Re: RL02 packs available [Was: Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?]
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 03:24:28PM -0500, Matt Patoray wrote: > Hello, > > I would be interested in a few RL-02 packs with DDXP or RT-11 on them. Any > idea what you would want for them? Not really :) A bit of patience is necessary though. I don't know if the RL drives I have access to is working. But seeing that at least two persons care I'll bump it up the TODO-list. /P > > Matt > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:38 AM, Pontus Pihlgren > wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 05:51:06PM -0700, Mark J. Blair wrote: > > > > > > I’m especially interested in accumulating good RL02 packs. I’m even > > > working on a project to add a USB interface to one of my RL02 drives > > > for imaging and writing packs. > > > > > > > I have more RL01 and RL02 packs than I need, some still in original > > packaging. > > > > If you are seriously interested I could muster up the energy to test > > them and put them in the mail. > > > > /P > > > > > > -- > Matt Patoray > Owner, MSP Productions > KD8AMG
Re: RL02 packs available [Was: Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?]
Hello, I would be interested in a few RL-02 packs with DDXP or RT-11 on them. Any idea what you would want for them? Matt On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:38 AM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 05:51:06PM -0700, Mark J. Blair wrote: > > > > I’m especially interested in accumulating good RL02 packs. I’m even > > working on a project to add a USB interface to one of my RL02 drives > > for imaging and writing packs. > > > > I have more RL01 and RL02 packs than I need, some still in original > packaging. > > If you are seriously interested I could muster up the energy to test > them and put them in the mail. > > /P > -- Matt Patoray Owner, MSP Productions KD8AMG
Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?
Hi, I search some time for TK50/TK70 media for my MVII, and 3600 so I'm Interested. By now I have the need for the following tapes, if you have them. biggest need>>> - MVII DIAG MAINT TK50 >>> - MVII DIAG CUST TK50 - VMS V5.5-1 BIN TK50 - VMX XYZ BIN TK50 xx/nn - VMS LIC KEY BIN TK50 - MICROVMS xyz BIN TK50 - DEC TCP/IP SER VMS xyz TK50 And any other MVII or Microvax 3600 TK70 related Tape ;-). I know, that there is only a 50% chance, that they are still readable, but with view onto my QIC and other old media, it looks like I have some luck, in using old tape media. Many Greetings Ulrich
Re: RL02 packs available [Was: Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?]
> On Oct 20, 2016, at 00:09, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > > My packs come from a PDP-11/34 system. So there are some XXDP and RT-11 > packs. I look to image them before I ship them off. I have an XXDP 2.5 pack, but I don't think I have any with RT-11 on them. One or two RT-11 packs could be useful to help me get bootstrapped. No hurry, though. It'll still be quite a while before my PDP-11/44 project bubbles to the top. If anybody listening has RL02 packs with installation stuff suitable for my VAX-11/730, that would really interest me. -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X http://www.nf6x.net/
Re: RL02 packs available [Was: Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?]
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:04:40AM -0700, Mark J. Blair wrote: > > I have a small pile of packs, some of which look unused. I keep my > eyes open for more, since I don’t know it I have more than I need yet. > :) > > Do any of your extra RL02 packs have potentially interesting contents, > such as software that might be useful for my VAX-11/730 or my future > PDP-11/44 restoration? My packs come from a PDP-11/34 system. So there are some XXDP and RT-11 packs. I look to image them before I ship them off. /P
Re: RL02 packs available [Was: Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?]
> On Oct 19, 2016, at 11:38 PM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 05:51:06PM -0700, Mark J. Blair wrote: >> >> I’m especially interested in accumulating good RL02 packs. I’m even >> working on a project to add a USB interface to one of my RL02 drives >> for imaging and writing packs. >> > > I have more RL01 and RL02 packs than I need, some still in original > packaging. > > If you are seriously interested I could muster up the energy to test > them and put them in the mail. I have a small pile of packs, some of which look unused. I keep my eyes open for more, since I don’t know it I have more than I need yet. :) Do any of your extra RL02 packs have potentially interesting contents, such as software that might be useful for my VAX-11/730 or my future PDP-11/44 restoration? -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X http://www.nf6x.net/
RL02 packs available [Was: Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?]
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 05:51:06PM -0700, Mark J. Blair wrote: > > I’m especially interested in accumulating good RL02 packs. I’m even > working on a project to add a USB interface to one of my RL02 drives > for imaging and writing packs. > I have more RL01 and RL02 packs than I need, some still in original packaging. If you are seriously interested I could muster up the energy to test them and put them in the mail. /P
Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?
> On Oct 19, 2016, at 5:04 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: > >> ... but I would have thought >> either TU58 or 9-track would have been a more likely software delivery >> mechanism for a VAX-11/730 back in the day. > > Indeed (or RL02... that was a valid distribution medium choice, > especially since most of the 11/730s had an RL02 on top not a magtape > drive. I’m especially interested in accumulating good RL02 packs. I’m even working on a project to add a USB interface to one of my RL02 drives for imaging and writing packs. -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X http://www.nf6x.net/
Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Antonio Carlini wrote: > On 19/10/16 01:18, Mark J. Blair wrote: >> If any of those tapes are relevant to my VAX-11/730, then they might >> interest me. >> > I know that there was a Unibus TK50 interface TUK50 - M7547. Very rare (not many people really wanted to read or write TK50 tapes when they could so easily use 9-track from a Unibus machine). > ... but I would have thought > either TU58 or 9-track would have been a more likely software delivery > mechanism for a VAX-11/730 back in the day. Indeed (or RL02... that was a valid distribution medium choice, especially since most of the 11/730s had an RL02 on top not a magtape drive. -ethan
Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?
I've long since lost track of the OP for this thread, but I could use a few TK70 scratch tapes. Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?
> On Oct 19, 2016, at 10:25 , Antonio Carlini wrote: > > On 19/10/16 01:18, Mark J. Blair wrote: >> If any of those tapes are relevant to my VAX-11/730, then they might >> interest me. >> > I know that there was a Unibus TK50 interface but I would have thought either > TU58 or 9-track would have been a more likely software delivery mechanism > for a VAX-11/730 back in the day. I would much rather use either emulated TU58 or real 9-track for installation. I think I would need to boot from TU58 in any case. But I don't have any 9-track installation media, and I've had no luck yet getting real TU58 tapes working. I would certainly be interested in getting my hands on probably-good TU58 and 9-track installation media relevant to my 11/730. I'm only expressing interest in the TK50 media (which I've also had poor luck with) because I haven't tripped over better options yet. -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X http://www.nf6x.net/
Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?
On 10/19/16 10:29 AM, Antonio Carlini wrote: > On 19/10/16 08:46, Mark Wickens wrote: >> >From a preservation perspective the best option would be to list the tape >> labels. I have a friend with an extensive backup collection not yet on >> bitsavers who could identify if anything I'd unique. You might find there >> are only a couple not yet archived. >> >> Thanks Mark >> > > I looked under /bits/DEC but I don't see a lot . Is there a stash I'm not > seeing? > I have been hesitant to put much VMS software up since it was (is) still a supported product. I don't know if the situation has changed for VAX VMS. There are other sites that have put tapes up, though.
Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?
I have the following 12 TK50 tape cartridges with original DEC labels on them: AQ-FP13C-BN MICROVMS V4.4 FULL BIN TK50 (2 copies) AQ-FY80B-BN MICROVMS V4.4 BIN TK50 MANDATORY UPDATE (2 copies) AQ-FP15C-BN MICROVMS V4.4 NET END/N TK50 AQ-JP22F-BE VMS V5.4 BIN TK50 1/2 AQ-LC99C-BE VMS V5.4 BIN TK50 2/2 AQ-NJ58B-BE VMS V5.4 BIN TK50 WARRANTY MANDATORY UPDATE AQ-LX08H-BE VMS V5.4-1 BIN TK50 AW-FT37D-BN MICROVMS/WS V3.1 BIN TK50 AQ-FP58A-BN MICROVMS LIC KEY TK50 1-8 AQ-FP86C-BN VAX FORTRAN V4.4 BIN TK50 FORT044 FORT Are there already images of these tapes archived somewhere available on the net? I wouldn't mind having images of these tapes but don't really want to try to read them myself, if they are still currently readable.
Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?
On 19/10/16 08:46, Mark Wickens wrote: >From a preservation perspective the best option would be to list the tape labels. I have a friend with an extensive backup collection not yet on bitsavers who could identify if anything I'd unique. You might find there are only a couple not yet archived. Thanks Mark I looked under /bits/DEC but I don't see a lot . Is there a stash I'm not seeing? I suppose I should get around to archiving my TK50s. Is there a standard way of doing this and what metadata should one record? Antonio -- Antonio Carlini arcarl...@iee.org
Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?
On 19/10/16 01:18, Mark J. Blair wrote: If any of those tapes are relevant to my VAX-11/730, then they might interest me. I know that there was a Unibus TK50 interface but I would have thought either TU58 or 9-track would have been a more likely software delivery mechanism for a VAX-11/730 back in the day. Antonio -- Antonio Carlini arcarl...@iee.org
Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?
On 18/10/16 16:38, Adrian Graham wrote: Hi Thomas, Have you got an install media set for VAX Dibol 4.2? Someone here was looking for a copy a few weeks ago. Wasn't it ALL-IN-1? Antonio -- Antonio Carlini arcarl...@iee.org
Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?
On 18/10/16 16:32, Thomas Dzubin wrote: But, I also have two big rubbermade containers (about half a cubic meter) filled with TK50 and TK70 tapes which I have never used. Some are blank, some are the boot & install media for VMS 5.5, some are software installations, etc. etc. In the past 25 years that I have had them, I have not once ever used my TK50 or TK70 drives...I've always either booted off the attached disks or netbooted. I don't use TK50 tapes very often, but when I do, it's either to boot a VAX from cold (and install VMS) or to make a standalone backup. As for the value of the tapes, I've no idea about monetary value, but - in my view - they are part of the culture associated with the machines. I probably wouldn't use TK50 to install software as I already have it on CD and can set up an infoserver on the home network if needed, but back in the day there were plenty of machines which had no easy way to talk to a CD-ROM. When I worked in DEC that wasn't an issue, again because there were infoservers around. When I was a customer, tapes were the only viable option for a few of the machines (and for one it had to be 9-track tapes). I expect that you'll get a few offers to take the carts off your hands. Antonio -- Antonio Carlini arcarl...@iee.org
Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?
If any of those tapes are relevant to my VAX-11/730, then they might interest me. -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X http://www.nf6x.net/
Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?
>From a preservation perspective the best option would be to list the tape labels. I have a friend with an extensive backup collection not yet on bitsavers who could identify if anything I'd unique. You might find there are only a couple not yet archived. Thanks Mark On 19 Oct 2016 01:48, "Adrian Stoness" wrote: > Don't store ur tapes in a damp basement will help with sticky shed > syndrom... Keep em dry a food dehydrator helps... > > On Oct 18, 2016 7:46 PM, "Al Kossow" wrote: > > > > On 10/18/16 5:37 PM, Steven M Jones wrote: > > > I think they're useful to folks who have drives that can use them, and > > they aren't nearly as fragile as QIC or helical scan drives (4mm, 8mm) > > of a similar age. > > > > The drives, maybe, but the tape sheds like nuts. >
Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?
Don't store ur tapes in a damp basement will help with sticky shed syndrom... Keep em dry a food dehydrator helps... On Oct 18, 2016 7:46 PM, "Al Kossow" wrote: On 10/18/16 5:37 PM, Steven M Jones wrote: > I think they're useful to folks who have drives that can use them, and > they aren't nearly as fragile as QIC or helical scan drives (4mm, 8mm) > of a similar age. > The drives, maybe, but the tape sheds like nuts.
Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?
On 10/18/16 5:37 PM, Steven M Jones wrote: > I think they're useful to folks who have drives that can use them, and > they aren't nearly as fragile as QIC or helical scan drives (4mm, 8mm) > of a similar age. > The drives, maybe, but the tape sheds like nuts.
Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?
On 10/18/2016 08:32, Thomas Dzubin wrote: > > But, I also have two big rubbermade containers (about half a cubic > meter) filled with TK50 and TK70 tapes which I have never used. > > In the past 25 years that I have had them, I have not once ever used > my TK50 or TK70 drives...I've always either booted off the attached > disks or netbooted. Nothing wrong if that's what's worked for you. Glad to hear you've used and enjoyed the machines. > Should I just throw these things out? Do any collectors consider them > to be valuable? Since it's now 2016 and I think the last TK tapes were > made in the 1990s, I'm getting the urge to toss them. > > Opinions? Comments? I think it would be a shame to just thrown them out, though ultimately it's your call. I don't know if anybody considers them "valuable," if you mean "can I make some sweet cash selling them on eBay?" Which doesn't mean you couldn't sell them on eBay, I just wouldn't expect much from it. I think they're useful to folks who have drives that can use them, and they aren't nearly as fragile as QIC or helical scan drives (4mm, 8mm) of a similar age. If you're amenable, perhaps somebody within BC might be interested in them and willing to pick them up? I would, if I were close to one of the cities you listed... --S.
Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?
Thomas, I could use a few TK50 tapes, especialy it it has install for VMS! I am currently looking for a Microvax II system :-) Thanks! --barrym On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 2:05 PM, william degnan wrote: > On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Thomas Dzubin wrote: > > > > > OK, I have a fairly large collection of VAX 4000 and VAXStation 3000 > > systems which I have fun with and use with both OpenVMS and OpenBSD > > over the years > > > > But, I also have two big rubbermade containers (about half a cubic > > meter) filled with TK50 and TK70 tapes which I have never used. > > > > Some are blank, some are the boot & install media for VMS 5.5, some are > > software installations, etc. etc. > > > > In the past 25 years that I have had them, I have not once ever used > > my TK50 or TK70 drives...I've always either booted off the attached > > disks or netbooted. > > > > Should I just throw these things out? Do any collectors consider them > > to be valuable? Since it's now 2016 and I think the last TK tapes were > > made in the 1990s, I'm getting the urge to toss them. > > > > Opinions? Comments? > > > > > > > Good question, there are those capstans that may not hold their shape, > ruining the tapes. I have a box of RK05s, one has VMS 4.6 label, no idea > if it works. But there it is. > b >
Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Thomas Dzubin wrote: > > OK, I have a fairly large collection of VAX 4000 and VAXStation 3000 > systems which I have fun with and use with both OpenVMS and OpenBSD > over the years > > But, I also have two big rubbermade containers (about half a cubic > meter) filled with TK50 and TK70 tapes which I have never used. > > Some are blank, some are the boot & install media for VMS 5.5, some are > software installations, etc. etc. > > In the past 25 years that I have had them, I have not once ever used > my TK50 or TK70 drives...I've always either booted off the attached > disks or netbooted. > > Should I just throw these things out? Do any collectors consider them > to be valuable? Since it's now 2016 and I think the last TK tapes were > made in the 1990s, I'm getting the urge to toss them. > > Opinions? Comments? > > > Good question, there are those capstans that may not hold their shape, ruining the tapes. I have a box of RK05s, one has VMS 4.6 label, no idea if it works. But there it is. b
RE: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Adrian > Graham > Sent: 18 October 2016 16:38 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto? > > On 18 October 2016 at 16:32, Thomas Dzubin wrote: > > > Some are blank, some are the boot & install media for VMS 5.5, some > > are software installations, etc. etc. > > > > Hi Thomas, > > Have you got an install media set for VAX Dibol 4.2? Someone here was > looking for a copy a few weeks ago. > I realise it is a big task to ask you to do, but if you could inventory the tapes it would really help. Regards Rob
Re: Are DEC TK50/TK70 tapes worth hanging onto?
On 18 October 2016 at 16:32, Thomas Dzubin wrote: > Some are blank, some are the boot & install media for VMS 5.5, some are > software installations, etc. etc. > Hi Thomas, Have you got an install media set for VAX Dibol 4.2? Someone here was looking for a copy a few weeks ago. -- adrian/witchy Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest home computer collection? www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk
