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Wish you would have told me. There are several that I could have told you where to find. Cindy On 7/20/19 7:54 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote: Sigh. I searched for retro and vintage computer shops in Dallas as I was there the last two weeks. This place I think did come up but with no real pictures or info I couldn't tell if it was legit. Oh well. Maybe I'll make my way back before they close if they open doors for looking around. I went to Perot museum looking for their vintage computers but didn't see any and I think most staff members are too young to remember the museum having any. (bust). However the national gaming museum wasn't bad. Smallish but they did a great job having systems up and running for folks to touch and play on. Kudos to them for supporting the interactive experience.
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
Sigh. I searched for retro and vintage computer shops in Dallas as I was there the last two weeks. This place I think did come up but with no real pictures or info I couldn't tell if it was legit. Oh well. Maybe I'll make my way back before they close if they open doors for looking around. I went to Perot museum looking for their vintage computers but didn't see any and I think most staff members are too young to remember the museum having any. (bust). However the national gaming museum wasn't bad. Smallish but they did a great job having systems up and running for folks to touch and play on. Kudos to them for supporting the interactive experience.
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> Well, good for you. Was this not aimed at me? "My impression is that you don't grasp the size of the place and the amount of stuff." I do. Know you know - but lose the attitude, please. > So what's the problem? Is there anything in there even _worth_ > stealing that non-specialists would recognise? Scrap. Good old-timey pre-2000 ewaste. > They're around anyway. It happens. It happens more when the goods are advertised - like a Youtube video. I bet a lot of gold bugs saw the LGR video in their suggestion feed that otherwise would not know about it. > I suspect if a ram-raider filled a pantechnicon there and drove off, > it wouldn't make a 0.1% dent. Oh boy...you might not know how these guys can work. Go back and read one of my posts in this thread. 10 guys, 12 hours, every bit of scrap gone... Anyway, I'm out. I have things to do, like deal with my own pile of stuff. -- Will
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On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 1:25 AM William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: > Oh, I did not mention how some of those misfits can throw their own > wrenches in the works. Piss one of them off and he calls the Fire > Marshall. Some dick did that when I was cleaning out Compass so many > years ago (if you remember the Compass Teletype cleanout in NJ, you > have been on this list too long!), and delayed things for a couple of > weeks. I definitely remember the Compass Teletype cleanout. I've been restoring Model 15s for a couple of years now (not mine - with a friend who's a re-enactor) and there are some parts I'm wishing I had now. -ethan
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On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 14:41, Ethan O'Toole wrote: > > > This LGR guy took 15 min to get to the point. Any point. And his > > channel doesn't even explain what "LGR" stands for. > > LGR is short for Lazy Game Reviews. His channel used to be reviews of old > MS-DOS games or something. Random dude in NC, and slowly a following built > of his videos. Yup, I found that by looking at his other profiles, but it's an example of the sort of attention to detail I find typical in video-bloggers. Which is why I don't follow any. > Agreed! It's cool that younger generation is finding some of the older > stuff interesting. I would have thought it would have ended at emulation. > The fact that people are doing 386 and 486 computer builds now is strange > to me, I'm not going to lie. But we all have our funky hobbies. Agreed on all counts. > I think I recently sold a luggable computer on eBay to one of them. It > worked 100% when I shipped it but arrived "broken." I'm still wondering > if the guy damaged the CPU card (PICMG) in order to refund once he > realized the keyboard was something he wasn't after. Cost me $100+ in > shipping all lost. :-( -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053
Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA)
This LGR guy took 15 min to get to the point. Any point. And his channel doesn't even explain what "LGR" stands for. LGR is short for Lazy Game Reviews. His channel used to be reviews of old MS-DOS games or something. Random dude in NC, and slowly a following built of his videos. A co-worker of mine some 5 years ago would watch those and Computer Chronicles, so he was the first place I heard about LGR videos. He produces two videos a week I think. As far as I know, it's his livelyhood as the youtube following built that big. A friend actually went thrifting with him a few weeks ago. The same friend I believe is headed to TX to visit the Reset place in a week or two -- mainly looking for stuff for his museum which is tied to another guys museum from this community. Bear in mind though that retrocomputing is a *huge* and growing hobby these days. It's big, lively, international, and fun. I've been on ClassicCmp for about 15-20 years now, I think, and I've watched it go from a niche to a big thing. This delights me. More news is good news. Agreed! It's cool that younger generation is finding some of the older stuff interesting. I would have thought it would have ended at emulation. The fact that people are doing 386 and 486 computer builds now is strange to me, I'm not going to lie. But we all have our funky hobbies. I don't like keyboard collectors who butcher machines. I don't see much point in gutting PCs to put Raspberry Pis or PC motherboards in them. I think I recently sold a luggable computer on eBay to one of them. It worked 100% when I shipped it but arrived "broken." I'm still wondering if the guy damaged the CPU card (PICMG) in order to refund once he realized the keyboard was something he wasn't after. Cost me $100+ in shipping all lost. -- : Ethan O'Toole
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On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 13:52, William Donzelli wrote: > > Cleanouts like this are a big part of my business. CR is by no means > small, but is also not that big. The last big place I was in - well, > the entire CR space would have been part of one of the floors of the > building. One of six floors and basement. And some outbuildings. Well, good for you. I'm on another continent and this is I think the biggest single retrocomputing salvage operation I've ever heard of in my life. *And* it's in a good cause. My impression is that Jason & his team have a pretty good idea what they're doing and they've already banned some scalpers. So what's the problem? Is there anything in there even _worth_ stealing that non-specialists would recognise? >That > was Radio Research (now gone - and it was not vintage computers, but > other vintage tech). Well there you go then. That would have been of no interest to me. The LGR guy seemed really happy to have stuff I'd consider mundane and boring: PC DOS 4, OS/2 1.0 and 2.0, Windows 3, WfWg 3.11. I have all of those except OS/2 1.0 and that's only because I don't really want it. Mine are leftovers from when they were new; I worked with the sutff. To Clint here it's an exciting glimpse of history. > > What's your beef? > > Too much exposure can bring out the creeps and crooks. They're around anyway. It happens. I suspect if a ram-raider filled a pantechnicon there and drove off, it wouldn't make a 0.1% dent. -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053
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> My impression is that you don't grasp the size of the place and the > amount of stuff. This is great coverage. Cleanouts like this are a big part of my business. CR is by no means small, but is also not that big. The last big place I was in - well, the entire CR space would have been part of one of the floors of the building. One of six floors and basement. And some outbuildings. That was Radio Research (now gone - and it was not vintage computers, but other vintage tech). > What's your beef? Too much exposure can bring out the creeps and crooks. -- Will
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On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 15:00, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: > > Well, I think he kind of created a shitstorm and gave CR a little too > much exposure. The CR liquidation seems to have been going at a nice > controlled rate. Now that the whole world knows, it would not be a > surprise if security issues come up. > > Basically, he should have released the video after CR had been pretty > cleared out and closed. He should have realized the consequences of > his video. > > This is why when I get into a place like this, I am very picky about > who I let it, and in no way allow videos to be made and published on > Youtube, even on my own channel. I've been trying to get exposure for CR for a couple of months now. I've covered why to Guy D. in another reply. I am on another continent, with a small apartment already too full of old computers, and a baby due in a couple of months. I have never been there, can't get there, and almost certainly never will. But I've been talking to Justin about this, reading the delighted stories of people who've been mining there, and I'm delighted by this coverage. I will be re-sharing this video. My impression is that you don't grasp the size of the place and the amount of stuff. This is great coverage. Quite gatekeeping. This is not a free-for-all, but it's trying to make some money for the owner in his dotage. Exposure is good. Coverage is good. 10,000 collectors could visit this place and they won't empty it. 100,000 might begin to. What's your beef? -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053
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On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 06:37, Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote: > > At 10:14 PM 16/07/2019 -0700, Al Kossow wrote: > >> Exploring a MASSIVE Retro Computer Warehouse! > > > >old news, dredged up again because of a youtube jackass > > > Ah yes, now I see there was exactly one previous mention a month ago on > 2019-06-12 > https://marc.info/?l=classiccmp=156035869326953=2 > or > http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/2019-June/048024.html Yep. That was me. It was intentional. This is a sort of rescue operation -- both trying to rescue some vintage kit for the hobbyist community, _and_ trying to raise xsome money for the care of the owner and his wife. The family don't know anything about their dad's business or retrocomputing and we just going to send it all to recycling, making pennies on the ton and not raising enough to really help. They had no idea that this was for many people a treasure-trove and could realise enough money to keep the business owner and his wife in comfort, financial safety and (this being the USA) healthcare for whatever remaining lifespan they've got. I've done what I can to promote it on FB in ½ dozen retrocomputing groups, on Twitter, and on ClassicCmp. This is good stuff, organised by volunteers, trying to save a lot of kit from recycling and a family from penury. I don't like Youtube much. I am not interested in retrogaming. I don't follow podcasts or videos. They take too long. I'm a speedreader and a writer and the vague unstructured blethering on of most Youtubers and podcasters drives me to distraction. This LGR guy took 15 min to get to the point. Any point. And his channel doesn't even explain what "LGR" stands for. Can't stand such stuff. But this is great coverage and I am glad it's happened. > Were there other discussions perhaps, that didn't mention the shop name? I think it's come up, yes. Bear in mind though that retrocomputing is a *huge* and growing hobby these days. It's big, lively, international, and fun. I've been on ClassicCmp for about 15-20 years now, I think, and I've watched it go from a niche to a big thing. This delights me. More news is good news. I don't like keyboard collectors who butcher machines. I don't see much point in gutting PCs to put Raspberry Pis or PC motherboards in them. This guy's into stuff I consider as plastic junk like eMachines, but again, if it keeps it out of recycling, that's good. But that's what some people do, so hey, whatever. It all keeps the field ticking over. With any luck, some Youtubers will volunteer and help out. That's good too. So I don't understand the complaint, here, really. Isn't it just what the kids call "gatekeeping?" -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053
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My net service dropped out yesterday, hence delayed reply. I did NOT expect that thread to take off. At 10:14 PM 16/07/2019 -0700, Al Kossow wrote: >> Exploring a MASSIVE Retro Computer Warehouse! > >old news, dredged up again because of a youtube jackass Ah yes, now I see there was exactly one previous mention a month ago on 2019-06-12 https://marc.info/?l=classiccmp=156035869326953=2 or http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/2019-June/048024.html Were there other discussions perhaps, that didn't mention the shop name? Anyway maybe some may like to see the jackass's video of the huge collection, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvM82T3C2Ik or perhaps go buy stuff to help out the invalid owners? Btw Al did you have any sources for this? >And YOU didn't live through Crisis Computer's downsizing seeing literally a >large >warehouse of HP hardware getting scrapped. >The fact that anyone 15+ years after that happened is still in business is a >wonder in itself. So that was 15 years ago? Are there any photos online? Just curious. Btw, I have at least three times seen large warehouses full of tech treasure destroyed. It's the standard routine in Australia. Literally. Because for a long time the government charged import duty on everything brought into the country. And there was a regulation that in many cases that duty could be recovered by the importer, if they had the equipment landfilled in the presence of a tax inspector. Ha ha, I spent one Christmas eve stripping the laser optics and electronics out of about 20 laser disk players, that a video arcade company I did contract software for, had imported. Then they discovered the players were unsuitable. So, to the tip with them, to be buried, to recover the tax. Except my employers were informal enough to think that was a waste, and ask me if I wanted to 'modify' the players first. I had one evening to do it. Fortunately also a stack of bricks, to make the units convincingly heavy after gutting them. That tax insanity is now gone. Leaving the depreciation, insurance and tradein insanities in operation. Depreciation: Company book keepers depreciate the value of capital investments, over the operating life of the equipment. They get a yearly tax break for this 'expense.' Once the equipment reaches end of depreciation period, theoretically it is worth zero. At that point the company will have it destroyed. Because to sell it would imply it still has value, and that would cast the bookkeeping proceedures (and the tax benefits) into doubt (according to the accountants.) And they don't want to just give it away, because there are safety and liability issues with that. Insurance: Typically when equipment is damaged and an insurance claim made, the equipment gets destroyed. Because the insurance companies are afraid they might get scammed. So they insist on proof of destruction. Tradein: Because Australia is a small tech-market and virtually everything is imported, companies like HP, Tektronix DEC, etc (their local distributors) hated to see their products get loose into the second hand market. So they offered very significant tradein deals on old stuff. Which they would then generally destroy. Unless their staff made off with it first. For a while I worked around the corner from the HP Sydney office. Dropped in and asked if they had any 2nd hand gear for sale. The engineer who spoke with me in the front office made a show of explaining that all tradeins were destroyed. He was making sure his superiors heard him toeing the company line. Later he offered me a few items via his car boot. All really old, valve stuff, though I did buy a couple. http://everist.org/NobLog/20140324_HP_relics.htm This is why Australia is a desert in regards second hand computing and test equipment. Guy
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> Please do! We have a thing called "The Free Pile" that is actually a > magical (one-way) portal to other peoples' garages, basements and > mom's basements. It can make pretty much anything except printers > disappear. The last few years, we've barely had to clean anything up Depends on the printer. I am constantly "rescuing" (i.e. picking up for free) printers off the side of the road to fix up for my own personal use. If someone has a clean working or just very clean Compaq Pagemarq 20 I am happy to take it off your hand... -Ali
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On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 3:30 PM Ethan Dicks wrote: > Not strictly true - I have taken two CBM printers off the free pile in > the past 6 years. Also guilty. It had an IEEE PET interface, what was I supposed to do??
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On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 3:06 PM Jason T via cctalk wrote: > Please do! We have a thing called "The Free Pile" that is actually a > magical (one-way) portal to other peoples' garages, basements and > mom's basements. It can make pretty much anything except printers > disappear. Not strictly true - I have taken two CBM printers off the free pile in the past 6 years. > The last few years, we've barely had to clean anything up > after the show. That is definitely true. Stuff on the Free Pile definitely gets rehomed. > Or don't do any of that stuff, and just come anyway. Table > registration is open soon (I have the sign-up form on my desktop as I > write this). Yay! -ethan
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On Jul 17, 2019, at 9:39 AM, Daniel Seagraves via cctalk wrote: > This. People on the internet are insane. I have gotten literal death threats > for refusing to sell keyboards. People threatening to find my home address > and do things about my “hoarding”. I should never have said a goddamn word on > the internet. I regret ever releasing anything open source. For every one > person who wants to contribute there are a dozen who just want to complain - > or worse. I want to do my part in turning the tide and say that I have a serious degree of appreciation for all the stuff that you’ve personally done for Lisp Machine preservation. Meroko and LambdaDelta are OUTSTANDING work and are a major contribution to the field. (Also, the way Meroko simulates every individual bus cycle is really something!) > I’m so very tired of being screamed at. I almost want to just dump it all and > walk away. This is not what I signed up for. I hope the people who scream at you are the ones who walk away instead. They don’t deserve you or your awesome work. -- Chris
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Computer Reset is located on Skillman Dr on the east side of Dallas. I do not think they are still willing to let people scrounge. -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Grant Taylor via cctalk Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 2:20 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Computer Reset shop, liquidation. (USA) On 7/17/19 12:54 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > hint: look at the SUBJECT of the message you are pointlessly replying to The subject only mentions the U.S.A. If we assume the continental U.S.A., that's ~2.9 *Billion* square miles. (According to Google.) Brief searching narrows it down to somewhere in Texas. So that's down to 268 thousand square miles. (According to Google.) There may have been other location information, like drive time / distance from another known city, buried in this thread. So, I think asking for some clarification where Computer Reset is located at is a reasonable, and not pointless, thing to do. -- Grant. . . . unix || die --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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On 7/17/19 12:54 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: hint: look at the SUBJECT of the message you are pointlessly replying to The subject only mentions the U.S.A. If we assume the continental U.S.A., that's ~2.9 *Billion* square miles. (According to Google.) Brief searching narrows it down to somewhere in Texas. So that's down to 268 thousand square miles. (According to Google.) There may have been other location information, like drive time / distance from another known city, buried in this thread. So, I think asking for some clarification where Computer Reset is located at is a reasonable, and not pointless, thing to do. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
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Sorry but I haven’t a clue w cr liquidation is. Check out that LGR guys video, he makes fun videos -- : Ethan O'Toole
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On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:13 AM John Foust via cctalk wrote: > I've considered taking a truckful to VCF Midwest, but apparently > I'd need to make a big scary sign that says "If you don't take it now, > it's going to recycling" because I can't imagine that I'd be able > to give away half the load. Please do! We have a thing called "The Free Pile" that is actually a magical (one-way) portal to other peoples' garages, basements and mom's basements. It can make pretty much anything except printers disappear. The last few years, we've barely had to clean anything up after the show. But yeah, you should always be prepared to take back anything that isn't gone by Sunday afternoon. But if you really have a truckload, it's another long-standing VCFMW tradition to invite folks out to the parking lot (which will be conveniently located near the loading doors this year) for sales and freebies right out of the vehicle. Bring in a few teaser items and a big sign that says "more in the truck". Or don't do any of that stuff, and just come anyway. Table registration is open soon (I have the sign-up form on my desktop as I write this). -j
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On 7/17/2019 11:34 AM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: I am doing a documentation purge (most DEC) at VCFmw this year, just as I did a few years ago. And yes, what does not get sold or given away gets pulped at the end of the show. My van will then be empty so I can take your stuff. -- Will Just curious, but anything worth scanning (DEC)? Not that I'll make it to VCFmw this year. I'm in/near Fort Worth, TX so it's a long haul for me. But they all are from here. -- John H. Reinhardt
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On 7/17/19 12:33 PM, Mark Linimon via cctalk wrote: There's nothing "superbly classic" around here, though. IMHO it doesn't need to be "superbly classic". Maybe it's not "ventage" per-say. (I don't know if there is a definition for "ventage" in computers. Last I knew, for automobiles, they had to be 25 years or older to be called "ventage".) Bunch of working sun4u gear and old databooks. I'm betting that there are people that would like to have it. Look at things like IBM PCs / XTs / ATs. They were common "just old" things 5 ~ 15 years ago. Now many of those common things are gone and now people are wanting them. So, even "common" things that are (were) "just old" can have a surprising fan base. I'm on the look out for a reasonably priced (purchase and S independently) multi-processor Pentium Pro machine (for reasons). I hardly doubt that qualifies as "classic", much less "superbly" so. I see ebay listings of people selling of the bare CPUs for scrap in daily saved searches. Or I see old spare motherboards sans VRMs, or otherwise incomplete systems. I think there is a market for "just old" / "classic" / "superbly classic" equipment. I'll go back in my house now that I've yelled at kids on my lawn. ;-) -- Grant. . . . unix || die
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On 7/17/19 11:44 AM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote: > I haven’t a clue w CR liquidation is. ^^ hint: look at the SUBJECT of the message you are pointlessly replying to
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Sorry but I haven’t a clue w cr liquidation is. Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2019, at 8:00 AM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote: >> Why is LGR a jackass? > > Well, I think he kind of created a shitstorm and gave CR a little too > much exposure. The CR liquidation seems to have been going at a nice > controlled rate. Now that the whole world knows, it would not be a > surprise if security issues come up. > > Basically, he should have released the video after CR had been pretty > cleared out and closed. He should have realized the consequences of > his video. > > This is why when I get into a place like this, I am very picky about > who I let it, and in no way allow videos to be made and published on > Youtube, even on my own channel. > > -- > Will
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On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:12:22AM -0500, John Foust via cctalk wrote: > So, to deal with my own hoarding / collecting, I'll strive to make > a list of stuff I haven't touched in 10, 20, 30 years, and I'll > post here to see if anyone is interested. Same here -- but life keeps getting in the way of me completing the list :-( There's nothing "superbly classic" around here, though. Bunch of working sun4u gear and old databooks. And I *do* have the space -- in my shop outside. But the stuff that's *inside* is just in the way; and if I move it at all, it's to move it off the property. (psst: the Raptor Blackbird is _not_ included in the above list ...) mcl
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Well, I think he kind of created a shitstorm and gave CR a little too much exposure. The CR liquidation seems to have been going at a nice controlled rate. Now that the whole world knows, it would not be a surprise if security issues come up. Eh, friends of mine were talking about that place like 2 months prior to LGR's video. Plus it was already on Reddit and other places before LGR found out.
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I'm overwhelmed and it's time to purge. The problem isn't a desire for old computers, the problem is having too much space. You might like motorcycles or tractors or Beanie Babies, but if you have the space and the inclination, you can eventually fill your available space. Boyles Law.
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> On Jul 17, 2019, at 11:26 AM, William Donzelli via cctalk > wrote: > > Oh, I did not mention how some of those misfits can throw their own > wrenches in the works. Piss one of them off and he calls the Fire > Marshall. Some dick did that when I was cleaning out Compass so many > years ago (if you remember the Compass Teletype cleanout in NJ, you > have been on this list too long!), and delayed things for a couple of > weeks. This. People on the internet are insane. I have gotten literal death threats for refusing to sell keyboards. People threatening to find my home address and do things about my “hoarding”. I should never have said a goddamn word on the internet. I regret ever releasing anything open source. For every one person who wants to contribute there are a dozen who just want to complain - or worse. I’m so very tired of being screamed at. I almost want to just dump it all and walk away. This is not what I signed up for.
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> I'm overwhelmed and it's time to purge. The problem isn't a desire > for old computers, the problem is having too much space. You might > like motorcycles or tractors or Beanie Babies, but if you have the > space and the inclination, you can eventually fill your available space. Been there, got yelled at, thinning out. > I've considered taking a truckful to VCF Midwest, but apparently > I'd need to make a big scary sign that says "If you don't take it now, > it's going to recycling" because I can't imagine that I'd be able > to give away half the load. I am doing a documentation purge (most DEC) at VCFmw this year, just as I did a few years ago. And yes, what does not get sold or given away gets pulped at the end of the show. My van will then be empty so I can take your stuff. -- Will
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> I doubt .1% of LGR's followers are going to show up. Perhaps a few will > inquire. I would not worry about that. I would worry about LGR's trolls. He must have a ton of them - every Youtuber does. Hell, even I do and I am a nobody. There are probably more than a few 13 year old (or 40 going on 13 year old) LGR subscribers that got pissed off because CR is a cash and carry operation - no shipping. And if they can't have that NOS kittycat computer case, nobody can. Will this happen? Probably not, but the chances it will skyrocketted. -- Will
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>So, to deal with my own hoarding / >collecting, I'll strive to make >a list of >stuff I haven't touched in 10, 20, >30 years, and I'll >post here to see if >anyone is interested. >Too much lingering >obligation and future debt, even >if it only >has to go to recycling.This is always a good first step. If people >don't know what you have people can't reach out.Just saying ;)-Ali
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> Eh, friends of mine were talking about that place like 2 months prior to > LGR's video. Yes, some of us were called on the first day the whole thing developed. > Just remember, it's not the only one. There are likely to be > similar places around flyover America. Yes, I realize this. Much of my business is estate and failed business cleanouts. > As long as the crap goes into nerd hands versus the landfill, so be it? Oh, and don't forget THE OWNER AND FAMILY. It is about them, right? They are the primary beneficiaries of whatever happens to the pile. We should be grateful to them. > "Me only." So people are upset that the magic well was exposed. No, it is about "control". Back, two months ago or so, the group that knew and were visiting CR was fairly small - maybe a few hundred people, most collectors and/or dealers, many knowing each other. Misfits could likely be pointed out, maybe so an eye could be kept on them. But now that it has world exposure, everyone knows about it, including potentially every scrap thief in the DFW area. They now know the backstory if they see the video and do some research beyond Youtube. And they will know when the place will be opened, and when it will be closed. They will know the internal layout of the place. They might know, with the family in such a state, the alarm may or may not work. Pull up a trailer, hire 10 migrant workers, forge some papers saying they are a hired contractor (just in case someone gets nosey), and in a day every bit of electronics is gone. There is plenty there to make them a good buck on scrap. All this can happen in the blink of an eye. What do you think the owner and family would get out of that scenario? Remember the owner and family? Yes, this happens all the time. Fake contractors break into and empty storage lockers all them time - even modern ones with video and such. Even full one family houses get hit. A few houses down from my old place, some fake movers did just that - cleared a whole house while the owner was on vacation. And this was in a nice neighborhood, during a nice day during a normal week. No one said a word to the cops until it was all over. > Just be happy that anyone cares about old useless computers? I am very happy that the guys stepped up to liquidate the place, and I think they are doing a great job. The LGR video is not really helping them, and greatly increased the chances for a disaster. Oh, I did not mention how some of those misfits can throw their own wrenches in the works. Piss one of them off and he calls the Fire Marshall. Some dick did that when I was cleaning out Compass so many years ago (if you remember the Compass Teletype cleanout in NJ, you have been on this list too long!), and delayed things for a couple of weeks. -- Will
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>It's unfortuante that this wasn't a well >known business/resource before >it>was an overflowing burden for the family >to deal with. Actually it was. >They used to sell on eBay all the time. Guy was an old timer, nice enough once >you got to know him but he wasn't very friendly or easy to deal with initially >specially through eBay (listing with ridiculous S, no response to messages, >etc).The place was on my list of if "I ever have the time and money" but life >caught up to them before I hit the lottery :D.-Ali
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At 10:29 AM 7/17/2019, Patrick Finnegan via cctalk wrote: >On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 10:17 AM Ethan O'Toole via cctalk < > There are likely to be similar places around flyover America. You been poking around my warehouse? >I'd agree in prinicpal, but if even 0.1% of LGR's 1M youtube followers try >to show up one day, it'd be a Problem. More people going will create a >bigger headache for the volunteers helping to deal with the situation and >might end up in no one getting anything. YouTube subscriber numbers versus reality; you'd have a hard time getting 0.1% of those subscribers to do anything in the real world. >I've been overwhelmed trying to >deal with my own collection sometimes; I can't imagine having 10-20x the >space filled up would be like. I'm overwhelmed and it's time to purge. The problem isn't a desire for old computers, the problem is having too much space. You might like motorcycles or tractors or Beanie Babies, but if you have the space and the inclination, you can eventually fill your available space. > There's some threshold where >instead of "more people getting retrocomputers", it's "This is too much >stress, so it's all going to a landfill". Yes, assuming you expended the effort to organize and document, then organization makes dispersal slightly more easy... but most of the problem is still there. You want to advertise what you have? Effort. Put a value on it? More effort. Want to give it away? Sell it? All that takes time and effort. Lots of time. Packing, shipping, even just dealing with schedules and communication and meet-ups and those who don't show up. And yes, if you're in "flyover America" you have far fewer enthusiasts to attract for local pickup. Even sending it all to recycling takes a tremendous amount of effort. I put some stuff on eBay the other day, some server stuff less than ten years old plus some other items, like 18 VoIP phones with a starting bid of 99 cents... the only thing seeing a bid so far is a NIB toner cartridge for an HP laser printer. So, to deal with my own hoarding / collecting, I'll strive to make a list of stuff I haven't touched in 10, 20, 30 years, and I'll post here to see if anyone is interested. Too much lingering obligation and future debt, even if it only has to go to recycling. I've considered taking a truckful to VCF Midwest, but apparently I'd need to make a big scary sign that says "If you don't take it now, it's going to recycling" because I can't imagine that I'd be able to give away half the load. - John
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On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 10:17 AM Ethan O'Toole via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > Well, I think he kind of created a shitstorm and gave CR a little too > > much exposure. The CR liquidation seems to have been going at a nice > > controlled rate. Now that the whole world knows, it would not be a > > surprise if security issues come up. > > Eh, friends of mine were talking about that place like 2 months prior to > LGR's video. Just remember, it's not the only one. There are likely to be > similar places around flyover America. > I'd agree in prinicpal, but if even 0.1% of LGR's 1M youtube followers try to show up one day, it'd be a Problem. More people going will create a bigger headache for the volunteers helping to deal with the situation and might end up in no one getting anything. There's some threshold where instead of "more people getting retrocomputers", it's "This is too much stress, so it's all going to a landfill". I've been overwhelmed trying to deal with my own collection sometimes; I can't imagine having 10-20x the space filled up would be like. It's way too easy to keep growing the collection (more space is expensive and stuff takes a lot more time to curate and organize than acquire) until it's physically and mentally exhausting to deal with. One thing I've been reminded of a few times by stuff like this is that I should organize stuff (and keep it organized), have a plan for dispersing my collection when i'm gone, and make sure I have some sort of inventory. It's unfortuante that this wasn't a well known business/resource before it was an overflowing burden for the family to deal with. It may be our "treasures" now, but it's also someone's misfortune that made it that way. :-/ Pat
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On 7/17/19 7:16 AM, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk wrote: > So people are upset that the magic well was exposed. No, people are upset because of the ill will created by the family members having to deal with cleaning up their father's mess. On VCF, a message pointing to an earlier video was pulled and keyboard poachers have been banned. http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?69913-FYI-Computer-Reset-liquidation-(Dallas-TX)/page17=computer+reset
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Well, I think he kind of created a shitstorm and gave CR a little too much exposure. The CR liquidation seems to have been going at a nice controlled rate. Now that the whole world knows, it would not be a surprise if security issues come up. Eh, friends of mine were talking about that place like 2 months prior to LGR's video. Just remember, it's not the only one. There are likely to be similar places around flyover America. It takes a really dedicated person to travel across the country. As long as the crap goes into nerd hands versus the landfill, so be it? This is why when I get into a place like this, I am very picky about who I let it, and in no way allow videos to be made and published on Youtube, even on my own channel. "Me only." So people are upset that the magic well was exposed. I see the same stuff with the arcade community. They're quick to show off all the machines they get for $50/ea from some place then they're all for sale at $1500/ea two months later. Eh, it will be all $50 again or less soon enough. Just be happy that anyone cares about old useless computers? -- : Ethan O'Toole
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> Why is LGR a jackass? Well, I think he kind of created a shitstorm and gave CR a little too much exposure. The CR liquidation seems to have been going at a nice controlled rate. Now that the whole world knows, it would not be a surprise if security issues come up. Basically, he should have released the video after CR had been pretty cleared out and closed. He should have realized the consequences of his video. This is why when I get into a place like this, I am very picky about who I let it, and in no way allow videos to be made and published on Youtube, even on my own channel. -- Will
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How’s lgr a jackass Sent from my iPad > On Jul 17, 2019, at 12:14 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk > wrote: > > > >> Exploring a MASSIVE Retro Computer Warehouse! > > old news, dredged up again because of a youtube jackass > > >
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Exploring a MASSIVE Retro Computer Warehouse! old news, dredged up again because of a youtube jackass Why is LGR a jackass? - Ethan -- : Ethan O'Toole
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Exploring a MASSIVE Retro Computer Warehouse! old news, dredged up again because of a youtube jackass
