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From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
Behalf Of Chan Chung Hang Christopher
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:51 PM
To: CentOS mailing list
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis
People looking for info about this and recent
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:55:21 +0100
Marcelo M. Garcia marcelo.maia.gar...@googlemail.com wrote:
CentOS and Scientific Linux together would be like dream come true.
Everyone has different dreams. :)
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Karanbir Singh wrote:
On 07/30/2009 06:34 AM, R P Herrold wrote:
This is an Open Letter to Lance Davis from fellow CentOS Developers
People looking for info about this and recent progress will find
relevant info being updated on http://www.centos.org/ as things develop.
Well,
Kai Schaetzl napsal(a):
I think these are fair questions, but a bit premature. Give the team time
to settle this, uhm, let's call it, mess. I'm sure once this matter is
resolved the team will also give more information about the new structure
and funding etc. Patience, folks! One thing at
On Sat, 2009-08-01 at 21:50 +0800, Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote:
Karanbir Singh wrote:
[snip]
People looking for info about this and recent progress will find
relevant info being updated on http://www.centos.org/ as things develop.
[snip]
Can we drop this thread now? Please?
Bob
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On 07/31/2009 02:27 AM, Akemi Yagi wrote:
I don't have any legal obligation to help old ladies cross the street,
or rescue cats from trees. It's what you do because you're a good
person. Doing this in a community sense is what makes you a good
neighbor, and what helps build community
In article 20090730170329.ge4...@roque.1407.org,
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote:
If possible, maintain the centos name.
Is there a .os tld? cent.os ? :)
No:
$ host -tns com.
com name server g.gtld-servers.net.
com name server h.gtld-servers.net.
com name server
On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 21:15 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote:
Akemi Yagi wrote:
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Jim Perrinjper...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Johnny Hughesjoh...@centos.org wrote:
Why ... we are under no obligation to tell people how how we spend
Connie Sieh wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Les Mikesell wrote:
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
Has anyone considered joining forces with Scientific Linux to reduce the
workload and give both a more robust infrastructure?
Yes, but the goals are rather different.
I thought both
Marcelo M. Garcia wrote:
Connie Sieh wrote:
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
Has anyone considered joining forces with Scientific Linux to reduce the
workload and give both a more robust infrastructure?
Yes, but the goals are rather different.
I thought both had upstream
Les Mikesell wrote:
Marcelo M. Garcia wrote:
Connie Sieh wrote:
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
Has anyone considered joining forces with Scientific Linux to reduce the
workload and give both a more robust infrastructure?
Yes, but the goals are rather different.
I thought both
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:36:51 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
[]
My 'dream' OS has always been one where the base install was extremely
minimal - just enough to install the rest over the network. Then there
would be a way that anyone could 'publish' their installed list of
repositories
On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 06:59 -0700, Craig White wrote:
On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 21:15 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote:
Akemi Yagi wrote:
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Jim Perrinjper...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Johnny Hughesjoh...@centos.org wrote:
Why ... we are
Hi,
My 'dream' OS has always been one where the base install was extremely
minimal - just enough to install the rest over the network. Then there
would be a way that anyone could 'publish' their installed list of
repositories and packages and anyone else could duplicate that machine's
setup
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Marcus Moellerm...@marcus-moeller.de wrote:
But please note: CentOS itself has a clear strategy which means
upstream compatibility. Nothing more and nothing less. No focus on
specialized systems (which does not mean you can create a custom spin
for an specific
Beartooth wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:36:51 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
[]
My 'dream' OS has always been one where the base install was extremely
minimal - just enough to install the rest over the network. Then there
would be a way that anyone could 'publish' their installed list
Marcus Moeller wrote:
Hi,
My 'dream' OS has always been one where the base install was extremely
minimal - just enough to install the rest over the network. Then there
would be a way that anyone could 'publish' their installed list of
repositories and packages and anyone else could
Marcelo M. Garcia wrote:
My 'dream' OS has always been one where the base install was extremely
minimal - just enough to install the rest over the network. Then there
would be a way that anyone could 'publish' their installed list of
repositories and packages and anyone else could
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:45 PM, James B. Byrnebyrn...@harte-lyne.ca wrote:
However, having been bitten once, I feel that I must ask this more
formal question. What steps, if any, have been taken to establish
the CentOS project as a separate legal entity distinct from any
individual
On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 15:01 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
snip
The idea of a minimal installation is interesting. Could this be done
snip
Les Mikesell
lesmikes...@gmail.com
In spite of the fact that all thse ideas for what the new CentOS org
could or would do, they really don't
James B. Byrne wrote on Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:45:21 -0400 (EDT):
However, having been bitten once, I feel that I must ask this more
formal question. What steps, if any, have been taken to establish
the CentOS project as a separate legal entity distinct from any
individual contributor? What
Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Craig Whitecraigwh...@azapple.com wrote:
snip
t totally agree and just want to add one more thing...I am very happy to
see Johnny posting to this list. It has been a long time and I hope you
are well.
+1 :-) I was planning to begin a new thread,
William L. Maltby wrote:
On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 15:01 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
snip
The idea of a minimal installation is interesting. Could this be done
snip
In spite of the fact that all thse ideas for what the new CentOS org
could or would do, they really don't belong cluttering a
On 07/31/2009 08:56 PM, Ned Slider wrote:
Sounds like all you folks need to get together, start a CentOS minimal
install CD SIG and get on with it :)
or a shared editor, and write a kickstart :)
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I'm already hearing
rumblings about risks from others in the company who don't know much
about the situation but know we are using Centos and saw a news posting
somewhere - and I suspect that is happening in every large company.
No doubt. And if the people who mange the CentOS servers in
On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 13:55 -0500, Ron Blizzard wrote:
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Marcus Moellerm...@marcus-moeller.de wrote:
But please note: CentOS itself has a clear strategy which means
upstream compatibility. Nothing more and nothing less. No focus on
specialized systems (which
On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 20:56 +0100, Ned Slider wrote:
Marcus Moeller wrote:
Hi,
My 'dream' OS has always been one where the base install was extremely
minimal - just enough to install the rest over the network. Then there
...
Sounds like all you folks need to get together, start a
On 07/31/2009 08:45 PM, James B. Byrne wrote:
What steps, if any, have been taken to establish
the CentOS project as a separate legal entity distinct from any
individual contributor? What protections are being put in place to
prevent future misappropriations of donations and advertising
On 07/30/2009 06:34 AM, R P Herrold wrote:
This is an Open Letter to Lance Davis from fellow CentOS Developers
People looking for info about this and recent progress will find
relevant info being updated on http://www.centos.org/ as things develop.
--
Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ :
One of the criticisms I hear the most often about centos is the lack
of transparency. This is one of the things that most of ( I can't
speak for everyone) the devs agree with, and are working to fix.
If you donate to centos you have a right to know how that money is
being used. The donations
If people want more background information, please read the blogs of
some of the developers available at :
http://planet.centos.org/
That should give everyone a idea of what has happened and where the
problems are according to us. But like Jim said, let us know what you
feel is important for
Has Lance responded at all?
If he's disappeared, what's involved in moving the infrastructure? Have any
ideas for a new domain been investigated? Presumably you need to build a
new charter that doesn't have the weaknesses of the old. How would that
work? Will you be modeling the organization
On 07/30/2009 02:34 PM, Jim Perrin wrote:
I'd personally like to hear what the community has to say about this,
as it's not just an internal matter. Please speak up so that we know
where the community stands on this. I'd rather be wrong, but know how
people feel than take a stand for a
On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 14:49 +0200, Tim Verhoeven wrote:
If people want more background information, please read the blogs of
some of the developers available at :
http://planet.centos.org/
That should give everyone a idea of what has happened and where the
problems are according to us.
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/07/30/130249/CentOS-Project-Administrator-Goes-AWOL
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Craig White wrote:
On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 14:49 +0200, Tim Verhoeven wrote:
If people want more background information, please read the blogs of
some of the developers available at :
http://planet.centos.org/
That should give everyone a idea of what has happened and where the
problems are
Craig White schrieb:
Perhaps you can just say to Lance, thanks and keep whatever money, just
turn over the domain name and then you can get your own paypal adsense
accounts.
I suspect this is exactly what they are trying to do.
Does anybody know where he lives?
Can somebody from the UK
-Original Message-
From: centos-boun...@centos.org
[mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Monty Shinn
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:11
To: CentOS mailing list
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis
Craig White wrote:
On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 14:49 +0200
Just to clear on thing up. We tried to contact Lance multiple times
over a period of more then a year. We have giving him, behind the
scenes, ample time to reply and come clean. This has not happened and
that is why we finally after trying to solve it in private for so long
decided to go public.
At Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:24:04 +0200 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
wrote:
Just to clear on thing up. We tried to contact Lance multiple times
over a period of more then a year. We have giving him, behind the
scenes, ample time to reply and come clean. This has not happened and
that
On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 16:18 +0200, Rainer Duffner wrote:
Craig White schrieb:
Perhaps you can just say to Lance, thanks and keep whatever money, just
turn over the domain name and then you can get your own paypal adsense
accounts.
I suspect this is exactly what they are
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:44:54AM -0400, Robert Heller wrote:
At Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:24:04 +0200 CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
wrote:
Just to clear on thing up. We tried to contact Lance multiple times
over a period of more then a year. We have giving him, behind the
scenes,
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 07:41:29AM -0700, Craig White wrote:
On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 16:18 +0200, Rainer Duffner wrote:
Craig White schrieb:
Perhaps you can just say to Lance, thanks and keep whatever money, just
turn over the domain name and then you can get your own paypal adsense
Craig White schrieb:
On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 16:18 +0200, Rainer Duffner wrote:
Craig White schrieb:
Perhaps you can just say to Lance, thanks and keep whatever money, just
turn over the domain name and then you can get your own paypal adsense
accounts.
I suspect this
Sounds to me like Lance, as many in the world, is under heavy financial
duress.
I would venture to say that sometime in the past he started borrowing some
incoming monies. And then eventually got caught up in it and could not face
the music.
I would say, dev team, time to go to plan b with a
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Jim Perrinjper...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd personally like to hear what the community has to say about this,
as it's not just an internal matter. Please speak up so that we know
where the community stands on this. I'd rather be wrong, but know how
people feel than
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:51:19AM -0500, Garry.Dale wrote:
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Jim Perrinjper...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd personally like to hear what the community has to say about this,
as it's not just an internal matter. Please speak up so that we know
where the community
*ReCentOS* would work.. *_Re_*introducing _*CentOS*_
john plemons
Garry.Dale wrote:
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Jim Perrinjper...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd personally like to hear what the community has to say about this,
as it's not just an internal matter. Please speak up so that we
If possible, maintain the centos name.
Is there a .os tld? cent.os ? :)
Rui
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:57:48PM -0400, John Plemons wrote:
*ReCentOS* would work.. *_Re_*introducing _*CentOS*_
john plemons
Garry.Dale wrote:
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Jim Perrinjper...@gmail.com
some recent comments speculation border on slander.
slander is simply anything that can lower one's view of a person in
another's eye.
the centos team has already done this, yet may i suggest to all that it
would be best to give Mr Davis every possible benefit of the doubt.
...and no matter
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Craig White wrote:
Perhaps you can just say to Lance, thanks and keep whatever money, just
turn over the domain name and then you can get your own paypal adsense
accounts.
* chuckle * I will sell you this toll bridge for a great
price -- want to know how much it is
On 07/30/2009 07:26 PM, thus Robert spake:
some recent comments speculation border on slander.
slander is simply anything that can lower one's view of a person in
another's eye.
the centos team has already done this, yet may i suggest to all that it
would be best to give Mr Davis every
-Original Message-
From: centos-boun...@centos.org
[mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On Behalf Of Rui Miguel
Silva Seabra
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:55
To: centos@centos.org
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:51:19AM -0500
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Monty Shinn wrote:
To those that have been able to donate money, I would like to say thank
you. The project is still alive, so the money must have been used to
some extent to support the project.
An accounting would answer that question, wouldn't it?
As the
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Timo Schoeler wrote:
BTW: cent-os.org was just being registered:
The signers of the letter have the needed domain trifecta's
locked up already.
-- Russ herrold
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Jason Pyeron wrote:
As I have said before, I have experience in this matter and we have a current
relationship with tucows. Would the team like our help? We can't and won't
unless asked.
The letter was done in the fashion it was in sorrow, and not
in anger, as my blog
The letter was done in the fashion it was in sorrow, and not
in anger, as my blog post noted. We remain hopeful that
lance will step up to doing the right thing vis-a-vis the
project as to the mentioned items.
-- Russ herrold
Russ,
of course... :-(
there is no doubt in my mind
R P Herrold wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Monty Shinn wrote:
To those that have been able to donate money, I would like to say thank
you. The project is still alive, so the money must have been used to
some extent to support the project.
An accounting would answer that question, wouldn't
Les Mikesell wrote:
Has anyone considered joining forces with Scientific Linux to reduce the
workload and give both a more robust infrastructure?
Yes, but the goals are rather different.
Ralph
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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
Actually, the most simple explanation would be that he got terribly ill
or even dead.
This has been completely ruled out. We wouldn't have written an open
letter, then.
Ralph
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On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 08:26:37PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
Has anyone considered joining forces with Scientific Linux to reduce the
workload and give both a more robust infrastructure?
Yes, but the goals are rather different.
It'd almost be nice to go under
Lots of speculation where little is known. It'd be best to let the
team do their thing and not stress. Flooding their channels with
concern only makes their jobs harder. It'd be best to hang back, wait
to see what happens, and then jump at any opportunity to help when
*requested* by the
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Les Mikesell wrote:
R P Herrold wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Monty Shinn wrote:
To those that have been able to donate money, I would like to say thank
you. The project is still alive, so the money must have been used to
some extent to support the project.
An
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Ralph Angenendtra+cen...@br-online.de wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
Has anyone considered joining forces with Scientific Linux to reduce the
workload and give both a more robust infrastructure?
Yes, but the goals are rather different.
What is the most
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Ray Van Dolson wrote:
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 08:26:37PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
Has anyone considered joining forces with Scientific Linux to reduce the
workload and give both a more robust infrastructure?
Yes, but the goals are rather
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
Has anyone considered joining forces with Scientific Linux to reduce the
workload and give both a more robust infrastructure?
Yes, but the goals are rather different.
I thought both had upstream compatibility as the main goal - and both
seem
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Les Mikesell wrote:
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
Has anyone considered joining forces with Scientific Linux to reduce the
workload and give both a more robust infrastructure?
Yes, but the goals are rather different.
I thought both had upstream
hi Connie,
On 07/30/2009 07:56 PM, Connie Sieh wrote:
Yes, but the goals are rather different.
Not really. Both rebuild RHEL releases. Scientific Linux adds a few
things and changes a few things. We also make Scientific Linux Fermi
which takes Scientific Linux and adds a few things and
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 08:29:14PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
Actually, the most simple explanation would be that he got terribly ill
or even dead.
This has been completely ruled out. We wouldn't have written an open
letter, then.
Ok, best of luck for
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabrar...@1407.org wrote:
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 08:29:14PM +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
Actually, the most simple explanation would be that he got terribly ill
or even dead.
This has been completely ruled
Karanbir Singh wrote:
However, the one thing that most people seem to be moving on already is
the assumption that CentOS is about to go away - which isnt correct at
all. For the users, we will make sure that there is as little an impact
as possible.
As a user, I've appreciated the long
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:31:21 +0200
Kai Schaetzl mailli...@conactive.com took out a #2 pencil and
scribbled:
applause and kudos to the team! I won't say more, a lot has been
said already. I just hope that everything can be sorted out in a
manner that doesn't crash too many porcelain and makes
http://dag.wieers.com/blog/the-burden-of-keeping-things-private
That posting states:
I heard some vague numbers, likely in the 4 digits EUR range
per month but real figures are only known by one person.
For at least three years people were donating money and sponsors
were paying for
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 04:32:39PM -0500, Neil Aggarwal wrote:
Can someone confirm this?
Isn't that part of what this is all about? Lack of dilligence
on financial disclosure? If anyone was able to confirm or deny
the cited amount, or hell, *any* amount, wouldn't this
Am 30.07.2009 um 23:32 schrieb Neil Aggarwal:
http://dag.wieers.com/blog/the-burden-of-keeping-things-private
That posting states:
I heard some vague numbers, likely in the 4 digits EUR range
per month but real figures are only known by one person.
For at least three years people were
Rainer Duffner wrote:
Don't cry over spit milk
I won't, especially when someone else spat it.
Want to buy an 'l'?
scnr,
Ralph
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Rip-off is a harsh word.
Maybe, but it seems to accurately describe the
situation as it is coming out.
Don't cry over spit milk
The problem is this situation is erroding the trust
in this project.
To me, the larger problem is the fact that the rest
of the team kept it under wraps for so
Am Freitag, den 31.07.2009, 00:08 +0200 schrieb Neil Aggarwal:
Rip-off is a harsh word.
Maybe, but it seems to accurately describe the
situation as it is coming out.
Don't cry over spit milk
The problem is this situation is erroding the trust
in this project.
To me, the larger problem
Neil Aggarwal wrote:
Rip-off is a harsh word.
Maybe, but it seems to accurately describe the
situation as it is coming out.
This is potentially true, that some of the developers, who would use the
money in question to attend meetings or obtain hardware or software
(since we have never been
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Johnny Hughesjoh...@centos.org wrote:
The problem is this situation is erroding the trust
in this project.
This goes back to my original post in this thread about transparency
in the project. I don't see it as erroding the trust, but it's not
building any good
Johnny:
we are under no obligation to tell people how how
we spend monies
This project asks for donations from the public.
Implied in that request is that the money will be
used to move the project forward and maybe reward
the workers for their contributions. This situation
seems like the
Jim:
We're not under any obligation to tell people how the money gets
spent, but doing so certainly goes a long way building good will. In
my opinion, a simple 'We got X monies in donations which were used to
purchase dedicated hosting, bandwidth, and various novelties for booth
and show
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
Rainer Duffner wrote:
Don't cry over spit milk
I won't, especially when someone else spat it.
Want to buy an 'l'?
scnr,
Ralph
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On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Jim Perrinjper...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Johnny Hughesjoh...@centos.org wrote:
Why ... we are under no obligation to tell people how how we spend
monies. There are costs that are incurred for any organization. We are
probably going
...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org]on
Behalf Of Akemi Yagi
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 6:28 PM
To: CentOS mailing list
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Open Letter to Lance Davis
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Jim Perrinjper...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Johnny
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Rainer Duffner wrote:
Am 30.07.2009 um 23:32 schrieb Neil Aggarwal:
http://dag.wieers.com/blog/the-burden-of-keeping-things-private
That posting states:
I heard some vague numbers, likely in the 4 digits EUR range
per month but real figures are only known by one
Akemi Yagi wrote:
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Jim Perrinjper...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Johnny Hughesjoh...@centos.org wrote:
Why ... we are under no obligation to tell people how how we spend
monies. There are costs that are incurred for any organization. We
On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 20:36 -0400, Jim Perrin wrote:
snip
Jim, you're spot-on with all that you posted. Since some don't seem to
understand what I think you're leading to, I thought I would chime in.
It's not that we OWE the community anything. It's that we should do it
because it's how we
I seem to be having network and email issues tonight; please
excuse any duplication
-- Russ herrold
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