Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-28 Thread Joerg Schilling
From: Simon Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have no idea: This looks like a result of a bug in the libc found on RH 7.3. I really hope that Linux will become a decently usable OS in the near future. But without compatible libraries this looks impossible. There are many people using Linux in

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-28 Thread Joerg Schilling
From: Brian Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm using the cd-record pro DVD version 1.11a21. I'm using it under the personal use license that is given inside the README file at ftp://ftp.fokus.gmd.de/pub/unix/cdrecord/ProDVD/. I run this on Red Hat 7.3. I just changed my hostname and now the

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-27 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Joerg Schilling wrote: Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:38:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: License of cdrdao will be changed From: Brian Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm using the cd-record pro DVD

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
From: Dan Hollis [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Joerg Schilling wrote: The last and more intense have been half a year ago when I started to sue companies that illegally use cdrecord sources for closed source applications. Which companies? Two German companies, this makes it

cdrecord abuses (was Re: License of cdrdao will be changed)

2002-09-26 Thread Julián Muñoz
Hi Jörg, I think that GPL software should be protected by the State (in you case Germany, in my case Spain), so that it should not represent any cost to defend the GPL licence violation (do not include the source code, etc...). GPL should be a patrimoine de l'humanité, or somthing similar,

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
From: Andreas Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] At the end, my conclusion is to not change the license of cdrdao which gives me following two options: 1. Freeze the project until the affected sources are replaced by a GPL compliant version. 2. Release a cdrdao version which temporarily omits the

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-26 Thread Brian Sullivan
I'm using the cd-record pro DVD version 1.11a21. I'm using it under the personal use license that is given inside the README file at ftp://ftp.fokus.gmd.de/pub/unix/cdrecord/ProDVD/. I run this on Red Hat 7.3. I just changed my hostname and now the cdrecord program is no longer operational. I

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
From: Brian Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm using the cd-record pro DVD version 1.11a21. I'm using it under the personal use license that is given inside the README file at ftp://ftp.fokus.gmd.de/pub/unix/cdrecord/ProDVD/. I run this on Red Hat 7.3. I just changed my hostname and now the

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
From: Simon Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have no idea: This looks like a result of a bug in the libc found on RH 7.3. I really hope that Linux will become a decently usable OS in the near future. But without compatible libraries this looks impossible. There are many people using Linux

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-24 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Joerg Schilling wrote: This brings up a different twist then. If the source code did not contain any license file at all, and did not have any license in any of the files, it would IMHO be licenseless. Wether or not the law would interpret it to be public domain, and hence

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-24 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Dan Hollis wrote: I think Andreas decision to replace the GPL incompatible code with new code, is the right thing to do. Indeed. Why are people still complaining about licensing since it's now a 100% moot point with cdrdao? Agreed. There is nothing to

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-24 Thread Joerg Schilling
From: Mike A. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] AFAIK, I am the only author who did major contributions and I _do_ already allow this kind of usage with cdrecord Minor contributors have no own rights on the work. Joerg, cdrecord isn't the topic of discussion here right now. Well, about 1/3 of

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-24 Thread Joerg Schilling
From: Mike A. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] You're only contradicting me, but you're no lawyer either. My But I have had several long discussions with lawyers about Copyright and GPL issues in the past. The first talk was in 1993 (about one year after the European Union decided that software is

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-24 Thread Joerg Schilling
From: Mike A. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] AFAIK, I am the only person who did major contributions and I do allow this kind of usage. Authors who did minor contributions need not be asked. That is your own personal opinion on the matter. If there was an author whom has contributed code and had a

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-24 Thread Lourens Veen
On Tuesday 24 September 2002 13:25, Joerg Schilling wrote: From: Lourens Veen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] explanation I've just re-read the LICENSE file in the libedc directory of=20 cdrtools, and it doesn't mention distribution at all, only use.=20 Does this mean that I do have

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-24 Thread Dan Hollis
On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Joerg Schilling wrote: The last and more intense have been half a year ago when I started to sue companies that illegally use cdrecord sources for closed source applications. Which companies? -Dan -- [-] Omae no subete no kichi wa ore no mono da. [-] -- To

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
From: Mike A. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] without the viral component, then as far as I can see it would be=20 possible. This would however change the license terms for the rest=20 of cdrdao as well (it would effectively turn into an LGPL license I=20 think). It will not as the exception is

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
From: Lourens Veen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Preface: I am sorry, but it seems that you don't know much about =09Copyright issues :-( Many of your statements are completely =09wrong and none of your mails from the last night has been helpful. For a decent discussion on this topic it is important

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-23 Thread Åsmund Skjæveland
This is how the GPL protects freedom of the code, by ensuring that when you've got GPL'd code, no one can remove any of the rights that the GPL provides you with. They cannot restrict you in any way beyond what the GPL license states. That means that they can not say This program is

Re: [Cdrdao-devel] Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-23 Thread John Zitterkopf
: License of cdrdao will be changed On Sun, 2002-09-22 at 22:47, Lourens Veen wrote: On Sunday 22 September 2002 22:30, Joerg Schilling wrote: From: Lourens Veen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] However, as libedc is not GPLd the viral part of the GPL does not apply to libedc - no matter what's

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-23 Thread Andreas Mueller
Hi all, wow, that was an interesting discussion today. Unfortunately I could not follow it directly since my real job currently takes most of my time. After digging throw most of the thread I see following points that are relevant for my current problem: - Cdrdao cannot be GPLd as long as

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-23 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Julián Muñoz wrote: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:36:34 + (GMT) From: Julián Muñoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: License of cdrdao will be changed Although it is an interesting topic

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-23 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Julián Muñoz wrote: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:07:06 + (GMT) From: Julián Muñoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andreas Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: cdwrite list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: License of cdrdao will be changed On 23

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-23 Thread Dan Hollis
On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Mike A. Harris wrote: I think Andreas decision to replace the GPL incompatible code with new code, is the right thing to do. Indeed. Why are people still complaining about licensing since it's now a 100% moot point with cdrdao? -Dan -- [-] Omae no subete no kichi wa

License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-22 Thread Andreas Mueller
Hi all, I had to learn this week that cdrdao currently violates the license terms of the included libedc_ecc code which is intellectual property of Heiko Eissfeldt. The cdrdao project has the permission to use the libedc_ecc code but the GPL does not apply to the libedc_ecc code itself. Other

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-22 Thread Mike A. Harris
On 22 Sep 2002, Andreas Mueller wrote: Date: 22 Sep 2002 13:15:57 +0200 From: Andreas Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cdwrite list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain Subject: License of cdrdao will be changed Hi all, I had to learn this week that cdrdao currently violates the license

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-22 Thread Andreas Mueller
On Sun, 2002-09-22 at 19:01, Mike A. Harris wrote: [...] Therefore, I will restrict the GPL license for cdrdao so that section 2 of the GPL will not apply to the libedc_ecc code. I will shortly prepare a new cdrdao release with the new license terms and remove all older releases from

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-22 Thread Lourens Veen
On Sunday 22 September 2002 21:46, Andreas Mueller wrote: On Sun, 2002-09-22 at 19:01, Mike A. Harris wrote: [...] Therefore, I will restrict the GPL license for cdrdao so that section 2 of the GPL will not apply to the libedc_ecc code. I will shortly prepare a new cdrdao release

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-22 Thread Joerg Schilling
To: Andreas Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED], The libedc_ecc code is held in a library which gets statically linked to the cdrdao executable. The library is not available as a separate package so that the cdrdao sources ship with the libedc_ecc sources. The libedc_ecc sources are strictly separated

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-22 Thread Lourens Veen
On Sunday 22 September 2002 23:15, Andreas Mueller wrote: On Sun, 2002-09-22 at 22:47, Lourens Veen wrote: On Sunday 22 September 2002 22:30, Joerg Schilling wrote: From: Lourens Veen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] However, as libedc is not GPLd the viral part of the GPL does not apply

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-22 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, Joerg Schilling wrote: You can't GPL part of your program however, and have GPL incompatible code linked into it. This statement is not correct I tend to believe this but can you please let me know where this is stated in the GPLv2 license text (I mean the part about

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-22 Thread Mike A. Harris
PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: License of cdrdao will be changed On Sun, 2002-09-22 at 22:47, Lourens Veen wrote: On Sunday 22 September 2002 22:30, Joerg Schilling wrote: From: Lourens Veen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] However, as libedc is not GPLd the viral part of the GPL

Re: License of cdrdao will be changed

2002-09-22 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, Lourens Veen wrote: However, as libedc is not GPLd the viral part of the GPL does not apply to libedc - no matter what's written in the GPL. The problem is that Andreas did not make this clear before. As a result of this missing hint other people did believe that libedc