Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Quick recovery and fix for unbootable machines

2020-08-02 Thread Mark LaPierre
On 8/1/20 10:21 PM, Alan McRae via CentOS wrote: This is a quick recovery and fix for the machines rendered unbootable after the grub2/shim yum update. It is written for CentOS 8.2.2004 but similar should work for any CentOS 8 or 7 as long as you get the correct shim file, that is, the one

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread John Pierce
On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 7:14 PM Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Jonathan Billings said: > > On Aug 2, 2020, at 14:43, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > You don't have to use UEFI secure booting - most machines can fall back > > > to legacy booting using BIOS settings. If you do that, you won't use

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Jonathan Billings said: > On Aug 2, 2020, at 14:43, Pete Biggs wrote: > > You don't have to use UEFI secure booting - most machines can fall back > > to legacy booting using BIOS settings. If you do that, you won't use > > any Microsoft signed code. > > Back in 2017, Intel

[CentOS] GUI boot failure after latest shim (etc) updates

2020-08-02 Thread Fred Smith
This isn't the problem everyone else has been talking about, but... I made sure that yum update offered the packages Johnny said it should then updated. when I rebooted everything looked normal except it was taking a long time to bring up the login screen. Flipped over to ALT-F2 and saw a

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread Pete Biggs
> > You just need to reinstall the kernel and it should work. > > Is it possible to bump the kernel version number to make sure the kernel gets re-installed on automated installs? Or would this break the compatibility with RHEL? P. ___ CentOS

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 8/2/20 4:11 PM, John Pierce wrote: isn't it more that they simply won't work with newer boots that were signed by the new keys? and the updated BIOS's won't boot older OS versions that weren't signed by the new keys? I don't know if the Secure Boot PKI has a publicly documented

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread Leon Fauster via CentOS
Am 02.08.20 um 04:15 schrieb Kay Schenk: Questions re this statement in the ZDNET article -- "In all cases, users reported that downgrading systems to a previous release to reverse the BootHole patches usually fixed their problems." A previous release of what? GRUB2 So that's my first

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Aug 2, 2020, at 14:43, Pete Biggs wrote: > You don't have to use UEFI secure booting - most machines can fall back > to legacy booting using BIOS settings. If you do that, you won't use > any Microsoft signed code. Back in 2017, Intel said that it was going to deprecate the “Legacy” CSM by

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread John Pierce
On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 3:54 PM Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 8/2/20 1:19 PM, John Pierce wrote: > > One of the things that bugs me about PKI trust chains like this, what > > happens if the unthinkable happens, and Microsoft's RootCA gets > compromised > > and has to be revoked... does that mean

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 8/2/20 1:19 PM, John Pierce wrote: One of the things that bugs me about PKI trust chains like this, what happens if the unthinkable happens, and Microsoft's RootCA gets compromised and has to be revoked... does that mean every single piece of UEFI hardware out there needs a BIOS upgrade?

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 at 18:13, Robert G (Doc) Savage via CentOS wrote: > > -Original Message- > From: Stephen John Smoogen > Reply-To: CentOS mailing list > To: CentOS mailing list > Subject: Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2020

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread Robert G (Doc) Savage via CentOS
-Original Message- From: Stephen John Smoogen Reply-To: CentOS mailing list To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2020 10:57:49 -0400 On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 at 10:20, david wrote: > > I agree it is a lot of

Re: [CentOS] Fwd: 8.2.2004 Quick recovery and fix for unbootable machines with rescue disk

2020-08-02 Thread Kay Schenk
Thanks Greg! Very clear! ___ Sent from MzK's phone. On Sun, Aug 2, 2020, 14:07 Gregory P. Ennis wrote: > Hello all-- > These instructions are somewhat OK but my messed up box is the only one > I've got basically to help with this problem. > > Where can we find "correction"

Re: [CentOS] Fwd: 8.2.2004 Quick recovery and fix for unbootable machines with rescue disk

2020-08-02 Thread Gregory P. Ennis
Hello all-- These instructions are somewhat OK but my messed up box is the only one I've got basically to help with this problem. Where can we find "correction" instructions using a "rescue" CD or flash drive? I understand RedHat provided detailed instructions to supported customers. Thanks.

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread John Pierce
On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 1:01 PM Phil Perry wrote: > I believe Microsoft signs the shim which then becomes the trusted > authority and embeds RH (or CentOS) signing cert, so (I believe) every > release of the shim needs to be signed by Microsoft. So it's not quite > as efficient as MS signing a

[CentOS] Fwd: 8.2.2004 Quick recovery and fix for unbootable machines

2020-08-02 Thread Kay Schenk
Hello all-- These instructions are somewhat OK but my messed up box is the only one I've got basically to help with this problem. Where can we find "correction" instructions using a "rescue" CD or flash drive? I understand RedHat provided detailed instructions to supported customers. Thanks.

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread Phil Perry
On 02/08/2020 19:54, John Pierce wrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 11:45 AM Phil Perry wrote: On 02/08/2020 16:26, Valeri Galtsev wrote: On the side note: it is Microsoft that signs one of Linux packages now. We seem to have made one more step away from “our” computers being _our computers_.

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread John Pierce
On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 11:45 AM Phil Perry wrote: > On 02/08/2020 16:26, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > > On the side note: it is Microsoft that signs one of Linux packages now. > We seem to have made one more step away from “our” computers being _our > computers_. Am I wrong? > > > > Valeri > > >

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread Phil Perry
On 02/08/2020 16:26, Valeri Galtsev wrote: On the side note: it is Microsoft that signs one of Linux packages now. We seem to have made one more step away from “our” computers being _our computers_. Am I wrong? Valeri Microsoft are the Certificate Authority for SecureBoot and most

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread Pete Biggs
> On the side note: it is Microsoft that signs one of Linux packages > now. We seem to have made one more step away from “our” computers > being _our computers_. Am I wrong? > Secure booting using UEFI requires that the code is signed - that is the "secure" bit. Microsoft are the CA for that

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 at 13:35, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > > > Il 02/08/20 19:09, Alessandro Baggi ha scritto: > > > > Il 02/08/20 18:54, Stephen John Smoogen ha scritto: > >> On a side note, you keep emphasizing you aren't expecting an SLA.. but > >> all your questions are what someone asks to have

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread Alessandro Baggi
Il 02/08/20 19:22, Valeri Galtsev ha scritto: On 8/2/20 12:09 PM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: Il 02/08/20 18:54, Stephen John Smoogen ha scritto: On a side note, you keep emphasizing you aren't expecting an SLA.. but all your questions are what someone asks to have in a defined SLA. I have

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread Alessandro Baggi
Il 02/08/20 19:09, Alessandro Baggi ha scritto: Il 02/08/20 18:54, Stephen John Smoogen ha scritto: On a side note, you keep emphasizing you aren't expecting an SLA.. but all your questions are what someone asks to have in a defined SLA. I have done the same thing in the past when things

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On 8/2/20 12:09 PM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: Il 02/08/20 18:54, Stephen John Smoogen ha scritto: On a side note, you keep emphasizing you aren't expecting an SLA.. but all your questions are what someone asks to have in a defined SLA. I have done the same thing in the past when things have

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread Alessandro Baggi
Il 02/08/20 18:54, Stephen John Smoogen ha scritto: On a side note, you keep emphasizing you aren't expecting an SLA.. but all your questions are what someone asks to have in a defined SLA. I have done the same thing in the past when things have gone badly, but couching it in 'I am not asking'

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Sun, Aug 02, 2020 at 07:16:25AM -0700, david wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > You just need to reinstall the kernel and it should work. > > > > Sorry for being so ignorant, but I don't understand "just reinstall the > kernel". I don't know how to translate that into a specific yum or rpm >

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread Alessandro Baggi
Il 02/08/20 15:10, Marc Balmer via CentOS ha scritto: Thanks for acting quickly, especially on a weekend. This. +1 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 at 12:08, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > > Hi Johnny, > thank you for your answer. I always accepted release cycle of CentOS > without any problem (maybe with EL8 but it is ok). > > I don't need SLA and I don't blame anyone for this, errors can occour. For > example in this story, I

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread Alessandro Baggi
Hi Johnny, thank you for your answer. I always accepted release cycle of CentOS without any problem (maybe with EL8 but it is ok). I don't need SLA and I don't blame anyone for this, errors can occour. For example in this story, I applied blindly updates without check what and how so really I ran

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread Valeri Galtsev
> On Aug 2, 2020, at 9:14 AM, Gregory P. Ennis wrote: > > On 8/2/20 2:47 AM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: >> >> Il 02/08/20 00:42, Mike McCarthy, W1NR ha scritto: >>> It appears that it is affecting multiple distributions including Debian >>> and Ubuntu so it looks like the grub2 team messed up.

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 at 11:06, david wrote: > > > Sorry for being so ignorant, but I don't > > > understand "just reinstall the kernel". I don't > > > know how to translate that into a specific yum or rpm command. > > > >I agree it is a lot of shorthand because of expectations. In the end > >we

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread Jason Pyeron
> From: david > Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 10:16 AM > > >> Yes .. it should be on mirror.centos.org now .. you could change the > > >> repo where your updates come from. OR .. wait for that mirror to get > > >> updated. > > > > > > > > > I just did > > > yum clean all > > > yum update > > > >

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread david
At 07:57 AM 8/2/2020, you wrote: On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 at 10:20, david wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> Yes .. it should be on mirror.centos.org now .. you could change the > > >> repo where your updates come from. OR .. wait for that mirror to get > > >> updated. > > > > > > > > > I just did >

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 at 10:20, david wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> Yes .. it should be on mirror.centos.org now .. you could change the > > >> repo where your updates come from. OR .. wait for that mirror to get > > >> updated. > > > > > > > > > I just did > > > yum clean all > > > yum update > >

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread david
>> Yes .. it should be on mirror.centos.org now .. you could change the >> repo where your updates come from. OR .. wait for that mirror to get >> updated. > > > I just did > yum clean all > yum update > > and 15-8 showed up. Maybe the 'clean all' did it, or maybe just showed up.

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread david
>> Yes .. it should be on mirror.centos.org now .. you could change the >> repo where your updates come from. OR .. wait for that mirror to get >> updated. > > > I just did > yum clean all > yum update > > and 15-8 showed up. Maybe the 'clean all' did it, or maybe just showed up.

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread Marc Balmer via CentOS
> Is the latest update : > shim-x64 x86_64 15-7.el7_9 No. 15-8 is. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread Gregory P. Ennis
On 8/2/20 2:47 AM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > > Il 02/08/20 00:42, Mike McCarthy, W1NR ha scritto: > > It appears that it is affecting multiple distributions including Debian > > and Ubuntu so it looks like the grub2 team messed up. See > > > >

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 8/2/20 8:47 AM, david wrote: > At 06:37 AM 8/2/2020, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> On 8/2/20 8:30 AM, david wrote: >> > At 06:10 AM 8/2/2020, you wrote: >> >> On 8/2/20 8:04 AM, david wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > I'll post here again once we have pushed the EL8 and

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread david
At 06:37 AM 8/2/2020, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 8/2/20 8:30 AM, david wrote: > At 06:10 AM 8/2/2020, you wrote: >> On 8/2/20 8:04 AM, david wrote: >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > I'll post here again once we have pushed the EL8 and CentOS Stream >> >> updates. >> >> >> >> OK .. I have also now

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 8/2/20 8:30 AM, david wrote: > At 06:10 AM 8/2/2020, you wrote: >> On 8/2/20 8:04 AM, david wrote: >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > I'll post here again once we have pushed the EL8 and CentOS Stream >> >> updates. >> >> >> >> OK .. I have also now pushed the CentOS Linux 8 update .. you >>

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread david
At 06:10 AM 8/2/2020, you wrote: On 8/2/20 8:04 AM, david wrote: > >> > > > >> > I'll post here again once we have pushed the EL8 and CentOS Stream >> updates. >> >> OK .. I have also now pushed the CentOS Linux 8 update .. you should see >> an update to SHIM .. the new versions are: >> >>

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 8/2/20 8:12 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 8/2/20 8:10 AM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote: Please report both positive and negative results. >>> >>> A previously afftected Aures nino POS-terminal boots just fine with CentOS >>> 7 and shim 15.8. >>> >>> Now I will test an affected

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 8/2/20 8:10 AM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote: >>> >>> Please report both positive and negative results. >> >> A previously afftected Aures nino POS-terminal boots just fine with CentOS 7 >> and shim 15.8. >> >> Now I will test an affected machine (Aures Twist POS terminal) that runs >> CentOS

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 8/2/20 8:04 AM, david wrote: > >> > > > >> > I'll post here again once we have pushed the EL8 and CentOS Stream >> updates. >> >> OK .. I have also now pushed the CentOS Linux 8 update .. you should see >> an update to SHIM .. the new versions are: >> >>

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread Marc Balmer via CentOS
>> >> Please report both positive and negative results. > > A previously afftected Aures nino POS-terminal boots just fine with CentOS 7 > and shim 15.8. > > Now I will test an affected machine (Aures Twist POS terminal) that runs > CentOS 8 (well, usually runs CentOS 8, but not now, since it

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread david
> I'll post here again once we have pushed the EL8 and CentOS Stream updates. OK .. I have also now pushed the CentOS Linux 8 update .. you should see an update to SHIM .. the new versions are: PowerTools/x86_64/os/Packages/shim-unsigned-x64-15-8.el8.x86_64.rpm

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 8/2/20 2:47 AM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > > Il 02/08/20 00:42, Mike McCarthy, W1NR ha scritto: >> It appears that it is affecting multiple distributions including Debian >> and Ubuntu so it looks like the grub2 team messed up. See >> >>

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread Marc Balmer via CentOS
> Am 02.08.2020 um 14:34 schrieb Johnny Hughes : > > On 8/2/20 6:59 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: >>> On 8/2/20 2:04 AM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: >>> >>> Il 01/08/20 22:03, Greg Bailey ha scritto: On 8/1/20 6:56 AM, david wrote: > At 02:54 AM 8/1/2020, Alessandro Baggi wrote: >> Hi

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 8/2/20 6:59 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 8/2/20 2:04 AM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: >> >> Il 01/08/20 22:03, Greg Bailey ha scritto: >>> On 8/1/20 6:56 AM, david wrote: At 02:54 AM 8/1/2020, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > Hi Johnny, > thank you very much for clarification. > > You

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 8/2/20 7:06 AM, Robert Heller wrote: > At Sun, 2 Aug 2020 06:59:06 -0500 CentOS mailing list > wrote: > >> >> >> >> On 8/2/20 2:04 AM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: >>> >>> Il 01/08/20 22:03, Greg Bailey ha scritto: On 8/1/20 6:56 AM, david wrote: > At 02:54 AM 8/1/2020, Alessandro Baggi

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread Robert Heller
At Sun, 2 Aug 2020 06:59:06 -0500 CentOS mailing list wrote: > > > > On 8/2/20 2:04 AM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > > > > Il 01/08/20 22:03, Greg Bailey ha scritto: > >> On 8/1/20 6:56 AM, david wrote: > >>> At 02:54 AM 8/1/2020, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > Hi Johnny, > thank you very

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 8/2/20 2:04 AM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > > Il 01/08/20 22:03, Greg Bailey ha scritto: >> On 8/1/20 6:56 AM, david wrote: >>> At 02:54 AM 8/1/2020, Alessandro Baggi wrote: Hi Johnny, thank you very much for clarification. You said that in the centos infrastructure only one

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread Patrick Bégou
Le 02/08/2020 à 09:47, Alessandro Baggi a écrit : > > Il 02/08/20 00:42, Mike McCarthy, W1NR ha scritto: >> It appears that it is affecting multiple distributions including Debian >> and Ubuntu so it looks like the grub2 team messed up. See >> >>

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread Alessandro Baggi
Hi Paride, I also have a debian 10 on a workstation and some VMs for test purpose. Probably you updated after the grub-regression update but I noticed several stories about debian breakage. Il 02/08/20 01:13, paride desimone ha scritto: I use debian buster on my old notebook, an asus f3ja

Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update

2020-08-02 Thread Alessandro Baggi
Il 02/08/20 00:42, Mike McCarthy, W1NR ha scritto: It appears that it is affecting multiple distributions including Debian and Ubuntu so it looks like the grub2 team messed up. See https://www.zdnet.com/article/boothole-fixes-causing-boot-problems-across-multiple-linux-distros/ Mike On

Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable

2020-08-02 Thread Alessandro Baggi
Il 01/08/20 22:03, Greg Bailey ha scritto: On 8/1/20 6:56 AM, david wrote: At 02:54 AM 8/1/2020, Alessandro Baggi wrote: Hi Johnny, thank you very much for clarification. You said that in the centos infrastructure only one server got the problem. What are the conditions that permit the