Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine

[John Klos via cctalk]

Thank you all for all of the interest. The first person who wrote me isn't 
far away at all and will give it a good home, so I'm going to go with him.


While I'm fetching those, I'm going to make a list of other older hardware 
for which I'd like to find homes, so I'll post about that, and possibly 
about other magazines, in a week or so.


Thanks!
John

Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine

[Zane Healy via cctalk]

> On Dec 14, 2018, at 11:54 PM, Randy Dawson  wrote:
> 
> Zane, your comments are appreciated.
> 
> I have paid for subscriptions to ebooks that cost ~10 a month, and they are 
> OK for text, but when a schematic comes up, it sucks (scribd) you cant zoom 
> or increase the resolution.
> I also follow you on your purchase experience with out of print and search.  
> I am dumb or spend hours on search, then find it and think everybody already 
> knows but me.  Most recent all the Dr. Dobbs and Byte, Pop Sci online I only 
> found recently.
> I suppose there is money to be made if you can check in your morals.  I see 
> all this (now) public domain type stuff (including Al's bitsavers manuals) 
> for sale on ebay DVDs.
> The unwashed will be relieved from their dollars.
> 
> Randy

Now you’re touching on something that really ticks me off, and I’ve seen it 
done using Google Books, and others (the book I bought before I knew what was 
going on was done using a Google Books scan).  That’s the growing market on 
“Print On Demand” books done using these scans.  Many of these books are still 
covered under the original copywrite.   And of course, there are the folks 
selling the CD’s and DVD’s on eBay.


The people offering “reproductions" for sale in these fashions harm the 
community as a whole.

It also makes it rather challenging to find original copies for sale, as you 
have to wade through so many of these offerings.

Zane

Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine

[ED SHARPE via cctalk]

these  may already  be scanned and  out there.

 
we  have   hardcopy  and   what a  joy to  sit  and   just  look  though in  a  
big  arm chair
 
If  you have  space   always  great to have  them in  prit  as  the images  
for  displays  etc   are  better     than what usually is  out   compressed on 
the  net.  I  have  found though internet  archive    has   some  jpeg2000 I 
think it is     pages   for many things  that  are  pretty  sharp.
 
 
In a message dated 12/14/2018 11:50:36 AM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

 
On 12/14/18 11:16 AM, John Klos via cctalk wrote:

> Hi, all,

Hi John,

> Does anyone know of any person or organization within a reasonable 
> distance from southern California who might take these magazines and 
> preserve them, instead of just selling them on eBay?

Have you contacted the Internet Archive and / or BitSavers? I think one 
or both of them will take things like this and scan them for 
preservation and to share with other people.



-- 
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine

[Randy Dawson via cctalk]

Kilobaud is also up on the Internet archive.
https://archive.org/details/kilobaudmagazine
Kilobaud Microcomputing Magazine - Internet 
Archive<https://archive.org/details/kilobaudmagazine>
Kilobaud Microcomputing was a magazine dedicated to the computer homebrew 
hobbyists from the end of the 1970s until the beginning of the 1980s. Wayne 
Green, the Publisher/Editor of kilobaud, had been the publisher of BYTE 
magazine, (another influential microcomputer magazine of the time) where he...
archive.org



From: cctalk  on behalf of ben via cctalk 

Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2018 12:27 AM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine

On 12/15/2018 12:54 AM, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
> Zane, your comments are appreciated.
>
> I have paid for subscriptions to ebooks that cost ~10 a month, and
> they are OK for text, but when a schematic comes up, it sucks
> (scribd) you cant zoom or increase the resolution. I also follow you
> on your purchase experience with out of print and search. I am dumb
> or spend hours on search, then find it and think everybody already
> knows but me.  Most recent all the Dr. Dobbs and Byte, Pop Sci online
> I only found recently.

That still leaves Kilobaud  scans.

> I suppose there is money to be made if you can check in your morals.
> I see all this (now) public domain type stuff (including Al's
> bitsavers manuals) for sale on ebay DVDs. The unwashed will be
> relieved from their dollars.

I better shower, so I can clean and EVIL.

> Randy 

Ben.

Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine

[ben via cctalk]

On 12/15/2018 12:54 AM, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:

Zane, your comments are appreciated.

I have paid for subscriptions to ebooks that cost ~10 a month, and
they are OK for text, but when a schematic comes up, it sucks
(scribd) you cant zoom or increase the resolution. I also follow you
on your purchase experience with out of print and search. I am dumb
or spend hours on search, then find it and think everybody already
knows but me.  Most recent all the Dr. Dobbs and Byte, Pop Sci online
I only found recently.


That still leaves Kilobaud  scans.


I suppose there is money to be made if you can check in your morals.
I see all this (now) public domain type stuff (including Al's
bitsavers manuals) for sale on ebay DVDs. The unwashed will be
relieved from their dollars.


I better shower, so I can clean and EVIL.


Randy 


Ben.

Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine

[Randy Dawson via cctalk]

Zane, your comments are appreciated.

I have paid for subscriptions to ebooks that cost ~10 a month, and they are OK 
for text, but when a schematic comes up, it sucks (scribd) you cant zoom or 
increase the resolution.
I also follow you on your purchase experience with out of print and search.
I am dumb or spend hours on search, then find it and think everybody already 
knows but me.  Most recent all the Dr. Dobbs and Byte, Pop Sci online I only 
found recently.
I suppose there is money to be made if you can check in your morals.  I see all 
this (now) public domain type stuff (including Al's bitsavers manuals) for sale 
on ebay DVDs.
The unwashed will be relieved from their dollars.

Randy

From: cctalk  on behalf of Zane Healy via cctalk 

Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 5:40 PM
To: Fred Cisin; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine


> On Dec 14, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk  
> wrote:
>
>>> There exist some people who DISCARD materials once they have been scanned.
>>> Some people object to calling that "preservation".
>
> On Fri, 14 Dec 2018, Zane Healy wrote:
>> Aren’t these the same people that scan at such poor quality that only the 
>> text is “usable”, and illustrations are largely unusable?
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if there is substantial overlap between the two 
> groups.  Although one would hope that those who think that digital copies are 
> adequate would care about making them adequate.
> Admittedly, there are SOME materials where scans need only be adequate for 
> OCR. Certainly Murphy would hold that the least available ones would be those 
> that most need quality scanning.

And scan in colour, where it’s important!

>> Case in point, I’m trying to track down a 150 year old book, by one of my 
>> favorite photography authors, it’s on Google books, but the illustrations, 
>> which are vital to understanding what the author is talking about, are 
>> largely useless.
>
> Hmmm.  150 year old photography book would be just after civil war.
> My preference for photography books isusually from about 60 to 80 years ago, 
> when publishers could do a good job of B plates, and the technology of 35mm 
> was coming along.   (Morgan and Lester, etc.)
> Occasionally, I'll drive to Carmel to look at Ansel Adams prints at the 
> Weston Gallery - "megapixel" just doesn't cut it!

It’s less a technical book, and more a philosophical book on composition, and 
uses works of a well known 19th century painter in most examples.  As for books 
in the time frame you’re mentioning, don’t forget the “Ilford Manual of 
Photography”, the examples for troubleshooting are actually easy to use 
compared to the newer “Manual of Photography”, even though they’re mostly the 
same photo’s.  Right now I’m fighting with some processing issues with 8x10 and 
11x14 film.  Though if I was driving to Carmel, it wouldn’t be to look at Ansel 
Adams prints, it would be to look at Edward Weston’s.  His work for Walt 
Whitman’s “Leaves of Grass”, drives much of my efforts.

> Is there any way to penetrate the Google infrastructure, to track down who 
> scanned the book, and where it now is?

I think I’ve finally tracked down a copy.  Part of the hold-up has been 
ensuring that I don’t buy an older edition.  There were at least 4 editions.  
It’s also *not* a cheap book.  Oddly enough, some of the techniques used in the 
book, seem better suited to Adobe Photoshop. :-)  H.P. Robinson was a man 
before his time!

Zane

Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine

[Zane Healy via cctalk]

> On Dec 14, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
>>> There exist some people who DISCARD materials once they have been scanned.
>>> Some people object to calling that "preservation".
> 
> On Fri, 14 Dec 2018, Zane Healy wrote:
>> Aren’t these the same people that scan at such poor quality that only the 
>> text is “usable”, and illustrations are largely unusable?
> 
> I wouldn't be surprised if there is substantial overlap between the two 
> groups.  Although one would hope that those who think that digital copies are 
> adequate would care about making them adequate.
> Admittedly, there are SOME materials where scans need only be adequate for 
> OCR. Certainly Murphy would hold that the least available ones would be those 
> that most need quality scanning.

And scan in colour, where it’s important!

>> Case in point, I’m trying to track down a 150 year old book, by one of my 
>> favorite photography authors, it’s on Google books, but the illustrations, 
>> which are vital to understanding what the author is talking about, are 
>> largely useless.
> 
> Hmmm.  150 year old photography book would be just after civil war.
> My preference for photography books isusually from about 60 to 80 years ago, 
> when publishers could do a good job of B plates, and the technology of 35mm 
> was coming along.   (Morgan and Lester, etc.)
> Occasionally, I'll drive to Carmel to look at Ansel Adams prints at the 
> Weston Gallery - "megapixel" just doesn't cut it!

It’s less a technical book, and more a philosophical book on composition, and 
uses works of a well known 19th century painter in most examples.  As for books 
in the time frame you’re mentioning, don’t forget the “Ilford Manual of 
Photography”, the examples for troubleshooting are actually easy to use 
compared to the newer “Manual of Photography”, even though they’re mostly the 
same photo’s.  Right now I’m fighting with some processing issues with 8x10 and 
11x14 film.  Though if I was driving to Carmel, it wouldn’t be to look at Ansel 
Adams prints, it would be to look at Edward Weston’s.  His work for Walt 
Whitman’s “Leaves of Grass”, drives much of my efforts.

> Is there any way to penetrate the Google infrastructure, to track down who 
> scanned the book, and where it now is?

I think I’ve finally tracked down a copy.  Part of the hold-up has been 
ensuring that I don’t buy an older edition.  There were at least 4 editions.  
It’s also *not* a cheap book.  Oddly enough, some of the techniques used in the 
book, seem better suited to Adobe Photoshop. :-)  H.P. Robinson was a man 
before his time!

Zane

Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

There exist some people who DISCARD materials once they have been scanned.
Some people object to calling that "preservation".


On Fri, 14 Dec 2018, Zane Healy wrote:
Aren’t these the same people that scan at such poor quality that only 
the text is “usable”, and illustrations are largely unusable?


I wouldn't be surprised if there is substantial overlap between the two 
groups.  Although one would hope that those who think that digital 
copies are adequate would care about making them adequate.
Admittedly, there are SOME materials where scans need only be adequate for 
OCR. 
Certainly Murphy would hold that the least available ones would be those 
that most need quality scanning.


Case in point, I’m trying to track down a 150 year old book, by one of 
my favorite photography authors, it’s on Google books, but the 
illustrations, which are vital to understanding what the author is 
talking about, are largely useless.


Hmmm.  150 year old photography book would be just after civil war.
My preference for photography books isusually from about 60 to 80 years 
ago, when publishers could do a good job of B plates, and the 
technology of 35mm was coming along.   (Morgan and Lester, etc.)
Occasionally, I'll drive to Carmel to look at Ansel Adams prints at the 
Weston Gallery - "megapixel" just doesn't cut it!


Is there any way to penetrate the Google infrastructure, to track down who 
scanned the book, and where it now is?


--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com

Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine

[Zane Healy via cctalk]

> On Dec 14, 2018, at 12:10 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> There exist some people who DISCARD materials once they have been scanned.
> Some people object to calling that "preservation".

Aren’t these the same people that scan at such poor quality that only the text 
is “usable”, and illustrations are largely unusable?

Case in point, I’m trying to track down a 150 year old book, by one of my 
favorite photography authors, it’s on Google books, but the illustrations, 
which are vital to understanding what the author is talking about, are largely 
useless.

Zane

Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

Does anyone know of any person or organization within a reasonable distance 
from southern California who might take these magazines and preserve them, 
instead of just selling them on eBay?


On Fri, 14 Dec 2018, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
Have you contacted the Internet Archive and / or BitSavers?  I think one or 
both of them will take things like this and scan them for preservation and to 
share with other people.


Q1: Which issues of BYTE have not been scanned yet??

Q2: What do Internet Archive and Bitsavers do with materials after 
scanning?  (or duplicates? or incoming materials that they have aready 
scanned?)

Maybe they could sell them on eBay to fund their activities, . . .


There exist some people who DISCARD materials once they have been scanned.
Some people object to calling that "preservation".

Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine

[Randy Dawson via cctalk]

Hi John,

If you have not gotten any takers, I will step up.
I am in Los Angeles (Thousand Oaks).

I see most if not all is online at internet achive an here:

https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Byte_Magazine.htm

I would rather have the physical magazine.  Let me know what others you want to 
get rid of (Kilobaud?)

Randy
BYTE MAGAZINE: Early computer 
publication<https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Byte_Magazine.htm>
Byte magazine was an early microcomputer magazine, influential in the late 
1970s and throughout the 1980s because of its wide-ranging editorial coverage. 
Byte started in 1975, shortly after the first personal computers appeared as 
kits which were advertised in the back of electronics magazines.
www.americanradiohistory.com



From: cctalk  on behalf of John Klos via cctalk 

Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 10:16 AM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine

Hi, all,

I have a collection of most of BYTE Magazine from the beginning through
about 1985. Instead of selling it on eBay, I'd rather find a home for it
where people can enjoy it. I also have a small collection of other
computer magazines from the late 1970s and early 1980s which I'd like to
include.

Does anyone know of any person or organization within a reasonable
distance from southern California who might take these magazines and
preserve them, instead of just selling them on eBay?

Thanks!
John
--
I don't know which scares me more - that people adhere to the idea of an
omnipotent being powerful enough to create the universe, but whose
supposedly most cherished creation is a race modeled after himself which
can't stop hurting and killing each other, or the idea that those same
people cannot or will not consider the possibility that the universe is
random and unfeeling, and it's up to us to create order and beauty out of
chaos and entropy.

Re: Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine

[Grant Taylor via cctalk]

On 12/14/18 11:16 AM, John Klos via cctalk wrote:

Hi, all,


Hi John,

Does anyone know of any person or organization within a reasonable 
distance from southern California who might take these magazines and 
preserve them, instead of just selling them on eBay?


Have you contacted the Internet Archive and / or BitSavers?  I think one 
or both of them will take things like this and scan them for 
preservation and to share with other people.




--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Looking for a home for most issues of BYTE Magazine

[John Klos via cctalk]

Hi, all,

I have a collection of most of BYTE Magazine from the beginning through 
about 1985. Instead of selling it on eBay, I'd rather find a home for it 
where people can enjoy it. I also have a small collection of other 
computer magazines from the late 1970s and early 1980s which I'd like to 
include.


Does anyone know of any person or organization within a reasonable 
distance from southern California who might take these magazines and 
preserve them, instead of just selling them on eBay?


Thanks!
John
--
I don't know which scares me more - that people adhere to the idea of an
omnipotent being powerful enough to create the universe, but whose
supposedly most cherished creation is a race modeled after himself which
can't stop hurting and killing each other, or the idea that those same
people cannot or will not consider the possibility that the universe is
random and unfeeling, and it's up to us to create order and beauty out of
chaos and entropy.

Re: Manuals looking for a home

[Antonio Carlini via cctalk]

On 21/11/2018 20:08, Mike Norris via cctalk wrote:

Hi Guys,


I have the following manuals looking for a home, free except for 
postage/delivery. (Based in UK).


   1.
11/44 Field Maintenance Print Set (includes memory inverter, MS11-M, TU58)
   2.
RWP04 moving head disk subsystem maintenance manual
   3.
RM05 Disk Subsystem User guide + RM05 Fault Isolation Guide + RM05 IPB + RM05 
Disk Subsystem Service Manual
   4.
DEC Station 220 Installation and Operations Guide
   5.
RA80 Maintenance Guide + RA81 Disk Drive Maintenance Guide + RA60 Maintenance 
Guide
   6.
MDM Microvax Diagnostic Monitor User's guide + Wartips (Warrington Support) - 
SID Registers, Boot lists, DCL Bits 7 Bobs.


Will happily give further details if required, otherwise these go into recycling


Hi,

It looks like you have a taker for some of those manuals already. To be 
honest I have too much stuff already so I'm hoping that someone else 
does come along to take (1), (2) and (4), but no-one does, please let me 
know and I'll pony up the necessary postage.



Thanks


Antonio




--
Antonio Carlini
anto...@acarlini.com

Re: Manuals looking for a home

[Mark Darvill via cctalk]

Hi Mike,

Could I take 3, 5 & 6. I am also in the uk.

If that is ok, I will send you my details and payment for postage.

Thanks, Mark

Sent from my iPhone

> On 21 Nov 2018, at 20:08, Mike Norris via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> 
> I have the following manuals looking for a home, free except for 
> postage/delivery. (Based in UK).
> 
> 
>  1.
> 11/44 Field Maintenance Print Set (includes memory inverter, MS11-M, TU58)
>  2.
> RWP04 moving head disk subsystem maintenance manual
>  3.
> RM05 Disk Subsystem User guide + RM05 Fault Isolation Guide + RM05 IPB + RM05 
> Disk Subsystem Service Manual
>  4.
> DEC Station 220 Installation and Operations Guide
>  5.
> RA80 Maintenance Guide + RA81 Disk Drive Maintenance Guide + RA60 Maintenance 
> Guide
>  6.
> MDM Microvax Diagnostic Monitor User's guide + Wartips (Warrington Support) - 
> SID Registers, Boot lists, DCL Bits 7 Bobs.
> 
> 
> Will happily give further details if required, otherwise these go into 
> recycling
> 
> 
> Regards Mike Norris

Manuals looking for a home

[Mike Norris via cctalk]

Hi Guys,


I have the following manuals looking for a home, free except for 
postage/delivery. (Based in UK).


  1.
11/44 Field Maintenance Print Set (includes memory inverter, MS11-M, TU58)
  2.
RWP04 moving head disk subsystem maintenance manual
  3.
RM05 Disk Subsystem User guide + RM05 Fault Isolation Guide + RM05 IPB + RM05 
Disk Subsystem Service Manual
  4.
DEC Station 220 Installation and Operations Guide
  5.
RA80 Maintenance Guide + RA81 Disk Drive Maintenance Guide + RA60 Maintenance 
Guide
  6.
MDM Microvax Diagnostic Monitor User's guide + Wartips (Warrington Support) - 
SID Registers, Boot lists, DCL Bits 7 Bobs.


Will happily give further details if required, otherwise these go into recycling


Regards Mike Norris

Re: Looking for a home

[Brian Marstella via cctalk]

Have you determined a price for the HP?

Regards, Brian

On Feb 4, 2018 19:46, "Pete Lancashire via cctalk" 
wrote:

> Need to start cleaning aut, will have more/better pictures soon
>
> The Alphas have full True64 feature certificates, at least one ran
> before going into storage and has 2 72 GBs and at least 3 new 300 GB
> drives.
>
> One of the Suns is a Sun1 pre-production
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/c8dHa89KUaUGVn9n1
>
> The IBM RS6000 has been spoken for
>
> -pete
>

Re: Looking for a home

[ftg888--- via cctalk]

How much for the vax 3100?
Please?


Sent from my iPhone

> On 5 Feb 2018, at 01:46, Pete Lancashire via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> Need to start cleaning aut, will have more/better pictures soon
> 
> The Alphas have full True64 feature certificates, at least one ran
> before going into storage and has 2 72 GBs and at least 3 new 300 GB drives.
> 
> One of the Suns is a Sun1 pre-production
> 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/c8dHa89KUaUGVn9n1
> 
> The IBM RS6000 has been spoken for
> 
> -pete

Re: Looking for a home

[Pete Lancashire via cctalk]

sorry i ment sparc 1, it was "loaned" to me by Sun, I had the first Suns in
the Portland Area, was totally different back then,
has a problem with VI and Bill Joy took the ticket.

I started with 3's

-pete

On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 4:58 PM, Richard Loken  wrote:

> On Sun, 4 Feb 2018, Pete Lancashire via cctalk wrote:
>
> One of the Suns is a Sun1 pre-production
>>
>
> Perhaps a pre-production Sparc?  I had a long personal relationship with
> a Sun-1 and nothing there looks remotely like a Sun-1.
>
> --
>   Richard Loken VE6BSV: "...underneath those tuques we wear,
>   Athabasca, Alberta Canada   : our heads are naked!"
>   ** rllo...@telus.net ** :- Arthur Black
>
>

Re: Looking for a home

[Richard Loken via cctalk]

On Sun, 4 Feb 2018, Pete Lancashire via cctalk wrote:


One of the Suns is a Sun1 pre-production


Perhaps a pre-production Sparc?  I had a long personal relationship with
a Sun-1 and nothing there looks remotely like a Sun-1.

--
  Richard Loken VE6BSV: "...underneath those tuques we wear,
  Athabasca, Alberta Canada   : our heads are naked!"
  ** rllo...@telus.net ** :- Arthur Black

Re: Looking for a home

[Pete Lancashire via cctalk]

I think that is the pre-production Sparc 1

On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 4:49 PM, ftg...@elbonia.org 
wrote:

> What's the slab on the top?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 5 Feb 2018, at 01:46, Pete Lancashire via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Need to start cleaning aut, will have more/better pictures soon
> >
> > The Alphas have full True64 feature certificates, at least one ran
> > before going into storage and has 2 72 GBs and at least 3 new 300 GB
> drives.
> >
> > One of the Suns is a Sun1 pre-production
> >
> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/c8dHa89KUaUGVn9n1
> >
> > The IBM RS6000 has been spoken for
> >
> > -pete
>
>
>

Re: Looking for a home

[ftg888--- via cctalk]

What's the slab on the top?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 5 Feb 2018, at 01:46, Pete Lancashire via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> Need to start cleaning aut, will have more/better pictures soon
> 
> The Alphas have full True64 feature certificates, at least one ran
> before going into storage and has 2 72 GBs and at least 3 new 300 GB drives.
> 
> One of the Suns is a Sun1 pre-production
> 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/c8dHa89KUaUGVn9n1
> 
> The IBM RS6000 has been spoken for
> 
> -pete

Looking for a home

[Pete Lancashire via cctalk]

Need to start cleaning aut, will have more/better pictures soon

The Alphas have full True64 feature certificates, at least one ran
before going into storage and has 2 72 GBs and at least 3 new 300 GB drives.

One of the Suns is a Sun1 pre-production

https://photos.app.goo.gl/c8dHa89KUaUGVn9n1

The IBM RS6000 has been spoken for

-pete

Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

[Ed via cctalk]

Hi  CHris -We  wanted one cleaner! for the  exterior  view.
 
also  2  are  good.
 
one   can be showed set up 
 and 
another one   for people to peek inside.
 
OK   did that   with  pair  of Altairs   which  due to conditions   worked 
out  well
 
had  pristine looking Altair   with  replacedpower supply and  mother 
board ... blahright?   but  left  closed  for exterior  view in display  
looks   great.
 
had  2ed one  nasty  out side and front pane front...  not  so nice l but  
inside  it  has  the   correct orig. wimpy power supply and the little  
linked together   mother board  segments  with 100 jumper  wiresholding 
each 
together...this MADE A GREAT  INTERIOR display.  
 
Ed#  _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)  
 
 
In a message dated 3/14/2017 12:08:45 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cmhan...@eschatologist.net writes:

On Mar  12, 2017, at 7:26 PM, Ed via cctalk   wrote:
> 
> OK anyone else have a cube out there that is   cosmetically  decent?  
does 
> not need to be internally  complete?
> 
> Ours is a bit of a beater  for the   display

What’s wrong with yours that you can’t clean it up for a  non-operational 
display?

--  Chirs

Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

[Chris Hanson via cctalk]

On Mar 12, 2017, at 7:26 PM, Ed via cctalk  wrote:
> 
> OK anyone else have a cube out there that is  cosmetically  decent?  does 
> not need to be internally complete?
> 
> Ours is a bit of a beater  for the  display

What’s wrong with yours that you can’t clean it up for a non-operational 
display?

  -- Chirs

Re: NeXT in Toronto/Canada - was Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

[Chris Hanson via cctalk]

On Mar 8, 2017, at 7:01 PM, Mouse via cctalk  wrote:
> 
>> I'm also a Cube owner in Toronto.  Maybe we should start a local
>> collector's / user's group :D
> 
>> Any others care to speak up?
> 
> I'm in Ottawa.  I've got a - very small! - collection of NeXT hardware.
> A slab or two, at least one megapixel display (the 2bpp greyscale
> kind), some small number of keyboards, a mouse or two, that's probably
> about it.  I gave away my Cube years back.
> 
> I've been tempted to get rid of them, but feel sentimental enough about
> having developed MouseX that I've so far avoided doing so.  Also, I've
> been holding out the (admittedly slight) hope that hardware
> documentation will surface for the interesting hardware; I do not run
> closed-source software, so that's important to me.

Sufficient hardware documentation has been available to write emulators 
(Previous) and port NetBSD.

That said, I don’t understand why one would have NeXT hardware and then run 
NetBSD on it instead of the NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP operating system that was 
designed for it and is period-appropriate. If you’re not going to use it as 
NeXT hardware, maybe someone who will use it that way would be happy to have it.

Also, especially for software that’s (1) built using a common and 
well-undertsood architecture, (2) not “secured” in any way, and (3) not being 
updated, you really can maintain and improve it yourself pretty reasonably.

Heck, there’s a pretty accurate Open Source decompiler for Objective-C called 
“code-dump” (derived Steve Nygard’s “class-dump”) to which it would probably be 
straightforward to add 68040 support…

  -- Chris

Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

[Tapley, Mark via cctalk]

On Mar 12, 2017, at 9:12 PM, Santo Nucifora via cctalk  
wrote:

> Thanks to Chris, I have given the equipment a new home. Pics have been
> taken of the two NeXT Cube boards in question and pics of the motherboard,
> for good measure.  I've made a post on the NeXT computer forum here for
> those who may be interested:
> http://www.nextcomputers.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4027
> 
> Thanks,
> Santo

Good photos, thank you for posting! Looks like this cube had a pretty 
interesting life so far! It might well be you find some interesting drivers or 
other software on the hard drive. 

- Mark

Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

[Ed via cctalk]

OK anyone else have a cube out there that is  cosmetically  decent?  does 
not need to be internally complete?
 
Ours is a bit of a beater  for the  display
 
 
thanks  Ed Sharpe archivist for smecc
 
 
 
In a message dated 3/12/2017 7:18:42 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
santo.nucif...@gmail.com writes:

On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 10:13 PM,  wrote:

 
 
ok can you spare the cube?
Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org/) 





No.  As I noted, I haven't even booted it up yet to try it.  I  will be 
keeping that, one of the mono NeXTstations (the one for parts ) and  passing on 
a NeXTstation to a fellow collector.   I appreciate the  interest but it 
hasn't even warmed up yet from the cold :)


Santo

Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

[Santo Nucifora via cctalk]

On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 10:13 PM,  wrote:

> ok can you spare the cube?
> Ed# www.smecc.org
>
>
No.  As I noted, I haven't even booted it up yet to try it.  I will be
keeping that, one of the mono NeXTstations (the one for parts ) and passing
on a NeXTstation to a fellow collector.   I appreciate the interest but it
hasn't even warmed up yet from the cold :)

Santo

Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

[Ed via cctalk]

ok can you spare the cube?
Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) 
 
 
 
In a message dated 3/12/2017 7:12:11 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

Thanks  to Chris, I have given the equipment a new home. Pics have been
taken of  the two NeXT Cube boards in question and pics of the motherboard,
for good  measure.  I've made a post on the NeXT computer forum here for
those  who may be  interested:
http://www.nextcomputers.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4027

Thanks,
Santo

On  Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Ed via cctalk  
wrote:

> let  me   put  my name  back in the hat  for  the  cube   next  
computer...
> all the other stuff  we have looks   ok  but  appears  like our  cube may
> have met a  baseball bat on part of  it
>
> poor thing   would  not  look  good in a   display.
> Ed  Sharpe archivist  for SMECC
>
>
> In a message dated  3/10/2017 10:13:29 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
>  cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
>
> On 9  March 2017 at 01:21,  Ian Finder via cctalk 
> wrote:
>  > Is someone testing a Markov chainer on the list? If so, you  have  some
> more
> > work to do...
>
>
> It would  explain the resolute  & total failure of our efforts to
>  explain top-quoting to him. Er, to  it.
>
> --
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Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

[Santo Nucifora via cctalk]

Thanks to Chris, I have given the equipment a new home. Pics have been
taken of the two NeXT Cube boards in question and pics of the motherboard,
for good measure.  I've made a post on the NeXT computer forum here for
those who may be interested:
http://www.nextcomputers.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4027

Thanks,
Santo

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Ed via cctalk 
wrote:

> let  me  put  my name  back in the hat  for  the  cube  next  computer...
> all the other stuff  we have looks  ok  but  appears  like our  cube may
> have met a baseball bat on part of  it
>
> poor thing  would  not  look  good in a   display.
> Ed Sharpe archivist  for SMECC
>
>
> In a message dated 3/10/2017 10:13:29 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
>
> On 9  March 2017 at 01:21, Ian Finder via cctalk 
> wrote:
> > Is someone testing a Markov chainer on the list? If so, you  have some
> more
> > work to do...
>
>
> It would explain the resolute  & total failure of our efforts to
> explain top-quoting to him. Er, to  it.
>
> --
> Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven
> Email:  lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus:  lpro...@gmail.com
> Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven •  Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven
> UK: +44 7939-087884 •  ČR/WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal: +420 702 829 053
>

Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

[Ed via cctalk]

let  me  put  my name  back in the hat  for  the  cube  next  computer...
all the other stuff  we have looks  ok  but  appears  like our  cube may 
have met a baseball bat on part of  it
 
poor thing  would  not  look  good in a   display.
Ed Sharpe archivist  for SMECC
 
 
In a message dated 3/10/2017 10:13:29 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

On 9  March 2017 at 01:21, Ian Finder via cctalk   
wrote:
> Is someone testing a Markov chainer on the list? If so, you  have some 
more
> work to do...


It would explain the resolute  & total failure of our efforts to
explain top-quoting to him. Er, to  it.

-- 
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Email:  lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus:  lpro...@gmail.com
Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven •  Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven
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Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

[Liam Proven via cctalk]

On 9 March 2017 at 01:21, Ian Finder via cctalk  wrote:
> Is someone testing a Markov chainer on the list? If so, you have some more
> work to do...


It would explain the resolute & total failure of our efforts to
explain top-quoting to him. Er, to it.

-- 
Liam Proven • Profile: https://about.me/liamproven
Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com
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Re: NeXT in Toronto/Canada - was Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

[Mouse via cctalk]

> I'm also a Cube owner in Toronto.  Maybe we should start a local
> collector's / user's group :D

> Any others care to speak up?

I'm in Ottawa.  I've got a - very small! - collection of NeXT hardware.
A slab or two, at least one megapixel display (the 2bpp greyscale
kind), some small number of keyboards, a mouse or two, that's probably
about it.  I gave away my Cube years back.

I've been tempted to get rid of them, but feel sentimental enough about
having developed MouseX that I've so far avoided doing so.  Also, I've
been holding out the (admittedly slight) hope that hardware
documentation will surface for the interesting hardware; I do not run
closed-source software, so that's important to me.

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Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

[Ian Finder via cctalk]

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 15:50 Ed wrote:

> we may  some parts pieces  maybe  when  we stage  our  next cube...
>
> who knows  might pop up and  work  by it self..
>
> let me know what you are not  going to  used there.
> thx  Ed#
> _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)


Is someone testing a Markov chainer on the list? If so, you have some more
work to do...
-- 
   Ian Finder
   (206) 395-MIPS
   ian.fin...@gmail.com

Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

[Ed via cctalk]

we may  some parts pieces  maybe  when  we stage  our  next cube...
 
who knows  might pop up and  work  by it self..
 
let me know what you are not  going to  used there.
thx  Ed#
_www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)  
 
 
 
In a message dated 3/8/2017 2:07:11 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

Hi  Mark,

Works for me or I can post.  I am "snuci" on  http://www.nextcomputers.org
and have been a member for a little  while.  I have a couple of NeXTs
already including only one that I've  put on my site at
http://vintagecomputer.ca/next-dimension-cube-turbo   One of these will go
to a friend who has a small collection and is new to  NeXT so we'll have
another potential member soon :)  For the record,  that blog post is old.  I
have the Cube working with dual monitors and  have no issues with that one
at all.

Santo



On Wed,  Mar 8, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Tapley, Mark   wrote:

> On Mar 8, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Santo Nucifora  
> wrote:
>
> > Hi  Mark,
> >
> > I have reached out to Chris (I am local) and  will providing a new home
> for the lot.  I will be happy to take  hi-res pics of the board when I get
> them over the weekend.
>  >
> > Santo
>
> Santo,
>   that’s great! Wonderful to hear they are going to a good  home.
> I will try to pass on the  photos to
>
> http://www.nextcomputers.org
>
>   if that’s OK with you, or you can do so directly.  That seems to be
> one of the biggest active repositories of NeXT  information.
> If you want to get them  running, there is also a lot of useful
> information in the forum area  on the same site, including pretty detailed
> steps on how to implement  a SCSI2SD or other hard drives. Some of that 
may
> be helpful with the  cube as well.
>  -  Mark
>
>

Re: NeXT in Toronto/Canada - was Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

[ben via cctalk]

On 3/8/2017 2:16 PM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote:

On 2017-03-08 4:07 PM, Santo Nucifora via cctalk wrote:

Hi Mark,

Works for me or I can post.  I am "snuci" on http://www.nextcomputers.org
and have been a member for a little while.  I have a couple of NeXTs
already including only one that I've put on my site at


Hi Santo

I'm also a Cube owner in Toronto. Maybe we should start a local
collector's / user's group :D

Any others care to speak up?

--Toby


APPLE of the BORG ... All CUBES are US.  :)
Ben.

NeXT in Toronto/Canada - was Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

[Toby Thain via cctalk]

On 2017-03-08 4:07 PM, Santo Nucifora via cctalk wrote:

Hi Mark,

Works for me or I can post.  I am "snuci" on http://www.nextcomputers.org
and have been a member for a little while.  I have a couple of NeXTs
already including only one that I've put on my site at


Hi Santo

I'm also a Cube owner in Toronto. Maybe we should start a local 
collector's / user's group :D


Any others care to speak up?

--Toby



http://vintagecomputer.ca/next-dimension-cube-turbo  One of these will go
to a friend who has a small collection and is new to NeXT so we'll have
another potential member soon :)  For the record, that blog post is old.  I
have the Cube working with dual monitors and have no issues with that one
at all.

Santo

Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

[Santo Nucifora via cctalk]

Hi Mark,

Works for me or I can post.  I am "snuci" on http://www.nextcomputers.org
and have been a member for a little while.  I have a couple of NeXTs
already including only one that I've put on my site at
http://vintagecomputer.ca/next-dimension-cube-turbo  One of these will go
to a friend who has a small collection and is new to NeXT so we'll have
another potential member soon :)  For the record, that blog post is old.  I
have the Cube working with dual monitors and have no issues with that one
at all.

Santo



On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Tapley, Mark  wrote:

> On Mar 8, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Santo Nucifora 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > I have reached out to Chris (I am local) and will providing a new home
> for the lot.  I will be happy to take hi-res pics of the board when I get
> them over the weekend.
> >
> > Santo
>
> Santo,
> that’s great! Wonderful to hear they are going to a good home.
> I will try to pass on the photos to
>
> http://www.nextcomputers.org
>
> if that’s OK with you, or you can do so directly. That seems to be
> one of the biggest active repositories of NeXT information.
> If you want to get them running, there is also a lot of useful
> information in the forum area on the same site, including pretty detailed
> steps on how to implement a SCSI2SD or other hard drives. Some of that may
> be helpful with the cube as well.
> - Mark
>
>

Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

[Tapley, Mark via cctalk]

On Mar 8, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Santo Nucifora  wrote:

> Hi Mark,
> 
> I have reached out to Chris (I am local) and will providing a new home for 
> the lot.  I will be happy to take hi-res pics of the board when I get them 
> over the weekend. 
> 
> Santo
 
Santo,
that’s great! Wonderful to hear they are going to a good home. 
I will try to pass on the photos to 

http://www.nextcomputers.org

if that’s OK with you, or you can do so directly. That seems to be one 
of the biggest active repositories of NeXT information.
If you want to get them running, there is also a lot of useful 
information in the forum area on the same site, including pretty detailed steps 
on how to implement a SCSI2SD or other hard drives. Some of that may be helpful 
with the cube as well.
- Mark

Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

[Santo Nucifora via cctalk]

Hi Mark,

I have reached out to Chris (I am local) and will providing a new home for
the lot.  I will be happy to take hi-res pics of the board when I get them
over the weekend.

Santo

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Tapley, Mark via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On Mar 8, 2017, at 1:09 PM,   wrote:
>
> > It's been a long time since I had the Cube open so this is from memory.
> However, I'm reasonably sure that this was based off a NeXT card (whose
> name escapes me) that was half bus interface and half prototype board so
> that you could build one-off interfaces.  I originally bought the Cube as
> surplus from the University of Waterloo, so I'm guessing that it's an
> interface to some piece of lab equipment.
> >
> > Here's a slightly blurry picture of the Cube's back:
> >
> >https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Sme9n3mG2UYUxuVWZ2eXhfS2M/view
> >
> > The Mystery Board occupies the leftmost slot (IIRC).
>
> Now that is interesting! I concur completely, this does not look
> anything like my NeXTDimension. But it looks from the outside as though you
> have not one but two boards on the left side. My cube originally had only
> the board on the right of your picture (and in that same location). Unless
> there are internal connections between the two slots on the left side, you
> may have two Mystery Boards.
>
> Very neat! I hope we get to hear more about this system eventually.
> - Mark
>
>

Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

[Tapley, Mark via cctalk]

On Mar 8, 2017, at 1:09 PM,   wrote:

> It's been a long time since I had the Cube open so this is from memory.  
> However, I'm reasonably sure that this was based off a NeXT card (whose name 
> escapes me) that was half bus interface and half prototype board so that you 
> could build one-off interfaces.  I originally bought the Cube as surplus from 
> the University of Waterloo, so I'm guessing that it's an interface to some 
> piece of lab equipment.
> 
> Here's a slightly blurry picture of the Cube's back:
> 
>https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Sme9n3mG2UYUxuVWZ2eXhfS2M/view
> 
> The Mystery Board occupies the leftmost slot (IIRC).

Now that is interesting! I concur completely, this does not look 
anything like my NeXTDimension. But it looks from the outside as though you 
have not one but two boards on the left side. My cube originally had only the 
board on the right of your picture (and in that same location). Unless there 
are internal connections between the two slots on the left side, you may have 
two Mystery Boards. 

Very neat! I hope we get to hear more about this system eventually.
- Mark

Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

[Chris Reuter via cctalk]

On 2017-03-08 11:06, Tapley, Mark wrote:

On Mar 7, 2017, at 10:10 PM, Chris Reuter via cctalk
<cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:



I have some NeXT hardware that I'm looking to re-home.  Items include:

   1 NeXT cube with an unknown expansion card


One reasonable candidate would be a NeXTDimension video card.


It's been a long time since I had the Cube open so this is from memory.  
However, I'm reasonably sure that this was based off a NeXT card (whose 
name escapes me) that was half bus interface and half prototype board so 
that you could build one-off interfaces.  I originally bought the Cube 
as surplus from the University of Waterloo, so I'm guessing that it's an 
interface to some piece of lab equipment.


Here's a slightly blurry picture of the Cube's back:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Sme9n3mG2UYUxuVWZ2eXhfS2M/view

The Mystery Board occupies the leftmost slot (IIRC).


  --Chris

Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

[Tapley, Mark via cctalk]

On Mar 7, 2017, at 10:10 PM, Chris Reuter via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> 
wrote:

> 
> I have some NeXT hardware that I'm looking to re-home.  Items include:
> 
>1 NeXT cube with an unknown expansion card

One reasonable candidate would be a NeXTDimension video card. Connectors on 
mine, from the top:

1) DE-9
2) DIN
3) RCA
4) DIN
5) RCA
6) RCA

(large space)

7) video, with coax imbedded among other connectors in a D shell - 13W3, I 
think.

If true, this is a reasonably valuable card. However it would make sense for 
there to be a color monitor (Sun or NeXT or similar) somewhere nearby if that’s 
what this is.

>2 Mice, 3 keyboards, various cables, SCSI drives, odds and ends.

Those all look to me like the original non-ADB keyboards and mice

> The monitors both worked when I last tried them.  One had succumbed to
> the dimness problem but the other was still bright, if blurry.
> Presumably, you could swap CRTs and have one like-new NeXT monochrome
> monitor.

“Blurry”, in my experience, often clears up after 12-24 hours of running. It 
may be worthwhile to power it up and leave it that way for a day or so to see 
whether this works for you as well.

I truly hope someone saves these! 

Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware

[Chris Reuter via cctalk]

I have some NeXT hardware that I'm looking to re-home.  Items include:

1 NeXT cube with an unknown expansion card
2 Monochrome monitors
2 NeXTStation "slab" workstations, non-functional
Boxed NeXTStep installation media with manuals (may not be complete)
2 Mice, 3 keyboards, various cables, SCSI drives, odds and ends.

(Picture at 
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Sme9n3mG2USjNJa3BaSVFJekk/view>;

the fruit is not included.)

I'm located in Toronto; preference will be given to anyone who is
willing to come here and haul it away.  I *may* be willing to ship it
somewhere, but if so, you're paying for it and it can't cause me a lot
of hassle.

Everything is believed to work unless marked otherwise; however, it's
been years since I powered up any of these so I can't promise
anything.

The monitors both worked when I last tried them.  One had succumbed to
the dimness problem but the other was still bright, if blurry.
Presumably, you could swap CRTs and have one like-new NeXT monochrome
monitor.

One of the two slabs would get partway through its boot sequence
before hanging so it might be easily fixable.  The other one was
stripped for parts before I got it.  The Cube worked the last time I
tried it.  I did, however, try to add a second drive, which didn't
work.  This may have screwed up the SCSI termination.

My preferred contact email is <ch...@blit.ca>.


  --Chris

--
Chris Reuter http://www.blit.ca
"I used to be able to count to 1023 on my fingers in two minutes, but 
then I

 got better."
   --Eb Oesch, <903f6dfe.0303242039.1f9e6...@posting.google.com>