Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals - video tex

[ben via cctalk]

On 3/24/2019 7:15 PM, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote:


Like this?:
http://madrona.ca/e/telidon/index.html


It was in a surplus store,So I expect it was parts from some larger device.
This was in Vancover about 1990 ish.


Can't say I bought it, it was a donation, and I don't know the story of whoever 
donated it.
Might have been purchased from the surplus store BCTel used to run, or it may 
have come from a former Microtel employee, or who knows.

Saw a boxed converter-only unit (needed a TV for the display) in a thrift store 
around 2000, but passed it over.
(I'm sure everybody else did too).

I also scrapped a converter-only unit back around 2000 or so.


Ben.

Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals - video tex

[Brent Hilpert via cctalk]

On 2019-Mar-24, at 3:14 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
> On 3/24/2019 10:27 AM, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote:
>> And I have some in Toronto; Falco, ADM-11 and bits & pieces.
> Did anyone out there (In Canada) buy the surplus VideoTex terminals,
> I saw Many Many  years  ago.



Like this?:
http://madrona.ca/e/telidon/index.html

Can't say I bought it, it was a donation, and I don't know the story of whoever 
donated it.
Might have been purchased from the surplus store BCTel used to run, or it may 
have come from a former Microtel employee, or who knows.

Saw a boxed converter-only unit (needed a TV for the display) in a thrift store 
around 2000, but passed it over.
(I'm sure everybody else did too).

I also scrapped a converter-only unit back around 2000 or so.

Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals

[Richard Loken via cctalk]

On Sun, 24 Mar 2019, Tony Duell wrote:


On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 2:42 PM Richard Loken via cctalk
 wrote:



I'm not in Canada but I have a Volker-Craig VC414 (APL version) _with the
service manual_. This is a poor copy (obtained from VC -- and they forgot
to copy half of one of the schematics so I had to reverse-engineer that
part) but I can try to scan it sometime.


I would like to see that scanned and set to bitsavers, all they have right
now is some vc4404 material.

--
  Richard Loken VE6BSV: "...underneath those tuques we wear,
  Athabasca, Alberta Canada   : our heads are naked!"
  ** rllo...@telus.net ** :- Arthur Black

Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals - video tex

[ben via cctalk]

On 3/24/2019 10:27 AM, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote:

And I have some in Toronto; Falco, ADM-11 and bits & pieces.


Did anyone out there (In Canada) buy the surplus VideoTex terminals,
I saw Many Many  years  ago.

Ben.

Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals

[Tony Duell via cctalk]

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 2:42 PM Richard Loken via cctalk
 wrote:
>
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019, Mike Kenzie via cctalk wrote:
>
> > I have a several in Ottawa as well.  A few different brands, ASR, Dec, VC
>
> Do you have any Volker-Craig user or service documentation?  Docs from
> Canadian companies seem to disappear in a puff of green smoke.

I'm not in Canada but I have a Volker-Craig VC414 (APL version) _with the
service manual_. This is a poor copy (obtained from VC -- and they forgot
to copy half of one of the schematics so I had to reverse-engineer that
part) but I can try to scan it sometime.

-tony

Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals

[Mike Stein via cctalk]

And I have some in Toronto; Falco, ADM-11 and bits & pieces.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Kenzie via cctalk" 
Cc: 
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals


>I have a several in Ottawa as well.  A few different brands, ASR, Dec, VC
> 
> - Richard Loken via cctalk  wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019, ben via cctalk wrote:
>> 
>> > I am building a project that needs to use a Stand alone dumb terminal like 
>> > a 
>> > VT 52 or Similar. Alas I can't find any low cost Hardware Solutions here 
>> > in 
>> > Canada. Low cost with shipping under is $150 Canadian
>> > for me.Software terminal emulation is just a stop gap fix.
>> > Any ideas out there. Even a better search keyword than "dumb terminal"
>> > would help. Ben.
>> 
>> I have a couple Volker-Craigs in the attic doing nothing.  They are a
>> bit newer than a VT52 but they are pretty dumb and I am in Athabasca.
>> You can have them for free, you can get them soon if you come get them
>> yourself.  You can get them later if you wait for me to bring them to you.
>> 
>> Volker-Craigs were built out of TTL in Waterloo, Ontario between 1980
>> and 1985 and they do RS-232.  I probably have the service manual if I
>> look hard.
>> 
>> -- 
>>Richard Loken VE6BSV   : "...underneath those tuques we wear,
>>Athabasca, Alberta Canada   : our heads are naked!"
>>** rllo...@telus.net ** :- Arthur Black
>

Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals

[Mike Stein via cctalk]

- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Loken via cctalk" 
To: "Mike Kenzie" ; "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic 
Posts" 
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals


> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019, Mike Kenzie via cctalk wrote:
> 
>> I have a several in Ottawa as well.  A few different brands, ASR, Dec, VC
> 
> Do you have any Volker-Craig user or service documentation?  Docs from
> Canadian companies seem to disappear in a puff of green smoke.

No VC but I've got some Northern Technologies and Lanpar/Microterm docs 
somewhere.

Also Burroughs TD800, various Falcos.

Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals

[Richard Loken via cctalk]

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019, Mike Kenzie via cctalk wrote:


I have a several in Ottawa as well.  A few different brands, ASR, Dec, VC


Do you have any Volker-Craig user or service documentation?  Docs from
Canadian companies seem to disappear in a puff of green smoke.

--
  Richard Loken VE6BSV: "...underneath those tuques we wear,
  Athabasca, Alberta Canada   : our heads are naked!"
  ** rllo...@telus.net ** :- Arthur Black

Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals

[Peter Sjoberg via cctalk]

On 2019-03-23 3:27 p.m., ben via cctalk wrote:
> On 3/23/2019 10:07 AM, Mike Stein wrote:
>> As to RS-232, it can provide TTL or 0-3.3V 'pseudo-RS-232' which
>> usually works in my experience, but if you need 'true' RS-232 there
>> are tiny TTL<>RS-232 adapters on eBay for < $2.00
>
> But $80 shipping over night to canada with my luck.
>
>> I believe Rich Cini built one; maybe he can add something
> Australia is a good ways away from here.
>
> The link is here for the micro controller and PCB.
> https://www.siliconchip.com.au/Shop/8/2760
> It is a good deal if you have the other parts,
> but I am looking for a older terminal with a
> real keyboard and screen. The first computer
> I used had the TTY I/O and I liked that keyboard feel.
> Ben.
Here is a project I bookmarked some time ago - make your own vt220

https://hackaday.com/2018/12/20/behold-the-wt-220-a-clever-vt-220-terminal/

/ps

Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals

[Mike Kenzie via cctalk]

I have a several in Ottawa as well.  A few different brands, ASR, Dec, VC

- Richard Loken via cctalk  wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019, ben via cctalk wrote:
> 
> > I am building a project that needs to use a Stand alone dumb terminal like 
> > a 
> > VT 52 or Similar. Alas I can't find any low cost Hardware Solutions here in 
> > Canada. Low cost with shipping under is $150 Canadian
> > for me.Software terminal emulation is just a stop gap fix.
> > Any ideas out there. Even a better search keyword than "dumb terminal"
> > would help. Ben.
> 
> I have a couple Volker-Craigs in the attic doing nothing.  They are a
> bit newer than a VT52 but they are pretty dumb and I am in Athabasca.
> You can have them for free, you can get them soon if you come get them
> yourself.  You can get them later if you wait for me to bring them to you.
> 
> Volker-Craigs were built out of TTL in Waterloo, Ontario between 1980
> and 1985 and they do RS-232.  I probably have the service manual if I
> look hard.
> 
> -- 
>Richard Loken VE6BSV : "...underneath those tuques we wear,
>Athabasca, Alberta Canada   : our heads are naked!"
>** rllo...@telus.net ** :- Arthur Black

Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals

[ben via cctalk]

On 3/23/2019 10:07 AM, Mike Stein wrote:

As to RS-232, it can provide TTL or 0-3.3V 'pseudo-RS-232' which usually works in my 
experience, but if you need 'true' RS-232 there are tiny TTL<>RS-232 adapters on 
eBay for < $2.00


But $80 shipping over night to canada with my luck.


I believe Rich Cini built one; maybe he can add something

Australia is a good ways away from here.

The link is here for the micro controller and PCB.
https://www.siliconchip.com.au/Shop/8/2760
It is a good deal if you have the other parts,
but I am looking for a older terminal with a
real keyboard and screen. The first computer
I used had the TTY I/O and I liked that keyboard feel.
Ben.

Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals

[Mike Stein via cctalk]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Gunshannon via cctalk" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals


On 3/23/19 12:07 PM, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote:
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "ben via cctalk" 
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" 
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 5:02 AM
> Subject: Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals
> 
> 
>> On 3/23/2019 2:41 AM, Henk Gooijen wrote:
>>> Would this be useful?
>>>
>>> http://geoffg.net/terminal.html
>>>
>>> Henk, PA8PDP
>>
>> It would be if it had RS232 rather than TTL? outputs.
>> To source all that stuff with the high price of USA to Canada shipping
>> it would be about $150? Canadian as a guess.
>   
> 
> I'm just about to build one of those; looks like the cost will be more like 
> C$40.00 including 9 extra PCBs.
> 
> As to RS-232, it can provide TTL or 0-3.3V 'pseudo-RS-232' which usually 
> works in my experience, but if you need 'true' RS-232 there are tiny 
> TTL<>RS-232 adapters on eBay for < $2.00
> 
> I believe Rich Cini built one; maybe he can add something

Where does one get the board?  Are you planning to offer any
of your extras for sale?  I could definitely use one or two
of them.

bill
-
The Gerber files are in the 'construction pack' at the bottom of the linked 
page; the readme.txt and errata.jpg should probably be removed before sending 
to a PCB house.

But I'll happily send you one or two boards once they get here; just ordered 
them a week ago. Maybe Rich also has a couple spare.

m

Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

On 3/23/19 7:56 AM, Richard Loken via cctalk wrote:
> I probably have the service manual if I
> look hard.
> 

getting a copy to scan would be a good thing.

Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals

[Bill Gunshannon via cctalk]

On 3/23/19 12:07 PM, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote:
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "ben via cctalk" 
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" 
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 5:02 AM
> Subject: Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals
> 
> 
>> On 3/23/2019 2:41 AM, Henk Gooijen wrote:
>>> Would this be useful?
>>>
>>> http://geoffg.net/terminal.html
>>>
>>> Henk, PA8PDP
>>
>> It would be if it had RS232 rather than TTL? outputs.
>> To source all that stuff with the high price of USA to Canada shipping
>> it would be about $150? Canadian as a guess.
>   
> 
> I'm just about to build one of those; looks like the cost will be more like 
> C$40.00 including 9 extra PCBs.
> 
> As to RS-232, it can provide TTL or 0-3.3V 'pseudo-RS-232' which usually 
> works in my experience, but if you need 'true' RS-232 there are tiny 
> TTL<>RS-232 adapters on eBay for < $2.00
> 
> I believe Rich Cini built one; maybe he can add something

Where does one get the board?  Are you planning to offer any
of your extras for sale?  I could definitely use one or two
of them.

bill

Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals

[Mike Stein via cctalk]

- Original Message - 
From: "ben via cctalk" 
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" 
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals


> On 3/23/2019 2:41 AM, Henk Gooijen wrote:
>> Would this be useful?
>> 
>> http://geoffg.net/terminal.html
>> 
>> Henk, PA8PDP
> 
> It would be if it had RS232 rather than TTL? outputs.
> To source all that stuff with the high price of USA to Canada shipping
> it would be about $150? Canadian as a guess.
 

I'm just about to build one of those; looks like the cost will be more like 
C$40.00 including 9 extra PCBs.

As to RS-232, it can provide TTL or 0-3.3V 'pseudo-RS-232' which usually works 
in my experience, but if you need 'true' RS-232 there are tiny TTL<>RS-232 
adapters on eBay for < $2.00

I believe Rich Cini built one; maybe he can add something

m

Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals

[Richard Loken via cctalk]

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019, ben via cctalk wrote:

I am building a project that needs to use a Stand alone dumb terminal like a 
VT 52 or Similar. Alas I can't find any low cost Hardware Solutions here in 
Canada. Low cost with shipping under is $150 Canadian

for me.Software terminal emulation is just a stop gap fix.
Any ideas out there. Even a better search keyword than "dumb terminal"
would help. Ben.


I have a couple Volker-Craigs in the attic doing nothing.  They are a
bit newer than a VT52 but they are pretty dumb and I am in Athabasca.
You can have them for free, you can get them soon if you come get them
yourself.  You can get them later if you wait for me to bring them to you.

Volker-Craigs were built out of TTL in Waterloo, Ontario between 1980
and 1985 and they do RS-232.  I probably have the service manual if I
look hard.

--
  Richard Loken VE6BSV: "...underneath those tuques we wear,
  Athabasca, Alberta Canada   : our heads are naked!"
  ** rllo...@telus.net ** :- Arthur Black

Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals

[Nemo Nusquam via cctalk]

On 03/23/19 03:07, ben via cctalk wrote:
I am building a project that needs to use a Stand alone dumb terminal 
like a VT 52 or Similar. Alas I can't find any low cost Hardware 
Solutions here in Canada. Low cost with shipping under is $150 Canadian

for me.Software terminal emulation is just a stop gap fix.
Any ideas out there. Even a better search keyword than "dumb terminal"
would help. Ben.

Livewire was mentioned to me once -- they sell new and used stuff. I 
have not dealt with them so I cannot personally vouch for them but they 
may be worth an email.


Steve Pinto
Livewire Computer Solutions Inc
116 Galaxy Blvd
Toronto ON M9W 4Y6
416-798-3410
spi...@livewire.ca 

N.

Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals

[ben via cctalk]

On 3/23/2019 2:41 AM, Henk Gooijen wrote:

Would this be useful?

http://geoffg.net/terminal.html

Henk, PA8PDP


It would be if it had RS232 rather than TTL? outputs.
To source all that stuff with the high price of USA to Canada shipping
it would be about $150? Canadian as a guess.

This link might be more useful to a lot of people on the list.
TTY's and  service still can be found here, if the web page can be believed.

http://www.johnwhitney.com/misc/paul-rtty.htm



*Van:* cctalk  namens ben via cctalk 


*Verzonden:* Saturday, March 23, 2019 8:07:36 AM
*Aan:* cctalk@classiccmp.org
*Onderwerp:* Only never in Canada - dumb terminals
I am building a project that needs to use a Stand alone dumb terminal
like a VT 52 or Similar. Alas I can't find any low cost Hardware
Solutions here in Canada. Low cost with shipping under is $150 Canadian
for me.Software terminal emulation is just a stop gap fix.
Any ideas out there. Even a better search keyword than "dumb terminal"
would help. Ben.

RE: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals

[Henk Gooijen via cctalk]

Would this be useful?

http://geoffg.net/terminal.html



Henk, PA8PDP




Van: cctalk  namens ben via cctalk 

Verzonden: Saturday, March 23, 2019 8:07:36 AM
Aan: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Onderwerp: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals

I am building a project that needs to use a Stand alone dumb terminal
like a VT 52 or Similar. Alas I can't find any low cost Hardware
Solutions here in Canada. Low cost with shipping under is $150 Canadian
for me.Software terminal emulation is just a stop gap fix.
Any ideas out there. Even a better search keyword than "dumb terminal"
would help. Ben.

Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals

[ben via cctalk]

On 3/23/2019 1:18 AM, Adrian Stoness wrote:

what end of canada its a big country


On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 2:07 AM ben via cctalk > wrote:


I am building a project that needs to use a Stand alone dumb terminal
like a VT 52 or Similar. Alas I can't find any low cost Hardware
Solutions here in Canada. Low cost with shipping under is $150 Canadian
for me.Software terminal emulation is just a stop gap fix.
Any ideas out there. Even a better search keyword than "dumb terminal"
would help. Ben.



Hmm We have cows and grass and oil pumps outside. This must be the 
middle of the Alberta. Cold Lake if you really want to know.


I have just finished a 20 BIT CPU design with a DE1 (ORIGINAL) FPGA 
development card, and looking at the 1974 - 1976 time frame for
a physical computer hardware design. The bare metal part is done, so now 
have test and clean up the logic details and I/O devices. Late this

year I plan to have software and hardware pre-tested on the FPGA
card before I start laying out the mother board and PCBs.

This will be a modern version but basically a 1975 ish logic design.
Small Proms, 74LSxxx and 2901A's and MK4096 4Kx1 Dram speeds.
Ben.

Re: Only never in Canada - dumb terminals

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

what end of canada its a big country


On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 2:07 AM ben via cctalk 
wrote:

> I am building a project that needs to use a Stand alone dumb terminal
> like a VT 52 or Similar. Alas I can't find any low cost Hardware
> Solutions here in Canada. Low cost with shipping under is $150 Canadian
> for me.Software terminal emulation is just a stop gap fix.
> Any ideas out there. Even a better search keyword than "dumb terminal"
> would help. Ben.
>
>

Only never in Canada - dumb terminals

[ben via cctalk]

I am building a project that needs to use a Stand alone dumb terminal 
like a VT 52 or Similar. Alas I can't find any low cost Hardware 
Solutions here in Canada. Low cost with shipping under is $150 Canadian

for me.Software terminal emulation is just a stop gap fix.
Any ideas out there. Even a better search keyword than "dumb terminal"
would help. Ben.