Re: [cellml-discussion] CellML 1.1.1 specification

2007-07-19 Thread Matt
More generally I think this issue is tapping on the bigger issue of a core modelling language and specification, and then special use cases, of which biological modelling would be a particular case of. Without reactions, we pretty much have that core language. My inclination is that biological mo

Re: [cellml-discussion] CellML 1.1.1 specification

2007-07-19 Thread James Lawson
David Nickerson wrote: > Matt wrote: >>> It seems there is some misunderstanding as to whether we are discussing >>> a proposal to remove the reaction element from CellML or a proposed new >>> specification. I thought it was the latter but you seem to be talking >>> about the former... >> >> Both.

Re: [cellml-discussion] CellML 1.1.1 specification

2007-07-19 Thread Alan Garny
> > If we had our specification in a version control system and tagged > out > > releases and release candidates etc, and if we followed a protocol of > > releasing at least one stable minor release that marks depreciation > > only, then the following would be the result (in my mind) > > > > - The

Re: [cellml-discussion] CellML 1.1.1 specification

2007-07-19 Thread David Nickerson
Matt wrote: >> It seems there is some misunderstanding as to whether we are discussing >> a proposal to remove the reaction element from CellML or a proposed new >> specification. I thought it was the latter but you seem to be talking >> about the former... > > > Both. I think. > > So I will try

Re: [cellml-discussion] CellML 1.1.1 specification

2007-07-18 Thread Matt
> > It seems there is some misunderstanding as to whether we are discussing > a proposal to remove the reaction element from CellML or a proposed new > specification. I thought it was the latter but you seem to be talking > about the former... Both. I think. So I will try another explanation. I

Re: [cellml-discussion] CellML 1.1.1 specification

2007-07-18 Thread David Nickerson
> I'm not pretending to understand the CellML version numbering system, > but to serve as an example, would you be suggesting that changes such > as removing a reaction element are a proposal for a future say 1.2 > versions where the namespace is changed? yes. assuming there is a 1.1.1 (or 1.1a) s

Re: [cellml-discussion] CellML 1.1.1 specification

2007-07-18 Thread David Nickerson
Hi Poul, That makes sense to me - although I would call it 1.1.1 rather than 1.1a which to me implies an alpha pre-release of 1.1. Andre. Poul Nielsen wrote: > Dear all > > I think that we are in agreement about the need to signal to the > CellML community that the reaction element is depre

Re: [cellml-discussion] CellML 1.1.1 specification

2007-07-18 Thread Poul Nielsen
Dear all I think that we are in agreement about the need to signal to the CellML community that the reaction element is deprecated. As I mentioned at the CellML meeting, I favour doing this by formally indicating so in the specification. I appreciate that some would like to move quickly on

Re: [cellml-discussion] CellML 1.1.1 specification

2007-07-18 Thread Matt
Hi Andre, I'm not pretending to understand the CellML version numbering system, but to serve as an example, would you be suggesting that changes such as removing a reaction element are a proposal for a future say 1.2 versions where the namespace is changed? Also, if there is something we call the

Re: [cellml-discussion] CellML 1.1.1 specification

2007-07-18 Thread David Nickerson
> I think that we disagree about how the specification process should work > and what it aims to address. I see a given version of a CellML > specification as being a 'protocol' which both tools and model authors > speak, therefore allowing them to interwork. All I'm trying to point out is that

Re: [cellml-discussion] CellML 1.1.1 specification

2007-07-18 Thread Andrew Miller
David Nickerson wrote: >> Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that nothing in the text of the >> CellML 1.1 specification says that reactions will or will not be >> deprecated in any future version of CellML, and therefore there is no >> need for an erratum to CellML 1.1 (and indeed, such an

Re: [cellml-discussion] CellML 1.1.1 specification

2007-07-18 Thread David Nickerson
> Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that nothing in the text of the > CellML 1.1 specification says that reactions will or will not be > deprecated in any future version of CellML, and therefore there is no > need for an erratum to CellML 1.1 (and indeed, such an erratum would be > inappr

[cellml-discussion] CellML 1.1.1 specification

2007-07-18 Thread Andrew Miller
David Nickerson wrote: > Andrew Miller wrote: > >> David Nickerson wrote: >> From what I gather, publicity. We need some way to direct people's attention to our intention to deprecate reaction elements. >>> sure - but its still not clear to me if 1.1.1 is m