cool, but...
these are "translated" sources (presumably from some generic source that is
run through a tool that generates x86 asm). I just wish they had also
released the "source of the source" and the translation tool. Because that
was the interesting part of it.
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:43
On 5/21/2020 9:43 PM, Bruce Ray via cctech wrote:
G'day Camiel -
I will contact you off list -
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Wild Hare Computer Systems, Inc.
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Bruce,
If you have a way to run the sta
On 2020-05-21 22:44, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote:
> I must have miscommunicated. I have Xilinx ISE WebPack installed and
> running. I was asking about getting the Lattice toolchain up and
> running, which programming cable to get,
Are you talking Lattice/Diamond on Win10 or linux?
I don't remem
On 5/22/20 2:56 AM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote:
Now that is really cool. Good old MS
In '83 I was working for DEC and had access to things like BASIC+.
I was amazed at what they could do on a micoprocessor.
In my early days :-) I was given a project to develop programs
for an LSI-11/02
On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 05:26, Rico Pajarola via cctalk
wrote:
> >
> The whole concept of "if the plug fits, it will at least not blow up" is
> kind of a late invention.
Ha!
I have an old external 3.5" IDE disk enclosure. It's a good enclosure,
too -- Firewire 800 _and_ USB 2 _and_ eSATA. It has
I know where you are coming from. Starting out as an FE I was only
initially trained in assembler - specifically to trace each instruction
through the machine for troubleshooting! My first database was written
in ART418 (Assembler for Real Time/ Univac 418 :-))Later I learned C and
used it to
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:42:54PM -0700, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
>
> Seems of interest. Will be interesting to play with.
>
> https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/microsoft-open-sources-gw-basic/
>
Around 1992 I tried to use Basic on my Amiga to compute some stuff
from the physic
On 5/22/2020 3:34 AM, Rico Pajarola via cctalk wrote:
cool, but...
these are "translated" sources (presumably from some generic source that is
run through a tool that generates x86 asm). I just wish they had also
released the "source of the source" and the translation tool. Because that
was the
I really appreciate that MS is doing this. For me, I like seeing the
progressing of the code over time...like comparing QDOS to MSDOS 1.0 to 1.1 to
2.0. The release of WinWord 1.1 was interesting but not as much to me as DOS or
even the early BASICS for the 6502/Z80 which I think used the same k
Interesting. I wonder if this is similar to the qbasic code in the dos 5 (6?)
source leak that's floating around. Or if Gates wrote any of it.
Gates told the Smithsonian that the last product for which he personally
coded was the TRS-80 Model 100.
A quick look at the code indicates to me that the Intel translator
CONV86 may well have done the translation in "strict" mode. Of course,
there were other translators, but some of the stuff rings a bell.
For example, the 8080 instruction
INX B
gets translated to
SAHF
On Fri, May 22, 2020, 1:43 AM jim stephens via cctalk
wrote:
Seems of interest. Will be interesting to play with.
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/microsoft-open-sources-gw-basic/
On Fri, 22 May 2020, Justin Goldberg via cctalk wrote:
Interesting. I wonder if this is similar to t
On Fri, 22 May 2020, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
Ha!
I have an old external 3.5" IDE disk enclosure. It's a good enclosure,
too -- Firewire 800 _and_ USB 2 _and_ eSATA. It has the internal drive
from my old iMac G5 in it. The iMac suffered from failing capacitors
and I coaxed a little more life
> But, I have some 3.25" drives that use same connectors as "standard" 3.5"
> drives, ("4 pin Berg"?) EXCEPT 5V and 12V are swapped in their positions
> in the coneectors!
I have an Archive Sidewinder tape drive on one of my PERQs. The power
connector is the same as a 5.25" floppy drive power con
On Fri, 22 May 2020, Nigel Johnson via cctalk wrote:
Now even embedded systems are running with gigahertz clock speeds! Over my
career I have seen the change from three assembler courses in a six-semester
program to just one 'so they can get their hands wet'!
In the end, when asked 'why do we
On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 18:21, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Similarly, I have a few 3.25" drives. NO, not 3.5"; not 3.0". 3.25" was
> the entry in the "shirt pocket disk" wars that Dysan bet the company on.
> (remember their disks?)Another discussion.
I remember the Zenith Minisport, a D
On Fri, 22 May 2020, Tony Duell wrote:
Of course plugging an RS232 cable (DB25, none of this DE9 nonsense!)
into a PC printer port (or a PC printer cable into an RS232 port) is a
good way to let magic smoke out of some TTL chips...
IBM tried to use the [INADEQUATE] protection of opposite gender
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 6:21 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
>
> On Fri, 22 May 2020, Tony Duell wrote:
> > Of course plugging an RS232 cable (DB25, none of this DE9 nonsense!)
> > into a PC printer port (or a PC printer cable into an RS232 port) is a
> > good way to let magic smoke out of some TT
Thanks for posting the timeline of various Basic interpreters. I
wasn't aware that Gates/Allen also wrote Basic for C64. Did download
the 8080 Basic source code out of interest, but in early 1980's had
very little to do with IBM PC.
As was working with PDP-11's at that time, really disliked
On 5/22/20 10:31 AM, Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctalk wrote:
Recently found a movie Pirates of Silicon Valley which had some of early
Microsoft history
It is a work of fiction, and should be taken as such.
On 5/22/2020 6:06 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
On 5/22/20 2:56 AM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote:
Now that is really cool. Good old MS
In '83 I was working for DEC and had access to things like BASIC+.
I was amazed at what they could do on a micoprocessor.
In my early days :-) I
On 5/22/2020 11:50 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
On 5/22/20 10:31 AM, Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctalk wrote:
Recently found a movie Pirates of Silicon Valley which had some of
early Microsoft history
It is a work of fiction, and should be taken as such.
Confused here. Pirates or Micosoft hi
I remember sittig in the DEC Ealing (London) Office in 1975 watching a
programmer work on TOPS 10
That was DEC's mainframe operating system.
A foot high of printout all in assembler!!!
On 22/05/2020 20:24, ben via cctalk wrote:
On 5/22/2020 6:06 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
On 5/22/
Recently found a movie Pirates of Silicon Valley which had some of early
Microsoft history
On 5/22/2020 11:50 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
It is a work of fiction, and should be taken as such.
On Fri, 22 May 2020, ben via cctalk wrote:
Confused here. Pirates or Micosoft history?
Runs.
Ben
On 22/05/2020 17:21, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
#> 3.0" drives (Amdek, Amstrad, etc.) use same connectors as "standard"
5.25", with "molex" power connector (I don't know what the CORRECT name
is for that connector).
It's part of the AMP (now TE) Mate-N-LOK series.
But, I have some 3.25" dr
On 5/22/2020 1:38 PM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote:
I remember sittig in the DEC Ealing (London) Office in 1975 watching a
programmer work on TOPS 10
That was DEC's mainframe operating system.
A foot high of printout all in assembler!!!
But remember mainframes after 1960 (compared to the 50
On Fri, 22 May 2020, Boris Gimbarzevsky wrote:
Thanks for posting the timeline of various Basic interpreters. I wasn't
aware that Gates/Allen also wrote Basic for C64.
Microsoft did a BASIC for the Commodore PET. I wasn't aware that they did
the C64.
Did download the 8080 Basic source code
3.0" drives (Amdek, Amstrad, etc.) use same connectors as "standard"
5.25", with "molex" power connector (I don't know what the CORRECT name is
for that connector).
On Fri, 22 May 2020, Pete Turnbull via cctalk wrote:
It's part of the AMP (now TE) Mate-N-LOK series.
But, I have some 3.25"
On Fri, 22 May 2020, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
On Fri, 22 May 2020, Boris Gimbarzevsky wrote:
Thanks for posting the timeline of various Basic interpreters. I wasn't
aware that Gates/Allen also wrote Basic for C64.
Microsoft did a BASIC for the Commodore PET. I wasn't aware that they did
On 5/22/2020 12:38 PM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote:
I remember sittig in the DEC Ealing (London) Office in 1975 watching a
programmer work on TOPS 10
That was DEC's mainframe operating system.
A foot high of printout all in assembler!!!
HASP on the hoof, or MVT when I was around the 360
On May 21, 2020, at 8:46 AM, Jay Jaeger via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Helpful tips - I agree with avoiding vendor extensions. Thanks.
I’d strongly suggest that the situation with FPGAs & HDLs requires a bit more
nuance than that. You *should* probably avoid or carefully isolate vendor
*language exte
tis 2020-05-05 klockan 15:39 +0200 skrev Johan Helsingius via cctalk:
> I have a bunch of the pizza box SPARC ones that need to find a proper
> home, but they are somewhat special as they were the ones from one of
> the first pan-European Internet service providers (EUnet).
>
> Julf
>
Are
On 5/22/20 3:24 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
On 5/22/2020 6:06 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
On 5/22/20 2:56 AM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote:
Now that is really cool. Good old MS
In '83 I was working for DEC and had access to things like BASIC+.
I was amazed at what they could do on a
On 5/22/20 3:34 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
On 5/22/2020 11:50 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
On 5/22/20 10:31 AM, Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctalk wrote:
Recently found a movie Pirates of Silicon Valley which had some of
early Microsoft history
It is a work of fiction, and should be taken as su
You know, reading about this made me dig out the info I had on the Character
Oriented Windows ("COW") library. I was reading some of the docs and it
occurred to me that it operated much like Windows (probably Windows 1), but
what I couldn't find were any "sample" programs or tools to build a pro
Richard said
> You know, reading about this made me dig out the info I had on the Character
> Oriented Windows ("COW") library. I was reading some of the docs and it
> occurred to me that it operated much like Windows (probably Windows 1), but
> what I couldn't find were any "sample" programs or
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