Re: tty and video displays

2020-12-21 Thread Jules Richardson via cctalk
On 12/14/20 10:06 PM, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: On 2020-Dec-14, at 7:57 AM, Jules Richardson wrote: On 12/14/20 4:41 AM, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: Yes. Coincidentally I've just been refurbishing one - a Teleray 3931. It's an ASCII/APL terminal, overstriking was included for the

Re: tty and video displays

2020-12-15 Thread Curious Marc via cctalk
For these interested on how it looked, I posted a picture of all the characters created by the HP 2641 APL ROM dumps here: https://www.curiousmarc.com/computing/hp-264x-terminals (somewhere down in the middle of the page). ROM dumps were from Al Kossow I believe (thanks Al). Marc > On Dec 14,

Re: tty and video displays

2020-12-15 Thread Brent Hilpert via cctalk
On 2020-Dec-15, at 11:15 AM, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: > On 12/14/20 10:06 PM, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: >>> (It's definitely -12V, not -5V? I'm just thinking that the -12V noted >>> on your schematic is quite close the the 15V rating on the cap - >>> although that could explain why

Re: tty and video displays

2020-12-15 Thread Jules Richardson via cctalk
On 12/14/20 10:06 PM, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: (It's definitely -12V, not -5V? I'm just thinking that the -12V noted on your schematic is quite close the the 15V rating on the cap - although that could explain why my later setup got caps rated to 35V, too) I don't remember whether I

Re: tty and video displays

2020-12-14 Thread Gavin Scott via cctalk
Now I want to know if you have a list of the Burroughs APL overstrikes, since HP included many more overstrike characters in the HP 2641A than the ones that they needed for APL\3000, including (or so I'm lead to believe) all the Burroughs extended I/O quad overstrikes, presumably to maximize the

Re: tty and video displays

2020-12-14 Thread Stan Sieler via cctalk
Paul writes: > General overstrike requires a bitmap display, or some sort of persistent display. Although he carefully specified 'general overstrike', I'll still mention how the HP 2641A (an APL terminal) did it. When about to enter a newly received character into memory, the terminal checked

Re: tty and video displays

2020-12-14 Thread Brent Hilpert via cctalk
On 2020-Dec-14, at 7:57 AM, Jules Richardson wrote: > On 12/14/20 4:41 AM, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: >> >> Yes. Coincidentally I've just been refurbishing one - a Teleray 3931. >> It's an ASCII/APL terminal, overstriking was included for the APL mode. >>

Re: tty and video displays

2020-12-14 Thread Brent Hilpert via cctalk
On 2020-Dec-14, at 6:28 AM, Paul Koning wrote: >> On Dec 14, 2020, at 9:26 AM, emanuel stiebler via cctalk >> wrote: >> On 2020-12-14 05:41, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: >>> On 2020-Dec-14, at 1:26 AM, ben via cctalk wrote: Often for data input one could use over strike characters for

Re: tty and video displays

2020-12-14 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 12/14/20 6:28 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: >> Is it really an overstrike? They look simply like different characters. >> At least, I didn't (probably missed it) how they can be generated out of >> the available ones... > > I wondered too. General overstrike requires a bitmap display, or

Re: tty and video displays

2020-12-14 Thread Jules Richardson via cctalk
On 12/14/20 4:41 AM, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: On 2020-Dec-14, at 1:26 AM, ben via cctalk wrote: Often for data input one could use over strike characters for input. Not EQ might be = BS | Did any video display terminals repeat the same effect? Yes. Coincidentally I've just been

Re: tty and video displays

2020-12-14 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Dec 14, 2020, at 9:26 AM, emanuel stiebler via cctalk > wrote: > > On 2020-12-14 05:41, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: >> On 2020-Dec-14, at 1:26 AM, ben via cctalk wrote: >>> Often for data input one could use over strike characters for input. Not EQ >>> might be = BS | Did any video

Re: tty and video displays

2020-12-14 Thread emanuel stiebler via cctalk
On 2020-12-14 05:41, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: > On 2020-Dec-14, at 1:26 AM, ben via cctalk wrote: >> Often for data input one could use over strike characters for input. Not EQ >> might be = BS | Did any video display terminals >> repeat the same effect? > > Yes. Coincidentally I've just

Re: tty and video displays

2020-12-14 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 12/14/20 4:26 AM, ben via cctalk wrote: Often for data input one could use over strike characters for input. Not EQ might be = BS | Did any video display terminals repeat the same effect? Ben. APL Terminals where many of the characters are overstrike. bill

Re: tty and video displays

2020-12-14 Thread Brent Hilpert via cctalk
On 2020-Dec-14, at 1:26 AM, ben via cctalk wrote: > Often for data input one could use over strike characters for input. Not EQ > might be = BS | Did any video display terminals > repeat the same effect? Yes. Coincidentally I've just been refurbishing one - a Teleray 3931. It's an ASCII/APL

tty and video displays

2020-12-14 Thread ben via cctalk
Often for data input one could use over strike characters for input. Not EQ might be = BS | Did any video display terminals repeat the same effect? Ben.