Greetings,
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net wrote:
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:13 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
yum install gstreamer*
Is yum install vlc* better that gstreamer?
Ignorant queation:
And whch repos should be included 1. for gstreamer and 2.
Rajagopal Swaminathan wrote:
Greetings,
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net wrote:
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:13 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
yum install gstreamer*
Is yum install vlc* better that gstreamer?
Ignorant queation:
And whch repos should
Ljubomir The Wise wrote:
Short version (I am hungry):
Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux
administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows
users) says that in order to convert (reluctant) Windows user you have
to fully
replicate Windows environment
On Monday, July 11, 2011 10:03 PM, Brunner, Brian T. wrote:
Ljubomir The Wise wrote:
Short version (I am hungry):
Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux
administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows
users) says that in order to convert (reluctant)
Brunner, Brian T. wrote:
Ljubomir The Wise wrote:
Short version (I am hungry):
Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux
administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows
users) says that in order to convert (reluctant) Windows user you have
to fully
centos-boun...@centos.org wrote:
On Monday, July 11, 2011 10:03 PM, Brunner, Brian T. wrote:
Ljubomir The Wise wrote:
Short version (I am hungry):
Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux
administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows
users) says that
Brunner, Brian T. wrote:
centos-boun...@centos.org wrote:
On Monday, July 11, 2011 10:03 PM, Brunner, Brian T. wrote:
Ljubomir The Wise wrote:
Short version (I am hungry):
Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux
administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by
On Monday, July 11, 2011 11:09 PM, Brunner, Brian T. wrote:
centos-boun...@centos.org wrote:
On Monday, July 11, 2011 10:03 PM, Brunner, Brian T. wrote:
Ljubomir The Wise wrote:
Short version (I am hungry):
Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux
administration
Ron Blizzard wrote:
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net wrote:
The truth is my mp3 playing ability was installed about a year ago when
I was first introduced to Centos and I experienced a very rapid and
steep learning curve (which I successfully overcame as
On 09/07/2011 23:20, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
Craig White wrote:
The reality is that applications are becoming more and more web based
SAAS and as the costs of specific applications needed on specific
platforms (ie, Quickbooks) rise, web based SAAS will replace them. The
point is that for end
John R. Dennison wrote:
Symantec is garbage and has been for many years. Don't care for
Kaspersky from past use, but that was indeed KAV as I've not used
anything else from them. Perhaps I should evaluate their KIS offering.
I've had absolutely no trouble whatsoever with Avast other than
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic off...@plnet.rs wrote:
That is exactly why I intend to create Desktop version, regular CentOS
with additional repositories and virtual package(s) pulling necessary
real packages. If launched from main menu it could be done as an add-on
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Giles Coochey gi...@coochey.net wrote:
Actually, I think first major Cloud player to be majorly hacked will be a
double whammy to kill off the 'cloud' mentality:
At least the following two will occur:
* Everyone will question the security and privacy of
On 10/07/2011 10:40, Ron Blizzard wrote:
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Giles Coocheygi...@coochey.net wrote:
Can your company afford to be without your apps and data for a couple of
weeks, while some hacker organisation has it?
I think not.
But it's not like you can't do both. The Cloud
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 10:59 PM, Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net wrote:
Hoi Rudi,
CentOS is great as a server OS, but it won't replace our accountant's
Windows 7 desktop - the amount of technical compatibilies issues we're
going to sit with is just not worth it.
Don't use a jack
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Giles Coochey gi...@coochey.net wrote:
On 10/07/2011 10:40, Ron Blizzard wrote:
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Giles Coocheygi...@coochey.net wrote:
Can your company afford to be without your apps and data for a couple of
weeks, while some hacker
On 10/07/2011 11:22, Ron Blizzard wrote:
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Giles Coocheygi...@coochey.net wrote:
Well, do both then, but at double the cost!! The whole point to CEOs
and CFOs about going with the Cloud is that they will save money on
IT infrastructure and possibly get rid of
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 4:32 AM, Giles Coochey gi...@coochey.net wrote:
The reference to 'porn' was meant to be a light hearted reference to 'your
personal stuff', as opposed to 'your work stuff'.
Okay, you've made good points. Sorry about over-reacting. I'll
eventually learn that a CentOS
On 10/07/2011 11:40, Ron Blizzard wrote:
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 4:32 AM, Giles Coocheygi...@coochey.net wrote:
The reference to 'porn' was meant to be a light hearted reference to 'your
personal stuff', as opposed to 'your work stuff'.
Okay, you've made good points. Sorry about
On Sunday, July 10, 2011 03:46 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
Also worth mentioning is that there is Kaspersky for Linux Workstations
and Servers, and even for the Mac:
http://www.kaspersky.com/applications_list
Aw, nobody put in a word for NOD32 from Eset?
Christopher Chan wrote:
On Sunday, July 10, 2011 03:46 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
Also worth mentioning is that there is Kaspersky for Linux Workstations
and Servers, and even for the Mac:
http://www.kaspersky.com/applications_list
Aw, nobody put in a word for NOD32 from Eset?
Well, I
On Sunday, July 10, 2011 09:52 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
Christopher Chan wrote:
On Sunday, July 10, 2011 03:46 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
Also worth mentioning is that there is Kaspersky for Linux Workstations
and Servers, and even for the Mac:
On Sunday, July 10, 2011 05:50 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
I must be the only one keeping entire/beggining of the conversation in
mind why replying. Either that or I am nutz.
Which one would you have us believe? :p
But seriously, one thing you have to understand is that threads always
Christopher Chan wrote:
But seriously, one thing you have to understand is that threads always
drift. People have different takes on what it is that is in the way of
the mass adoption of the Linux desktop. Everybody has their pet app that
would singlehandedly put Linux on the desktop. Like
On Sunday, July 10, 2011 05:12 AM, John R. Dennison wrote:
On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 02:05:26PM -0700, Craig White wrote:
The reality is that applications are becoming more and more web based
SAAS and as the costs of specific applications needed on specific
platforms (ie, Quickbooks) rise, web
Always Learning wrote:
May I suggest that all us very grateful users of Centos make 6 copies of
Centos 6.0 (either i386 or/and X64) and hand then out to friends,
colleagues or strangers (unknown members of the public) who might be
interested in trying Centos ?
I already have several friends
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:13 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
But you should also be prepared to help them with install and primary
setup, like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs
and similar.
One of the most useful things I discovered was:-
yum install gstreamer*
On 09/07/2011 20:13, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
I already have several friends lined up for installation. But you
should also be prepared to help them with install and primary setup,
like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs and
similar. Ljubomir
And the next ten years or
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:18 +0200, Giles Coochey wrote:
I do like Linux over other operating systems, but I wouldn't wish it
on any of my non-techie friends...
CentOS is what I primarily work on for Server Labs, not usually
desktop environments anyway.
One of my friends, a lady, not
Always Learning wrote:
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:13 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
But you should also be prepared to help them with install and primary
setup, like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs
and similar.
One of the most useful things I discovered was:-
yum
Giles Coochey wrote:
On 09/07/2011 20:13, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
I already have several friends lined up for installation. But you
should also be prepared to help them with install and primary setup,
like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs and
similar. Ljubomir
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:25 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
Always Learning wrote:
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:13 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
But you should also be prepared to help them with install and primary
setup, like adding third party repositories for audio/video codecs
and
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Giles Coochey wrote:
To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
From: Giles Coochey gi...@coochey.net
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On 09/07/2011 20:13, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
I already have several friends lined up for installation
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Always Learning wrote:
To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
From: Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:25 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
Always Learning wrote:
On Sat, 2011-07-09
Always Learning wrote:
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:25 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
Most but not all. Windows users have only mp3 music, especially if they
have illegal copies like 90% of people in South East Europe. For those
you need non-free codecs.
If MP3 music 'works' (meaning it
Keith Roberts wrote:
I'm *very* tempted to start again with a fresh install, and
forget the updates - they don't do much anyway!
There is Autopatcher software, free. It downloads all updates from M$
site you might need and then you start the process of silent
installation of patches. It can
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:42 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
Always Learning wrote:
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:25 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
Most but not all. Windows users have only mp3 music, especially if they
have illegal copies like 90% of people in South East Europe. For those
B.J. McClure wrote:
Here is my setup which includes a few packages from rpmforge. Same
setup on a dozen desktops with various hardware. All play mp3.
~]$ rpm -qa | grep gstreamer
gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.11-1.el6.rf.x86_64
phonon-backend-gstreamer-4.6.2-17.el6.x86_64
On Saturday, July 09, 2011 02:25:12 PM Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
Most but not all. Windows users have only mp3 music, especially if they
have illegal copies like 90% of people in South East Europe. For those
you need non-free codecs.
It's not free, but Fluendo has a zero-cost MP3 decoder
Keith Roberts wrote:
I get all my extra codes from here:
rpm -ivh
http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/mplayer-codecs-20061022-1.i386.rpm
rpm -ivh
http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/mplayer-codecs-extra-20061022-1.i386.rpm
I can play most audio and video
Always Learning wrote:
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 20:18 +0200, Giles Coochey wrote:
I do like Linux over other operating systems, but I wouldn't wish it
on any of my non-techie friends...
CentOS is what I primarily work on for Server Labs, not usually
desktop environments anyway.
One of my
I plan on creating CentOS 6.0 Desktop off-spin, changing only release
package to add priorities and enable Plus and Extras repositories
Let me know how that Extra repo addition goes:)
___
CentOS mailing list
CentOS@centos.org
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 21:09 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
B.J. McClure wrote:
Here is my setup which includes a few packages from rpmforge. Same
setup on a dozen desktops with various hardware. All play mp3.
~]$ rpm -qa | grep gstreamer
gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.11-1.el6.rf.x86_64
On 07/09/2011 08:31 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
I plan on creating CentOS 6.0 Desktop off-spin, changing only release
package to add priorities and enable Plus and Extras repositories, and
then add few selected third party repositories and/or hosting some extra
packages not available via
Lamar Owen wrote:
On Saturday, July 09, 2011 02:25:12 PM Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
Most but not all. Windows users have only mp3 music, especially if they
have illegal copies like 90% of people in South East Europe. For those
you need non-free codecs.
It's not free, but Fluendo has a
b.j. mcclure wrote:
RPMForge is not the base/official repo, and you are using -ugly-
package for MP3
Gee, I think I mentioned that in the first line of my post.
Quote:
GStreamer Ugly Plug-ins is a set of plug-ins that have good quality and
correct functionality, but distributing them
Joseph L. Casale wrote:
I plan on creating CentOS 6.0 Desktop off-spin, changing only release
package to add priorities and enable Plus and Extras repositories
Let me know how that Extra repo addition goes:)
Ups. I am getting tired of replying tonight so... well I had in my mind
that
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
From: Ljubomir Ljubojevic off...@plnet.rs
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
Keith Roberts wrote:
I'm *very* tempted to start again with a fresh install, and
forget
On Saturday, July 09, 2011 03:55:43 PM Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
Lamar Owen wrote:
It's not free, but Fluendo has a zero-cost MP3 decoder for the gstreamer
framework. www.fluendo.com
But I assume it is still not part of the official repository since it is
not open source which means it
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net wrote:
May I suggest that all us very grateful users of Centos make 6 copies of
Centos 6.0 (either i386 or/and X64) and hand then out to friends,
colleagues or strangers (unknown members of the public) who might be
interested
Keith Roberts wrote:
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
There is Autopatcher software, free. It downloads all updates from M$
site you might need and then you start the process of silent
installation of patches. It can take 3-4 hours to update everithing (IE,
Adobe, .Net, ...) but
Hi Ljubomir,
If MP3 music 'works' (meaning it successfully plays on Centos/Gnome) why
would additional codecs be required ?
Does it? It was not my experience on either CentOS or Fedora. MP3 codecs
are proprietary, and are not distributed by Red Hat distro's (RHEL and
Fedora)
I have
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 21:09 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
RPMForge is not the base/official repo, and you are using -ugly-
package for MP3
Quote:
GStreamer Ugly Plug-ins is a set of plug-ins that have good quality and
correct functionality, but distributing them might pose
Always Learning wrote:
Hi Ljubomir,
If MP3 music 'works' (meaning it successfully plays on Centos/Gnome) why
would additional codecs be required ?
Does it? It was not my experience on either CentOS or Fedora. MP3 codecs
are proprietary, and are not distributed by Red Hat distro's (RHEL
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 22:00 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
This whole thong started from third party repos and @Always Learning
insisting MP3 is supported from official RHEL/CentOS repos:
I do not believe I suggested mp3 is supported by ANY repo.
I did mention ...
One of the most
Always Learning wrote:
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 21:09 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
RPMForge is not the base/official repo, and you are using -ugly-
package for MP3
Quote:
GStreamer Ugly Plug-ins is a set of plug-ins that have good quality and
correct functionality, but
Always Learning wrote:
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 22:00 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
This whole thong started from third party repos and @Always Learning
insisting MP3 is supported from official RHEL/CentOS repos:
I do not believe I suggested mp3 is supported by ANY repo.
I did mention
Hoi Rudi,
CentOS is great as a server OS, but it won't replace our accountant's
Windows 7 desktop - the amount of technical compatibilies issues we're
going to sit with is just not worth it.
Don't use a jack hammer to drive in a nail :)
Centos 5.5 works well for my non-computer
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 22:22 +0200, Rudi Ahlers wrote:
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net
wrote:
May I suggest that all us very grateful users of Centos make 6
copies of
Centos 6.0 (either i386 or/and X64) and hand then out
On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 02:05:26PM -0700, Craig White wrote:
The reality is that applications are becoming more and more web based
SAAS and as the costs of specific applications needed on specific
platforms (ie, Quickbooks) rise, web based SAAS will replace them. The
point is that for end
Hi Ljubomir,
RPMForge is Dag and friends (uit Belgie). Many including me regard Dag
enz. as a wonderful and very useful part of the wider Centos project.
Short version (I am hungry):
Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux
administration and usage as a
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 22:58 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
But MP3 support in your case came from RPMForge package
(gstreamer-plugins-ugly). I have seen later that you were not aware of
that, but that statement on clean CentOS with only official repos would
be a false one.
The truth
Craig White wrote:
The reality is that applications are becoming more and more web based
SAAS and as the costs of specific applications needed on specific
platforms (ie, Quickbooks) rise, web based SAAS will replace them. The
point is that for end users, the OS is eventually going to become
On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 10:14:28PM +0100, Always Learning wrote:
Its time for the world to drift away from the M$ Windoze expensive
nightmare. Centos is a very good alternative.
While that might be true, the reality of the situation is different.
Until you can provide a seamless drop-in
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
***snip***
Short version (I am hungry):
Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux
administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows users) says
that in order to convert (reluctant) Windows user you have to
John R. Dennison wrote:
On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 10:14:28PM +0100, Always Learning wrote:
Its time for the world to drift away from the M$ Windoze expensive
nightmare. Centos is a very good alternative.
While that might be true, the reality of the situation is different.
Until you can
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Always Learning wrote:
***snip***
Dosbox is excellent running pure M$ DOS programmes.
Virtualbox and Wine can also help.
A few years ago my neighbour knocked on my door with a DVD
or CD in his hand. He said it was a freebie and was supposed
to run on his M$ Xbox, but it
Keith Roberts wrote:
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
***snip***
Short version (I am hungry):
Experience (19 years of Windows phone support and 5 years of Linux
administration and usage as a desktop surrounded by Windows users) says
that in order to convert (reluctant)
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 23:27 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:#
Well, larger and lager fear of malware, trojans and regular viruses is
excellent motivator. Especially when you add need to pay for good
AV/IS solution. My country men are poor and paying even 20 EUR per
year for good AV/IS
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
From: Ljubomir Ljubojevic off...@plnet.rs
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
Keith Roberts wrote:
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
***snip***
Short version (I
On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 11:27:52PM +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
Well, larger and lager fear of malware, trojans and regular viruses is
excellent motivator. Especially when you add need to pay for good AV/IS
solution. My country men are poor and paying even 20 EUR per year for
good
Always Learning wrote:
You will probably find that all USA anti-virus products have included a
backdoor for at least the last ~15 years or longer. Uncle Sam wants to
see inside your computer. Google tracks your browsing especially via
Firefox. Why else would Google give Mozilla USD 50 million
On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 10:36:02PM +0100, Always Learning wrote:
You will probably find that all USA anti-virus products have included a
backdoor for at least the last ~15 years or longer. Uncle Sam wants to
see inside your computer. Google tracks your browsing especially via
Firefox. Why
Keith Roberts wrote:
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
From: Ljubomir Ljubojevic off...@plnet.rs
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Celebrating Centos 6.0 Day World-wide
Keith Roberts wrote:
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
***snip
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 23:43 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
That is why I only install Kaspersky Internet Security on any Windows
PC requesting security software.
You must remember the wave of German Country and City computer
networks converting to Linux. It was because they have seen
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 16:45 -0500, John R. Dennison wrote:
Glad to see you've got your tin hat on. Any more conspiracy theories
you'd like to share?
Those with functioning brains should be able to realise the consequences
of over-surveillance of civilian communities especially in times of
John R. Dennison wrote:
On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 11:27:52PM +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
Well, larger and lager fear of malware, trojans and regular viruses is
excellent motivator. Especially when you add need to pay for good AV/IS
solution. My country men are poor and paying even 20 EUR
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:00:03AM +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
Neah. I am talking on how those free AV's are not worth the time spent
in installing them. Only heavy-hitters like KIS (KAV not so much)
Symantec NIS and one or two others are capable to stop really nasty bug
taking
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net wrote:
Experience 44 years - it makes me seem old :-( as computer programmer
and the usual collection of other computer posts/tasks/assignments I
truly believe with Centos and Gnome 90% of ordinary M$ Windoze users
have what
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net wrote:
The truth is my mp3 playing ability was installed about a year ago when
I was first introduced to Centos and I experienced a very rapid and
steep learning curve (which I successfully overcame as usual). I do not
know
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 4:21 PM, John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com wrote:
While that might be true, the reality of the situation is different.
Until you can provide a seamless drop-in replacement for Windows that
does not require a change in work-flow habits learned over the course
of, for
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic off...@plnet.rs wrote:
Well, larger and lager fear of malware, trojans and regular viruses is
excellent motivator. Especially when you add need to pay for good AV/IS
solution. My country men are poor and paying even 20 EUR per year for
good
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 21:43 -0500, Ron Blizzard wrote:
For me, personally, I went completely to Linux about three years ago.
I never was a big game player and *never* liked M$ Office. I used
WordStar for DOS for years, then went to Lotus SmartSuite before
moving to Linux.
I used Ami Pro 3
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 4:45 PM, John R. Dennison j...@gerdesas.com wrote:
On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 10:36:02PM +0100, Always Learning wrote:
You will probably find that all USA anti-virus products have included a
backdoor for at least the last ~15 years or longer. Uncle Sam wants to
see inside
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net wrote:
On Sat, 2011-07-09 at 16:45 -0500, John R. Dennison wrote:
Glad to see you've got your tin hat on. Any more conspiracy theories
you'd like to share?
Those with functioning brains should be able to realise the
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Always Learning cen...@u6.u22.net wrote:
I used Ami Pro 3 (from 1993) until I totally switched to Centos last
year.
I liked Word Pro (never went as far back as Ami Pro) because it was
cleaner than Office or WordPerfect. At first I tried WordStar for
Windows,
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