Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 5:14 AM Gionatan Danti wrote: > While I fully understand & agree on the motivation for keeping Rocky > (and other clones) 1:1 with Red Hat, it should be understood that > current RHEL packages selection itself is drifting away from > small/medium business needs. So the

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 7/8/21 12:39 PM, Zube wrote: On Thu Jul 08 12:32:53 PM, mark wrote: I'm reminded of a column in SysAdmin, a long time ago. Seems the woman who wrote? contributed? to the column Daemons and Dragons was wearing a t-shirt with the logo, and she was traveling with some folks in the US South.

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Once upon a time, Gionatan Danti said: > While I fully understand & agree on the motivation for keeping Rocky > (and other clones) 1:1 with Red Hat, it should be understood that > current RHEL packages selection itself is drifting away from > small/medium business needs. So the core issue is a

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

from small/medium business needs. So the core issue is a more fundamental one: Red Hat, our upstream, is walking away from traditional server needs. IMHO, this is a more fundamental discussion, which is beyond future CentOS versions and alternative RHEL-compatible projects and it deserves a sepa

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ssue is a more fundamental one: Red Hat, our upstream, is walking away from traditional server needs. IMHO, this is a more fundamental discussion, which is beyond future CentOS versions and alternative RHEL-compatible projects and it deserves a separate thread. In any case, I think that the exist

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

Il 2021-07-08 23:21 J. Adam Craig ha scritto: Well said. It is worth pointing out also that, while Kurtzer and other Rocky community leads are devoted to keeping Rocky 1:1 with upstream, they are also committed to engaging with the CentOS Stream community themselves (if they find a bug in

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 7/8/21 11:13 PM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: This being said, things have changed, and Microsoft is now - amongst other things - the most important contributor to the Linux kernel in sheer terms of lines of code. I don't think that's true. Microsoft has, infrequently, appeared in the top 5 for

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 09/07/2021 07:13, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: Le 08/07/2021 à 22:53, mario juliano grande-balletta a écrit : I'm an idealist, there is no way in hell I would ever accept anything from Amazon or Microsoft I started with Linux back in 2001, the year where Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer called Linux

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Le 08/07/2021 à 22:53, mario juliano grande-balletta a écrit : > I'm an idealist, there is no way in hell I would ever accept anything > from Amazon or Microsoft I started with Linux back in 2001, the year where Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer called Linux "a cancer that attaches itself to

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 5:12 PM Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote: > Right now, I am seeing a lot of requests in the Rocky forum, to add > new shiny stuff to the distribution and the answer to most of this > is (more or less); "we (Rocky) are a 1:1 rebuild of upstream and we can > not add new stuff

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 08.07.21 19:53, Gionatan Danti wrote: Il 2021-07-08 16:46 Leon Fauster via CentOS ha scritto: Maybe "we" could fill this gap? Describe this state of EPEL? Did you requested such missing packages? From the early on (EL8.0) I requested such EPEL packages, some fedora maintainers branched there

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Understood. like all previous trends in technology, that too will change, the landscape is always changing.. I'm an idealist, there is no way in hell I would ever accept anything from Amazon or Microsoft, never...would rather fail than surrender principles On Thu, 2021-07-08 at 15:37

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On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 3:32 PM mario juliano grande-balletta < mario.balle...@gmail.com> wrote: > The motivations behind Rocky Linux are noble indeed, altruistic and > back to community. > But, accepting support from Amazon, Google, and especially Microsoft > tastes like vomit in my mouth.

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

The motivations behind Rocky Linux are noble indeed, altruistic and back to community. But, accepting support from Amazon, Google, and especially Microsoft tastes like vomit in my mouth. Nothing in the world I despise and disrespect more than anything related to Microsoft. Get better sponsors,

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 8/7/2021 8:53 μ.μ., Gionatan Danti wrote: That said, lets face in: current CentOS is not really a community, at least in the sense that a community can steer the project direction. Nobody polled for Stream or asked about it. Stream simply happened due to an unilateral Red Hat decision.

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

Il 2021-07-08 16:46 Leon Fauster via CentOS ha scritto: Maybe "we" could fill this gap? Describe this state of EPEL? Did you requested such missing packages? From the early on (EL8.0) I requested such EPEL packages, some fedora maintainers branched there packages into EPEL8. Even a request for

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

> Am 08.07.2021 um 17:38 schrieb Nikolaos Milas : > > On 8/7/2021 6:19 μ.μ., Valeri Galtsev wrote: > >> ... >> Of course, tastes differ, but still, only those who tasted both things can >> have fairly say what is better to one's own taste. >> ... >> But even as part of our infrastructure fled

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On Thu Jul 08 12:32:53 PM, mark wrote: > I'm reminded of a column in SysAdmin, a long time ago. Seems the woman who > wrote? contributed? to the column Daemons and Dragons was wearing a t-shirt > with the logo, and she was traveling with some folks in the US South. She > went in to pick up some

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 7/8/21 11:38 AM, Nikolaos Milas wrote: On 8/7/2021 6:19 μ.μ., Valeri Galtsev wrote: ... Of course, tastes differ, but still, only those who tasted both things can have fairly say what is better to one's own taste. ... But even as part of our infrastructure fled to FreeBSD... ... As a

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 8/7/2021 5:46 μ.μ., Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote: Μaybe "we" could fill this gap? Describe this state of EPEL? Did you requested such missing packages? From the early on (EL8.0) I requested such EPEL packages, some fedora maintainers branched there packages into EPEL8. Even a request for a

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 8/7/2021 6:53 μ.μ., Valeri Galtsev wrote: THAT must have been part of the reason for mscot. Also, they call mascot Beasty (as in diminutive from :"beast"). And if you pronounce the abbreviation of Berkeley Software Distribution (the one FreeBSD is successor of): BSD, and then "beasty" they

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

Personally, I have always been a fan of the BSD distributions and have always kept at least 1 virtual machine running a flavor of BSD. However, I am not religious, and have no attachment to anything supernatural or metaphysical or any other pseudo-spiritual thing. I just think with the changes

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

Le 2021-07-08 17:38, Nikolaos Milas a écrit : On 8/7/2021 6:19 μ.μ., Valeri Galtsev wrote: ... Of course, tastes differ, but still, only those who tasted both things can have fairly say what is better to one's own taste. ... But even as part of our infrastructure fled to FreeBSD... ... As

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 7/8/21 10:38 AM, Nikolaos Milas wrote: On 8/7/2021 6:19 μ.μ., Valeri Galtsev wrote: ... Of course, tastes differ, but still, only those who tasted both things can have fairly say what is better to one's own taste. ... But even as part of our infrastructure fled to FreeBSD... ... As a

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 7/8/21 10:38 AM, Nikolaos Milas wrote: On 8/7/2021 6:19 μ.μ., Valeri Galtsev wrote: ... Of course, tastes differ, but still, only those who tasted both things can have fairly say what is better to one's own taste. ... But even as part of our infrastructure fled to FreeBSD... ... As a

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 8/7/2021 6:19 μ.μ., Valeri Galtsev wrote: ... Of course, tastes differ, but still, only those who tasted both things can have fairly say what is better to one's own taste. ... But even as part of our infrastructure fled to FreeBSD... ... As a side note: l never used FreeBSD, even though

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 7/8/21 8:55 AM, Jonathan Billings wrote: On Thu, Jul 08, 2021 at 08:39:19AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: Well, I fled servers from CentOS to FreeBSD almost a decade ago. And actually not From CentOS per se, but from Linux. One of the reasons was: every 45 days on average: glibc or kernel

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 08.07.21 14:38, Gionatan Danti wrote: Il 2021-07-08 13:22 Nikolaos Milas ha scritto: If some people want to leave the RHEL ecosystem for Debian or FreeBSD, that's OK. But for those who want to stay in the RHEL world, Rocky Linux stands as a rock-solid solution. This opinion does not reject

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On Thu, 8 Jul 2021, Jonathan Billings wrote: Long uptimes are a thing of the past. Build redundancy into your infrastructure so you can handle reboots. +1 Beyond building redundancy, I'd suggest building the culture that sees regular maintenance windows as a provider of, not a drag on,

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On Thu, Jul 08, 2021 at 08:39:19AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > Well, I fled servers from CentOS to FreeBSD almost a decade ago. And > actually not From CentOS per se, but from Linux. One of the reasons > was: every 45 days on average: glibc or kernel update —> reboot. One > of my friends

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

> On Jul 8, 2021, at 6:22 AM, Nikolaos Milas wrote: > > On 7/7/2021 8:17 μ.μ., Valeri Galtsev wrote: > >> And I feel safe running (and planning to run for long future to come) quite >> reputable ones with long history of such: FreeBSD (servers), Debian (number >> crunchers, workstations). >

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

Soon, we will all have to find a way to work with other distributions, or work together to create and maintain new distributions that focus on micro/small/medium business. Eventually, this will be the only way to keep virtualization and hybrid cloud available. Everyone smells money and RedHat is

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

Il 2021-07-08 13:22 Nikolaos Milas ha scritto: If some people want to leave the RHEL ecosystem for Debian or FreeBSD, that's OK. But for those who want to stay in the RHEL world, Rocky Linux stands as a rock-solid solution. This opinion does not reject other CentOS clones, but emphasizes the

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 7/7/2021 8:17 μ.μ., Valeri Galtsev wrote: And I feel safe running (and planning to run for long future to come) quite reputable ones with long history of such: FreeBSD (servers), Debian (number crunchers, workstations). I feel totally safe and confident with the fully community-driven

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 08/07/2021 09:09, Mark Rousell wrote: > I'm not affiliated with Navy Linux but it seems to me there's nothing > inconsistent there. They say it was set up as a community project on > January 4, 2021 and a foundation (a common component of community > projects) was formed on June 14, 2021. > >

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On 07/07/2021 17:52, Jon Pruente wrote: > That furthers what I wrote earlier. That says: > > Date of formation: June 14, 2021 > > Yet the about page ( https://navylinux.org/about/ ) was changed to say: >> Navy Linux and The Navy Linux Project is an on-going community project > founded by Navy

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On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:04 AM Jon Pruente wrote: > Deleted tweet link: > https://twitter.com/NavyLinux/status/1408429562472677381 > For completeness, here's a WayBackMachine link to the deleted tweet. Luckily it got archived.

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 7/7/21 12:08 PM, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote: On 07.07.21 18:04, Jon Pruente wrote: On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 7:41 AM Leon Fauster via CentOS mailto:centos@centos.org>> wrote:     Here is another one:     https://navylinux.org/ Navy Linux has a bad taste

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 07.07.21 18:04, Jon Pruente wrote: On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 7:41 AM Leon Fauster via CentOS mailto:centos@centos.org>> wrote: Here is another one: https://navylinux.org/ Navy Linux has a bad taste already, for me. They are aiming too big, even trying to

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:14 AM Simon Matter wrote: > > BTW, anyone know who the "Navy Foundation" are? Is this an arm of the > > US government? > > > > Martin > > See https://navylinux.org/news/legal/ That furthers what I wrote earlier. That says: > Date of formation: June 14, 2021 Yet the

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> On 07/07/2021 13:41, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote: >> On 07.07.21 14:31, J Martin Rushton via CentOS wrote: >>> Fashion, and Oracle's past practices.  I evaluated >>> Alma Linux >>> Fedora >>> Mint >>> Open SuSE >>> Oracle Linux >>> Springdale Linux >>> and settled

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On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 7:41 AM Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote: > Here is another one: > > https://navylinux.org/ Navy Linux has a bad taste already, for me. They are aiming too big, even trying to replicate EPEL for themselves. And their attitude isn't good. They had a tweet disparaging "new

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Hi What about https://rockylinux.org ? Best regards Pat -Message d'origine- De : CentOS De la part de J Martin Rushton via CentOS Envoyé : mercredi 7 juillet 2021 17:39 À : centos@centos.org Objet : Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future? On 07/07/2021 13:41, Leon Fauster via

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On 07/07/2021 13:41, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote: On 07.07.21 14:31, J Martin Rushton via CentOS wrote: Fashion, and Oracle's past practices.  I evaluated Alma Linux Fedora Mint Open SuSE Oracle Linux Springdale Linux and settled on Alma.  Rocky was still

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

> On Jul 7, 2021, at 5:07 AM, Nikolaos Milas wrote: > > On 7/7/2021 12:47 μ.μ., J Martin Rushton via CentOS wrote: > >> There's also Alma, which is where I've gone after being with CentOS since >> 5.3 > > AlmaLinux is a great project too, IMHO, but things show that the new industry >

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

Agreed re OEL. A few months after the CentOS 8.x deprecation news was released, Oracle Sales reached out to my organisation and reminded us that OEL was free to use, with migration scripts available. We briefly considered migrating from CentOS to OEL, but ultimately decided against it since, as

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 07.07.21 14:31, J Martin Rushton via CentOS wrote: Fashion, and Oracle's past practices.  I evaluated     Alma Linux     Fedora     Mint     Open SuSE     Oracle Linux     Springdale Linux and settled on Alma.  Rocky was still vapourware when Alma was stable. I've seen how Oracle

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On Wed, Jul 07, 2021 at 02:18:58PM +0200, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: > Le 07/07/2021 à 11:44, Nikolaos Milas a écrit : > > RESF / Rocky Linux is gaining worldwide recognition and sets itself as the > > primary organization / platform to become the CentOS 8 heir / successor in > > the > > future. > >

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Fashion, and Oracle's past practices. I evaluated Alma Linux Fedora Mint Open SuSE Oracle Linux Springdale Linux and settled on Alma. Rocky was still vapourware when Alma was stable. I've seen how Oracle promise no change in the long term, then change their charging

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

Le 07/07/2021 à 11:44, Nikolaos Milas a écrit : > RESF / Rocky Linux is gaining worldwide recognition and sets itself as the > primary organization / platform to become the CentOS 8 heir / successor in the > future. Rocky Linux is the New Kid On The Block and gets all the attention. Whereas

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

Il 2021-07-07 11:44 Nikolaos Milas ha scritto: I re-visit this thread, since it is crucial for CentOS 8 users. RESF / Rocky Linux is gaining worldwide recognition and sets itself as the primary organization / platform to become the CentOS 8 heir / successor in the future. Google and Microsoft

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On 07.07.21 12:07, Nikolaos Milas wrote: On 7/7/2021 12:47 μ.μ., J Martin Rushton via CentOS wrote: There's also Alma, which is where I've gone after being with CentOS since 5.3 AlmaLinux is a great project too, IMHO, but things show that the new industry standard (replacing CentOS) will

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On 7/7/2021 12:47 μ.μ., J Martin Rushton via CentOS wrote: There's also Alma, which is where I've gone after being with CentOS since 5.3 AlmaLinux is a great project too, IMHO, but things show that the new industry standard (replacing CentOS) will probably be Rocky Linux. (Yes, RHEL

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There's also Alma, which is where I've gone after being with CentOS since 5.3 On 07/07/2021 10:44, Nikolaos Milas wrote: On 30/4/2021 7:27 μ.μ., Gionatan Danti wrote: The correct answer is to buy RH: fine. But do not let Stream touch anything which require a kABI compatible modules. As

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 30/4/2021 7:27 μ.μ., Gionatan Danti wrote: The correct answer is to buy RH: fine. But do not let Stream touch anything which require a kABI compatible modules. As said above, the Stream move is squarely addresses *cloud* vendor requests and needs. Again, fine. But please leave apart the

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

Il 2021-04-30 21:16 Gordon Messmer ha scritto: Critics of Stream often argue that CentOS users are losing support that CentOS never had to begin with.  Their argument implies that CentOS has aspects of RHEL that it does not.  They are not correct. From here [1]: "Since March 2004, CentOS Linux

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 4/30/21 11:36 AM, R C wrote: No, I think you've completely missed the point that I was making, which was simply that criticism of CentOS Stream often mistakenly argues that because of the change, users of CentOS lose things that they never had to begin with. I don't know for sure if that

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 4/30/21 12:53 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 4/30/21 6:19 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: Why do, you, people use “creative editing”? Cite the whole piece I said, and place your question there, don’t tear single phrase out of context. It's not "creative editing", it's quote trimming in a forum

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On 4/30/21 12:20 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 4/30/21 11:03 AM, R C wrote: CentOS has *never* had support from Red Hat. So what is it you expect?, get an enterprise quality OS for free, and also expect highly paid, expensive, engineers to support your need for assistance on a whim for free

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 4/30/21 11:03 AM, R C wrote: CentOS has *never* had support from Red Hat. So what is it you expect?, get an enterprise quality OS for free, and also expect highly paid, expensive, engineers to support your need for assistance on a whim for free too? No, I think you've completely

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

. . . %< CentOS has *never* had support from Red Hat.  If you want to run a stable, supported production environment while you complete testing of a new minor release, you can get that from RHEL but not CentOS.  If you want to apply only security updates to a production environment to

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 4/30/21 6:19 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: Why do, you, people use “creative editing”? Cite the whole piece I said, and place your question there, don’t tear single phrase out of context. It's not "creative editing", it's quote trimming in a forum which provides threaded discussions.  It's

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 4/30/21 2:32 AM, Gionatan Danti wrote: Don't get me wrong: I understand that Stream is the way forward and that things are not going to change, and this is fine. But trying to ignore the key differences (shorter support, unknown upgrade from Stream-8 to Stream-9, broken kABI, etc) is not

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

Il 2021-04-30 16:26 Johnny Hughes ha scritto: On 4/30/21 4:32 AM, Gionatan Danti wrote: Il 2021-04-30 06:55 Gordon Messmer ha scritto: Why do you think that?  Are RHEL (and CentOS) point releases backward compatible or not?  If you trust point releases to work, why would you hesitate to

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 4/30/21 4:32 AM, Gionatan Danti wrote: > Il 2021-04-30 06:55 Gordon Messmer ha scritto: >> Why do you think that?  Are RHEL (and CentOS) point releases backward >> compatible or not?  If you trust point releases to work, why would you >> hesitate to trust a distribution that resembles an

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> On Apr 29, 2021, at 11:55 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > > On 4/29/21 8:51 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> but in the second case I can not put my reputation at stake and finish my >> phrase with "whatever works on RedHat Enterprise will work on CentOS". > Why do you think that? Are RHEL (and

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

Il 2021-04-30 06:55 Gordon Messmer ha scritto: Why do you think that?  Are RHEL (and CentOS) point releases backward compatible or not?  If you trust point releases to work, why would you hesitate to trust a distribution that resembles an upcoming point release? Because it very often break

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On 4/29/21 8:51 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: but in the second  case I can not put my reputation at stake and finish my phrase with "whatever works on RedHat Enterprise will work on CentOS". Why do you think that?  Are RHEL (and CentOS) point releases backward compatible or not?  If you trust

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 29.04.21 18:26, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 4/29/21 11:15 AM, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote: On 29.04.21 17:34, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 4/27/21 11:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: As was stated at Red hat summit though .. while Stream will not be a copy of the downstream RHEL code anymore .. it

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 29.04.21 18:27, Valeri Galtsev wrote: On 4/29/21 11:15 AM, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote: On 29.04.21 17:34, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 4/27/21 11:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: As was stated at Red hat summit though .. while Stream will not be a copy of the downstream RHEL code anymore .. it

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

> > Quite agree. For me, not too knowledgeable in these things person, this > looks exactly what Fedoraa while ago was: huge opening of RedHat to > wide open source community. Maybe Fedora didn't live up to the > expectation, then good luck to CentOS to live up to this expectation. I don't

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 4/29/21 11:15 AM, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote: On 29.04.21 17:34, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 4/27/21 11:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: As was stated at Red hat summit though .. while Stream will not be a copy of the downstream RHEL code anymore .. it WILL BE extreamly similar to RHEL + a

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 4/29/21 11:15 AM, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote: > On 29.04.21 17:34, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> On 4/27/21 11:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> >> As was stated at Red hat summit though .. while Stream will not be a >> copy of the downstream RHEL code anymore .. it WILL BE extreamly similar >> to

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 4/29/21 11:13 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 4/29/21 10:51 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: On 4/29/21 10:34 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 4/27/21 11:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: In other words, both of the following are true (IMHO): A. Johnny's rigorous statement of what CentOS now is (or

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 29.04.21 17:34, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 4/27/21 11:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: As was stated at Red hat summit though .. while Stream will not be a copy of the downstream RHEL code anymore .. it WILL BE extreamly similar to RHEL + a couple months. ... Maybe I am miss reading this

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On 4/29/21 10:51 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > On 4/29/21 10:34 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: >> On 4/27/21 11:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> >> >> >>> In other words, both of the following are true (IMHO): >>> >>> A. Johnny's rigorous statement of what CentOS now is (or yours, it >>> doesn't

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 4/29/21 10:34 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 4/27/21 11:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: In other words, both of the following are true (IMHO): A. Johnny's rigorous statement of what CentOS now is (or yours, it doesn't actually matter who rigorously states it, but Johnny's seemed to really

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 4/28/21 6:01 PM, Phil Perry wrote: > On 28/04/2021 23:28, Jonathan Billings wrote: >>> On Apr 27, 2021, at 11:32, Johnny Hughes wrote: >>> >>> You would be hard pressed to find many FUNCTIONAL differences between >>> Stream and CentOS Linux // just as you would be hard pressed to find >>> many

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 4/27/21 11:45 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > In other words, both of the following are true (IMHO): > > A. Johnny's rigorous statement of what CentOS now is (or yours, it > doesn't actually matter who rigorously states it, but Johnny's seemed to > really cover all aspects - maybe it's just my

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 28/04/2021 23:28, Jonathan Billings wrote: On Apr 27, 2021, at 11:32, Johnny Hughes wrote: You would be hard pressed to find many FUNCTIONAL differences between Stream and CentOS Linux // just as you would be hard pressed to find many differences between RHEL 8.2 and RHEL 8.3, for example.

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

> On Apr 27, 2021, at 11:32, Johnny Hughes wrote: > > You would be hard pressed to find many FUNCTIONAL differences between > Stream and CentOS Linux // just as you would be hard pressed to find > many differences between RHEL 8.2 and RHEL 8.3, for example. > > Are there some differences?

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I think the budget needed would be in the millions, 10's of millions...  that is hard to do with a gofundme page or a bake sale on an annual basis.  if it only was a 100k or couple of 100k,  IBM and others wouldn't care to keep it going I think, besides funding, there were organizational

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 28/4/2021 4:28 μ.μ., R C wrote: you think you can fund something like that with a bake sale or so?, maintaining a separate distro for the same thing is VERY expensive I agree, of course, yet it seems that those who decide to maintain a separate distro are decided to do so and obviously

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

Speaking of financing, it's common for non-profits such as churches and other organizations to have an annual budget review that is put together to lay out the budget, and expenses to see how each cost is broken down. Is there an equivalent budget page that annual review of expenses for

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you think you can fund something like that with a bake sale or so?, maintaining a separate distro for the same thing is VERY expensive On 4/28/21 2:08 AM, Nikolaos Milas wrote: On 28/4/2021 10:35 π.μ., Nikolaos Milas wrote: All that, in turn, are very much dependent on community involvement

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On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 at 04:09, Nikolaos Milas wrote: > On 28/4/2021 10:35 π.μ., Nikolaos Milas wrote: > > > All that, in turn, are very much dependent on community involvement > > and project management & financing. > > By the way, I think that CentOS, before it was "absorbed" by Redhat, >

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 28/4/2021 10:35 π.μ., Nikolaos Milas wrote: All that, in turn, are very much dependent on community involvement and project management & financing. By the way, I think that CentOS, before it was "absorbed" by Redhat, could/might have addressed the community for fund raising, rather than

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 28/4/2021 1:23 π.μ., Gionatan Danti wrote: If the Springdale release is a 100% RH clone, why do different teams (Alma and Rocky) are trying to re-package the same 100% binary-compatible RH clone? Simply because each one of these projects obviously wants to remain independent from the

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

Il 2021-04-27 15:05 J Martin Rushton via CentOS ha scritto: The traditional rebuild of RHEL will continue under other guises. There has been a long standing release at Springdale. Since RH's announcement Cloud have produced the Alma release. There is also a new project called Rocky that hasn't

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 11:24:40AM -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote: > Rawhide is a development (beta?) release.  I would love to get to the point where I feel comfortable saying that Fedora Rawhide is a perpetual beta. The current status is more like "perpetual alpha" — in fact, Fedora dropped our

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

Once upon a time, Carlos Oliva said: > Thank you for your response Martin. We should probably consider > moving to the alternatives that you mentioned or Ubuntu. Centos was > no longer a Community effort after RH was bought by a propriatory > company. The vast majority of open source software is

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On 4/27/21 6:36 AM, Carlos Oliva wrote: I have heard that Stream is beta releases of RH -- rather distressing. Is this a proper characterization? No, I don't think so.  I think a better characterization would be: Rawhide is a development (beta?) release.  Fedora is a stable release. 

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On 27.04.21 16:04, Carlos Oliva wrote: Thank you for your response Pete. I prefer to avoid working under the unbrela of propriatory companies. That is a conflicting statement. What would you then use these days without having a "entity" to back the service up? Anyway its OT ... Maybe this

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 4/27/21 11:24 AM, Pete Biggs wrote: My comment was just to balance Pete's as the truth between Pete's statement and Carlos feelings is where I'm sure my comment pointed... Out of interest, do you think my statement is factually incorrect? If so, in what way? I guess I have to

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> > > > My comment was just to balance Pete's as the truth between Pete's > statement and Carlos feelings is where I'm sure my comment pointed...  > Out of interest, do you think my statement is factually incorrect? If so, in what way? P. ___

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On 4/27/21 10:32 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: On 4/27/21 9:29 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: On 4/27/21 8:55 AM, Pete Biggs wrote: On Tue, 2021-04-27 at 09:36 -0400, Carlos Oliva wrote: Thank you for your response Rich. I have heard that Stream is beta releases of RH -- rather distressing. Is this

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 4/27/21 9:29 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > On 4/27/21 8:55 AM, Pete Biggs wrote: >> On Tue, 2021-04-27 at 09:36 -0400, Carlos Oliva wrote: >>> Thank you for your response Rich. I have heard that Stream is beta >>> releases of RH -- rather distressing. Is this a proper characterization? >>>

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 4/27/21 8:55 AM, Pete Biggs wrote: On Tue, 2021-04-27 at 09:36 -0400, Carlos Oliva wrote: Thank you for your response Rich. I have heard that Stream is beta releases of RH -- rather distressing. Is this a proper characterization? You heard wrong. Stream is effectively a rolling early

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

On 4/27/21 8:39 AM, Carlos Oliva wrote: Thank you for your response Martin. We should probably consider moving to the alternatives that you mentioned or Ubuntu. Centos was no longer a Community effort after RH was bought by a propriatory company. "Proprietary company" sounds like a

Re: [CentOS] Centos versions in the future?

Thank you for your response Pete. I prefer to avoid working under the unbrela of propriatory companies. On 4/27/2021 9:55 AM, Pete Biggs wrote: On Tue, 2021-04-27 at 09:36 -0400, Carlos Oliva wrote: Thank you for your response Rich. I have heard that Stream is beta releases of RH -- rather

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