Re: Honeywell DDP-516 console on Ebay - PLEASE don't bid!

[Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk]

Hello again,

On 24.02.2018 04:42, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:

so did u get it?

Yes, I won the auction at a badly high price.

:-) :-)  :-) :-)

Kind regards

Philipp

Re: Honeywell DDP-516 console on Ebay - PLEASE don't bid!

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

so did u get it?

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:25 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
>
> On 2/23/18 6:22 AM, Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk wrote:
>
> > With the stripped keyboard one can build something underneath to replace
> the original terminal as well.
>
>
> Too bad that isn't what keyboard collectors do with them.
>
> It is good to hear that if a Lisp Machine keyboard gets in the hands of
> someone who appreciates
> them for what they are that they get attached to an emulator and aren't
> raped to be a L33T D00D's
> gaming PC keyboard.
>
>
>
>

Re: Honeywell DDP-516 console on Ebay - PLEASE don't bid!

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

On 2/23/18 6:22 AM, Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk wrote:

> With the stripped keyboard one can build something underneath to replace the 
> original terminal as well. 


Too bad that isn't what keyboard collectors do with them.

It is good to hear that if a Lisp Machine keyboard gets in the hands of someone 
who appreciates
them for what they are that they get attached to an emulator and aren't raped 
to be a L33T D00D's
gaming PC keyboard.

Re: Honeywell DDP-516 console on Ebay - PLEASE don't bid!

[Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk]

On 22.02.2018 20:51, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:


I can accept someone keeping the front panel and dumping the computer more
so than when on strips a  keyboard from the terminal.


Oh, what!?! I have a totally different opinion on that :-)


Two reasons - One
because with the front panel one can build something underneath to replace
the original computer.


With the stripped keyboard one can build something underneath to replace 
the original terminal as well. Even easier than the computer.



 Second - The computer may simply be too big to keep
around


There is no vintage computer in existence that is too big to keep.
There are only vintage computers which are too big for some 
collectors/persons/institutions/museums/whatever.


But in my opinion it is never ok to scrap a big system and keep the 
front panel. Not in the 21st century.


Those big irons are getting more and more rare. And there are people and 
institutions which can mobilise amounts of power, money, will, knowledge 
and enthusiasm that cannot even be imagined by the common sort of people 
who scrap, discard and destroy the real interesting machines. Still today.


These dangerous people appear in the form of managers, engineers, 
professors, , former users of the 
systems or even the service technician who took care for the machine for 
years. And, the newest addition to that creepy army of educated morons: 
Stupid collectors and replica builders.


I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. I have seen things and felt the 
pain.


So again: There is NO NO NO reason to strip a frontpanel from a machine. 
It's always wrong. No exception. It's just plain wrong.



Kind regards

Philipp

Re: Honeywell DDP-516 console on Ebay - PLEASE don't bid!

[dwight via cctalk]

A library near me has art work facade about 20 feet tall with the castings of 
old radios, tv's and computers. Some of these I'd have liked to have had. I 
doubt any were saved after making the original casting.

Dwight



From: cctalk <cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org> on behalf of Bill Degnan via 
cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 11:51:35 AM
To: Ed Sharpe; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Honeywell DDP-516 console on Ebay - PLEASE don't bid!

> On Thursday, February 22, 2018 Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> On 22.02.2018 16:18, Bill Degnan wrote:
> > All I have so far is the
> > console and a core module.   I am looking for the rest of the computer
> > if anyone has one...
> Ah, good to know that there is a spare core stack around :-P
>
> > http://vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=655
> I remember - having already commented on it...
>
> The front panel is quite dump. Everything is handled in the CPU and the
> PSU.
>
> BTW you know that the schematics of the DDP-516 can be found on bitsavers?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Philipp
>
>
On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 2:38 PM, Ed Sharpe via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org
> wrote:

> some panel  hoader could drive this thru the roof  I ran into someine
> this year with no interest really in the computers but like the panels for
> art  with deep pockets. which makes them even scarier.ed#
> www.smecc.org<http://www.smecc.org>
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail



I can accept someone keeping the front panel and dumping the computer more
so than when on strips a  keyboard from the terminal.  Two reasons - One
because with the front panel one can build something underneath to replace
the original computer.  Second - The computer may simply be too big to keep
around

But I am sure there is a Fridays restaurant somewhere in the USA with a
UNIVAC front panel or something sad like that on the wall.

Bill

Re: Honeywell DDP-516 console on Ebay - PLEASE don't bid!

[Bill Degnan via cctalk]

> On Thursday, February 22, 2018 Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> On 22.02.2018 16:18, Bill Degnan wrote:
> > All I have so far is the
> > console and a core module.   I am looking for the rest of the computer
> > if anyone has one...
> Ah, good to know that there is a spare core stack around :-P
>
> > http://vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=655
> I remember - having already commented on it...
>
> The front panel is quite dump. Everything is handled in the CPU and the
> PSU.
>
> BTW you know that the schematics of the DDP-516 can be found on bitsavers?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Philipp
>
>
On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 2:38 PM, Ed Sharpe via cctalk  wrote:

> some panel  hoader could drive this thru the roof  I ran into someine
> this year with no interest really in the computers but like the panels for
> art  with deep pockets. which makes them even scarier.ed#
> www.smecc.org
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail



I can accept someone keeping the front panel and dumping the computer more
so than when on strips a  keyboard from the terminal.  Two reasons - One
because with the front panel one can build something underneath to replace
the original computer.  Second - The computer may simply be too big to keep
around

But I am sure there is a Fridays restaurant somewhere in the USA with a
UNIVAC front panel or something sad like that on the wall.

Bill

Re: Honeywell DDP-516 console on Ebay - PLEASE don't bid!

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

some panel  hoader could drive this thru the roof  I ran into someine this 
year with no interest really in the computers but like the panels for art  
with deep pockets. which makes them even scarier.ed#  www.smecc.org

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

On Thursday, February 22, 2018 Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk 
 wrote:

On 22.02.2018 16:18, Bill Degnan wrote:
> All I have so far is the
> console and a core module.   I am looking for the rest of the computer 
> if anyone has one...
Ah, good to know that there is a spare core stack around :-P

> http://vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=655
I remember - having already commented on it...

The front panel is quite dump. Everything is handled in the CPU and the PSU.

BTW you know that the schematics of the DDP-516 can be found on bitsavers?

Kind regards

Philipp

Re: Honeywell DDP-516 console on Ebay - PLEASE don't bid!

[Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk]

On 22.02.2018 16:18, Bill Degnan wrote:

 All I have so far is the
console and a core module.   I am looking for the rest of the computer 
if anyone has one...

Ah, good to know that there is a spare core stack around :-P


http://vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=655

I remember - having already commented on it...

The front panel is quite dump. Everything is handled in the CPU and the PSU.

BTW you know that the schematics of the DDP-516 can be found on bitsavers?

Kind regards

Philipp