Re: I hate the new mail system

actually when it all shows up as cc talk as the sender it is of value as we can clear the group of mail faster after I have picked out the topics relative to what we are working on. Ed# In a message dated 3/1/2017 2:47:11 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 2017-03-01 7:55 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: On 3/1/2017 4:22 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 03/01/2017 11:46 AM, Tony Duell wrote: But presumably on an emulator there will be some kind of volume control. Or even unplug the speaker(s) if you want silence... But then, what of the

Re: Cassette Interface Assistance

On 3/1/2017 11:56 AM, dwight via cctalk wrote: I'm not sure how something as simple as a cassette interface could be causing so much issues. Can you post a schematic of what you have now and what the signal amplitude is? Hmm, It's currently a jumble of wires and clips and such on the bench.

Re: Full immersion emulation

ons 2017-03-01 klockan 16:29 -0400 skrev Paul Berger via cctalk: > > On 2017-03-01 3:39 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > On 03/01/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: > >> Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for early > >> Multics installations (and

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 03/01/2017 11:46 AM, Tony Duell wrote: > But presumably on an emulator there will be some kind of volume > control. Or even unplug the speaker(s) if you want silence... But then, what of the "realism"? Is the sound of a half-ton of dynamite going off realistic at 50 dB? Many aspects of

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 3/1/2017 4:22 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 03/01/2017 11:46 AM, Tony Duell wrote: But presumably on an emulator there will be some kind of volume control. Or even unplug the speaker(s) if you want silence... But then, what of the "realism"? Is the sound of a half-ton of

Re: DEC VT30-H and VTV30-J, was VSV11

On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 08:13:24AM +0100, shad via cctalk wrote: >was anyone some documentation about board sets VT30-H and VTV30-J? >They should be graphic systems as well, the former Unibus, the latter Qbus. >Definitely I think they aren't "regular" DEC products, maybe they were >developed

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 03/01/2017 07:21 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: > Well, we still had a Selectric (1050) on our 360/65 at Washington > University up until the end. I'm pretty sure it was the most > unreliable part of the machine. It seems about every two weeks it > would break the timing belt, which meant

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 03/01/2017 10:52 PM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: On 3/1/2017 8:36 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: That's one area where CRTs are sooo much better. The S/360 machines just pounded the hell out of the SYSLOG device. I guess the Selectrics were better than the Model B-based console

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 3/1/2017 8:36 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: That's one area where CRTs are sooo much better. The S/360 machines just pounded the hell out of the SYSLOG device. I guess the Selectrics were better than the Model B-based console typewriters, which always seemed as if they were going to

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 3/1/2017 10:04 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: Well, I remember the /50 at Rolla, they ran very little locally while I was there, mostly used it as an RJE terminal. Cards and 1402 printer. So, the 1050 was not real busy. It ran MVT21 thru 1975. The MVT version of the workstation was one

Re: IBM S/32, PDP-11/60+RL01, PDP-11/34, East Lansing MI

On 03/01/2017 05:27 PM, Henk Gooijen via cctalk wrote: I have heard that story to. _IF_ you have WCS for the 11/60 ... not very common. But even with WCS installed, there is a “small” problem: the PDP-8 microcode for the 11/60 is lost ☹ But it could be rewritten!

RE: IBM S/32, PDP-11/60+RL01, PDP-11/34, East Lansing MI

I have heard that story to. _IF_ you have WCS for the 11/60 ... not very common. But even with WCS installed, there is a “small” problem: the PDP-8 microcode for the 11/60 is lost ☹ From my website: The only other PDP-11 that has a WCS option (KUV11, M8018) is the PDP-11/03, KD11-F processor.

Re: IBM S/32, PDP-11/60+RL01, PDP-11/34, East Lansing MI

> On Mar 1, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk > wrote: > > > > On 03/01/2017 05:27 PM, Henk Gooijen via cctalk wrote: >> I have heard that story to. _IF_ you have WCS for the 11/60 ... not very >> common. >> But even with WCS installed, there is a

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 03/01/2017 02:54 PM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: On 2017-03-01 3:14 PM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for early Multics installations (and other systems) the sound of the Selectric operator's console. I/O Selectrics

Re: Cassette Interface Assistance

I'm not sure how something as simple as a cassette interface could be causing so much issues. Can you post a schematic of what you have now and what the signal amplitude is? Dwight From: cctalk on behalf of allison via cctalk

Ersatz-11 V7.3

Ersatz-11 V7.3 is finished. CDs have been mailed to users with current update subscriptions, and the free Demo version may be downloaded from www.dbit.com/demo.html as usual. E11 V7.3 has the following new features: - My favorite one: a BREAKPOINT command which accepts arbitrary boolean test

Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 33, Issue 1

On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org wrote: > Message: 17 > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 20:10:33 +0100 > From: Lars Brinkhoff > To: Mattias Engdeg?rd > Subject: Re: DEC VT100/220 line wrapping semantics sought > Mattias Engdeg?rd wrote: > > Data for

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 03/01/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: > Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for early > Multics installations (and other systems) the sound of the Selectric > operator's console. There is no way that I'd wish anyone would have to put up with the

Re: Full immersion emulation

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >>> On 03/01/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for early >> >> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk

Re: Full immersion emulation

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 03/01/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: >> Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for early >> Multics installations (and other systems) the sound of the Selectric >>

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 03/01/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for early On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk There is no way that I'd wish anyone would have to put up with the 80+ dB "white noise" of fans and vacuum

Re: Full immersion emulation

[ stupid gmail ] On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: On 03/01/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: > > Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the

Full immersion emulation

Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for early Multics installations (and other systems) the sound of the Selectric operator's console. I/O Selectrics are rare, expensive and unreliable. If some good quality audio clips of a Selectric were available, it should be

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 3/1/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: So I am fishing for any existing audio clips with clean sounds, or someone with a Selectric that is willing to make some recordings, or a pointer to somewhere where all of this has been done already. -- Charles Golfball typewriter

Re: Full immersion emulation

On 2017-03-01 3:14 PM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: Part of the iconic mainframe experience is the cold room sounds; for early Multics installations (and other systems) the sound of the Selectric operator's console. I/O Selectrics are rare, expensive and unreliable. They are all

Re: Full immersion emulation

All this talk of the sounds hammering away and the console reminded me. There's another part of the experience: when a system crashed... There was a distinctive pattern of sounds when the register dump was printed, some beeps from the console and often the groans of the people that were affected

Re: Full immersion emulation

What about the chilling sound of a head crash? Ziiiggg kluk kluk kluk... On 1 March 2017 at 23:22, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > All this talk of the sounds hammering away and the console reminded me. > > There's another part of the experience: when a system

Re: Full immersion emulation

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Lawrence Wilkinson via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 01/03/17 21:13, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: > >> On 3/1/2017 11:14 AM, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: >> >>> So I am fishing for any existing audio clips with clean sounds, or >>> someone >>>

Re: I hate the new mail system

On 28 February 2017 at 21:23, Rich Alderson via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > OK, it's official. I rarely criticize mail interfaces, because they're > usually > mostly innocuous. However, today's change makes life a lot more difficult. > > In the past, it was simple to direct a reply

Re: DEC VT100/220 line wrapping semantics sought

1 mars 2017 kl. 07.14 skrev Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk : > I have a VT220 too, but it's in storage. I can dig it out if necessary, > but I'm hoping someone else can contribute those results. Thank you, I already got results for a VT220 from another contributor. > Note

Re: Cassette Interface Assistance

On 03/01/2017 01:40 AM, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: > On 2/28/2017 2:34 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: snippage > Obviously, given the LM339 issues, this is unworkable in the end, but > it did get me to realizing some outputs on the LM339, so thanks to > both of you. > > I can plainly see the

The fastest PDP-8 [Was: IBM S/32, PDP-11/60+RL01, PDP-11/34, East Lansing MI]

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 06:50:53PM -0800, Ian S. King via cctalk wrote: > > PDP-11/60 - the fastest PDP-8 ever built! :-) > I believe that work is lost though or could the microcode be floating around somewhere? /P (I think I've asked before.. sorry for the noise in that case)

Re: Paper tape carriers and paper tape

On 11/11/2016 04:32 PM, Al Kossow wrote: There are no suppliers, and the NOS stuff is all gone. No one is making new 80 column punched card stock either. Really? I thought there is still some card stock to buy. On 11/10/16 5:36 PM, Charles Dickman wrote: And where can I get new fan-fold

Re: Paper tape carriers and paper tape

On 11/11/2016 05:53 PM, Al Kossow wrote: No stock, or no cards? I would think that one of the paper manufacturers would be putting out postcard stock of the right specifications. This has been discussed for several years here. No one is making paper stock to IBM card stock specifications.

Re: Paper tape carriers and paper tape

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > On 11/11/2016 05:53 PM, Al Kossow wrote: > > No stock, or no cards? I would think that one of the paper manufacturers >>> would be putting out postcard stock of the right specifications. >>> >>

Re: Paper tape carriers and paper tape

On 11/13/2016 05:09 AM, John Labovitz wrote: A few years back, while photographing letterpress printers (see http://johnlabovitz.com/projects/letterpress), I met a fellow (Rob Barnes) in Denver who specializes in die-cutting. Like most die-cut operators, he uses mid-20th century Heidelberg

Re: Full immersion emulation

I'm replying to the "top level" original message just to put some other comments in on "full immersion" emulation, without trampling over the discussions that are going on about the sound experience. On 1 March 2017 at 14:14, Charles Anthony via cctalk wrote: > Part of