[cctalk] Re: Z80 vs other microprocessors of the time.

2024-04-22 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/22/24 19:14, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 4/22/2024 2:30 PM, Paul Koning wrote: On Apr 22, 2024, at 2:09 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Following along this line of thought but also in regards all our other small CPUs Would it not be possible to use

[cctalk] Re: Z80 vs other microprocessors of the time.

2024-04-22 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/22/24 16:06, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: On 2024-04-22 5:21 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 4/22/24 13:02, Wayne S wrote: I read somewhere that the cable lengths were expressly engineered to provide that signals arrived to chips at nearly the same time so as to reduce chip

[cctalk] Re: Last Buy notification for Z80 (Z84C00 Product line)

2024-04-20 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/19/24 21:07, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Gee! Have sales gone down? One more reason to use the 8080 subset when writing CP/M programs. Aren't there already some licensed second sources? Harris also made an all-CMOS plug-compatible Z-80.  I used it in a low-power project. Jon

[cctalk] Re: Last Buy notification for Z80 (Z84C00 Product line)

2024-04-20 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/19/24 20:57, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: As it is now, running z80 production must no longer be profitable for Zilog, but some other manufacturer can license z80 production. Right? If there is a demand someone will produce them Rochester Electronics might buy up the masks and uncut

[cctalk] Re: Other input devices.

2024-04-13 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/12/24 20:55, ben via cctalk wrote: Did any one ever use a keyboard to magtape as input device? I bought a surplus desktop key to tape machine made by Pertec.  It had a 7" 9-track drive in it, a small core memory and a field of light bulbs to show the read-back contents, as well as the

[cctalk] Re: Odd IBM mass storage systems

2024-04-13 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/12/24 20:21, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Apr 12, 2024, at 7:48 PM, Van Snyder via cctalk wrote: ... The other was to print on its "whippet" printer, a very fast electrostatic printer that put soot onto a thermal paper that was then heated to "fix" it. There was a huge variac under

[cctalk] Re: IBM 360

2024-04-10 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/10/24 11:19, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 4/10/24 08:17, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: The 360/20 had only halfword instructions, no float, no char strings. But, main storage was 16 bits wide. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "char strings", but SS instructions MVC, MVN

[cctalk] Re: IBM 360 and 1400 series emulation

2024-04-10 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/10/24 07:18, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: Nearly all the 360s were microcoded, so adding a bit more microcode let them emulate 1400/7000 series computers as a standard optional feature. (well the model 44 emulated the 1620, and probably the 95/195 could not emulate anything since they

[cctalk] Re: IBM 360

2024-04-10 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/10/24 01:51, Van Snyder via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 2024-04-09 at 22:21 -0700, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 4/9/24 22:03, ben via cctalk wrote: On 2024-04-09 8:53 p.m., Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: I had not realized the IBM 360 was 60 yrs. old this month. I worked on such a

[cctalk] Re: IBM 360

2024-04-10 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/10/24 00:21, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 4/9/24 22:03, ben via cctalk wrote: What model of a 360? 8K sounds a lot like a Model 20, which the purists may not consider to be a "real" member of the family. Yup, the /20 should have been called a System 180, as it was about half of a

[cctalk] Re: EMP was: oscilloscopes

2024-04-02 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/2/24 00:03, Just Kant via cctalk wrote: Accordimg to certain individuals on this list, going back a few years, electronics/computers can be damaged due to an electrical storm, presumably very intense activity, even while off. Go look through the archives. I have had two incidents where

[cctalk] Re: EMP was: oscilloscopes

2024-04-02 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/1/24 20:46, Christian Kennedy via cctalk wrote: On 4/1/24 17:42, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: Will things like PDAs and tablets, powered off and stored inside steel ammo boxes survive? Yes, as will most contemporary electronics, even without elaborate protection. Right, I think

[cctalk] Re: DEC Processor Books

2024-03-17 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 3/17/24 11:11, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: On 3/17/24 09:13, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: I have often wondered about the people we find in the various DEC Processor (and other) books.  Were they models in staged photo-sessions or were these candid shots from DEC facilities

[cctalk] Re: DEC Processor Books

2024-03-17 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 3/17/24 09:13, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: I have often wondered about the people we find in the various DEC Processor (and other) books.  Were they models in staged photo-sessions or were these candid shots from DEC facilities and if so, can anyone identify who they might be. I know

[cctalk] Re: recreating old computers [was: Paper tape in casettes...]

2024-02-27 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 2/27/24 20:34, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: Again, even if somebody offered me a complete IBM model 30 with disk and tape drives, I could not afford the shipping. would A 360/30 could be a real problem.  It used air bags to push the microcode cards against the bit line boards.  Those air

[cctalk] Re: Paper tape in casettes...

2024-02-27 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 2/27/24 08:58, erik--- via cctalk wrote: Hi Jon! think the Bendix G-15 had cassettes for the 5-level tape they used. Aha, interesting! Did a short search, but have not been able to find a picture of a casette. Just a pile of paper tape instead ;-)

[cctalk] Re: Paper tape in casettes...

2024-02-27 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 2/27/24 00:17, Dr. Erik Baigar via cctalk wrote: I wonder whether anyone kows if someone else had the idea of putting paper/mylar tape into a casette for repeated use e.g. to load an OS or similar. I think the Bendix G-15 had cassettes for the 5-level tape they used. I had an optical

[cctalk] Re: Turbo Prolog

2024-02-25 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 2/25/24 16:20, Gavin Scott via cctalk wrote: Turbo Pascal is even still available as its originators took it back from Borland and made it into Visual Prolog for Windows which has a free personal edition (the commercial license is only 100 euros too). Also there's GNU Prolog if you just want

[cctalk] Re: Vmebus

2024-01-30 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 1/30/24 11:09, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: On 1/29/24 22:07, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: Anyone have a VMEbus system they use at least occasionally? If so, what make/model/config? Oh, also my Samsung-made pick and place machine has a 68020 to run the motion system, and a PC that runs

[cctalk] Re: Vmebus

2024-01-30 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 1/29/24 22:07, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: Anyone have a VMEbus system they use at least occasionally? If so, what make/model/config? We have a Weiner VME system, specifically designed for nuclear data acquisition. I have a couple other VME crates with power supplies we use for the

[cctalk] Re: RIP: Software design pioneer and Pascal creator Niklaus Wirth

2024-01-04 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 1/4/24 15:49, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Jan 4, 2024, at 4:32 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: Evangelist of lean software and devisor of 9 programming languages and an OS was 89 https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/04/niklaus_wirth_obituary/ The great man has left us. Great

[cctalk] Re: Trouble with a Samsung monitor

2023-12-05 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 12/3/23 15:44, Van Snyder via cctalk wrote: I have a formerly-gorgeous 27-inch Samsung monitor: Model LF27T350FHNXZA Serial 0AS1HCNR904588L S/W M-T3527FGGA-1006.1 that now has a minor defect. The "wallpaper" has a dim stripe about 1/6th of the screen width, top-to-bottom, about 1/6th from

[cctalk] Re: Need a SCSI 1/2' tape drive

2023-11-15 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 11/14/23 18:34, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 11/14/23 16:12, steve shumaker via cctalk wrote: Greetings all..  I'm looking for a Qualstar 1260S 1/2" tape system to review/recover data from a stack of early Landsat tapes that I came into a while back.  I'd prefer  the Qualstar SCSI system

[cctalk] Re: 11/15, 11/20 systems and parts, more

2023-10-21 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/20/23 11:46, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote: On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 12:11 PM Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: On 10/20/23 03:59, Michael Thompson via cctalk wrote: The RICM has an empty 11/20 chassis and the power supply. All it needs is the processor backplanes. Is there any chance you have

[cctalk] Re: 11/15, 11/20 systems and parts, more

2023-10-20 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/20/23 03:59, Michael Thompson via cctalk wrote: The RICM has an empty 11/20 chassis and the power supply. All it needs is the processor backplanes. Is there any chance you have a set of backplanes available? I have a DD11-PK backplane (Part No. 70-11523) with a few bent pins.  None are

[cctalk] Re: IBM 727 tape drive

2023-10-13 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/13/23 12:07, Martin Bishop via cctalk wrote: The valve audio afficionados / suppliers also offer both wisdom and components, e.g. Ages ago I bought a Potter plug-compatible 9-track tape drive from a surplus shop.  It was designed as a 24xx compatible drive. I was used to Pertec

[cctalk] Re: Vintage Computer Fest Midwest "DECnut" pizza party

2023-09-07 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 9/7/23 17:18, KenUnix via cctalk wrote: Hi guys. Since I can't get out due to my stroke, be sure to post plenty of snaps of the event... Sorry to hear about that.  I had a very mild stroke 2 years ago, but it has affected dexterity in my right hand.  My writing is now horrible (my

[cctalk] Re: Setup for VCFMW

2023-09-07 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 9/7/23 09:35, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: What time is setup Tomorrow (Friday, 8-Sep-23) for VCFMW? They sent out a message to vendors that it would be open 10 AM to 10 PM, a few people would stay during the pizza dinner to allow latecomers to load their stuff. Jon

[cctalk] Re: Vintage Computer Fest Midwest "DECnut" pizza party

2023-09-06 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 9/6/23 14:00, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: Paul, I'm not an 11 expert but don't most instruction fetches (or the last clock phase on an instruction) cause the pc to increment by one? PDP-11 instructions are 16-bit.  Since memory is byte-addressed, the instruction counter should normally

[cctalk] Re: Vintage Computer Fest Midwest "DECnut" pizza party

2023-09-06 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 9/6/23 12:08, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: Reminds me of the "PDP-11 trivia contest" that was held at DECUS, I think on the occasion of the 20th anniversary of the PDP-11. If so that would have been 2000. I still have the poster that went with it somewhere. And I remember the question I

[cctalk] Re: NS32k software on Ebay

2023-09-06 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 9/6/23 06:19, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote: There have been a number of Ebay listings for various ns32k software, QIC tapes and 1/2 inch tapes. I thought I would buy them if there were no other bids to try to recover the contents. https://www.ebay.com/itm/225759541222

[cctalk] Re: Friden (was Silly question about S-100 and video monitors)

2023-09-03 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 9/2/23 14:49, ben via cctalk wrote: $ 30 mininum order and 4 weeks shipping to canada stopped me. $12.06 US from china. (ebay). I am having my PCB's made from PCBWAY in china. Shipping takes longer than them being made. ~ $100 US for the PCB's and ~ $50 for shipping and tax. I have been

[cctalk] Re: VCFMW Anybody got an Emulex QD21?

2023-09-01 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 9/1/23 10:54, Hans-Ulrich Hölscher via cctalk wrote: If you can't get help at the VCF - MW (which I don't doubt), and your MicroVAx II has a DELQA or DEQNA network adapter, then I know of two other elegant ways to back up the data from your ESDI disk: Either: configure your MicroVAX II into a

[cctalk] Re: Silly question about S-100 and video monitors

2023-09-01 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 9/1/23 14:38, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: With all this talk about Friden and Singer, perhaps someone can help me jog my memory. We were working on a contract that, as remote terminals, included a card reader (singer) and a printing terminal (singer also). The terminal consisted of a

[cctalk] Re: VCFMW Anybody got an Emulex QD21?

2023-09-01 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
I will be going to the VCF - MW.  Does anybody have an Emulex QD21 that could dump a hard drive for me?  I ran a uVAX II at home of 21 years.  Sometime back about 2000 or so, I upgraded to a cast-off SCSI disk, which eventually died.  I didn't have a convenient backup solution for the SCSI

[cctalk] Re: Silly question about S-100 and video monitors

2023-08-31 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 8/30/23 17:14, Wayne S via cctalk wrote: When s-100 machines came out, they were standalone. The serial port was for sending serial data not for a terminal. You would have to write some software to use it with a terminal. Well, maybe, I did have a home made S-100 system in 1976 with

[cctalk] VCFMW vendor tables

2023-08-30 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
I know I was a little late in making a reservation for a vendor table at the VCF MW. But, last year they were able to fit me in.  Now, I have made my request, and not heard ANYTHING whatsoever, even that they are working on it.  The VCFMW web site was last updated in JUNE! Does anybody know

[cctalk] Re: PDP-8/L $15,000

2023-08-29 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 8/29/23 06:30, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: Oh baloney. As long as the backplane pins are not mushed these are surprisingly easy to fix and mouse crap can be vacuumed out and cleaned off the cards and pins. The thing that drove me the most nuts was finding a backplane wire that had worn

[cctalk] Re: Logic Analyzers - HP/Agilent 16700B or 1670G?

2023-08-20 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On Sun, Aug 20, 2023, 12:05 PM John H. Reinhardt via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: Hello all.  I looking around for a Logic Analyzer for doing (mostly) DEC QBus/UniBus stuff.  Being the way I am I want something with enough lines to handle the most of the signals so I'm guessing

[cctalk] Re: Good Inventory Program for keeping track of my DEC boards, parts, computers, etc?

2023-08-15 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 8/14/23 21:40, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: I've been using Libre Office Calc (Linux) to keep track of my new computer collection. I use gnumeric.  When it first came out, it was a toy.  Now, it is a VERY good spreadsheet, with excellent graphing capability, wide import and export

[cctalk] Re: Connecting MFM emulator as both 1st and 2nd drive in Microvax 2000?

2023-08-14 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 8/14/23 15:42, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Mon, 14 Aug 2023, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: It's been a while, but I think that RAID originated in academia, though Cray may well have been one of the earlier commercial users. https://www2.eecs.berkeley.edu/Pubs/TechRpts/1993/6306.html

[cctalk] Re: Connecting MFM emulator as both 1st and 2nd drive in Microvax 2000?

2023-08-13 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 8/13/23 11:25, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 5:20 PM Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk wrote: The DEC Rainbow RX50s only have one motor :-) {being pedantic} No they don't. They have 2. A permanent-magnet DC motor used to drive both spindles and a stepper motor used to

[cctalk] Re: Talking PDP11

2023-07-10 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 7/10/23 11:19, Douglas Taylor via cctalk wrote: I'm looking to see if it possible to do something similar.  Just blasting raw 12bit samples from memory out the D/A board. A fine point would be to use the KWV11-C realtime clock board for the sample rate control.  No interrupts, just

[cctalk] Re: Talking PDP11

2023-07-09 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 7/9/23 13:46, Douglas Taylor via cctalk wrote: I have a PDP-11/53 and have just started playing with an AAV11-C D/A board.  It is a 4 channel D/A convertor with 12 bit resolution. Can it be used to play an audio bit stream? Here is simple code used to see if the thing was actually

[cctalk] Re: Don Lancaster has passed away at 83

2023-07-01 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 7/1/23 15:10, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: Don Lancaster passed away on June 7. https://gilaherald.com/obituary-for-don-lancaster/ I hope his website is well preserved: https://tinaja.com/ Wow, another legend!  Yes, there is a lot of good stuff there. Jon

[cctalk] Re: Need AUI cable

2023-06-28 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/28/23 09:40, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Jun 28, 2023, at 9:48 AM, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 6:00 AM Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: Tony's email makes me ask more questions than I have (smart alack) answers to. Maybe ~> hopefully I can ~> will learn

[cctalk] Re: Any RSX-11 fans able to identify file types?

2023-06-28 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/27/23 20:58, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: Yes, the console floppy on an 11/780 was an RX02, and VMS supported "virtualizing" it through the LSI-11 console computer so you could mount it just like any other device. I thought it was an RX01 on an 11/03? It's an RX02? Yup, I think you

[cctalk] Re: Any RSX-11 fans able to identify file types?

2023-06-27 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/27/23 19:11, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: More interesting is that All-In-One for the VAX comes on RX02 and RL02 disks. I wasn't aware that the VAX or VMS even supported RX or RL disks. Yes, the console floppy on an 11/780 was an RX02, and VMS supported "virtualizing" it

[cctalk] Re: IBM/RT help

2023-06-27 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/27/23 09:42, Jonathan Katz via cctalk wrote: Hey folks, Now that I'm done moving house I have time to wrench on the 6150. Before moving it worked; you'd power it on, the LCD status countdown would get to an OK value, but the CRT wasn't legible. I figured I'd be wrenching on the CRT.

[cctalk] Re: Any RSX-11 fans able to identify file types?

2023-06-25 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/25/23 15:02, Wayne S via cctalk wrote: .dtx files IIRC were created by Tex and Latex which fit in with rsx11 and DEC software. So maybe that is it? I tried to compile TeX for RSX-11M on an 11/45, and it was an utter failure.  Maybe somebody hacked TeX down to fit on an 11, but I never

[cctalk] Re: Any RSX-11 fans able to identify file types?

2023-06-25 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/25/23 14:15, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 04:39:01PM -0700, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 6/24/23 12:38, Wayne S wrote: Chuck, why not post the catalog snd we’ll all take a look? Power of the internet! Okay, I guess that's okay. Here's the data from the MFD:

[cctalk] Re: Rainbow H7842 PSU Fault

2023-06-25 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/25/23 07:36, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote: This made me suspect that the startup transformer may have been damaged. So I checked the output of the startup transformer. On the bad PSU this was about 2.4VAC, while on the working one it was about 12VAC. I lifted all 4 of the diodes connected

[cctalk] Re: PCs Limited XT

2023-06-14 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/14/2023 1:08 PM, Wayne S via cctalk wrote: Open it up and take a look. Maybe the daughterboard it there and just needs reseating. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2023, at 07:26, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: I am getting an error message when I boot up a recently donated PCs

[cctalk] Re: IBM RT Graphics

2023-06-08 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/8/23 11:06, Jonathan Stone via cctalk wrote: On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 05:20:28 AM PDT, Santo Nucifora via cctalk wrote: I bought mine from this ebay auction:https://www.ebay.com/itm/171649843131 Specifically, the "D-SUB 3W3 Male" item. [...] Note these are 50 Ohm impedance. I

[cctalk] Re: Turbo 3.0 Command Line Compiler

2023-05-31 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 5/31/23 06:25, John Many Jars via cctalk wrote: I don't normally beg for help, but I'm going to beg for help, because this would be really useful if I could get it to work. This guy: TURBO PASCAL (mark-ogden.uk)

[cctalk] Re: Paper Tape Reader Needed

2023-05-18 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 5/18/23 15:19, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: I have just acquired a number of PDP-8 paper tapes.  My reader/punch is not working at the moment (neither is my PDP-8 but that's another story). I am looking to beg, borrow or buy a paper tape reader or reader/punch (stand alone or PC04) so that

[cctalk] Re: KIM-1 stuck bits from $280 to $29f

2023-05-12 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 5/11/23 21:41, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: I thought about this, but the KIM is a pretty simple system. The only memory mapped device in that range (really, on the entire unit) are the RIOTs, and their RAM at $1780 is fine and does not echo. The KIM only does address decoding for 8K and

[cctalk] Re: KIM-1 stuck bits from $280 to $29f

2023-05-11 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 5/11/23 00:53, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: Odd fault on my Rev D KIM-1 popped up while writing code this afternoon (initially I thought I had a bug in my paper tape transmitter) - between $0280 and $029f, the upper 5 bits are stuck at zero. The rest of the address range seems fine. In

[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums

2023-04-25 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/25/23 01:16, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: Hopefully the LCM will be sold as a going concern rather than just a firesale of the assets. Otherwise a lot of donors and contributors would be rightfully upset - me included. I am disappointed that Bill Gates hasn't bought it already to continue

[cctalk] Re: PDP-11/05 early print set for download

2023-03-19 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 3/18/23 15:48, Steve Malikoff via cctalk wrote: Jon said On 3/18/23 04:34, Steve Malikoff via cctalk wrote: G'day all, I have just uploaded the engineering drawings for the early PDP-11/05, the one with the solid (no slots) Mazak lower bezel Huh?  Mazak made machine tools.  Did you

[cctalk] Re: PDP-11/05 early print set for download

2023-03-18 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 3/18/23 04:34, Steve Malikoff via cctalk wrote: G'day all, I have just uploaded the engineering drawings for the early PDP-11/05, the one with the solid (no slots) Mazak lower bezel Huh?  Mazak made machine tools.  Did you mean Zamak (zinc-based die casting alloy)? Jon

[cctalk] Found more CAMAC stuff

2023-03-17 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
Sorry, I've lost track of the guy who was interested in collecting CAMAC bits.  Cleaning up our lab, I found a Kinetic Systems 3922 Z1A crate controller, and a 2926 Z1A ISA slot controller for it.  Anybody interested? Thanks, Jon

[cctalk] Re: mainframe vs mini

2023-03-15 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 3/15/23 18:32, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: Apart from spooling, which uncouples slow I/O from execution, there is also "multiprogramming", which means being able to run more than one job concurrently. Timesharing does that, of course, but I think multiprogramming was intended to refer

[cctalk] Re: Persci 299 drives - park heads/lock?

2023-03-15 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 3/14/23 22:55, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: I am working on an unknown status Persci 299 drive and one of the two drives is locked closed. Is this a "park" of some kind or is the drive broken? If it's a parked drive (only the drive 0 side) how do you unpark the drive? I can't seem to find

[cctalk] Re: Why the Floppy Disk Just Won't Die

2023-03-11 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 3/11/23 14:18, Wayne S via cctalk wrote: I’ve heard of people using electric toaster ovens for reflow work. There’s a few YouTube videos about it. Should work for baking tapes too. I think there was quite a discussion about it on cctalk a few years ago. I have used a large GE toaster oven

[cctalk] Re: mainframe vs mini

2023-03-10 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 3/10/23 17:20, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 3/10/2023 6:11 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2023, Kevin Anderson via cctalk wrote: I always thought of the distinctions this way (from my basis of exposure from late 1970s through the 1980s) and from a higher

[cctalk] Re: IBM PS/2 Model 80 (8580-071) restoration

2023-03-10 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 3/10/23 16:36, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 3/10/23 1:57 PM, Sellam Abraham wrote: Don't underestimate the troubleshooting utility of re-seating every chip that is socketed. Fair enough. Certainly check the Power OK signal from the power supply, if that isn't working the whole

[cctalk] Re: mainframe vs mini

2023-03-10 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 3/10/23 13:00, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Mar 10, 2023, at 1:38 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 3/10/23 10:20, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: The first mainframe I worked on was single user, single tasking. S/360 DOS provided for one "background" memory partition and two

[cctalk] Re: Why the Floppy Disk Just Won't Die

2023-03-10 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 3/9/23 22:14, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Many folks have turned to emulators, abandoning the spinning rust altogether. Yup, my year-2000 pick and place machine had a 3.5" floppy drive, but I had no confidence that any old disks would be workable, and I had no other machines with drives

[cctalk] Re: mainframe vs mini

2023-03-09 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 3/9/23 15:51, Steve Lewis via cctalk wrote: Not to open a huge can of worms but... I always considered a mainframe to basically be a "fully decked out" minicomputer. Well, the IBM 709x was housed in 11 or more cabinets that were larger than the largest home refrigerator.  These

[cctalk] Re: on the origin of home computers

2023-03-09 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 3/8/23 20:01, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 6:46 PM Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: On 3/8/23 14:31, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: THe LGP-30 was to arguably the first personal electronic (non analog) computer, my opinion, but it covers all of the bases as I see them

[cctalk] Re: on the origin of home computers

2023-03-08 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 3/8/23 14:31, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: THe LGP-30 was to arguably the first personal electronic (non analog) computer, my opinion, but it covers all of the bases as I see them. A relatively small stand alone real time general purpose electronic computer that one person could operate.

[cctalk] Re: on the origin of home computers

2023-03-08 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 3/8/23 14:18, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 11:54 AM Tarek Hoteit via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: I don’t think there is a strict definition of what a home computer is. One can argue Plato is one. Another might say Atari 2600. Someone can argue that the

[cctalk] Re: Age of Tape Formats?

2023-03-08 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 3/8/23 13:03, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: > Wow! I'd love to see the 1971 vintage GCR tape controller, it must > have been the size of a 360 CPU! We had a GCR controller from > Storage Tech. in 1982 or so that was the same size as a PDP 11/44 > large cabinet. CDC Keystone drives

[cctalk] Re: Age of Tape Formats?

2023-03-08 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 3/8/23 05:33, Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk wrote: Our Honeywell H3200 had 1200BPI NRZI 7-track drives. http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/honeywell/datapro/70C-480-01_7404_Honeywell_200_2000.pdf page 13 onwards... Needed chrome tape Dave The reason NRZI topped out at 800 BPI on 9-track

[cctalk] Re: Age of Tape Formats?

2023-03-08 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
Speaking of compatibility, we had a 360/50 many ages ago, and it was "permitted" to put the tape controller on the multiplexer channel.  This prevented long tape operations from locking up the disk controller on the selector channel.  The model /50 only had one selector.  But, if there was

[cctalk] Re: Age of Tape Formats?

2023-03-08 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 3/7/23 22:34, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: I’ll be the first to admit my question is a bit strange. Basically I’m trying to use the date that various media types were first introduced to show the oldest possible date for a bunch of media I’m trying to date. The 9-Track tapes have been

[cctalk] Re: qbus 6250 pertec tape card

2023-02-24 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 2/24/23 15:01, Jacob Ritorto via cctalk wrote: Does anyone have a working one to spare? Needed for PDP-11 unix home project. Emulex preferred but others would perhaps be acceptable. TS11 and/or TMSCP would both be great. Need 50-pin connectors (formatted). Can throw a bit of money / trades

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

2023-02-03 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 2/3/23 08:25, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: It's puzzling that temperature would matter. Obviously, when you hit the Curie temperature the data goes away, but for typical magnetic materials that is in the hundreds of degrees. Does the hysteresis curve shift enough at moderate

[cctalk] Re: ZFS, was [... GreaseWeazle ..]

2023-02-02 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 2/2/23 05:54, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote: On 2023-02-02 04:38, David Brownlee wrote: > That reminds me (looks at 43.5T of zfs pool that has not had a scrub > since 2021). > > It can be nice to have a filesystem which handles redundancy and also > the option to occasionally read all

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

2023-02-02 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 2/1/23 22:10, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: On 02/01/2023 3:51 PM CST Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: ot sure about that. What sort of numbers are we talking about? If all else fails there's core memory, which as far as I remember is pretty much unlimited for both read and write. paul I

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

2023-01-27 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 1/26/23 19:13, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Jan 26, 2023, at 6:29 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: I take that back about Versatec, CHM has a document from 1970 on their electrostatic printer: https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/X163.83A I know that Lawrence

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

2023-01-26 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 1/26/23 16:07, Don R via cctalk wrote: What about the SCM Kleinschmidt spin printer. Yup, I think those did 30 CPS. Jon

[cctalk] Re: the mouse vs. touch sensitive devices

2023-01-22 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 1/22/23 07:14, Chris via cctalk wrote: Originally as I understand it the mouse as a product of Xerox was intended not so much for general use but to aid youngins and disabled people with their usage. And despite the never-mousers, predominantly linux fanatics, it's an indispensable tool

[cctalk] Fwd: Re: AI applied to vintage interests

2023-01-19 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
Forwarded Message Subject:Re: [cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 18:59:11 -0600 From: Jon Elson To: Sellam Abraham via cctalk On 1/19/23 15:25, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 12:43 PM Chris via

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

2023-01-19 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 1/19/23 15:25, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 12:43 PM Chris via cctalk wrote: All I can say is if you haven't watched Terminator: the Sarah Connor Chronicles ... um why not? I didn't even know it existed prior to 3 years ago. Actually pretty thought provoking

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] LINC-8 sells for $2,150

2023-01-18 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 1/17/23 21:34, Wayne S via cctalk wrote: Another forum said a museum in Pa won it. LSSM  (Large Scale Systems Museum)?  I just donated some stuff to them. Jon

[cctalk] Re: Disk pack production tools

2023-01-18 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 1/17/23 21:18, Marc Howard via cctalk wrote: Does anyone know if that light bulb is still available? I’m not sure what the response of that photo sensor is and that might rule out using a led replacement. The fact that the bulb is almost certainty driven below the rated voltage also

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

2023-01-18 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 1/17/23 13:46, Jay Logue via cctalk wrote: I don't know about guessing, but ChatGPT can deadpan bullshit with the best of them... Wow, it picked a bunch of text that must have been DEC specific, but that was as specific as it got. Whew, this could destroy all recorded knowledge if it

[cctalk] Re: Disk pack production tools

2023-01-16 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 1/16/23 04:14, p.gebhardt--- via cctalk wrote: Hello list, Yesterday, I was wondering, if there are any multiplatter disk pack production tools known to exist? There are disk pack inspection and cleaning tools in the wild (also one on eBay for a ridiculously high price) and occasionally,

[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?

2022-12-21 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 12/20/22 20:51, Chris via cctalk wrote: Well there doesn't seem to be a great deal of activity these days, I has thought the suggestion about relaxing the rules might need discussing. I know there are people still using Windows 2003 puters, or a near equivalent based on XP? But that's

[cctalk] Re: Pertec controller; was: anybody need 1/2" tape drives?

2022-11-30 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 11/30/22 10:41, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 11/30/22 01:30, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote: On Sun, 27 Nov 2022, Chuck Guzis wrote: If anyone cares, I've been working on a Pertec tape controller design. The initial version worked remarkably well with only a few bodge wires. I'm

[cctalk] Re: Pertec controller; was: anybody need 1/2" tape drives?

2022-11-28 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 11/28/22 12:08, ben via cctalk wrote: On 2022-11-28 10:27 a.m., Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: MANY years ago, I got a surplus 800 BPI 9-track key to tape system and hacked into it to put 9-track tape on my Z-80 CP/M system.  That was a fascinating project. Jon What was the character

[cctalk] Re: Pertec controller; was: anybody need 1/2" tape drives?

2022-11-28 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 11/28/22 00:17, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: If anyone cares, I've been working on a Pertec tape controller design. The initial version worked remarkably well with only a few bodge wires. I'm assembling the respin of the design and do not anticipate any issues. I'm guessing this is a

[cctalk] anybody need 1/2" tape drives?

2022-11-27 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
Anybody need some 1/2" 9-track tape drives? I have a Pertec T9640 tape drive (vacuum column, 75 IPS 800/1600 Pertec unformatted interface). DEC sold this drive as the TU45. I also have an MDB MLSI-TM11 Q-bus tape controller that will run this drive on either LSI-11 or uVAX II systems. DEC

[cctalk] Re: RIP Fred Brooks (1931-2022)

2022-11-18 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 11/18/22 20:34, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: As the subject (and wikipedia) say: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Brooks Oh my! I didn't realize he was still around, the Mythical Man Month was a fascinating read. The general concept was pretty obvious to anyone who developed

[cctalk] Re: ESD Bags

2022-11-16 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 11/16/22 01:15, Ali via cctalk wrote: Hello, Does anyone have a REASONABLY priced source for 6" x 14" anti-static bags with zip lock tops? I've looked on eBay and Amazon with no luck. I have also looked online and have only found heat sealable bags. I am not sure if it is the sizing which

[cctalk] Re: 100% Tape Seal (soft kind) failure

2022-11-14 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 11/14/22 09:19, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: On 11/14/22 06:25, Shoppa, Tim via cctalk wrote: I've been reporting on 9-track tape seal failures over at least the past 2 decades here. Very very few of the older (I think of them as IBM or 70's/80's style) "hard plastic" tape se

[cctalk] Re: 100% Tape Seal (soft kind) failure

2022-11-14 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 11/14/22 06:25, Shoppa, Tim via cctalk wrote: I've been reporting on 9-track tape seal failures over at least the past 2 decades here. I first noticed the problem in the very early 2000's, and thought it was just random onesy-twosy failures, possibly contributed to by ozone in LA region,

[cctalk] Re: Any working Datapoint 2200 systems?

2022-11-13 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 11/13/22 15:45, Steve Lewis via cctalk wrote: True, I'd have to assume actual usage degrades the longevity of some electronics (and number of hot/cold cycles). But there is still some natural shelf-life decay (maybe moisture in the air can find its way, even in what should be sealed

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