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Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list

2018-06-15 Thread Antonis Tsolomitis


  
  

Yes, of course.

Antonis.


On 15/06/2018 03:25 μμ, Richard L.
  Hamilton wrote:


  
  Oops, forgot to send reply to the list.
  
  
  
  
  
On Jun 15, 2018, at 07:45,
  Antonis Tsolomitis 
  wrote:
  
  
  I changed the Alt-Tab to f.cycle_up and this works well.
  
  Thanks,
  
  Antonis.
  


I think you mean f.circle_up - there is no f.cycle_up.

For consistency, you could also change Alt Shift Tab to
f.circle_down (opposite direction in window stack).

  Alt ShiftTab   root|icon|window
   f.circle_down
  
  
  
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Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list

2018-06-15 Thread Richard L. Hamilton

>>> 
>>> ‎However, even though I said that... neither alt-esc nor alt-tab are 
>>> curr‎ently working for me (though the underlying functionality works when 
>>> accessed from a menu, and other keybinds work fine as well). They have 
>>> worked in the past. This could be a result of my private tree, or of 
>>> something that's changed in master at some point. I haven't been able to 
>>> bisect yet.
>>> 
>>> If it‎ is broken for Antonis, or anyone else, I'd very much like to know.
>>>   Original Message
>>> From: Jon Trulson
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 15:24
>>> To: cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net 
>>> <mailto:cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list
>>> 
>>> Oh, good point. I didn't read the last sentence. ALT-TAB should work...
>>> -jon
>>> 
>>> On 06/14/2018 01:34 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote:
>>>> ‎This functionality should be bound to either alt+tab or alt+esc by 
>>>> default. Do they not work for you?
>>>> 
>>>> Have a look through programs/dtwm/WmResource.c sometime for other 
>>>> interesting keybinds.
>>>>   Original Message
>>>> From: Antonis Tsolomitis
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 05:31
>>>> To: cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net 
>>>> <mailto:cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
>>>> Subject: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Many times I find myself in a difficult situation where many windows are
>>>> open
>>>> covering each other and have trouble bringing forward the one I want.
>>>> 
>>>> CDE does not seem to have a utility for finding the window you want. Or
>>>> does it?
>>>> 
>>>> Is there any standalone maybe application for such a task ? Or any other
>>>> solution?
>>>> For example on more common desktops alt+tab rotates the windows and you
>>>> can choose.
>> 
>> Using grep on my dtwmrc file (Sun CDE, on Solaris 9, in this case), I find
>> AltTab root|icon|windowf.next_key
>> Alt ShiftTab   root|icon|windowf.prev_key
>> AltEscape  root|icon|windowf.next_key
>> Alt ShiftEscaperoot|icon|windowf.prev_key
>> AltF6  window  f.next_key transient
>> Alt ShiftF6window  f.prev_key transient
>> AltTab root|icon|windowf.next_key
>> Alt ShiftTab   root|icon|windowf.prev_key
>> AltEscape  root|icon|windowf.next_key
>> Alt ShiftEscaperoot|icon|windowf.prev_key
>> AltF6  window  f.next_key transient
>> 
>> In other words, it's ultimately variations on f.next_key and f.prev_key dtwm 
>> commands that do the job, and the keys used can be defined as one wishes 
>> (subject to possible  complications with some keyboards and X servers as to 
>> what constitutes Alt, etc).
>> 
>> A dtwmrc(4) man page (at least in Sun CDE) describes the various f. window 
>> manager command.  While normally they can only appear in a window manager 
>> configuration file (save that dtstyle sends a command to the window manager 
>> to restart it, when needed), there is a protocol for sending f. commands to 
>> dtwm, and I have a C program that uses my reverse engineering of it (via 
>> xscope, I think) that I wrote a long time ago.  Given the source of one of 
>> the shared libraries whose interfaces are not documented, it may be possible 
>> to rewrite the program to do it that way...but it does work, regardless.  
>> Source for my program is at http://www.smart.net/~rlhamil/goodies/dtwmcmd.c 
>> <http://www.smart.net/~rlhamil/goodies/dtwmcmd.c>
>> 
>> So one could step through windows, or workspaces even (there was once 
>> someone that wanted to do that, I gather for a system with various status 
>> displays in separate workstations, using a large display or projector) 
>> programatically.
>> 
>> My notes indicate at least two f. commands not documented in dtwmrc(4):
>> f.change_backdrop   appears to require pathname of pixmap file as
>>an argument
>> 
>> f.set_context   appears to r

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list

2018-06-15 Thread Antonis Tsolomitis


  
  

  No. Alt-Tab or Alt-Esc do not work on stable, although my dtwmrc
  contains:
  
      AltTab            root|icon|window    f.next_key
      Alt ShiftTab        root|icon|window    f.prev_key
      AltEscape        root|icon|window    f.next_key
      Alt ShiftEscape    root|icon|window    f.prev_key
  
   I do not know if there is a conflict with other settings
  (for example I use "focus follows mouse")
  
  However, Alt-Down and Alt-Up work where these are set as 
  f.circle_down
  f.circle_up
  
  and these rotate the windows.
  So this is not so bad, I will do my job.
  
  However, I also think that a windows list either in a menu (middle
  click) or in a tray
  similar to iconbox would be very useful since it will be faster to
  find the window you need
  than rotate them.
  
  Yes..., xmpager similar to Triteal CDE would be great too.
  
  Thanks everyone,
  
  Antonis.
  
  
  
  
  On 15/06/2018 01:33 πμ, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:


  


  
On Jun 14, 2018, at 18:10, Matthew R. Trower  wrote:

‎However, even though I said that... neither alt-esc nor alt-tab are curr‎ently working for me (though the underlying functionality works when accessed from a menu, and other keybinds work fine as well). They have worked in the past. This could be a result of my private tree, or of something that's changed in master at some point. I haven't been able to bisect yet.

If it‎ is broken for Antonis, or anyone else, I'd very much like to know.
  Original Message
From: Jon Trulson
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 15:24
To: cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list

Oh, good point. I didn't read the last sentence. ALT-TAB should work...
-jon

On 06/14/2018 01:34 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote:


  ‎This functionality should be bound to either alt+tab or alt+esc by default. Do they not work for you?

Have a look through programs/dtwm/WmResource.c sometime for other interesting keybinds.
  Original Message
From: Antonis Tsolomitis
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 05:31
To: cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list


Many times I find myself in a difficult situation where many windows are
open
covering each other and have trouble bringing forward the one I want.

CDE does not seem to have a utility for finding the window you want. Or
does it?

Is there any standalone maybe application for such a task ? Or any other
solution?
For example on more common desktops alt+tab rotates the windows and you
can choose.


  
  

Using grep on my dtwmrc file (Sun CDE, on Solaris 9, in this case), I find
AltTab root|icon|windowf.next_key
Alt ShiftTab   root|icon|windowf.prev_key
AltEscape  root|icon|windowf.next_key
Alt ShiftEscaperoot|icon|windowf.prev_key
AltF6  window  f.next_key transient
Alt ShiftF6window  f.prev_key transient
AltTab root|icon|windowf.next_key
Alt ShiftTab   root|icon|windowf.prev_key
AltEscape  root|icon|windowf.next_key
Alt ShiftEscaperoot|icon|windowf.prev_key
AltF6  window  f.next_key transient

In other words, it's ultimately variations on f.next_key and f.prev_key dtwm commands that do the job, and the keys used can be defined as one wishes (subject to possible  complications with some keyboards and X servers as to what constitutes Alt, etc).

A dtwmrc(4) man page (at least in Sun CDE) describes the various f. window manager command.  While normally they can only appear in a window manager configuration file (save that dtstyle sends a command to the window manager to restart it, when needed), there is a protocol for sending f. commands to dtwm, and I have a C program that uses my reverse engineering of it (via xscope, I think) that I wrote a long time ago.  Given the source of one of the shared libraries whose interfaces are not documented, it may be possible to rewrite the program to do it that way...but it does work, regardless.  Source for my program is at http://www.smart.net/~rlhamil/goodies/dtwmcmd.c

So one could step through windows, or workspaces even (there was once someone that wanted to do that, I gather for a system with various status displays in separate workstations, using a large display or projector) programatically.

My notes indicate at least two f. commands not documented in dtwmrc(4):
f.change_backdrop   appears to require pathname of pixmap file as
   an argument

f.set_context   appears to require one numeric argument,

Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list

2018-06-14 Thread Matthew R. Trower

  âFor some reason, I thought we already had a window list (something textual and basic, like most traditional WMS seem to have). Well, I'll investigate it as an option for cde-next, after we get this release out. I've been wanting to address window management for some time.From: Richard L. HamiltonSent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 19:22To: Christopher TurkelCc: cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.netSubject: Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows listOn Jun 14, 2018, at 20:12, Christopher Turkel  wrote:I'd like a window list option, maybe a middle mouse button click.There isn't a graphical one in basic CDE.  And it would be a lot of work, probably.  TriTeal and later Sun CDE had graphic workspace management tools, and at least the latter had something that would give a textual list of windows and I think allow selecting them.Similar to the latter is http://web.archive.org/web/20090210060252/http://levana.de/findwindow/find_window.shtml

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Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list

2018-06-14 Thread Richard L. Hamilton

> On Jun 14, 2018, at 20:12, Christopher Turkel  
> wrote:
> 
> I'd like a window list option, maybe a middle mouse button click.

There isn't a graphical one in basic CDE.  And it would be a lot of work, 
probably.  TriTeal and later Sun CDE had graphic workspace management tools, 
and at least the latter had something that would give a textual list of windows 
and I think allow selecting them.

Similar to the latter is 
http://web.archive.org/web/20090210060252/http://levana.de/findwindow/find_window.shtml

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Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list

2018-06-14 Thread Richard L. Hamilton

> On Jun 14, 2018, at 18:10, Matthew R. Trower  wrote:
> 
> ‎However, even though I said that... neither alt-esc nor alt-tab are 
> curr‎ently working for me (though the underlying functionality works when 
> accessed from a menu, and other keybinds work fine as well). They have worked 
> in the past. This could be a result of my private tree, or of something 
> that's changed in master at some point. I haven't been able to bisect yet.
> 
> If it‎ is broken for Antonis, or anyone else, I'd very much like to know.
>   Original Message
> From: Jon Trulson
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 15:24
> To: cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list
> 
> Oh, good point. I didn't read the last sentence. ALT-TAB should work...
> -jon
> 
> On 06/14/2018 01:34 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote:
>> ‎This functionality should be bound to either alt+tab or alt+esc by default. 
>> Do they not work for you?
>> 
>> Have a look through programs/dtwm/WmResource.c sometime for other 
>> interesting keybinds.
>>   Original Message
>> From: Antonis Tsolomitis
>> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 05:31
>> To: cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>> Subject: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list
>> 
>> 
>> Many times I find myself in a difficult situation where many windows are
>> open
>> covering each other and have trouble bringing forward the one I want.
>> 
>> CDE does not seem to have a utility for finding the window you want. Or
>> does it?
>> 
>> Is there any standalone maybe application for such a task ? Or any other
>> solution?
>> For example on more common desktops alt+tab rotates the windows and you
>> can choose.

Using grep on my dtwmrc file (Sun CDE, on Solaris 9, in this case), I find
AltTab root|icon|windowf.next_key
Alt ShiftTab   root|icon|windowf.prev_key
AltEscape  root|icon|windowf.next_key
Alt ShiftEscaperoot|icon|windowf.prev_key
AltF6  window  f.next_key transient
Alt ShiftF6window  f.prev_key transient
AltTab root|icon|windowf.next_key
Alt ShiftTab   root|icon|windowf.prev_key
AltEscape  root|icon|windowf.next_key
Alt ShiftEscaperoot|icon|windowf.prev_key
AltF6  window  f.next_key transient

In other words, it's ultimately variations on f.next_key and f.prev_key dtwm 
commands that do the job, and the keys used can be defined as one wishes 
(subject to possible  complications with some keyboards and X servers as to 
what constitutes Alt, etc).

A dtwmrc(4) man page (at least in Sun CDE) describes the various f. window 
manager command.  While normally they can only appear in a window manager 
configuration file (save that dtstyle sends a command to the window manager to 
restart it, when needed), there is a protocol for sending f. commands to dtwm, 
and I have a C program that uses my reverse engineering of it (via xscope, I 
think) that I wrote a long time ago.  Given the source of one of the shared 
libraries whose interfaces are not documented, it may be possible to rewrite 
the program to do it that way...but it does work, regardless.  Source for my 
program is at http://www.smart.net/~rlhamil/goodies/dtwmcmd.c

So one could step through windows, or workspaces even (there was once someone 
that wanted to do that, I gather for a system with various status displays in 
separate workstations, using a large display or projector) programatically.

My notes indicate at least two f. commands not documented in dtwmrc(4):
f.change_backdrop   appears to require pathname of pixmap file as
   an argument

f.set_context   appears to require one numeric argument,
probably a window number (as shown by xlswins
or xwininfo -tree -root) WARNING: has been
observed to crash dtwm when given without
valid argument

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Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list

2018-06-14 Thread Matthew R. Trower

‎However, even though I said that... neither alt-esc nor alt-tab are curr‎ently 
working for me (though the underlying functionality works when accessed from a 
menu, and other keybinds work fine as well). They have worked in the past. This 
could be a result of my private tree, or of something that's changed in master 
at some point. I haven't been able to bisect yet.

If it‎ is broken for Antonis, or anyone else, I'd very much like to know.
  Original Message  
From: Jon Trulson
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 15:24
To: cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list

Oh, good point. I didn't read the last sentence. ALT-TAB should work...
-jon

On 06/14/2018 01:34 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote:
> ‎This functionality should be bound to either alt+tab or alt+esc by default. 
> Do they not work for you?
> 
> Have a look through programs/dtwm/WmResource.c sometime for other interesting 
> keybinds.
>   Original Message
> From: Antonis Tsolomitis
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 05:31
> To: cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list
> 
> 
> Many times I find myself in a difficult situation where many windows are
> open
> covering each other and have trouble bringing forward the one I want.
> 
> CDE does not seem to have a utility for finding the window you want. Or
> does it?
> 
> Is there any standalone maybe application for such a task ? Or any other
> solution?
> For example on more common desktops alt+tab rotates the windows and you
> can choose.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Antonis.
> 
> 
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Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list

2018-06-14 Thread Jon Trulson


Oh, good point.  I didn't read the last sentence.  ALT-TAB should work...
-jon

On 06/14/2018 01:34 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote:

‎This functionality should be bound to either alt+tab or alt+esc by default. Do 
they not work for you?

Have a look through programs/dtwm/WmResource.c sometime for other interesting 
keybinds.
   Original Message
From: Antonis Tsolomitis
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 05:31
To: cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list


Many times I find myself in a difficult situation where many windows are
open
covering each other and have trouble bringing forward the one I want.

CDE does not seem to have a utility for finding the window you want. Or
does it?

Is there any standalone maybe application for such a task ? Or any other
solution?
For example on more common desktops alt+tab rotates the windows and you
can choose.

Thanks,

Antonis.


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Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list

2018-06-14 Thread Matthew R. Trower

‎This functionality should be bound to either alt+tab or alt+esc by default. Do 
they not work for you?

Have a look through programs/dtwm/WmResource.c sometime for other interesting 
keybinds.
  Original Message  
From: Antonis Tsolomitis
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 05:31
To: cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list

Many times I find myself in a difficult situation where many windows are 
open
covering each other and have trouble bringing forward the one I want.

CDE does not seem to have a utility for finding the window you want. Or 
does it?

Is there any standalone maybe application for such a task ? Or any other 
solution?
For example on more common desktops alt+tab rotates the windows and you 
can choose.

Thanks,

Antonis.

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Re: [cdesktopenv-devel] question about windows list

2018-06-14 Thread Jon Trulson

I could swear there was a program called xmpager that could display 
graphically the windows (like the Triteal version of CDE's front panel), 
but I can seem to find it with google.  Perhaps I am not remembering the 
name correctly.


-jon

On 06/14/2018 04:31 AM, Antonis Tsolomitis wrote:


Many times I find myself in a difficult situation where many windows are 
open

covering each other and have trouble bringing forward the one I want.

CDE does not seem to have a utility for finding the window you want. Or 
does it?


Is there any standalone maybe application for such a task ? Or any other 
solution?
For example on more common desktops alt+tab rotates the windows and you 
can choose.


Thanks,

Antonis.


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2018-06-14 Thread Antonis Tsolomitis




Many times I find myself in a difficult situation where many windows are 
open

covering each other and have trouble bringing forward the one I want.

CDE does not seem to have a utility for finding the window you want. Or 
does it?


Is there any standalone maybe application for such a task ? Or any other 
solution?
For example on more common desktops alt+tab rotates the windows and you 
can choose.


Thanks,

Antonis.


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