know I didn't jump through any special hoops to get it. In fact, I had both Common Lisp and 'Standard' Lisp installed. -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Has anyone here seen a 8H070 external floppy?
I bought one of these on eBay thinking it was the standard 37-pin D-connector that connects to an ISA floppy controller. No, it's a 25-pin D-connector. I can't find any references in Google aside from people selling them. I'm wondering if it might be something like a printer-port-connected device, in which case I'm probably out of luck trying to find its driver -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: For sale 128K Core RAM Industrial PDP 11/40 Massbus System
On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 12:29 PM, <couryho...@aol.com> wrote: > > ... > I wonder if the pdp-11 was just called pdp-11 at t that point or > was a pdp-11/20 like we have.. > I know they are essentially the same at this time point they got > their PDP 11 what did it say on the front panel I wonder? > (figuring all this stuff out for titling up the cards in the 11/20 > display we are planning.) > I think we had this discussion a while back, but I know that my 11/20 just says 'PDP-11' on the front panel. I've also seen them with '11/20', which is almost certainly a later naming as the -11 line grew. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: For sale 128K Core RAM Industrial PDP 11/40 Massbus System
On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 9:50 PM, <couryho...@aol.com> wrote: > was Unix or C the one developed on the 11/20? > Ed# > > > In a message dated 10/30/2016 6:15:32 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > el...@pico-systems.com writes: > > >> > >> Bill > > Unix? Probably a complete brain fart by me - but I thought Unix > > required a machine with separate I/D spaces and the 11/40 wasn't one > > of them? > > > > If I'm wrong that will be of some assistance to me actually :-) > > > I've run 6th Edition on an 11/34. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Old versions of Emacs
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 4:11 AM, Noel Chiappa <j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote: > > From: Lars Brinkhoff > > > Emacs in 1983 would have been Gosling Emacs, I guess. > > Prior to that one, someone else at BBN (whose name I have forgotten, alas) > did an Emacs intended for PDP-11's running Unix. It wasn't programmable > (the > way 'real' Emacs is), perhaps because there was not enough room for that > on a > PDP-11. > > I should have that on my MIT-CSR backup tapes, but if you're interested in > a > copy, it will be a while before I can excavate it; the tapes had some > dropouts, which may have made the dump (a straight 'dd' of a 4.3 > filesystem) > unreadable. > > Noel > I would love to have an Emacs I could run on my Pro-380. Then I can do some real work with it. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Altair, IMSAI, SWTPC, etc. for sale in Philly
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Glen Slick <glen.sl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Good thing I'm not in Philadelphia to blow some money on that collection... > Word. I still want an IMSAI one of these days - but I wouldn't say no to an Altair if it dropped in my lap. But I just paid tuition... so I'll just play with my SWTPC 6800 for now. (Oh, I want a 6809, too.) -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: VTServer/etc for V6 Unix
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Noel Chiappa <j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
wrote:
> So, I'm trying to do what VTServer was invented for - load Unix into an
> actual
> PDP-11, over its serial line, when one doesn't have machine-readable Unix
> on
> any mass storage for the machine.
>
> However, all the initial code that VTServer loads ('mkfs', etc) is
> V7-specific
> (V6 has a slightly different file system format) - and I want to install
> V6.
>
> Has anyone ever tweaked the programs which VTServer loads to do V6-format
> filesystems? I did a quick Google, but didn't see anything.
>
> No biggie if not, it won't be much work to adapt them all, but I figured
> I'd
> try to avoid re-inventing the wheel...
>
> Noel
>
I did this once upon a time and, while I've slept since then, I'll try to
dredge up some memories. This was putting 6th Edition on a PDP-11/34,
which still runs except for the RK05 I need to fix One Of These Days.
ISTR that one can generate a 'tape' config file with whatever components
you want/need. That was true for tools, too - I didthis with v6, so I know
there are v6-specific tools somewhere, perhaps on some machine I still have
(and I think I know which one).
I recall finding documentation for it, too, and I think I even know where
it is. I'm hoping it might have a URL in the header/footer, which might
still be extant - if not, I can scan it. I think it's somewhere in the
TUHS site, and not completely obvious so you have to hunt a bit. Cheers --
Ian
--
Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate
The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu>
Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical
Narrative Through a Design Lens
Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org>
Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org>
University of Washington
There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: MASSBUS disk emulator (Was: Unibus controller for MFM disks)
I've made some inquries, stay tuned On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Pontus Pihlgren <pon...@update.uu.se> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 12:16:10PM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > > From: Ian S. King > > > > > When I left in 2014, LCM's Massbus disk emulator was working quite > well > > > indeed, and was running in 'production' ... ISTR the plan was > always to > > > open-source the hardware and firmware, too. > > > > I'm interested in this (as I suspect are lots of other people with > machines > > that can use MASSBUS disks). Can you briefly describe what it was? Does > > anyone know anything about the status of the plans to open-source it? > > > > Noel > > > Yes! While I intend to get my Massbus disks running. An emulator would > be a great stepping stone. > > /P > -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Reasonable price for a complete SOL-20 system?
On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Fred Cisin <ci...@xenosoft.com> wrote: > But then, the college tried to FIRE him for, among other things, > retrieving computers from college dumpsters and having too much old > computer stuff. The judge of the arbitration reversed the firing, but the > college had already dumpstered ALL of "that junk" from his office. > > Please tell me that said institution has since been burned to the ground. "That junk", indeed. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Brad H <vintagecompu...@bettercomputing.net> wrote: > > > Original message -------- > From: "Ian S. King" <isk...@uw.edu> > Date: 2016-10-09 5:08 PM (GMT-08:00) > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!] > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Brad H <vintagecomputer@ > bettercomputing.net> > wrote: > > So the Cliff Notes version of this is I need to find a copy of SWTPC's > assembler? (Pretty sure I've seen it referenced somewhere) If you want to run natively, i.e. assemble programs on the 6800, yes. I'm using asm68c to cross-assemble from a *nix machine. It generates S-records that can be transferred to the 6800 over the serial line. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: cctech Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4
> > > -- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 11:31:29 -0700 > > From: Scott Baker <scott.l.ba...@gmail.com> > > To: cct...@classiccmp.org > > Subject: PDP-11/23 system for sale in Portland Oregon > > Message-ID: > > <CABW5Ymky8tCrsTKL4ehEUDt4vtkDxO1hYTDAUS2ANnxxux8Ykg@mail. > > gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Hi, > > > > Pictures can be found here: http://sierracircuitdesign. > > ddns.net/temp/pdp11/ > > > > The system is located in Portland, Oregon. Local pick-up is preferred. > > Not sure if it still works. I have not tried to turn it on in years. > > I do not have any software of floppies for it. > > I'm not sure what it's worth. If you are interested in it, make me an > > offer. > > > > Regards, > > Scott > > > > > > End of cctech Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4 > > * > > > Hi Scott, I'm talking with my colleagues at the People's Computer Museum about perhaps making you an offer. We're in Seattle, so it's a quick roadtrip to pick up. Just FYI, I'll contact you privately to let you know what consensus we reach. Thanks -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: New acquisition. Ploycorp Poly 1. New Zealand school computer
On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 5:15 AM, william degnan <billdeg...@gmail.com> wrote: > Cool system. > > Bill Degnan > twitter: billdeg > vintagecomputer.net > On Oct 8, 2016 5:33 AM, "Terry Stewart" <te...@webweavers.co.nz> wrote: > > > Hi guys, > > > > In case anyone is interested... > > http://www.classic-computers.org.nz/blog/2016-10-9-poly-acquisition.htm > > > > This could have been the BBC of New Zealand schools... (-: > > > > Terry (Tez) > > > Very cool indeed. I hope you fix the second system rather than using it as a parts beast - I think the daisy-chain connection of machines is a fascinating historical aspect. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Brad H <vintagecompu...@bettercomputing.net> wrote: > > > Original message -------- > From: "Ian S. King" <isk...@uw.edu> > Date: 2016-10-09 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!] > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 2:37 AM, Dave G4UGM <dave.g4...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Brad > H > > > Sent: 09 October 2016 07:41 > > > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > > <cctalk@classiccmp.org>; jwsm...@jwsss.com > > > Subject: Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!] > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to learn more about programming, esp for my 6800. It'd be fun > > to test > > > its limits and see what uses I can find for the graphics board I got. I > > just don't > > > understand how they programmed the thing. All the hex stuff throws me > > > off. :) > > > > Does it have a serial interface and memory. In which case it was probably > > programmed in Assembler. > > When I started with 6800 board and 256 bytes of memory, and toggle > > switches to load it I used to hand assemble the programs to get the > > hex/binary. > > I soon got bored of the toggle switches and built a little box with an > old > > calculator keyboard and display and some TTL so I could enter data > quickly. > > > > > > Dave > > > > I recently acquired a SWTPC 6800, a machine I remember from when it was > new. :-) There are many programming environments available for it - I'm > working to get Forth running on mine, then I'll branch out. > > It's been said that the 6800 inherited a lot of ideas from the PDP-8, and I > agree with that to some extent. The ISA is actually very clean and neat, > once you wrap your head around it - I used to program 6800 assembler > professionally, my first paid job as a programmer! Unlike the PDP-8, I/O > is memory-mapped. Depending on what monitor ROM you have (if any), you may > have different system services available. One very useful system is the > one that can read S-records from the serial input, allowing you to easily > transfer programs onto the machine. > > If you want to grok the 6800 in fullness, there are online scans of > Motorola's programming manual for the device. Another great resource is > the swtpc.com site, even if you don't have a SWTPC machine (what do you > have?). > > Have fun with it! Cheers -- Ian > > -- > Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate > The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> > Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical > Narrative Through a Design Lens > > Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> > Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> > > University of Washington > > >There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon >could go to China." > > I've an original SWTPC 6800. Also have an ASCI System X and a Tektronix > 6800 board bucket. Right now I'm enjoying working with the SWTPC. I'm > trying to deck it out as completely as one could have. > I don't quite understand assembly.. I assume to program in that, as with > BASIC you need to load an 'assembler' language first? I tried this with my > Digital Group system with 5 different tapes marked 'assembler' but never > got them to load. Not sure if I understand the concept. The assembler is a program that transforms (somewhat) human-readable text into machine code. There a few ways to go about structuring this workflow. So far I've been using a cross-assembler that runs on a different system - for example, the original UNIX was cross-assembled on a GE-635 mainframe for its PDP-7 target. There are native assemblers as well. These often assumed some sort of secondary store, whether punched tape, magtape or disk, that might hold intermediate stages of assembly and certainly the final product. A common workflow was: - load native assembler program from - start native assembler program - tell native assembler program where to find the source (which media) - native assembler reads in source, transforms it to object (machine code), sends the results to - programmer loads object from and runs it If you're loading an assembler program from tape, you probably need to give the monitor a 'go' instruction once it's completed (that's how MIKBUG works, anyway). The assembler may prompt for the input source or may just assume
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 2:37 AM, Dave G4UGM <dave.g4...@gmail.com> wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Brad H > > Sent: 09 October 2016 07:41 > > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > <cctalk@classiccmp.org>; jwsm...@jwsss.com > > Subject: Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!] > > > > > > > > I'd like to learn more about programming, esp for my 6800. It'd be fun > to test > > its limits and see what uses I can find for the graphics board I got. I > just don't > > understand how they programmed the thing. All the hex stuff throws me > > off. :) > > Does it have a serial interface and memory. In which case it was probably > programmed in Assembler. > When I started with 6800 board and 256 bytes of memory, and toggle > switches to load it I used to hand assemble the programs to get the > hex/binary. > I soon got bored of the toggle switches and built a little box with an old > calculator keyboard and display and some TTL so I could enter data quickly. > > > Dave > > I recently acquired a SWTPC 6800, a machine I remember from when it was new. :-) There are many programming environments available for it - I'm working to get Forth running on mine, then I'll branch out. It's been said that the 6800 inherited a lot of ideas from the PDP-8, and I agree with that to some extent. The ISA is actually very clean and neat, once you wrap your head around it - I used to program 6800 assembler professionally, my first paid job as a programmer! Unlike the PDP-8, I/O is memory-mapped. Depending on what monitor ROM you have (if any), you may have different system services available. One very useful system is the one that can read S-records from the serial input, allowing you to easily transfer programs onto the machine. If you want to grok the 6800 in fullness, there are online scans of Motorola's programming manual for the device. Another great resource is the swtpc.com site, even if you don't have a SWTPC machine (what do you have?). Have fun with it! Cheers -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: TPC-I back in one piece (was Re: TeleVideo progress)
Fine by me! My intent was to see the information shared. I've been helped by the experiences others have shared here and elsewhere, so I'm glad to return the favor. :-) On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Noel Chiappa <j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote: > > From: Ian S. King > > > What I want to record here for posterity is how to open one of these > > things. > > I archived this to the Computer History wiki: > > http://gunkies.org/wiki/TeleVideo_TPC-1 > > Hope that was OK! > > Noel > -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:54 PM, william degnan <billdeg...@gmail.com> wrote: > To me, getting old computers up and running, or programming on them *is* > the game as far as I am concerned. More fun than most packaged software > games. I have made my own games, and I certainly play computer games, but > that's not why I am interested in vintage computing. > > I just spent a few hours tonight attempting to network my NeXTstation color > computer and get to the post of accessing the vcfed.org forum so I could > post a message on there. Just for fun, using ancient dawn of the WWW > technology.Feels like a game to me, there is no practical purpose to > doing this other than enjoyment. > > My point is for those of us who pooh pooh vintage gamers not to take > themselves too seriously. We're all just playing games if you ask me. > Maybe thirty years ago, I had a friend who was into computers as a hobby, as was I, and both of us also worked with them in our day jobs. We'd get together and he'd tell me about his latest game acquisition. Then it was my turn to talk, and I'd tell him about hacking the 0.98 Linux kernel to do something I thought was interesting. I've never been a gamer, but always played games down in the kernel. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 9:07 AM, j...@cimmeri.com <j...@cimmeri.com> wrote: > > > On 10/8/2016 6:06 AM, Corey Cohen wrote: > >> ... >> >> So does this mean you should hoard everything you have until the price >> goes up? I don't have a crystal ball to tell you what is the next item of >> value. Who knew that a movie about the Tucker automobile would make a >> Tucker one of the most desirable cars to a rare car collector. >> > > Nice post, but not everyone is in to old computers for future potential > investment value. The thought never even occurred to me when I was > acquiring the machines I have, I don't care what their value is or becomes, > and the sight of hoarders doing so to hit upon some jackpot kind sickens my > stomach. I just have a severe aversion to all forms of greed. > I was talking to a non-collector acquaintance just a few minutes ago who asked whether I was going to sell my TeleVideo TPC-I now that it works. For a moment I thought he'd lapsed into a foreign language -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
TPC-I back in one piece (was Re: TeleVideo progress)
On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 8:20 PM, jim stephens <jwsm...@jwsss.com> wrote: > > > On 10/2/2016 6:23 PM, Ian S. King wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I've posted looking for help with a TeleVideo TPC-1, and I've heard a lot >> of crickets >> > I saw your FB posting, good job, and chirp chirp. > >>I've ordered an exact, tested/guaranteed >> working replacement from ePay, >> > Those were common drives, but be sure to do a careful inspection, as some > of the drives had variants that were subtle. > > good job, great you got it working. > thanks > JIm > >> and I'm going to have everything working to >> spec before I snap this thing back together. >> >> Yes, I'm having fun. :-) >> >> OK, my 'new' Teac drive arrived and passed inspection. I carefully jumpered it to match the original, reassembled just enough that I could plug it in, and... success! So to recap (pun intended), the machine had bad caps in the power supply (leaking goo) and a bad drive 0. What I want to record here for posterity is how to open one of these things. It was a real pain, which I've heard was intentional. Reassembly was challenging, too, but at least I could see what was happening. So here goes: To disassemble, you need to remove four screws. Facing the unit as it sits on the bench (i.e. operating position), there are two screws on the top of the machine at the front corners and two others on the rear, vertically centered and near each vertical edge (one of them is in the recess where you can store the power and keyboard cables). Now it gets fun. The unit disassembles into a top cover that wraps over side-to-side, and a rear piece that holds the majority of the electronics. The bottom piece of the main case holds the power supply, floppy cage and some of the video electronics. There are plastic 'teeth' that fit into indents at various point along those pieces. For the top cover, the 'teeth' are part of the cover, one per corner. For the back panel, the teeth snap into the top and bottom of the main part of the case. The teeth are also accompanied by a very thin indent in the case piece. It's sort of a muscle job to get these things separated. I got the back piece free before removing the top piece, with a little help from a putty knife in those indents. There are screws in the bottom of the case that hold in the power supply and the floppy cage One of the floppy case screws is located underneath the tilt 'foot'. Putting it back together: be sure you have the logic board *inside* the screw points for the back panel, but don't put in the screws yet. Seat the top cover with its teeth in place, and insert the two front screws (don't screw down tightly yet). Then, lever the back panel's teeth into their slots, watching the top cover to be sure it doesn't try to pop off. Insert the two rear screws and tighten. Now tighten the front two screws, and it's back together. It may take a little jostling to get everything to reseat completely. Now to go through the metric butt-ton of software I got with this thing - over a hundred floppies. Looking at the labels, some are duplicates, some are 'working' disks, and some are original TeleVideo floppies with system software. Fortunately, one of them is Kermit, which will make the archiving job a lot easier! OK, that was fun. Next! Probably the Kenwood TH-77A I bought that won't transmit. Cheers -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Magnetic media FTGH!
t; > QuickBasic 1 > QuickBasic 2 > QuickBasic 3 > Network Boot DOS 3.1 > > There is also a set of original Borland Turbo C diskettes: > > INSTALL/HELPA2B0427471 > INTEGRATED DEVELOPMENT ENVIRONMENT > COMMAND LINE/UTILITIES > LIBRARIES > HEADER FILES/LIBRARIES > EXAMPLES/BGI/MISC > > and two sets of six which appear to be working copies of the above. > > There are three Microsoft-branded floppies: > > Microsoft Mouse Setup/Mouse Menus 1 > Microsoft PaintbrushProgram/Mouse Menus 2 > Microsoft PaintbrushUtilities Disk > > and two that don't fit any of the above: > > -- > label partially ripped off: remaining text is > BL-N639C-BH > P/OS HARD DIS > DISPATCH > VOLUME LABEL "PROD > 1983 > © Digital Equipmen > -- > BitFax for Windows V2.08A > (01/25/93) > > BitCom Deluxe with MNP5 v5.1 > (06/20/91) > -- > > This is all in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. In general, I suck at getting > things shipped; local pickup, either in person or by proxy, is much > preferred. I can try to find the round tuits to ship, but it's usually > a losing proposition (I have at least two boxes of stuff that have been > awaiting shipment for months at this point). > > /~\ The ASCII Mouse > \ / Ribbon Campaign > X Against HTMLmo...@rodents-montreal.org > / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B > -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Blue Origin launch (Was: uVAX system (mostly) that Ian King was interested in)
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 1:38 PM, John H. Reinhardt <johnhreinha...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On 10/5/2016 3:34 PM, jim stephens wrote: > >> >> >> On 10/4/2016 7:47 AM, Ian S. King wrote: >> >>> Jon >>>> > >>>> >Sorry for the delay in responding, Jon - I'm launching a spaceship this >>>> >>> week.:-) (Seewww.blueorigin.com.) I'll reply privately. >>> >>> -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School < >>> http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: >>> Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens >>> >> Congratulations to Blue Origins on today's test >> >> http://gizmodo.com/blue-origin-shocks-everyone-even-itself- >> by-landing-ro-1787443961 >> >> I'm thinking that is the rocket he was launching. >> >> >> > I'd guess so too. I watched the video a few hours ago. Pretty amazing. > Although I wonder how the crew/passengers would hold up while the capsule > was doing that looping a few seconds into the escape firing. I imagine the > G-forces were pretty high for a few seconds. But I'm no rocket scientist > so I could be wrong. Overall a pretty specatcular thing. > > John H. Reinhardt > Yup, that was us. An escape event is hopefully (!) a pretty rare thing - we had to 'rig' the software to make it happen. (One news article said, "Engineers did..." but no, it was the flight systems aboard the spacecraft.) But if it does happen, sure, it's not going to be fun - but you'll live to tell the tale. And of course, what we learned today will be used to improve the systems we'll fly next. BTW, this was the first flying escape test since the Apollo days. We're in pretty good spirits here today. :-) Cheers -- Ian PS: we're hiring like crazy. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: mc68010+mc68451 Unix source?
On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Al Kossow <a...@bitsavers.org> wrote: > > > On 10/4/16 3:02 PM, Ken Seefried wrote: > > > Dumb question...did the '451 have a mechanism to work around the > > instruction restart issue in the 68000? > > no. the 68451 is a segmented mmu, so you wouldn't use it for demand > paging. the normal way you use it in unix is setting up segents for > text, data, and bss > > > > I remember reading the spec sheets for a MMU of that type - for the 6809! That was one versatile little processor. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: uVAX system (mostly) that Ian King was interested in
On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Jon Elson <el...@pico-systems.com> wrote: > On 10/02/2016 08:23 PM, Ian S. King wrote: > > Back in July we corresponded about a uVAX system that was less than > complete that you had expressed interest in. I sent a private email, but > didn't get a response. So, I'm trying again here. > > What I have is the lower part of cabinet, power supply and main board, no > mezzanine boards for DV-31ETA-A-A01 VaxStation 3100. The unit is 16 Lbs, > and 20 x 15 x 6" without a box. I'd guess it would be at least 20 Lbs when > boxed up. > > Are you still interested, Ian? > > (Sorry to have to send this to the whole list...) > > Jon > > Sorry for the delay in responding, Jon - I'm launching a spaceship this week. :-) (See www.blueorigin.com.) I'll reply privately. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
TeleVideo progress
Hi all, I've posted looking for help with a TeleVideo TPC-1, and I've heard a lot of crickets - apparently this isn't a commonly held machine. :-) But I've made progress with it, which I want to share. When I first got it, the display would light up and ask me to insert a floppy. Doing so would promptly douse the display. I figured, 'power supply', and recapped the entire thing - after the venture of figuring out how to open the case! I found a post in netnews that strongly suggested TeleVideo had suppressed information about opening the case to protect their service centers' business It's an odd combination of 'push there, pull there and be bold', but I got it open. Recapping was a success, and the machine attempts to boot from disk 0 - and tries, and tries, and I figured that drive 0, being the most used, might have issues, but wasn't looking forward to pulling out the drive cage and swapping them as a test. But then I noticed that drive 1's circuit board was visible, and I rejumpered it to be drive 0 - and success, the machine booted into CP/M! Sure, I could just leave it as a single-drive machine, or swap the two and pray - but this is a restoration. I've ordered an exact, tested/guaranteed working replacement from ePay, and I'm going to have everything working to spec before I snap this thing back together. Yes, I'm having fun. :-) -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: ka... ching!
On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 1:57 PM, j...@cimmeri.com <j...@cimmeri.com> wrote: > > On 10/1/2016 3:21 PM, N0body H0me wrote: > >> -Original Message- >>> From: ccl...@sydex.com >>> Sent: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 11:12:02 -0700 >>> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org >>> Subject: Re: ka... ching! >>> >>> On 10/01/2016 08:27 AM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: >>> >>> But, like airplanes and boats, this looks like only a rich person's game. >>>> >>> ... >>> >>> The game has changed, obviously. We are in an era now when folks with >>> too much money and spare time and narcissism want to buy and sell and >>> display toys rather than play with them. >>> >>> Looks like it's time to get out of this racket. >>> >>> --Chuck >>> >> Yeh. Once we started seeing Classical Computers that could be considered >> 'investment grade', prices just got ridiculous for everything. Everyone >> with an old computer in their closet started seeing dollar-signs. >> > > From where I sit, the big prices seem mostly centered around Apple 1's and > this Twiggy Lisa. Have any other computers have gone astronomical like > these? > > - J. > There are a couple of sellers in particular who routinely ask insane prices, which I think distorts the economy: 'If that guy can ask a gazillion dollars/pounds/euro for X, so can I." I think few people actually look at *completed* sales, i.e. what people really paid for something. On one hand, it's a shame stuff ends up on ePay where it becomes the target of 'feeding frenzy' behaviors - but it's not going to the scrappers, which is good. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: ISO: VAXBI hardware
I'll look in my stash - for sure no VAXBI SCSI boards :-) I may have some spare DSSI boards, though, as well as a T1010. It's just a matter of finding them On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Ethan Dicks <ethan.di...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Josh Dersch <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi all -- > > > > I have a VAX 8250 I'm bringing up and I'd like to track down an Ethernet > > adapter, this would be the T1034 (DEBNT). There are a few on eBay, but > > none include the cabling and bulkhead, which would be nice to have. > > I think I came upon one of those many years ago and never managed to > get the cabling working (the module shows up). I'd love to hear about > any resolution on this. > > > I'm also looking for a T1010 (BI to Unibus adapter), as the one in my > > system is shot (and given the lack of documentation, I doubt I'm going to > > be able to fix it). > > I have a couple of broken T1010 boards - the damage was obvious - > something messed up with the cabling caused some sort of high-current > fault that cracked a specific DEC IC and fried the trace going to the > part. If you have one that "doesn't work", it depends on what's > really going on as to how "fixable" it is. I now have a good set of > cables, a good T1010 module, a good DD11-DK, and three bad M9313 UET > boards. I know they are bad because I can follow what docs _are_ out > there, bang on some BI registers and see that it's failing self-test > in a specific way that means "I can't talk to the UET". If you can > talk to the BI chip on your T1010 board (the state of the yellow LED > is not indicative of that), then you might be able to learn something > about what's failing. If you can't talk to the BIIC, they are > socketed and you could try swapping it with one from another board. > There are a couple of revs of the BIIC. I've never known that it > makes much practical difference, but just be aware there are stamped > revision letters on the chip. > > As mentioned, besides the T1010, you'll need 4x 30-pin cables, and a > paddle card to the front of a DD11, and the DD11 itself - mine is in a > BA11-K next to the cabinet with the 8250 BA32, but I know that there > were also some BA32 with one BI cage and one DD11-DK. I do not know > how those are powered or wired in. You'll also need a working M9313. > That's the specific reason I'm trying to get a Unibus PDP-11 working > right now - to test my M9313 cards and verify any repairs. > > > Also -- any suggestions for mass storage? I have a KDB50 (T1002, T1003 > > set), but SDI drives are getting harder to find. > > I still owe you a list and/or picture from my external SDI<->ESDI box, > but, yeah, SDI drives aren't getting more abundant. > > > I assume VAXBI SCSI > > adapters are even more scarce than their Unibus counterparts > > ISTR back in the day, new, a VAXBI SCSI board was $10,000. I have > never seen one in person. > > -ethan > -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Linux at 25
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 4:18 PM, jim stephens <jwsm...@jwsss.com> wrote: > > > On 9/14/2016 4:14 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > >> I was a bit surprised to >>> find that my home thermostat was running BusyBox. >>> >> s/surprised/alarmed/ >> >> Remember, it's going to be the Internet of Pwned Things before too long. >> >> Busybox is the first big lawsuit over GPL as well, wonder if these folks > complied with the various restrictions. > > thanks > jim > > And technology is always better when the lawyers get involved, right? -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Subjects, Topics and Threading
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Dale H. Cook <radiot...@juno.com> wrote: > At 06:30 PM 9/14/2016, J. wrote: > > >How is sending a new email any different than replying / changing subject > line? > > The message headers contain data that identify which thread a message is > part of. Subscribers normally do not see that data because very few people > have a reason to look at the full headers of a message. Replying to an > existing thread without changing the subject maintains that data. Replying > to an existing thread but changing the subject line also maintains that > data, which identifies the reply as part of the original thread. In both > cases the message appears in the list archives as part of the original > thread. > > Starting a new thread with a new subject assigns new data identifying the > new thread. It appears in the list archives as part of a new thread, > independent from the original thread. That is part of the way in which > mailing list software, in general, works. > > Oh boy, oh boy! We haven't had a 'mailing-list-behavior' thread in, oh, days! I was getting bored with all the conversation about vintage hardware and software - it was so, well, meaningful. We haven't had a good food-fight here in... days! -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Logic Analyser Advice
On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 1:27 AM, Rob Jarratt <robert.jarr...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > I will buy a set and see how it goes. I also believe there are some probes > that are designed to clip over a whole IC, any recommendations for those? I > did try using one once but it was designed to be used in conjunction with > grabber clips and it was so fiddly that I gave up, so I am wondering if > there is something better. > > Thanks > > Rob DIP clips? They can be found, but since DIPs are mostly considered obsolete they are pretty pricey these days. Watch on ePay - I picked up a raft of them from some company closing its service department (cheaper just to throw things away). The grey plugs that fit into the end of the pods have a connector that fits over an individual pin - they work great on wire-wrap pins! - and those can be attached to the DIP clip before you clamp the clip on the IC. There have been a couple of times I've had every single pod in play, each connected to one or even two DIP clips. -- Ian > > > > > Be very careful if you take a pod apart, there is a delicate ceramic > hybrid > > circuit inside. > > > > -tony= > > -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: 50 yrs. of Star Trek!
Thank ${deity} we still have those.
On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 9:21 PM, ben <bfranc...@jetnet.ab.ca> wrote:
> On 9/9/2016 7:58 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 9 Sep 2016, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote:
>>
>>> Actually it actually *does* exist and is reasonable to manufacture.
>>> Here’s the
>>> article:
>>> http://www.nrl.navy.mil/media/news-releases/2015/transparent
>>> -armor-from-nrl-spinel-could-also-ruggedize-your-smart-phone
>>>
>>>
>>> It’s basically a sintered process where the ceramic is formed (this
>>> particular one is called spinel)
>>> and the process is to put the powder in a press, raise the temperature
>>> and evacuate the air.
>>> The result is a clear crystal that has better properties than glass.
>>> The size of the piece is only
>>> limited by the size of the press.
>>>
>>
>> Ah yes, but can you make in sheets 60 feet by 10 feet by 1 inch
>>>>> thick and
>>>>> withstand the pressure of 18,000 cu ft of water? :)
>>>>>
>>>>
>> THAT would be a big heated vacuum press
>>
>> But where will you get the whale?
> Ben.
>
>
--
Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate
The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu>
Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical
Narrative Through a Design Lens
Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org>
Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org>
University of Washington
There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Logic Analyser Advice
Do you have the grey rectangular bits that plug into the pods? If not, you're pretty much screwed - they are (were) a proprietary part. I have a 1630G and I really like it, but I held out until I could find one with the bits that plug into the pods, since they are unobtainium. On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Rob Jarratt <robert.jarr...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > I finally managed to pick up a logic analyser for a price I could justify. > It is a HP1630G and it comes with a number of pods. However the pods do not > seem to have the actual wires/probes. Is there a separate part number for > these that I should look for. There seem to be quite a few items like this: > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291753390848, are these likely to be suitable > alternatives? > > > > Thanks > > > > Rob > > -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: 50 yrs. of Star Trek!
It's interesting to me that the Enterprise computers were effectively command-and-control grammars, albeit somewhat freeform regarding the commands (e.g., "Provide information about such-and-so" with no paramters as to *what* knowledge). There were only a select few episodes about self-aware or self-actualizing computers, and ISTR they were all critical. -- Ian On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:00 PM, jim stephens <jwsm...@jwsss.com> wrote: > > > On 9/8/2016 10:41 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > >> >> On 9/8/16 10:03 AM, Murray McCullough wrote: >> >>> What role did Star Trek play in the rise of small computers that are >>> so ubiquitous today? >>> >> The main thing that comes to mind is how often images or references to TOS >> appear in mid-70's computing magazines. >> > > I would say that Samuel Harbison's ascii art was impacted. He did a > project to produce ascii > art very early on (I think there is a tape floating around if you have a > spare impact line printer > around) which included a Spock picture. The image I think is dated 1973. > > When I went to track him down to get permission to share his tape of > images, I went at it > just looking for the Sam Harbison of the header on the tape images. I then > realized he is the > Harbison of Harbison & Steel which was on the shelf behind me as my main C > programming > reference manual. Duh. He is a very nice fellow and said he had no > objection. > > I noted Mike Loewen interviewed him about it some time later and did a > nice web page > about it. > > http://i.imgur.com/K9EZq.jpg > > http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~alien/aaa.html > > https://savedparadigms.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/harbison- > s-p-steele-g-l-c-a-reference-manual-5th-ed.pdf > > http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/ASCII/ > -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Apple IIGS on epay - local pickup in Seattle
Ack, I wish I'd seen this sooner! I'm in Seattle -- Ian On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Eric Christopherson < echristopher...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sep 5, 2016 2:36 PM, "Eric Christopherson" <echristopher...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > On Sep 5, 2016 1:21 PM, "Glen Slick" <glen.sl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Sep 5, 2016 11:07 AM, "Eric Christopherson" < > echristopher...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Anyone want this? Less than 4 his remaining. > > > > > > > > Actually I'd love to have someone win it for me and sell it to me at > > > VCFMW, > > > > but I've never arranged such a thing so I don't know what to estimate > the > > > > cost to me would be. (Plus it probably won't stay at $49 for long.) > I'd > > > bid > > > > on it myself and then worry about getting it to me, but they > explicitly > > > day > > > > they don't accept third-party shippers. > > > > > > Item 401179185305 at Seattle Goodwill? Where are you located? > > > > Yes, that's the one. Sorry, just forgot to paste the link - - wasn't > trying to keep others from finding it. > > > > http://m.ebay.com/itm/401179185305?_mwBanner=1 > > > > > > > > If you bid and won you could probably get someone on the list to pick > it up > > > for you and ship it to you after you paid for the item and the > shipping. > > > > > > -Glen > > I didn't manage to win it, but Seattle Goodwill did tell me they would be > fine with having someone pick it up for me. > > It only doubled in price... Pity. > -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: The huge lot that had the NIB 8" floppies is now on ebay
IMHO there have been some really fun conversations spun off of such posts, whether of the nature of "What the h*ll is that?", or "What moron would charge that much for that?", or even "Ah, I remember" I agree that the volume is low enough and the entertainment value high enough to leave things be. -- Ian On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Noel Chiappa <j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote: > > From: js > > > That would be my preference as well. A "ccebay at classiccmp.org" > list. > > I think we all know that wouldn't work, for a number of reasons. > > > Or at least in an indication in the subject line "ebay: [topic]" so > > they can get filtered out. > > This, however, I can definitely see as a good move. I will add such a tag > to > any eBay notification posts I make, and I encourage everyone else who posts > such to do the same. > > > > From: Peter Coghlan > > >> It's a tiny bit more work to use them > > > Any given posting to a mailing list is sent by one person and read by > > many. If there is a small effort to be made, it makes more sense for > > the sender to make it once than all the interested recipients to have > > to duplicate the effort. > > Excellent point. > > And the "eBay:" tag idea follow this principle too, I will note... So let's > remember to add that tag, everyone! > > Noel > -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Power Supply capacitor physical size
I try very hard to match physical size and since, as has been noted, that usually means higher working voltage, it's not a negative. If you're preserving something as an historical artifact, be sure to document what you've done! Otherwise, someone will be really confused 10-20 years from now when, trying to maintain the machine, they see a different value on the board than on the printset. :-) IMHO -- Ian On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Adrian Graham <wit...@binarydinosaurs.co.uk > wrote: > On 03/09/2016 17:39, "Jon Elson" <el...@pico-systems.com> wrote: > > > On 09/03/2016 10:56 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > >>> From: Jon Elson > >> > >>>> needs new caps since one of the 1000uF 16V ones has bulged badly. > >>>> ... > >>>> If I go up to 25V I can get 16mm diameter which is the size of the old > >>>> ones. > >> > >>> Capacitors that are subjected to high AC ripple current may need the > >>> large surface area for cooling. > >> > >> Interesting point - but in his particular case, he should be OK > replacing the > >> old 16V cap with a similar-sized modern 25V cap? > >> > >> > > Similar size - then no problem! But, some new cap types are > > VASTLY smaller than the caps from 40 years ago. > > Hence my question, I'll stick with the same size but higher voltage. > > Cheers! > > -- > Adrian/Witchy > Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator > Www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UK's biggest private home computer > collection? > > > -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Front Panel Update - PDP-8/i
I tried to mail you off-list and got an error from your mail server. I would like to know your pricing - I have a rebadged 8/I that could use a facelift. Thanks. On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Rod Smallwood < rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi Guys > >PDP-8/i panels are now shipping. If you are quick with your > order we can ship to-morrow > > Rod (Panelman) Smallwood > > > -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Flex Disc options for the HP 9825
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Rik Bos <hp-...@xs4all.nl> wrote: > No, they just blow the main fuse. > The thyristor is a 2N4441. > > -Rik > > Van: Paul Berger In my experience, 'blow the main fuse' is the usual approach with a crowbar - in other words, trigger the protection device that already exists. -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: R: HP to acquire SGI
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 8:09 PM, ben <bfranc...@jetnet.ab.ca> wrote: > On 8/12/2016 9:15 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: > >> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016, Mazzini Alessandro wrote: >> >>> It was not enough to have mishandled vms, and killed palm. Now they >>> want to destroy also what's left of SGI ? >>> Better I don't say what I'm really thinking... >>> >> >> "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for men of good conscience to >> remain silent." >> >> >> Apollo, DEC, Compaq, Ericsson, Palm, . . . >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Hewlett-Packard >> >> >> If HP and Microsoft merged, would it put an end to computers? >> > > HP-BOX now runs all the games and windows* too. Ben. > * Game of upgrading every 9 months. > > Grab all the SGI docs/bits you can, before HP sends them to /dev/null and 404 -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: VAX file format conversion
On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Douglas Taylor <dj.tayl...@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Ian ; > > I set the baud rate for 300, it was torture, but it worked. However, on > the vax I had to make sure the terminal width was set to 132. > > The license file ran past 80 characters occasionally and screwed things > up, because the Vax would 'wrap' those lines. > > The next hurdle is to get the networking functioning again. Are there any > tricks I should know about concerning the AUI to 10BaseT adapters? > > It has been about a dozen years since I last did this and at that time it > was working. > > Doug > > It's not so much the baud rate but the character rate, at least for something like a VAX. For a PDP-8, baud rate is important, too! I have used (and continue to use) a lot of those AUI-TP adapters, and they all seemed to be plug-and-play. I've also used old network hubs with BNC connectors to do thinnet networks - necessary for some of my machines. Oh, ISTR that a lot of VAXstations did have a button near the AUI and BNC connectors asking you to choose. Choose wisely, Grasshopper, and you shall be rewarded with packet traffic. Cheers -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Spam [was Re: still looking for that stuff?]
On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 9:48 AM, ANDY HOLT <andy.h...@tesco.net> wrote: > > >> Spam will not stop until the last spammer is dead. > > > > Actually, it's really simple to stop spam. Simple, not easy. > > > > You just need to delegate responsibility along with authority when > > handing out netblocks, registering domain names, and the like. > > When there were only tens of thousands of mail nodes (few of which had > more than a > few thousand accounts it was practical to put the responsibility on > postmasters. > With tens of millions (often with millions of customers) that is no longer > so. > "Every time you send a spam message, you kill a kitten. Think of the kittens. Unless you're a dog person - then think of the puppies." -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: VAX file format conversion
On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:26 PM, emanuel stiebler <e...@e-bbes.com> wrote: > On 2016-08-11 14:08, Douglas Taylor wrote: > >> I have a MicroVax 4000 that I am trying to update the license PAKs on, >> the last time I had valid PAKs on this machine was in 2002 (Hobbyist >> Licenses). >> >> I registered and have received the new Hobbyist License PAKs. >> >> I connected a laptop and transferred the text file using C-Kermit on the >> VAX and hyperterminal on the laptop. >> >> When I go to execute the file, I get an error: >> >> $@hobbyist-use-only-va.txt >> >> %RMS-W-RTB 512 bye record to large for user buffer >> >> It appears that when the file was transferred it showed up on the vax >> with fixed length records of 512 bytes, not variable length. >> >> Can I convert the file on the VAX? >> >> Is there a setting for C-Kermit that I need to change? >> >> Is Hyperterminal screwing things up? >> > > I usually just send it a textfile, so open the editor, put it in input > mode, download the file, save it. Don't forget, to make a dealy after every > ... > > I've always just set the terminal emulator to a slow per-character rate and pushed it into the console. As long as VMS can process each line before the next one starts, you should be golden. -- Ian -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: Bill Gates: Windows 95 Was 'A High Point'
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Brad H <vintagecompu...@bettercomputing.net> wrote: > > > I would call Win 95 a high point also. I lived near Toronto at the time > and remember the unfurling of a huge Win 95 banner down one side. There > were events everywhere. MS was really at their zenith. The excitement > around that launch was like nothing since. I believe I got swept up and > installed it immediately but shortly after removed it. Couldn't get used > to the interface. Eventually for one reason or another I had to and did go > back to it. Wasn't the greatest or most stable OS and was kind of a half > breed at that, but man.. what I wouldn't give to feel the anticipation > again, the difference between it and DOS. Nothing released on either PC or > Mac has come close. > Brad > > I have a can of Sapporo beer with the Win 95 logo - not a sticker, part of the 'paint job' of the can! It's still full, too - I've never been a big a fan of Sapporo, it's obviously cooler as a 'complete' artifact, and by now that stuff in there must be incredibly funky -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: the value of old test and repair equipment
I really like my old test gear and yes, it just seems right to be restoring vintage computers with vintage instruments. HP scopes, logic analyzers, DVMs; function generator; Tek scope, frequency counter; as well as just 'sundry'. But I did break down and buy a DDS frequency generator to work on my VHF/UHF ham gear. On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 6:07 PM, drlegendre . <drlegen...@gmail.com> wrote: > In fact, the value of old test gear varies tremendously.. > > Vacuum tube testers of certain makes & models are near the top of the food > chain, with clean, working examples pulling $1500+ (USD) on a very regular > basis. > > There's also a strong following for much 'classic' audio analysis gear (HD > meters, ID meters, spectrum analyzers, etc.) some very fine multi-meters > and anything really hi-end like General Radio, Breull & Kejjr, HP, and so > forth. > > Some very early examples from the 1910s to 30's also pull good value simply > for visual appeal. Much of this gear is resplendent with embossed, enameled > panels, sculpted Bakelite knobs, large meter movements and an overall Art > Deco styling. > > Seen a nice Supreme Diagnometer recently? Or any of the 40s-70s era English > made tube testers, like the AVO? Hickok also made a series of bench VTVMs > with massive chromed meters, designed to be large enough that they can be > read from many feet away.. those are beautiful for display, and guess what > - they work great, too! > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 5:24 PM, Dale H. Cook <radiot...@juno.com> wrote: > > > At 03:52 PM 7/28/2016, Electronics Plus wrote: > > > > >... does as-is old test and repair equip that won't be particularly > cheap > > have interest to you guys? > > > > It depends entirely on the make and model of equipment. I always have a > > laundry list of stuff I am looking for - one of the reasons why I bring > my > > tablet to meets. > > > > Dale H. Cook, GR / HP Collector, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA > > http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/radios/index.html > > > > > -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
Re: more vintage computer stuff
Thanks for keeping us in the loop on these things! -- Ian On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Electronics Plus <sa...@elecplus.com> wrote: > Sorry guys, but it seems there was a take all buyer from CA who took the > entire lot. It is no longer available. > > > > Cindy Croxton > > Electronics Plus > > 500 Pershing Ave. > > Kerrville, TX 78028 > > 830-370-3239 cell > > sa...@elecplus.com > > AOL IM elcpls > > > > -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
