Re: Possible PUTR bug?

2019-05-11 Thread Douglas Taylor via cctalk
I understand your frustration, because all I really wanted to do was read/write RX33 and RX50 5-1/4" floppies to move data in and out of my microPDP11.  Once, I wanted to write an RX23 3-1/2" floppy with OpenVMS PAK files that could be read on an DEC Alpha. Finding a PC that supports the

Re: Possible PUTR bug?

2019-05-11 Thread Charles via cctalk
Just an update... I spent an entire long afternoon wrestling with that old PC, trying to find some combination of HDD jumpers and BIOS settings that would allow the XP hard drive to boot with another drive attached (either on the slave connector or the secondary channel with the CD-ROM

Re: PDP-11/40 available, Arizona

2019-05-11 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk
JUST   DOWN THE   ROAD A  FEW  HOURS  FROM  US HERE! ED# In a message dated 5/11/2019 2:33:48 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Great! Good luck with the visit. The other day I wrote to Kristina to express interest. > On 11 May 2019, at 04:38, Fritz Mueller via

Re: Possible PUTR bug?

2019-05-11 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/11/19 8:22 AM, Douglas Taylor via cctalk wrote: > Finding a PC that supports the 5-1/4" floppy drive is difficult, the > BIOS or FDC chips only support 3-1/2" floppies in many late model PC's.  > It appeared only a few of the older PC's that supported the 5-1/4" > drives could actually

Re: Possible PUTR bug?

2019-05-11 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sat, 11 May 2019, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Add to that, that really good "C" compilers for the x80/x86 took some time to mature. My first C on an 8086 was Lattice; compiled on a floppy-based system. DeSmet was in my price range, . . . But then Microsoft MASM 1.0 was terrible in its

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 05/11/2019 06:14 PM, Warren Toomey via cctalk wrote: I'm building my own 8-bit CPU from TTL chips, and this caused me to think: how were 32-bit minis built in the late 70s and early 80s? In particular, how was the ALU built? I know about the 74181 4-bit ALU, and I know (from reading A Soul of

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread allison via cctalk
On 05/11/2019 09:30 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > On 5/11/2019 6:28 PM, allison via cctalk wrote: > >> Not all were 74181 based, Thats an early 1972 part and but 1975 it was >> already getting old though useful as it evolved to 74S and 74F series. >> The 82s100 and 105 series were out there and

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/11/19 9:52 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: > On 5/11/2019 10:12 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > >> Personally, I preferred "the Naked Mini" > Used for porn world wide.:) >> --Chuck > Maybe--it was an 8 bit mini, so not very powerful. Mostly used in what we'd call "embedded" applications.

Re: Possible PUTR bug?

2019-05-11 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sat, 11 May 2019, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: In the case of RX50 on the PC, it doesn't matter. The format is 10 sectors of 512 bytes, which isn't supported by the PC BIOS in any regular sense (9 sectors is the norm). So most packages that deal with FILES-11 RX50 floppies on a PC use

Re: Possible PUTR bug?

2019-05-11 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/11/19 11:40 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > On Sat, 11 May 2019, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >> In the case of RX50 on the PC, it doesn't matter.  The format is 10 >> sectors of 512 bytes, which isn't supported by the PC BIOS in any >> regular sense (9 sectors is the norm).  So most

Re: Possible PUTR bug?

2019-05-11 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
In the case of RX50 on the PC, it doesn't matter.  The format is 10 sectors of 512 bytes, which isn't supported by the PC BIOS in any regular sense (9 sectors is the norm).  So most packages that deal with FILES-11 RX50 floppies on a PC use direct hardware (chip) access and bypass the BIOS

Re: Extra copy of "LSI-11, PDP-11/03 User's Manual"

2019-05-11 Thread Todd Goodman via cctalk
Hi Noel, If you don't get any takers, I'm interested and will happily reimburse you your entire ebay cost (including shipping to you) as well as shipping to me. Thank you! Todd On 5/10/2019 2:23 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: As a result of an inventory error on my part, I wound up

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread ben via cctalk
On 5/11/2019 5:14 PM, Warren Toomey via cctalk wrote: I'm building my own 8-bit CPU from TTL chips, and this caused me to think: how were 32-bit minis built in the late 70s and early 80s? In particular, how was the ALU built? I know about the 74181 4-bit ALU, and I know (from reading A Soul of a

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread Steve Malikoff via cctalk
Warren said > I'm building my own 8-bit CPU from TTL chips, and this caused me to think: > how were 32-bit minis built in the late 70s and early 80s? In particular, > how was the ALU built? I know about the 74181 4-bit ALU, and I know (from > reading A Soul of a New Machine) that PALs were also

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread Nigel Williams via cctalk
Marketing at the time even had a catchy name for the 32-bit minicomputer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superminicomputer

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/11/19 8:52 PM, Nigel Williams via cctalk wrote: > Marketing at the time even had a catchy name for the 32-bit minicomputer: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superminicomputer > Personally, I preferred "the Naked Mini" https://www.computerhistory.org/revolution/minicomputers/11/359

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread ben via cctalk
On 5/11/2019 9:28 PM, allison via cctalk wrote: On 05/11/2019 09:30 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: On 5/11/2019 6:28 PM, allison via cctalk wrote: Not all were 74181 based, Thats an early 1972 part and but 1975 it was already getting old though useful as it evolved to 74S and 74F series. The

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread ben via cctalk
On 5/11/2019 10:12 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Personally, I preferred "the Naked Mini" Used for porn world wide.:) --Chuck

Re: Possible PUTR bug?

2019-05-11 Thread allison via cctalk
My Solution is easier, least for me. I have a few Z80 CP/M machines with 765A in it and if it can't read it its likely due to being hard sectored or M2FM. I has 3.6, 5.25 and 8" and the 5.25 are Teac FD55gfh which are dual speed and can do all modes. With my own software and utilities it does

Re: Possible PUTR bug?

2019-05-11 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
I wish that I were to have met you 40 years ago! Learning that stuff by error, error, error, trial, and error was inefficient. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com On Sat, 11 May 2019, allison via cctech wrote: My Solution is easier, least for me. I have a few Z80 CP/M

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/11/19 4:14 PM, Warren Toomey via cctalk wrote: > I'm building my own 8-bit CPU from TTL chips, and this caused me to think: > how were 32-bit minis built in the late 70s and early 80s? In particular, > how was the ALU built? I know about the 74181 4-bit ALU, and I know (from > reading A Soul

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread Dennis Boone via cctalk
> I'm building my own 8-bit CPU from TTL chips, and this caused me to > think: how were 32-bit minis built in the late 70s and early 80s? In > particular, how was the ALU built? I know about the 74181 4-bit ALU, > and I know (from reading A Soul of a New Machine) that PALs were also > used.

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread allison via cctalk
On 05/11/2019 07:14 PM, Warren Toomey via cctalk wrote: > I'm building my own 8-bit CPU from TTL chips, and this caused me to think: > how were 32-bit minis built in the late 70s and early 80s? In particular, > how was the ALU built? I know about the 74181 4-bit ALU, and I know (from > reading A

How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread Warren Toomey via cctalk
I'm building my own 8-bit CPU from TTL chips, and this caused me to think: how were 32-bit minis built in the late 70s and early 80s? In particular, how was the ALU built? I know about the 74181 4-bit ALU, and I know (from reading A Soul of a New Machine) that PALs were also used. Did companies

Re: Possible PUTR bug?

2019-05-11 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/11/19 2:00 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > Although I enjoyed DeSmet C, I used Microsoft C for all subsequent high > level language progams that I wrote.  For example, I wrote the screen > capture TSR of "XenoFont" in MASM, and the printing program in Microsoft > C; I wrote "Sales tax

Re: Possible PUTR bug?

2019-05-11 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sat, 11 May 2019, Douglas Taylor via cctalk wrote: Finding a PC that supports the 5-1/4" floppy drive is difficult, the BIOS or FDC chips only support 3-1/2" floppies in many late model PC's.  It appeared only a few of the older PC's that supported the 5-1/4" drives could actually change

Re: PDP-11/40 available, Arizona

2019-05-11 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sat, 11 May 2019, ED SHATTNER wrote: JUST   DOWN THE   ROAD A  FEW  HOURS  FROM  US HERE! ED# You should go check it out. Even if there isn't anything that you want, you might be able to help, or store things for those who can't transport right away.

RE: What is this?

2019-05-11 Thread Tom Gardner via cctalk
There is a section in Bashe et al, Early IBM Computers that suggests Walnut only went to the CIA. The follow on project was Cypress beginning in 1962: “The main Cypress system, designed to store all information in digital form, was sometimes called the Trillion-bit File. This system was

Earlier microfilm retrieval systems (Was: What is this?

2019-05-11 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 10 May 2019, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Reading about WALNUT, it was more than a little unusual for its time. The idea was the setup stored (photographically) almost a million images using a non-silver process. The images were indexed digitally and the index was searchable. The

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread ben via cctalk
On 5/11/2019 6:28 PM, allison via cctalk wrote: Not all were 74181 based, Thats an early 1972 part and but 1975 it was already getting old though useful as it evolved to 74S and 74F series. The 82s100 and 105 series were out there and even by 1980 the AMD 2900C series was getting long in the

Re: How were 32-bit minis built in the 70s/80?

2019-05-11 Thread Charles Dickman via cctalk
On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 8:50 PM Steve Malikoff via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I could be remembering incorrectly but I think the Gould PN6080 mini we > had exclusively for third year > comp sci at Macquarie Uni in the mid/late 80s was 32-bit made up of > AMD2900 family logic (2901

RE: HP 1000 A900 ("Magic") Questions

2019-05-11 Thread Paul Birkel via cctalk
>-Original Message- >From: cctech [mailto:cctech-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Glen Slick >via cctech >Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 1:34 PM >To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts >Subject: Re: HP 1000 A900 ("Magic") Questions > >On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 4:14 AM Paul Birkel via cctech

PDP-11/40 available, Arizona

2019-05-11 Thread Adam Thornton via cctalk
I have been invited out to the site tomorrow morning to take an inventory of what’s there (I live near the machines). I imagine that I may well have a lot of photos that I bring to the list and say “what is this?” The owner has assured me the machines will not be sent to the scrapper and that

Re: PDP-11/40 available, Arizona

2019-05-11 Thread Fritz Mueller via cctalk
On 5/10/19 6:42 PM, Adam Thornton via cctech wrote: I have been invited out to the site tomorrow morning to take an inventory of what’s there (I live near the machines). I imagine that I may well have a lot of photos that I bring to the list and say “what is this?” Standing by to help out!

Re: PDP-11/40 available, Arizona

2019-05-11 Thread Eduardo Cruz via cctalk
Great! Good luck with the visit. The other day I wrote to Kristina to express interest. > On 11 May 2019, at 04:38, Fritz Mueller via cctalk > wrote: > > >> On 5/10/19 6:42 PM, Adam Thornton via cctech wrote: >> I have been invited out to the site tomorrow morning to take an inventory of >>