Re: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use

2015-06-02 Thread Mark J. Blair
I just noticed that the Si2137 and Si2177 tuners are now marked as factory special order and Mouser, where they were previously just marked New at Mouser. So my guess that those parts are a leftover tray with questionable future availability might be unpleasantly accurate. I'm still interested

Re: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use

2015-06-02 Thread Alan Hightower
On 2015-06-02 11:47, Mark J. Blair wrote: After that, you will need something fairly hefty at the start to find the characteristics of the signal and align the sampling. Then you just need to track clock drift and adjust a VCXO. I was wondering whether I could get away with tracking

Re: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use

2015-06-01 Thread Mark J. Blair
On Jun 1, 2015, at 17:43, Chris Osborn fozzt...@fozztexx.com wrote: The color on the hi-res screens looks pretty good, but the vertical lines through the blocks on the lo-res screens isn’t quite right. The bottom 4 lines of text having color bleeding is normal, even on an Apple color

Re: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use

2015-06-01 Thread Mark J. Blair
On Jun 1, 2015, at 17:43, Chris Osborn fozzt...@fozztexx.com wrote: Do you happen to have an old CRT TV around with composite input that you can hook up and compare to, just for yourself? I’ve got an Amdek Color I and Apple IIc Color Composite here that I’ll try to take some sample pictures

Re: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use

2015-06-01 Thread Chris Osborn
On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:24 PM, Mark J. Blair n...@nf6x.net wrote: I received the $19 composite video to HDMI converter that I ordered from Amazon, tested it a bit with my Apple //c, and posted pictures of the results here: http://www.nf6x.net/2015/06/cheap-hdmi-converter-with-apple-c/

Re: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use

2015-06-01 Thread Mark J. Blair
On Jun 1, 2015, at 19:31, Chris Osborn fozzt...@fozztexx.com wrote: This one looks exactly like yours, but it’s even cheaper! I wonder if it’s the same? http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009A6PJKQ When you get it, we can compare pictures of their innards. Mine has a PCB with blue soldermask.

Re: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use

2015-06-01 Thread Chris Osborn
On Jun 1, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Mark J. Blair n...@nf6x.net wrote: Now I'm even more curious about the reports I've heard about having trouble with video conversion, since the first cheap converter I tried seemed to work OK with an Apple //c. Color is always the problem with converters. The

Re: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use

2015-05-26 Thread Chris Elmquist
If you do end up building a custom solution, I have a feature request :-) It would nice if the device was also a frame grabber that could, under command, snap one or more frames of the legacy video and export it over USB perhaps. This would allow us to document operation of legacy software with

Re: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use

2015-05-26 Thread Mark J. Blair
On May 26, 2015, at 14:07 , Chris Elmquist chr...@pobox.com wrote: If you do end up building a custom solution, I have a feature request :-) It would nice if the device was also a frame grabber that could, under command, snap one or more frames of the legacy video and export it over USB

Re: Monitor wanted (was Re: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use)

2015-05-24 Thread Ed Sharpe
cctalk@classiccmp.org Sent: Sat, May 23, 2015 9:15 pm Subject: Re: Monitor wanted (was Re: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use) On 05/23/2015 04:24 PM, Eric Smith wrote: I'd like some of the REAL monitors, such as an NEC Multisync 3, that can do VGA *and* NTSC-rate analog RGB. At some point

Re: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use

2015-05-23 Thread Chuck Guzis
There are probably a fair number of TV cards in both ISA and PCI wandering about, since they're not terribly useful with the advent of digital TV (and the web). Has anyone hooked up an ordinary NTSC modulator with one of those and an 8 bit PC that relies on the peculiarities of NTSC chroma

Monitor wanted (was Re: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use)

2015-05-23 Thread Eric Smith
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Fred Cisin ci...@xenosoft.com wrote: Would you like some of the REAL monitors? They will do all sorts of bizarre I'd like some of the REAL monitors, such as an NEC Multisync 3, that can do VGA *and* NTSC-rate analog RGB. At some point the monitor companies

Re: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use

2015-05-23 Thread Chris Osborn
On May 23, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Mark J. Blair n...@nf6x.net wrote: In the middle will be some FPGA to perform any necessary magic. I've been looking at a prohibitively expensive ($115) one that has enough dual-port RAM blocks to support a frame buffer. Are you on the CoCo mailing list? Have

Re: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use

2015-05-23 Thread emanuel stiebler
On 2015-05-23 09:59, Jochen Kunz wrote: Advantage: - No obscure FPGA magic needed. Disadvantage: - No obscure FPGA magic needed. ? ;-)

RE: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use

2015-05-23 Thread tony duell
The output of a single-chip tuner might also be at IF. The Maxim part (which I will not use) outputs at 36 MHz, I think. Can't tell the output of the SiLabs part without more info. Hopefully it's either baseband or a lower IF 36MHz does sound like the standard TV IF frequency.

Re: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use

2015-05-23 Thread Steven Hirsch
On Sat, 23 May 2015, Mark J. Blair wrote: On May 23, 2015, at 10:28, Steven Hirsch snhir...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 23 May 2015, Chris Osborn wrote: I own one of just about every commercially available (and hobby) converters and precisely none of them provides a universal solution.

Re: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use

2015-05-23 Thread Chris Osborn
On May 23, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Steven Hirsch snhir...@gmail.com wrote: That really surprises me. Mine was utterly unusable with the IIGS. The desktop (and all icons, folders, etc.) had distinct vertical bands through them. Also, lots of dot-crawl at sharp edges from what I recall. I

Re: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use

2015-05-23 Thread Mark J. Blair
On May 23, 2015, at 10:28, Steven Hirsch snhir...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 23 May 2015, Chris Osborn wrote: On May 23, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Mark J. Blair n...@nf6x.net wrote: In the middle will be some FPGA to perform any necessary magic. I've been looking at a prohibitively expensive

Re: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use

2015-05-23 Thread Steven Hirsch
On Sat, 23 May 2015, Chris Osborn wrote: The GBS-8200/8220 doesn’t support composite input, only RGB. I’ve used the board on quite a few of my computers that output RGB and it works fine. I’ve even got a couple of blog posts: ZX Spectrum 128:

Re: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use

2015-05-22 Thread Chris Osborn
On May 22, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Mark J. Blair n...@nf6x.net wrote: I've ordered a $15 composite to HDMI converter from Amazon to try out for myself with my Apple IIe and IIc. I'd also like to try out my Color Computers with a modern monitor to see if the color aliasing used by some games can

Re: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use

2015-05-22 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 22 May 2015, Chris Osborn wrote: Heh, I have a few already. :-) I’ve even got one of those funny looking ones that has knobs on it. With VHF UHF dials. And fine tuning. And only screw terminals on the back, none of those fancy RCA/phono jack connectors on it. A little over half a

RE: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use

2015-05-22 Thread tony duell
Yes, video is tricky. I've just had an experience which emphasizes the topic under discussion. The main problems stem from the fact that these computers output anything but broadcast-standard video. In some cases it was because they were built to a price and it was 'what can we get away with'.

Re: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use

2015-05-22 Thread Chris Osborn
On May 22, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Chuck Guzis ccl...@sydex.com wrote: Do you have anything like Freecycle in your area? Usually, if you say you're looking for an old-style TV, people will jump at the chance to give away the old sets. Heh, I have a few already. :-) I’ve even got one of those