Re: [cellml-discussion] Biological and other non-model citations in CellML metadata?

2007-04-02 Thread Matt
On 4/1/07, Nicolas Le Novere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I misunderstand the scope of the property isDescribedBy. I also don't think reverse engineering URIs to obtain meaning is a good practice. But ... you do not reverse engineer anything. Though you have to pull apart the URI

Re: [cellml-discussion] Biological and other non-model citations in CellML metadata?

2007-04-02 Thread Matt
On 4/3/07, Nicolas Le Novere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You will always need to pull apart the 'URI' (table2 MIRIAM document) to retrieve the datatype and identifier. Well, yes you have to recognise what belongs to the data-type and what belong to the identifier. But you do that all the time

Re: [cellml-discussion] Biological and other non-model citations in CellML metadata?

2007-04-01 Thread Matt
Hi Nicolas. Thanks for the in-depth reply. On 3/31/07, Nicolas Le Novere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I misunderstand the scope of the property isDescribedBy. I also don't think reverse engineering URIs to obtain meaning is a good practice. But ... you do not reverse engineer anything. Though

Re: [cellml-discussion] Biological and other non-model citations in CellML metadata?

2007-03-31 Thread Nicolas Le Novere
I misunderstand the scope of the property isDescribedBy. I also don't think reverse engineering URIs to obtain meaning is a good practice. But ... you do not reverse engineer anything. The URI IS the meaning. In the English dictionary, there is a word publication, with a definition. Well, in

Re: [cellml-discussion] Biological and other non-model citations in CellML metadata?

2007-03-29 Thread Matt
By all means, step in as much as possible. Can you explain in more detail or point to explanations of bqmodel:isDescribedBy? Specifically: - what is its intended meaning? - when more than one of these is defined on a resource, how is this interpreted? For example: is there some precedence

Re: [cellml-discussion] Biological and other non-model citations in CellML metadata?

2007-03-29 Thread Nicolas Le Novere
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Matt wrote: BioPAX annotatation scheme is very fragile and in practise almost unusable. How is that? Because the annotation is free-form. I can use UniProt, uniprot, Uni-Prot etc. That was always going to wash out in practice. I'm not sure a rule for generating the

Re: [cellml-discussion] Biological and other non-model citations in CellML metadata?

2007-03-29 Thread Nicolas Le Novere
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Matt wrote: Can you explain in more detail or point to explanations of bqmodel:isDescribedBy? You can find some explanations at: http://www.ebi.ac.uk/compneur-srv/miriam-main/mdb?section=qualifiers Note tha qualifiers are optional to be MIRIAM-compliant. I personaly

Re: [cellml-discussion] Biological and other non-model citations in CellML metadata?

2007-03-29 Thread Matt
On 3/29/07, Nicolas Le Novere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Matt wrote: Can you explain in more detail or point to explanations of bqmodel:isDescribedBy? You can find some explanations at: http://www.ebi.ac.uk/compneur-srv/miriam-main/mdb?section=qualifiers So there

Re: [cellml-discussion] Biological and other non-model citations in CellML metadata?

2007-03-28 Thread Matt
I don't think this is a good idea. - I think bioentity should be depreciated, it has not intrinsic semantic value. - If it is used currently, it should be left as its current minimum specification which is to label and point to other bioinformatics database IDs. - The problem is not 'biologically

Re: [cellml-discussion] Biological and other non-model citations in CellML metadata?

2007-03-28 Thread Matt
Melanie! Thanks for your thoughts. You are right about the mess mapping to different ontologies and vocabs produces. We have been working on trying to integrate explicitly with biopax (http://www.biopax.org/ states and generics proposal - level 2 was too limiting) in the hope that other databases