date:20150403


On 04/02/2015 07:00 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
stretching this a bit futher : lets see if we can find 10 people who 
might be considered 'community beacons', who could / would act as 
commnuity comms and liason to make sure we are driving in the right 
directions and communicating things in the most impactful manner. ... 
thoughts ? 
I really think that if someone is actually interested in helping the 
project, rather than being a backseat driver and griping at every change 
from the Steeped Tradition of the Unix Protectors - In Training , a 
division of the National Organization of Whiners (STUP-IT / NOW) 
standards, that someone should be willing to take the initiative to 
follow the -devel list.   (Yes, that contrived acronym is 
tongue-in-cheek and meant as a joke to lighten things up a bit no 
offense to any particular person intended; please take a good laugh, 
smile, and enjoy your Friday!)


I am as pressed for time as anyone else on this list; I especially feel 
Matt Phelps' pain, as part of an educational institution where funding 
and staffing is never enough.  But there has to be a bar to meet so that 
feedback given is useful and not trollish.


I would suggest that a periodic informational FAQ be added to the 
monthly mailman reminders for the CentOS lists that can give a pointer 
to those who would like to give feedback, or help out, or otherwise do 
something to benefit the project as a whole.


I would also suggest that changes to the distribution that directly 
affect users and users' expectations be more widely announced, and 
something like a request for comment be made for the proposed change, 
with replies to be sent to the -devel list.   While I consider the very 
specific issue of the ISO naming  to be a tempest in a teacup, I also 
appreciate the fact that mine is not the only opinion.


But I believe that we would experience heavy turnover in such a 
go-between position as you describe.



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Re: [CentOS] Where's the debuginfo?


On 04/03/2015 11:11 AM, Eric Millbrandt wrote:

...Is my Google-fu failing me
or is http://debuginfo.centos.org/7/x86_64/ no longer the current
debuginfo repo?

Karanbir posted yesterday that they were being worked on, so wait a bit 
and they'll show up soon.  I'm waiting on the same thing myself.


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Re: [CentOS] Community voice (was [CentOS-announce] Release for CentOS Linux 7 (1503 ) on x86_64)


On 04/03/2015 10:31 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:

I agree with Tim. CentOS does need to do a much better job communicating
with their customers. And, yes, we are customers.


No, we are not customers in the strict sense, as that implies a purchase 
or some other consideration is given for a product.  Users, yes.  
Customers, no.  Community members?  Perhaps.  Licensees?  Yes, and all 
of the responsibilities of agreeing to the GPLv2 for the distribution as 
a whole apply.



Along with that, the
public facing members of the Community/developers need to be better
communicators. Statements like This is how it's going to be. I suggest you
familiarize yourself with it aren't endearing to the project.



From where I sit, I have seen much improvement in the project's 
communications as well as in how well the project leads communicate.  Do 
we need reminders of the situation between the releases of 4.10, 5.6, 
and 6.0?  Perhaps there can be more improvement, but I'm also going to 
be sure to state that the improvements that have already been made are 
very welcome.


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Re: [CentOS] systemctl (again)

2015-04-03 Thread J Martin Rushton

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 SELinux certainly was causing fun and games.  I copied your
 suggestion to /etc/systemd/user/timidity.service (mode 750) but
 it's still not happy:
 
 [root@tamar user]# systemctl status timidity timidity.service 
 Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory) Active:
 failed (Result: exit-code) since Th...
 
 ... Starting LSB: Add and remove timidity... ...
 timidity.service: control process exited, code=exited
 status=203
 ... Failed to start LSB: Add and remove timidity. ... Unit
 timidity.service entered failed state. ... Stopped
 timidity.service.
 
 I've wasted way too much time on this, I've put it in my
 .profile. The weirdness of systemctl will have to wait!

Sorry if that sounded more brusque than it should.  I've got a filthy
cold, it was 20 to midnight and I've been chasing this problem for a
couple of days.  Frustration is directed at the implementers, not
those tying to help.
 
 Thanks all
 
 
 For the record based on your email chain this issue has little to
 nothing to do with systemd or systemctl but rather a poor script
 for some reason that I haven't troubleshooted in detail.

The script was a minor alteration to an existing RH supplied script,
probably originally from 5.3.  Poor standard noted with amusement!

 Remember you should never call /etc/init.d/script even on el6 as
 your environment and profile will pollute the scripts environment
 leading to inconsistent behaviour.

I tried using the service mechanism, just as for the last 16 years,
but it continued to fail, apparently stripping off the -iAD, which is
rather critical; -iA sets up an ALSA interface and the D modifier
tells it to daemonise, without them it tries to run in the foreground.
 directly executing is debugging mode, until it starts to work and
then you can look for differences.  Mind you, making any significant
changes to root's environment and profile would be asking for trouble
IMHO.

 From the above it's clear after putting in place the service unit
 you did not do systemctl daemon-reload to pick up the new unit -
 hence the clear error Not Found.

Nope, wasn't aware that I had to.  You don't need to do any such thing
with init scripts. :-o

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Anyhow, as I said, thanks for the input, but I moved it to my .profile
so that I can get on with something useful.  I'm sure in time I'll
wade through the manuals and adapt, but I was just trying to be
positive and adapt to the new regime.  My error!

Since you appear to be a systemd guru, is there any easy way to spin
off a system session that could call in simple init-type scripts?
Just an ability to execute a simple script at system startup would be
helpful.  I (and I would guess many others) would find it a useful
transition.  Don't worry about how to code up the driver, it's trivial.

Thanks.
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Re: [CentOS] OT: Recommended anti-virus for Windows


On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 17:35 +0100, Always Learning wrote:


 Hi Александр (Aleksandr, Alexander),

Apologies to all. That should have gone privately off-list.


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[CentOS] video problem since 2015-04-01 update

Hello!

No updates for days until 2015-04-01.  Then presented with huge steaming
pile of updates all at once, apparently related to Centos 7.1 release.

Not thinking about it being April Fools Day, I immediately did:

yum -v check-update, then

yum -v update

then rebooted.

After reboot, there is a problem with the video.  It seems to flicker when
the mouse pointer touches the screen edges.  Also, sometimes when viewing
pages in Firefox, the window becomes partially covered with horizontal
black lines.

During reboots, before the login screen appears, there are quickly
disappearing messages seeming to include references to drm:9 and some
sort of underrun.

In the terminal window, I get a message:

ABRT has detected 3 problem(s). For more info run: abrt-cli list --since
1428078184

When I do that, I get:

id (blah, blah)
reason: WARNING: at drivers/gpu/drm/i915/intel_display.c:869
intel_wait_for_vblank+0x211/0x220 [i915]()
time: Fri 03 Apr 2015 11:41:49 AM CDT
cmdline:BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-3.10.0-229.1.2.el7.x86_64
root=UUID=(blah, blah) ro vconsole.keymap=us
vconsole.font=latarcyrheb-sun16 rhgb quiet LANG=en_US.UTF-8
count:  1
Directory:  /var/tmp/abrt/oops-2015-04-03-11:41:49-590-0

id (blah, blah)
reason: WARNING: at drivers/gpu/drm/i915/intel_display.c:869
intel_wait_for_vblank+0x211/0x220 [i915]()
time: Wed 01 Apr 2015 12:02:12 PM CDT
cmdline:BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-3.10.0-229.1.2.el7.x86_64
root=UUID=(blah, blah) ro vconsole.keymap=us
vconsole.font=latarcyrheb-sun16 rhgb quiet LANG=en_US.UTF-8
package:kernel
count:  11
Directory:  /var/tmp/abrt/oops-2015-04-01-12:02:11-1220-1
Reported:   cannot be reported

id (blah, blah)
reason: WARNING: at drivers/gpu/drm/i915/intel_display.c:869
intel_wait_for_vblank+0x211/0x220 [i915]()
time: Fri 03 Apr 2015 11:41:49 AM CDT
cmdline:BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-3.10.0-229.1.2.el7.x86_64
root=UUID=(blah, blah) ro vconsole.keymap=us
vconsole.font=latarcyrheb-sun16 rhgb quiet LANG=en_US.UTF-8
Directory:  /var/tmp/abrt/oops-2015-04-03-11:41:49-590-1
Reported:   cannot be reported


The Autoreporting feature is disabled. Please consider enabling it by
issuing
'abrt-auto-reporting enabled' as a user with root privileges.



So is this line where the problem may be?:

drivers/gpu/drm/i915/intel_display.c:869 intel_wait_for_vblank+0x211/0x220
[i915]()

Started to search online for information, but quickly decided:

1)  available info is over my head

2)  when in a hole, stop digging

So, any obvious answers, other than a complete reinstall?

Note: I really thought Centos is about reinstalling after years, not
months.  Grrr . . .
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Re: [CentOS] OT: Recommended anti-virus for Windows

2015-04-03 Thread Bowie Bailey


On 4/2/2015 5:11 PM, J Martin Rushton wrote:

Sorry to mention the opposition here, but I have a family member's
laptop to protect, and I'm not allowed to upgrade it to Linux.  What's
the current best recommendation?


I have used Avast, AVG, Avira, and Comodo.

Currently Comodo (firewall and antivirus) is on all of my systems.

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Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] Release for CentOS Linux 7 (1503 ) on x86_64


On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 11:23 -0400, Lamar Owen wrote:

 I really think that if someone is actually interested in helping the 
 project, rather than being a backseat driver and griping at every change 
 

But first one ought to know exactly where the project is going. In
which direction is Centos heading ?

Am I mistaken in thinking, after reading recent postings, Centos is
slowly moving in a different direction to RHEL and the removal of useful
and informative sub-version numbers is merely the first of many
manifestations of the growing-gap, or eventual gulf, between upstream
and Centos ?

Will Centos versions eventually become incompatible, partially or
wholly, with its parent's RHEL versions ?  I can understand why that
would be commercially advantageous to RH.




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Re: [CentOS] vncserver on CentOS 7

2015-04-03 Thread Fred Smith

On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 02:46:56PM -0400, Jerry Geis wrote:
 I am trying to setup a centos 7.1 vncserver
 
 I cannot believe they went from a relatively easy process in 6 to the
 crazyness that is 7.
 
 I did the following:
 yum install tigervnc-server
 cp /lib/systemd/system/vncserver@.service
 /etc/systemd/system
 systemctl daemon-reload
 edit /etc/systemd.system/vncserver@.service and replace
 USER with myuser
 su - myuser run vncpassword to set password
 systemctl enable vncserver@.
 
 
 Says its enabled:
 systemctl list-unit-files | grep vnc
 vncserver@.service  enabled
 
 using another machine to connect gives error about nothing there.
 
 netstat -tuln | grep 5900
 gives nothing.
 
 What did I miss?

Is the port opened in the firewall?


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Re: [CentOS] OT: Recommended anti-virus for Windows


On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 10:17 +0300, Александр Кириллов wrote:

 Paul, world's a big place. We just see many things differently.
 The West pretends the rules invented by the West are universal. They are 
 not.

Hi Александр (Aleksandr, Alexander),

Agreed. The West is far from perfect and has a terrible history of
supporting corrupt and brutal regimes as well as subverting some
democratically elected governments that were not pro-USA.

Any intelligent service would love to get internal access to as many
computers as possible. Kasperski (from the largest country in the world)
is a potential weakness. So too are the USA anti-virus Windoze packages
which ignore penetrations by Uncle Sam (special 'virus' signatures
accepted). Conversely non-Windoze machines running Linux, BSDs etc. are
inherently more safe.

It is good that many people from different countries, different
religions, different customs and different daylight hours can peacefully
unite in their collective use and enjoyment of Centos.

 Je ne suis pas Charlie.

Pourquoi ?

Did those people, the attackers and their victims, really need to die ?
We have only 1 life.

Best regards,

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Re: [CentOS] video problem since 2015-04-01 update

2015-04-03 Thread Akemi Yagi

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Francis Gerund ranr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello!

 No updates for days until 2015-04-01.  Then presented with huge steaming
 pile of updates all at once, apparently related to Centos 7.1 release.

 After reboot, there is a problem with the video.  It seems to flicker when
 the mouse pointer touches the screen edges.  Also, sometimes when viewing
 pages in Firefox, the window becomes partially covered with horizontal
 black lines.

 During reboots, before the login screen appears, there are quickly
 disappearing messages seeming to include references to drm:9 and some
 sort of underrun.

 In the terminal window, I get a message:

 ABRT has detected 3 problem(s). For more info run: abrt-cli list --since
 1428078184

 When I do that, I get:

 id (blah, blah)
 reason: WARNING: at drivers/gpu/drm/i915/intel_display.c:869
 intel_wait_for_vblank+0x211/0x220 [i915]()
 time: Fri 03 Apr 2015 11:41:49 AM CDT
 cmdline:BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-3.10.0-229.1.2.el7.x86_64
 root=UUID=(blah, blah) ro vconsole.keymap=us
 vconsole.font=latarcyrheb-sun16 rhgb quiet LANG=en_US.UTF-8
 count:  1
 Directory:  /var/tmp/abrt/oops-2015-04-03-11:41:49-590-0

Does this kernel.org bug look similar to yours?

https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86771

I suggest you try kernel-ml from ELRepo and see if that fixes the issue.

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[CentOS] vncserver on CentOS 7

2015-04-03 Thread Jerry Geis

I am trying to setup a centos 7.1 vncserver

I cannot believe they went from a relatively easy process in 6 to the
crazyness that is 7.

I did the following:
yum install tigervnc-server
cp /lib/systemd/system/vncserver@.service
/etc/systemd/system
systemctl daemon-reload
edit /etc/systemd.system/vncserver@.service and replace
USER with myuser
su - myuser run vncpassword to set password
systemctl enable vncserver@.


Says its enabled:
systemctl list-unit-files | grep vnc
vncserver@.service  enabled

using another machine to connect gives error about nothing there.

netstat -tuln | grep 5900
gives nothing.

What did I miss?

Thanks,

Jerry
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Re: [CentOS] vncserver on CentOS 7

2015-04-03 Thread Jerry Geis

 Is the port opened in the firewall?



I stopped firewalld with systemctl stop firewalld


Jerry



On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Jerry Geis ge...@pagestation.com wrote:

 I am trying to setup a centos 7.1 vncserver

 I cannot believe they went from a relatively easy process in 6 to the
 crazyness that is 7.

 I did the following:
 yum install tigervnc-server
 cp /lib/systemd/system/vncserver@.service
 /etc/systemd/system
 systemctl daemon-reload
 edit /etc/systemd.system/vncserver@.service and replace
 USER with myuser
 su - myuser run vncpassword to set password
 systemctl enable vncserver@.


 Says its enabled:
 systemctl list-unit-files | grep vnc
 vncserver@.service  enabled

 using another machine to connect gives error about nothing there.

 netstat -tuln | grep 5900
 gives nothing.

 What did I miss?

 Thanks,

 Jerry

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Re: [CentOS] vncserver on CentOS 7

2015-04-03 Thread John R Pierce


On 4/3/2015 1:39 PM, Jerry Geis wrote:

I then used 4 as in your example and it worked.

How do I get port 5900 ?


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Re: [CentOS] video problem since 2015-04-01 update

Well, it could be the same, but the bug report does seem to refer to the
bug being in kernel series 3.18.  I am just using whatever 3.10 series
kernel comes standard with Centos 7.x.

I don't know anything about bug reports, and I an not familiar with
swapping out kernels in Centos.

BTW, is El Repo another name for the EPEL repository?



On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Akemi Yagi amy...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Francis Gerund ranr...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hello!
 
  No updates for days until 2015-04-01.  Then presented with huge steaming
  pile of updates all at once, apparently related to Centos 7.1 release.

  After reboot, there is a problem with the video.  It seems to flicker
 when
  the mouse pointer touches the screen edges.  Also, sometimes when viewing
  pages in Firefox, the window becomes partially covered with horizontal
  black lines.
 
  During reboots, before the login screen appears, there are quickly
  disappearing messages seeming to include references to drm:9 and some
  sort of underrun.
 
  In the terminal window, I get a message:
 
  ABRT has detected 3 problem(s). For more info run: abrt-cli list --since
  1428078184
 
  When I do that, I get:
 
  id (blah, blah)
  reason: WARNING: at drivers/gpu/drm/i915/intel_display.c:869
  intel_wait_for_vblank+0x211/0x220 [i915]()
  time: Fri 03 Apr 2015 11:41:49 AM CDT
  cmdline:BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-3.10.0-229.1.2.el7.x86_64
  root=UUID=(blah, blah) ro vconsole.keymap=us
  vconsole.font=latarcyrheb-sun16 rhgb quiet LANG=en_US.UTF-8
  count:  1
  Directory:  /var/tmp/abrt/oops-2015-04-03-11:41:49-590-0

 Does this kernel.org bug look similar to yours?

 https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86771

 I suggest you try kernel-ml from ELRepo and see if that fixes the issue.

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Re: [CentOS] vncserver on CentOS 7

2015-04-03 Thread Emmett Culley

On 04/03/2015 12:11 PM, Jerry Geis wrote:
 Is the port opened in the firewall?
 
 
 
 I stopped firewalld with systemctl stop firewalld
 
 
 Jerry
 
 
 
 On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Jerry Geis ge...@pagestation.com wrote:
 
 I am trying to setup a centos 7.1 vncserver

 I cannot believe they went from a relatively easy process in 6 to the
 crazyness that is 7.

 I did the following:
  yum install tigervnc-server
  cp /lib/systemd/system/vncserver@.service
 /etc/systemd/system
  systemctl daemon-reload
  edit /etc/systemd.system/vncserver@.service and replace
 USER with myuser
  su - myuser run vncpassword to set password
  systemctl enable vncserver@.


 Says its enabled:
 systemctl list-unit-files | grep vnc
 vncserver@.service  enabled

 using another machine to connect gives error about nothing there.

 netstat -tuln | grep 5900
 gives nothing.

 What did I miss?

 Thanks,

 Jerry

You should:

cp /lib/systemd/system/vncserver@.service 
/lib/systemd/system/vncserver@:#.service

Where # is the vnc port 590# to open.  Like 
/lib/systemd/system/vncserver@:4.service to start a vncserver on port 5904.

Then use `systemctl start vncserver@:4' to start that VNC server.  Remember to 
edit the /lib/systemd/system/vncserver@:4.service file's USER as you did 
before.

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Re: [CentOS] vncserver on CentOS 7

2015-04-03 Thread Jerry Geis

You should:

cp /lib/systemd/system/vncserver at .service 
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/lib/systemd/system/vncserver@:#.service

Where # is the vnc port 590# to open.  Like 
/lib/systemd/system/vncserver@:4.service to start a vncserver on port 5904.

 Then use `systemctl start vncserver@:4' to start that VNC server.  Remember 
 to edit the /lib/systemd/system/vncserver@:4.service file's USER as you did 
 before.

 Emmett



OK - I redid  and used the name vncserver@:0.service

Still not work -


I then used 4 as in your example and it worked.

How do I get port 5900 ?


Thanks,

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[CentOS] Installing HomeBank on CentOS 7.1

2015-04-03 Thread Jatin


Hi

I have recently installed CentOS 7.1 on my laptop. Earlier i was using 
Ubuntu 14.04.


I have managed to successfully install all the apps that i was using in 
ubuntu in CentOS 7.1 except for the app named as: HomeBank


http://homebank.free.fr/

Here is the information about my system:

[jatin@localhost ~]$ cat /etc/*release
CentOS Linux release 7.1.1503 (Core)
NAME=CentOS Linux
VERSION=7 (Core)
ID=centos
ID_LIKE=rhel fedora
VERSION_ID=7
PRETTY_NAME=CentOS Linux 7 (Core)
ANSI_COLOR=0;31
CPE_NAME=cpe:/o:centos:centos:7
HOME_URL=https://www.centos.org/;
BUG_REPORT_URL=https://bugs.centos.org/;

CENTOS_MANTISBT_PROJECT=CentOS-7
CENTOS_MANTISBT_PROJECT_VERSION=7
REDHAT_SUPPORT_PRODUCT=centos
REDHAT_SUPPORT_PRODUCT_VERSION=7

CentOS Linux release 7.1.1503 (Core)
CentOS Linux release 7.1.1503 (Core)


Here is the repo list that i have enabled and using so far:

[jatin@localhost ~]$ yum repolist
Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, langpacks
Determining fastest mirrors
 * base: centos.excellmedia.net
 * epel: mirror01.idc.hinet.net
 * extras: centos.excellmedia.net
 * nux-dextop: li.nux.ro
 * updates: mirrors.fibo.vn
adobe-linux-x86_64 2/2
repo id   repo name status
adobe-linux-x86_64Adobe Systems 
Incorporated 2
base/7/x86_64 CentOS-7 - 
Base 8,652
epel/x86_64   Extra Packages 
for Enterprise Linux 7 - x86_647,602
extras/7/x86_64   CentOS-7 - 
Extras 79
nux-dextop/x86_64 Nux.Ro RPMs 
for general desktop 
use   1,919
updates/7/x86_64  CentOS-7 - 
Updates 300



Appreciate any help in this regard.

Thanks
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Re: [CentOS] Installing HomeBank on CentOS 7.1

2015-04-03 Thread Frank Cox

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 00:57:31 +0530
Jatin wrote:

 I have managed to successfully install all the apps that i was using in 
 ubuntu in CentOS 7.1 except for the app named as: HomeBank

I just compiled it for you and anyone else who might want it.

Go here to get it:

http://www.melvilletheatre.com/articles/el7/

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Re: [CentOS] Iptables config removed with 7.1 update

2015-04-03 Thread Paul R. Ganci

No there was nothing. Having said that I think I was having a senior moment. 
I have two servers on which I am testing 7.x. These are isolated machines that 
if I had to I could just wipe and start over. On one machine the 
/etc/sysconfig/iptables was intact after the upgrade. On the other  it wasn't 
there at all which makes me believe it never was there but I thought it was 
there. Sorry to bother the list. 

On April 2, 2015 11:28:18 PM MDT, Frank Cox thea...@melvilletheatre.com wrote:
On Thu, 02 Apr 2015 22:42:02 -0600
Paul R. Ganci wrote:

 Literally the /etc/sysconfig/iptables is gone and 
 the /etc/sysconfig/iptables-config is the blank template that comes
with 
 the distribution. This seems to me to be a serious bug with the
upgrade.

Do you have a .rpmsave file in that directory?  If so, that's your old
configuration and the new version has different options or settings
available.

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Re: [CentOS] systemctl (again)

2015-04-03 Thread J Martin Rushton

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Further to my earlier post.  I must confess to occasionally getting to
be a bit stubborn, and in this case didn't want to be beaten by
Poettering.  I re-installed your script, modifying some fields in what
I hope was the appropriate manner:
# ls -l /etc/systemd/user
total 4
-rwxr-x---. 1 root root 246 Apr  3 21:21 timidity.service
# cat  /etc/systemd/user/timidity.service
[Unit]
Description=timidity daemon

[Service]
PIDFile=/var/run/timidity.pid
User=jmr
Group=users
WorkingDirectory=/home/jmr
ExecStart=/usr/bin/timidity -iAD
ExecReload=/bin/kill -s HUP $MAINPID
ExecStop=/bin/kill -s TERM $MAINPID
PrivateTmp=true

jmr:users is my account, it will do for the moment; at least I know
/home/jmr is usable!  I changed the ExecStart to use
/usr/bin/timidity, that is the output from command -v timidity.

# systemctl daemon-reload
# echo $?
0
# systemctl start timidity
Failed to issue method call: Unit timidity.service failed to load: No
such file or directory.
# setenforce 0
# getenforce
Permissive
# systemctl start timidity
Failed to issue method call: Unit timidity.service failed to load: No
such file or directory.
# systemctl daemon-reload
# systemctl start timidity
Failed to issue method call: Unit timidity.service failed to load: No
such file or directory.

I then rebooted the system:
# systemctl status timidity
timidity.service
   Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory)
   Active: inactive (dead)

# systemctl daemon-reload
# echo $?
0
# systemctl start timidity
Failed to issue method call: Unit timidity.service failed to load: No
such file or directory.

I checked all logs which had been modified since the reboot and there
was no reference to timidity in any of them, which does seem odd if
the startup is failing.

Any pointers as to where to go next?  I did briefly think of running
systemctl with sh -vx, but but as I expected it is an image!  Back to
square 1.

Fortunately this is my home machine, so I am free to pull it to bits
to try and find out what is happening.  My next thought is to add
dummy services in /etc/systemd/user, possibly pulling one out of the
system directory to prove it is working.  Poettering has certainly set
me an interesting puzzle.

Thanks.
Martin
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Re: [CentOS] Installing HomeBank on CentOS 7.1

2015-04-03 Thread johan . vermeulen7



- Oorspronkelijk bericht -
Van: Frank Cox thea...@melvilletheatre.com
Aan: centos@centos.org
Verzonden: Vrijdag 3 april 2015 21:56:42
Onderwerp: Re: [CentOS] Installing HomeBank on CentOS 7.1

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 00:57:31 +0530
Jatin wrote:

 I have managed to successfully install all the apps that i was using in 
 ubuntu in CentOS 7.1 except for the app named as: HomeBank

I just compiled it for you and anyone else who might want it.

Go here to get it:

http://www.melvilletheatre.com/articles/el7/

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Hello,

one man coming from Ubuntu AND Star Trek is on tv here; there is still hope for 
the world.

I visited that site, and they mention  available since Fedora6. Now I like 
French banks.
When I search in Centos6 I see this:

 Package  Arch   Version   Repository  Size

Installing:
 homebank x86_64 4.4-3.el6.nux nux-dextop 680 k
Installing for dependencies:
 libofx   x86_64 0.9.4-1.el6   epel   139 k

Transaction Summary

Install   2 Package(s)

Total download size: 819 k
Installed size: 2.6 M

So apart from getting it from Frank, isn't this the packages you need?
I cannot check on Centos7 at the moment.

Greetings, Johan

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Re: [CentOS] vncserver on CentOS 7

2015-04-03 Thread Emmett Culley

On 04/03/2015 01:39 PM, Jerry Geis wrote:
 You should:
 
 cp /lib/systemd/system/vncserver at .service 
 http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos 
 /lib/systemd/system/vncserver@:#.service
 
 Where # is the vnc port 590# to open.  Like 
 /lib/systemd/system/vncserver@:4.service to start a vncserver on port 5904.
 
 Then use `systemctl start vncserver@:4' to start that VNC server.  Remember 
 to edit the /lib/systemd/system/vncserver@:4.service file's USER as you 
 did before.
 
 Emmett
 
 
 
 OK - I redid  and used the name vncserver@:0.service
 
 Still not work -
 
 
 I then used 4 as in your example and it worked.
 
 How do I get port 5900 ?
 
 
 Thanks,
 
 jerry

Not sure why the didn't work.  I've never used 0.  You could add -rfbport 5900 
to the vncserver parameters, or explicitly set the display value by replacing 
any %1 in the .service file with the display number preceded by a colon. e.g., 
':0'.

Note that if you are hosting any kvm VMs, a running vm might be grabbing the 
5900 port.  Which could explain why the :0 file name didn't work.

Emmett

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Re: [CentOS] vncserver on CentOS 7

2015-04-03 Thread Ulf Volmer

On 04/03/2015 08:46 PM, Jerry Geis wrote:

 I am trying to setup a centos 7.1 vncserver

 I did the following:
 yum install tigervnc-server
 cp /lib/systemd/system/vncserver@.service

I guess the problem is, that you don't provide the instance name (the
part after the @), the vncserver server need this to configure the local
X- display.

See the Quick HowTo line in the service unit file

regards
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Re: [CentOS] systemctl (again)

2015-04-03 Thread J Martin Rushton

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Yet more information:

As a test I moved the link
/etc/systemd/system/dbus-org.fedoraproject.FirewallD1.service into
/etc/systemd/user and reran systemctl daemon-reload.  I then rebooted.

# ls -l /etc/systemd/user
total 4
lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root  41 Jul 27  2014
dbus-org.fedoraproject.FirewallD1.service -
/usr/lib/systemd/system/firewalld.service
-rwxr-x---. 1 root root 246 Apr  3 21:21 timidity.service
# systemctl status dbus-org.fedoraproject.FirewallD1.service
dbus-org.fedoraproject.FirewallD1.service
   Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory)
   Active: inactive (dead)

# systemctl status timidity
timidity.service
   Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory)
   Active: inactive (dead)

So it's starting to look like a distro problem.  Next I moved both the
Firewall service link and the timidity service file into
/etc/systemd/system:

# systemctl daemon-reload
# echo $?
0

and rebooted.

# systemctl status dbus-org.fedoraproject.FirewallD1.service
firewalld.service - firewalld - dynamic firewall daemon
   Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/firewalld.service; enabled)
   Active: active (running) since Fri 2015-04-03 22:50:50 ...
 Main PID: 785 (firewalld)
   CGroup: /system.slice/firewalld.service
   └─785 /usr/bin/python -Es /usr/sbin/firewalld ...

...  Starting firewalld - dynamic firewall daemon...
...  Started firewalld - dynamic firewall daemon.
# systemctl status timidity
timidity.service - timidity daemon
   Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/timidity.service; static)
   Active: inactive (dead)

Which is progress, but where to I'm not sure.

# ls -ld system user
drwxr-xr-x. 14 root root 4096 Apr  3 22:48 system
drwxr-xr-x.  2 root root 4096 Apr  3 22:48 user
# getfacl system user
# file: system
# owner: root
# group: root
user::rwx
group::r-x
other::r-x

# file: user
# owner: root
# group: root
user::rwx
group::r-x
other::r-x

Clearly there is a problem with my assumption about the default
settings.  systemd appears not to read the user directory without
modification.

Trying to enable it leads to:

# systemctl enable timidity
The unit files have no [Install] section. They are not meant to
be enabled using systemctl.
Possible reasons for having this kind of units are:
1) A unit may be statically enabled by being symlinked from
another unit's .wants/ or .requires/ directory.
2) A unit's purpose may be to act as a helper for some other
unit which has a requirement dependency on it.
3) A unit may be started when needed via activation (socket,
path, timer, D-Bus, udev, scripted systemctl call, ...).

Ah well, bed time.  I'll tussle with Poettering's logic in the morning.
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[CentOS] unsetting/erasing an iptables mark

2015-04-03 Thread Boris Epstein

Hello all,

iptables provides a way to mark/tag packets for future
identification/accounting, etc. A brief discussion of it is offered here:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced_traffic_control

Here is a more detailed description of the issue I am working on:

http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2015-April/151245.html

Getting to the crux of the issue as it stands now.

I need to get rid of the mark on the packets after they have been processed
by tc and sent on. That can be done by a VM down the line, too.

Basic logic of the process should be: anything that comes with a mark,
erase that mark, send it on.

Effectively, going off this syntax:

iptables -A FORWARD -t mangle -i eth0 -j MARK --set-mark 6

I would need to be able to come up with something like --erase-mark or
functional equivalent thereof.

Any suggestions much appreciated.

Cheers,

Boris.
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Re: [CentOS] Explanation please?

2015-04-03 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn

On 04.04.2015 02:32, James B. Byrne wrote:
 I am seeing log file entries like this:
 
 IN=eth0 OUT=eth1 SRC=109.74.193.253 DST=x.y.z.34 LEN=122 TOS=0x00
 PREC=0x00 TTL=48 ID=49692 PROTO=ICMP TYPE=3 CODE=3 [SRC=x.y.z.34
 DST=109.74.193.253 LEN=94 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=53 ID=41330 PROTO=UDP
 SPT=34679 DPT=53 LEN=74 ]
 
 This is found on our gateway host.  eth0 is the WAN i/f, eth1 is the
 LAN i/f.  Our netblock is x.y.z.0/24.  Can somebody tell me what this
 record is?
 
 

IN=eth0 OUT=eth1 SRC=109.74.193.253 DST=x.y.z.34 LEN=122 TOS=0x00
PREC=0x00 TTL=48 ID=49692 PROTO=ICMP TYPE=3 CODE=3

This is a Port unreachable message from host 109.74.193.253.

[SRC=x.y.z.34 DST=109.74.193.253 LEN=94 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=53
ID=41330 PROTO=UDP SPT=34679 DPT=53 LEN=74 ]

This is probably the cause of the above error: SRC=x.y.z.34 tried to do
a DNS lookup on DST=109.74.193.253 which failed (hence the icmp response).

Regards,
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Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

On 03/04/15 09:25 PM, Always Learning wrote:
 
 On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 20:01 -0500, Francis Gerund wrote:
 
 Here it is, in their own words:  what Redhat thinks of Centos, and it's
 plans for the future of Centos.

 community.redhat.com/centos-faq
 
 It is what many of us feared.  
 
 I never noticed any of the Centos bosses stating they are on a Centos
 board dominated by Red Hat employees.
 
 It is a de facto take-over of Centos by Red Hat. Centos Independence has
 been sold to Red Hat by the supposed guardians of Centos.
 
   The role of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux Developer Program is to
 provide participants with the tools and resources they need to develop
 on and for deployment on Red Hat Enterprise Linux; CentOS does not fit
 into this. .
 
    developing on CentOS does not guarantee that the resulting
 application will work on Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
 
 So I was 100% correct when I wrote earlier
 
   Am I mistaken in thinking, after reading recent postings, Centos is
 slowly moving in a different direction to RHEL and the removal of useful
 and informative sub-version numbers is merely the first of many
 manifestations of the growing-gap, or eventual gulf, between upstream
 and Centos ?
 
   Will Centos versions eventually become incompatible, partially or
 wholly, with its parent's RHEL versions ?  I can understand why that
 would be commercially advantageous to RH.
 
 This Centos mailing list, just like the Centos name and logo is the
 corporate property of Red Hat Inc.  How much did Red Hat pay the
 guardians of the Centos brand to sell-out the whole of Centos to RH ?  
 
 I do not know how this previously unpublished commercial take-over of
 Centos will affect the running of our systems. Hopefully things will
 continue smoothly for everyone's benefit. Perhaps a Fork will emerge.
 
 I wonder why this take-over was continually denied by Centos bosses at
 the beginning.
 
 Probably to prevent effective forks, Red Hat will deliberately make it
 more difficult for the community to compile their sources and produce a
 workable distribution closely resembling RHEL. One thing is for sure,
 all the advantages of Centos development will enrich RH whilst Centos
 will lack all the advantages of RHEL.
 
 That is commercial business folks !

If you and others believe this to be the case, then form an organization
and fork CentOS. Or, do as CentOS did in the beginning and recompile the
RHEL binaries to be binary-compatible and create your own OS.

It is the open-source way, and I am not being sarcastic.

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Re: [CentOS] Installing HomeBank on CentOS 7.1

2015-04-03 Thread Nux!

I have added it to the nux-dextop repo for EL7, too.

HTH

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- Original Message -
 From: Jatin daveyja...@gmail.com
 To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
 Sent: Friday, 3 April, 2015 20:27:31
 Subject: [CentOS] Installing HomeBank on CentOS 7.1

 Hi
 
 I have recently installed CentOS 7.1 on my laptop. Earlier i was using
 Ubuntu 14.04.
 
 I have managed to successfully install all the apps that i was using in
 ubuntu in CentOS 7.1 except for the app named as: HomeBank
 
 http://homebank.free.fr/
 
 Here is the information about my system:
 
 [jatin@localhost ~]$ cat /etc/*release
 CentOS Linux release 7.1.1503 (Core)
 NAME=CentOS Linux
 VERSION=7 (Core)
 ID=centos
 ID_LIKE=rhel fedora
 VERSION_ID=7
 PRETTY_NAME=CentOS Linux 7 (Core)
 ANSI_COLOR=0;31
 CPE_NAME=cpe:/o:centos:centos:7
 HOME_URL=https://www.centos.org/;
 BUG_REPORT_URL=https://bugs.centos.org/;
 
 CENTOS_MANTISBT_PROJECT=CentOS-7
 CENTOS_MANTISBT_PROJECT_VERSION=7
 REDHAT_SUPPORT_PRODUCT=centos
 REDHAT_SUPPORT_PRODUCT_VERSION=7
 
 CentOS Linux release 7.1.1503 (Core)
 CentOS Linux release 7.1.1503 (Core)
 
 
 Here is the repo list that i have enabled and using so far:
 
 [jatin@localhost ~]$ yum repolist
 Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, langpacks
 Determining fastest mirrors
  * base: centos.excellmedia.net
  * epel: mirror01.idc.hinet.net
  * extras: centos.excellmedia.net
  * nux-dextop: li.nux.ro
  * updates: mirrors.fibo.vn
 adobe-linux-x86_64 2/2
 repo id   repo name status
 adobe-linux-x86_64Adobe Systems
 Incorporated 2
 base/7/x86_64 CentOS-7 -
 Base 8,652
 epel/x86_64   Extra Packages
 for Enterprise Linux 7 - x86_647,602
 extras/7/x86_64   CentOS-7 -
 Extras 79
 nux-dextop/x86_64 Nux.Ro RPMs
 for general desktop
 use   1,919
 updates/7/x86_64  CentOS-7 -
 Updates 300
 
 
 Appreciate any help in this regard.
 
 Thanks
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Re: [CentOS] Installing HomeBank on CentOS 7.1

Just a suggestion:

Have you tried Gnucash?  It is in the EPEL repository, works fine in Centos
7, and is really well done.

P.S.  - I can not comment on HomeBank, as I haven't used it.


On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Nux! n...@li.nux.ro wrote:

 I have added it to the nux-dextop repo for EL7, too.

 HTH

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 - Original Message -
  From: Jatin daveyja...@gmail.com
  To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
  Sent: Friday, 3 April, 2015 20:27:31
  Subject: [CentOS] Installing HomeBank on CentOS 7.1

  Hi
 
  I have recently installed CentOS 7.1 on my laptop. Earlier i was using
  Ubuntu 14.04.
 
  I have managed to successfully install all the apps that i was using in
  ubuntu in CentOS 7.1 except for the app named as: HomeBank
 
  http://homebank.free.fr/
 
  Here is the information about my system:
 
  [jatin@localhost ~]$ cat /etc/*release
  CentOS Linux release 7.1.1503 (Core)
  NAME=CentOS Linux
  VERSION=7 (Core)
  ID=centos
  ID_LIKE=rhel fedora
  VERSION_ID=7
  PRETTY_NAME=CentOS Linux 7 (Core)
  ANSI_COLOR=0;31
  CPE_NAME=cpe:/o:centos:centos:7
  HOME_URL=https://www.centos.org/;
  BUG_REPORT_URL=https://bugs.centos.org/;
 
  CENTOS_MANTISBT_PROJECT=CentOS-7
  CENTOS_MANTISBT_PROJECT_VERSION=7
  REDHAT_SUPPORT_PRODUCT=centos
  REDHAT_SUPPORT_PRODUCT_VERSION=7
 
  CentOS Linux release 7.1.1503 (Core)
  CentOS Linux release 7.1.1503 (Core)
 
 
  Here is the repo list that i have enabled and using so far:
 
  [jatin@localhost ~]$ yum repolist
  Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, langpacks
  Determining fastest mirrors
   * base: centos.excellmedia.net
   * epel: mirror01.idc.hinet.net
   * extras: centos.excellmedia.net
   * nux-dextop: li.nux.ro
   * updates: mirrors.fibo.vn
  adobe-linux-x86_64 2/2
  repo id   repo name
 status
  adobe-linux-x86_64Adobe Systems
  Incorporated 2
  base/7/x86_64 CentOS-7 -
  Base 8,652
  epel/x86_64   Extra Packages
  for Enterprise Linux 7 - x86_64
 7,602
  extras/7/x86_64   CentOS-7 -
  Extras 79
  nux-dextop/x86_64 Nux.Ro RPMs
  for general desktop
  use   1,919
  updates/7/x86_64  CentOS-7 -
  Updates 300
 
 
  Appreciate any help in this regard.
 
  Thanks
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Re: [CentOS] Installing HomeBank on CentOS 7.1

2015-04-03 Thread Jatin


Thank you very much. I installed it.

Thanks
Jatin

On 04/04/2015 05:57 AM, Nux! wrote:

I have added it to the nux-dextop repo for EL7, too.

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Sent: Friday, 3 April, 2015 20:27:31
Subject: [CentOS] Installing HomeBank on CentOS 7.1
Hi

I have recently installed CentOS 7.1 on my laptop. Earlier i was using
Ubuntu 14.04.

I have managed to successfully install all the apps that i was using in
ubuntu in CentOS 7.1 except for the app named as: HomeBank

http://homebank.free.fr/

Here is the information about my system:

[jatin@localhost ~]$ cat /etc/*release
CentOS Linux release 7.1.1503 (Core)
NAME=CentOS Linux
VERSION=7 (Core)
ID=centos
ID_LIKE=rhel fedora
VERSION_ID=7
PRETTY_NAME=CentOS Linux 7 (Core)
ANSI_COLOR=0;31
CPE_NAME=cpe:/o:centos:centos:7
HOME_URL=https://www.centos.org/;
BUG_REPORT_URL=https://bugs.centos.org/;

CENTOS_MANTISBT_PROJECT=CentOS-7
CENTOS_MANTISBT_PROJECT_VERSION=7
REDHAT_SUPPORT_PRODUCT=centos
REDHAT_SUPPORT_PRODUCT_VERSION=7

CentOS Linux release 7.1.1503 (Core)
CentOS Linux release 7.1.1503 (Core)


Here is the repo list that i have enabled and using so far:

[jatin@localhost ~]$ yum repolist
Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, langpacks
Determining fastest mirrors
  * base: centos.excellmedia.net
  * epel: mirror01.idc.hinet.net
  * extras: centos.excellmedia.net
  * nux-dextop: li.nux.ro
  * updates: mirrors.fibo.vn
adobe-linux-x86_64 2/2
repo id   repo name status
adobe-linux-x86_64Adobe Systems
Incorporated 2
base/7/x86_64 CentOS-7 -
Base 8,652
epel/x86_64   Extra Packages
for Enterprise Linux 7 - x86_647,602
extras/7/x86_64   CentOS-7 -
Extras 79
nux-dextop/x86_64 Nux.Ro RPMs
for general desktop
use   1,919
updates/7/x86_64  CentOS-7 -
Updates 300


Appreciate any help in this regard.

Thanks
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Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] Release for CentOS Linux 7 (1503 ) on x86_64

Posted on behalf of Mark (m.r...@5-cent.us) who is currently
experiencing technical difficulties with his Internet connection
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 On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 11:23 -0400, Lamar Owen wrote:

 I really think that if someone is actually interested in helping the
project, rather than being a backseat driver and griping at every
change 


Y'know, the whole thread with the naming, and the comments that it had
been discussed, but only on the devel list, and the talk of an
ambassador or whatever

Couldn't some upcoming change like this have been mentioned in
centos-announcements, and make sure it went to all the centos mailman
lists?

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Re: [CentOS] video problem since 2015-04-01 update

2015-04-03 Thread Ned Slider



On 03/04/15 20:41, Francis Gerund wrote:
 Well, it could be the same, but the bug report does seem to refer to the
 bug being in kernel series 3.18.  I am just using whatever 3.10 series
 kernel comes standard with Centos 7.x.
 

Well, the CentOS kernel is a 3.10 kernel in name (or number) only. Red
Hat backport much stuff from later kernels, and in this case that
includes much broken code for the Intel i915 driver. The code is broken
from around 3.15 and still not completely fixed in the current 4.0-rc6
code base. Updating to a newer kernel, and hence a newer i915 driver,
may or may not help, but it doesn't hurt to try.

 I don't know anything about bug reports, and I an not familiar with
 swapping out kernels in Centos.
 
 BTW, is El Repo another name for the EPEL repository?
 

No, they are two completely separate repositories:

http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories

 
 
 On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Akemi Yagi amy...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Francis Gerund ranr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello!

 No updates for days until 2015-04-01.  Then presented with huge steaming
 pile of updates all at once, apparently related to Centos 7.1 release.

 After reboot, there is a problem with the video.  It seems to flicker
 when
 the mouse pointer touches the screen edges.  Also, sometimes when viewing
 pages in Firefox, the window becomes partially covered with horizontal
 black lines.

 During reboots, before the login screen appears, there are quickly
 disappearing messages seeming to include references to drm:9 and some
 sort of underrun.

 In the terminal window, I get a message:

 ABRT has detected 3 problem(s). For more info run: abrt-cli list --since
 1428078184

 When I do that, I get:

 id (blah, blah)
 reason: WARNING: at drivers/gpu/drm/i915/intel_display.c:869
 intel_wait_for_vblank+0x211/0x220 [i915]()
 time: Fri 03 Apr 2015 11:41:49 AM CDT
 cmdline:BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-3.10.0-229.1.2.el7.x86_64
 root=UUID=(blah, blah) ro vconsole.keymap=us
 vconsole.font=latarcyrheb-sun16 rhgb quiet LANG=en_US.UTF-8
 count:  1
 Directory:  /var/tmp/abrt/oops-2015-04-03-11:41:49-590-0

 Does this kernel.org bug look similar to yours?

 https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86771

 I suggest you try kernel-ml from ELRepo and see if that fixes the issue.

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[CentOS] The future of centos

Almost everyone here has probably read this by now. If so, move along,
nothing new here.  But just in case you haven't, please take the time to
read this.

Here it is, in their own words:  what Redhat thinks of Centos, and it's
plans for the future of Centos.

Can you read between the lines?  In this case, it isn't very hard to do,
IMHO.



community.redhat.com/centos-faq
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Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

On 03/04/15 09:01 PM, Francis Gerund wrote:
 Almost everyone here has probably read this by now. If so, move along,
 nothing new here.  But just in case you haven't, please take the time to
 read this.
 
 Here it is, in their own words:  what Redhat thinks of Centos, and it's
 plans for the future of Centos.
 
 Can you read between the lines?  In this case, it isn't very hard to do,
 IMHO.
 
 community.redhat.com/centos-faq

How about you elaborate on your theory?

Publicly, and I believe honestly, Red Hat wanted to ensure the long-term
health of the CentOS project. Many companies, when starting out, use
CentOS because of it's enterprise lineage and free-as-in-beer cost.

Eventually, some of those companies will succeed and grow. Along the
line, they will realize the value and ROI of switching to full
enterprise support. Being on CentOS, it is then trivial for these
companies to switch the RHEL proper.

There is no grand conspiracy here. It is very much in Red Hat's
interests to keep CentOS healthy and thriving. Will CentOS change over
time? Yes, of course. Every project, company (and people) need to change
and adapt, or else they will fade into irrelevance.

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Re: [CentOS] The future of centos


On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 21:30 -0400, Digimer wrote:


 If you and others believe this to be the case, then form an
 organization and fork CentOS. Or, do as CentOS did in the beginning
 and recompile the RHEL binaries to be binary-compatible and create
 your own OS.
 
 It is the open-source way, and I am not being sarcastic.

Then call it ROSIE, Red Hat Operating System Intentionally .  I need
a suitable word beginning with 'E'  :-)

Well, now everyone knows the future of Centos.

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Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

On 03/04/15 09:46 PM, Always Learning wrote:
 
 On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 21:30 -0400, Digimer wrote:
 
 
 If you and others believe this to be the case, then form an
 organization and fork CentOS. Or, do as CentOS did in the beginning
 and recompile the RHEL binaries to be binary-compatible and create
 your own OS.

 It is the open-source way, and I am not being sarcastic.
 
 Then call it ROSIE, Red Hat Operating System Intentionally .  I need
 a suitable word beginning with 'E'  :-)
 
 Well, now everyone knows the future of Centos.

No, people are speculating about the future of CentOS.

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[CentOS-es] Lentitud en acceso a discos en VM alojadas en IPLAN

2015-04-03 Thread Normando Hall


Buenas tardes amigos de la lista.

Hace 3 años que tenemos varios servidores virtuales contratados en la 
empresa IPLAN en Argentina. Los mismos son gerenciados bajo VMWare TIER1 
y TIER3, y las VM con Centos 6 64bits.


Pues bien, hace unos meses notamos una baja pronunciada en el acceso a 
discos, porque nuestro sistema se ponía lento. Hemos hecho todas las 
verificaciones de rigor con:


hdparm -t /dev/sda

y por supuesto, verificar problemas de red, memoria, tamaño ocupado, 
siendo todos estos parámetros normales. Por supuesto, que se mantienen 
actualizados. Lo mas llamativo es que 3 VM que tenemos en dichaempresa 
comenzaron con el problema casi de forma simultánea, llegando a tasas 
tan bajas de 110KB/s de los normal que es casi 300MG/s. Por supuesto que 
hemos enviado capturas de pantalla de comandos, y dado todo tipo de 
acceso a nuestras VM para que los ingenieros de la plataforma pudieran 
comprobarlo con sus propios ojos.


Ellos dicen que su plataforma funciona correctamente y que tienen además 
otra VM de pruebas montada tambien con Centos 6 64bits y que el acceso a 
disco es normal, por encima de los 300MB/S.


Por supuesto que esto me irrita profundamente, porque no soy tan tonto 
de configurar tan mal no una, sino 3 máquina virtuales, y que sin 
hacerles nada comenzaron a reducir la velocidad de acceso a disco, pero 
estan insinuando que es un problema o alguna incompatibilidad de 
alguna aplicación de nuestro servidos lo que hace que ralentice el 
acceso a disco. He buscado y analizado todo tipo de documentación al 
respecto, y nada que salga realmente de lo normal, indica que algo puede 
ser responsable de tamaña reducción a punto de dejarlos casi 
inoperativos. Estoy realmente preocupado y comienzo a sospechar que no 
me están diciendo toda la verdad o que no saben lo suficiente.
Le he llegado a proponer que me presten por unas horas su VM de testeo 
para que instalemos alli nuestra aplicación y verificar si es que 
realmente produce alguna incompatibilidad con VMWare que nos ralentice 
el acceso a discos. Estoy muy indignado, porque tampoco es poco lo que 
se paga.


Las únicas aplicaciones instaladas son:

MongoDB
Percona
y mantener actualizado el servidor con yum update.

También hemos agregado los parámetros al kernel en el grub.conf 
elevator=noop y esas cosas, sin beneficio alguno.


Alguien que pueda orientarme un poquito? Realmente estoy preocupado.

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[CentOS] Explanation please?

2015-04-03 Thread James B. Byrne

I am seeing log file entries like this:

IN=eth0 OUT=eth1 SRC=109.74.193.253 DST=x.y.z.34 LEN=122 TOS=0x00
PREC=0x00 TTL=48 ID=49692 PROTO=ICMP TYPE=3 CODE=3 [SRC=x.y.z.34
DST=109.74.193.253 LEN=94 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=53 ID=41330 PROTO=UDP
SPT=34679 DPT=53 LEN=74 ]

This is found on our gateway host.  eth0 is the WAN i/f, eth1 is the
LAN i/f.  Our netblock is x.y.z.0/24.  Can somebody tell me what this
record is?


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Re: [CentOS] The future of centos


On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 20:01 -0500, Francis Gerund wrote:

 Here it is, in their own words:  what Redhat thinks of Centos, and it's
 plans for the future of Centos.
 
 community.redhat.com/centos-faq

It is what many of us feared.  

I never noticed any of the Centos bosses stating they are on a Centos
board dominated by Red Hat employees.

It is a de facto take-over of Centos by Red Hat. Centos Independence has
been sold to Red Hat by the supposed guardians of Centos.

The role of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux Developer Program is to
provide participants with the tools and resources they need to develop
on and for deployment on Red Hat Enterprise Linux; CentOS does not fit
into this. .

 developing on CentOS does not guarantee that the resulting
application will work on Red Hat Enterprise Linux.

So I was 100% correct when I wrote earlier

Am I mistaken in thinking, after reading recent postings, Centos is
slowly moving in a different direction to RHEL and the removal of useful
and informative sub-version numbers is merely the first of many
manifestations of the growing-gap, or eventual gulf, between upstream
and Centos ?

Will Centos versions eventually become incompatible, partially or
wholly, with its parent's RHEL versions ?  I can understand why that
would be commercially advantageous to RH.

This Centos mailing list, just like the Centos name and logo is the
corporate property of Red Hat Inc.  How much did Red Hat pay the
guardians of the Centos brand to sell-out the whole of Centos to RH ?  

I do not know how this previously unpublished commercial take-over of
Centos will affect the running of our systems. Hopefully things will
continue smoothly for everyone's benefit. Perhaps a Fork will emerge.

I wonder why this take-over was continually denied by Centos bosses at
the beginning.

Probably to prevent effective forks, Red Hat will deliberately make it
more difficult for the community to compile their sources and produce a
workable distribution closely resembling RHEL. One thing is for sure,
all the advantages of Centos development will enrich RH whilst Centos
will lack all the advantages of RHEL.

That is commercial business folks !



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Re: [CentOS] The future of centos

On 03/04/15 09:39 PM, Always Learning wrote:
 
 On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 21:27 -0400, Digimer wrote:
 
 Being on CentOS, it is then trivial for these
 companies to switch the RHEL proper.
 
 Not if Centos and RHEL become too incompatible.

Exactly why I believe it will not come to be.

SIGs/variants may, but CentOS base will stay very close. It would be
very stupid of RH to do otherwise.

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Re: [CentOS] The future of centos


On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 22:47 -0400, Digimer wrote:

 No, people are speculating about the future of CentOS.

I agree with your point that if RH is to commercially benefit from
Centos installations transferring to (or upgrading to) RH, then the base
systems should not be radically different or even incompatible.

The future is certain. To benefit from this free operating system,
tolerate the RH control and desire to ensure Centos and RHEL are not
exactly the same (including incompatible version numbers) or get another
operating system. It is that simple.

Happy Easter to everyone.


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Re: [CentOS-es] consulta de instalación servidor web

2015-04-03 Thread Aland Laines

Hola Alexis, bienevenido al mundo linux, debido a que eres nuevo y deseas
un aprendizaje no muy largo en una configuracion basica, yo te recomendaria
el fedora, ya que es es una las distros basadas en redhat, esta distro
tambien tiene una version servidor, te sera amigable y sus repositorios
estan muy actualizados, por lo que no tendras problemas instaladolo en una
laptop.

Un abrazo y cualquier problema estamos aqui para aprender juntos.


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El 2 de abril de 2015, 7:18, Alexis Espinoza alexis.i...@gmail.com
escribió:

 buenos dias a todos, y gracias por sus consejos, finalmente pude instalar
 Centos en un netbook NP N100 Samsung, instale version minimal con desktop,
 despues pude instalar lamp, lo extraño es que solo activa la red
 inalambrica y eth0 pese a que la reconoce no la activa.

 les adjunto lo que me indica lspci y ifconfig, reinicie el servicio y no
 hay caso con que conecte a internet con eth0.

 [murdok@halcon ~]$ lspci
 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx
 DMI Bridge
 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor
 D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller
 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor
 D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller
 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition
 Audio Controller (rev 02)
 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 1
 (rev 02)
 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 2
 (rev 02)
 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 3
 (rev 02)
 00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 4
 (rev 02)
 00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI
 Controller #1 (rev 02)
 00:1d.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI
 Controller #2 (rev 02)
 00:1d.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI
 Controller #3 (rev 02)
 00:1d.3 USB controller: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI
 Controller #4 (rev 02)
 00:1d.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB2 EHCI
 Controller (rev 02)
 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev e2)
 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation NM10 Family LPC Controller (rev 02)
 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family SATA Controller
 [AHCI mode] (rev 02)
 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family SMBus Controller (rev 02)
 05:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 100
 09:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
 RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 05)
 [murdok@halcon ~]$ ifconfig
 eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr E8:11:32:5F:7E:F9
   inet6 addr: fe80::ea11:32ff:fe5f:7ef9/64 Scope:Link
   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
   RX packets:6279 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
   TX packets:598 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
   collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
   RX bytes:2057469 (1.9 MiB)  TX bytes:72568 (70.8 KiB)

 loLink encap:Local Loopback
   inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
   inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
   UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:65536  Metric:1
   RX packets:36 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
   TX packets:36 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
   collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
   RX bytes:2122 (2.0 KiB)  TX bytes:2122 (2.0 KiB)

 [murdok@halcon ~]$ su
 Contraseña:
 [root@halcon murdok]# /etc/init.d/network restart
 Interrupción de la interfaz eth0:  [  OK  ]
 Interrupción de la interfaz de loopback:   [  OK  ]
 Activación de la interfaz de loopback: [  OK  ]
 Activando interfaz eth0:  Estado de conexión activa: activando
 Ruta de conexión activa:
 /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/ActiveConnection/86

 ** (process:2138): WARNING **: _nm_object_get_property: Error getting
 'State' for /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/ActiveConnection/86: (19)
 Method Get with signature ss on interface
 org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties doesn't exist


 estado: desconocido
 Error: Activación de conexión falló.
[FALLÓ]
 [root@halcon murdok]#


 alguna sugerencia para conectarme por medio de eth0???

 atte.


 Alexis

 El 1 de abril de 2015, 11:39, Robyir Antonio Loreto Ruiz 
 robyirlor...@gmail.com escribió:

  Otra cosa... el xampp no inicia al arrancar el sistema operativo... debes
  crear un enlace simbólico en /etc/init.d que apunte hacia
 /opt/lampp/lampp
  y agregarlo con el chkconfig --add lampp

Re: [CentOS] Installing HomeBank on CentOS 7.1

2015-04-03 Thread Jatin

I have tried gnucash and it is a good app but homebank is much simpler 
and fits into my simple usage.


Thanks
Jatin

On 04/04/2015 06:14 AM, Francis Gerund wrote:

Just a suggestion:

Have you tried Gnucash?  It is in the EPEL repository, works fine in Centos
7, and is really well done.

P.S.  - I can not comment on HomeBank, as I haven't used it.


On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Nux! n...@li.nux.ro wrote:


I have added it to the nux-dextop repo for EL7, too.

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From: Jatin daveyja...@gmail.com
To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org
Sent: Friday, 3 April, 2015 20:27:31
Subject: [CentOS] Installing HomeBank on CentOS 7.1
Hi

I have recently installed CentOS 7.1 on my laptop. Earlier i was using
Ubuntu 14.04.

I have managed to successfully install all the apps that i was using in
ubuntu in CentOS 7.1 except for the app named as: HomeBank

http://homebank.free.fr/

Here is the information about my system:

[jatin@localhost ~]$ cat /etc/*release
CentOS Linux release 7.1.1503 (Core)
NAME=CentOS Linux
VERSION=7 (Core)
ID=centos
ID_LIKE=rhel fedora
VERSION_ID=7
PRETTY_NAME=CentOS Linux 7 (Core)
ANSI_COLOR=0;31
CPE_NAME=cpe:/o:centos:centos:7
HOME_URL=https://www.centos.org/;
BUG_REPORT_URL=https://bugs.centos.org/;

CENTOS_MANTISBT_PROJECT=CentOS-7
CENTOS_MANTISBT_PROJECT_VERSION=7
REDHAT_SUPPORT_PRODUCT=centos
REDHAT_SUPPORT_PRODUCT_VERSION=7

CentOS Linux release 7.1.1503 (Core)
CentOS Linux release 7.1.1503 (Core)


Here is the repo list that i have enabled and using so far:

[jatin@localhost ~]$ yum repolist
Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, langpacks
Determining fastest mirrors
  * base: centos.excellmedia.net
  * epel: mirror01.idc.hinet.net
  * extras: centos.excellmedia.net
  * nux-dextop: li.nux.ro
  * updates: mirrors.fibo.vn
adobe-linux-x86_64 2/2
repo id   repo name

status

adobe-linux-x86_64Adobe Systems
Incorporated 2
base/7/x86_64 CentOS-7 -
Base 8,652
epel/x86_64   Extra Packages
for Enterprise Linux 7 - x86_64

7,602

extras/7/x86_64   CentOS-7 -
Extras 79
nux-dextop/x86_64 Nux.Ro RPMs
for general desktop
use   1,919
updates/7/x86_64  CentOS-7 -
Updates 300


Appreciate any help in this regard.

Thanks
Jatin
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Re: [CentOS] video problem since 2015-04-01 update

Okay, thanks to all who took the time to reply.

What a shame; I hadn't planned on spending Easter weekend learning to do
kernel upgrades, but . . .   here it goes.



On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Ned Slider n...@unixmail.co.uk wrote:



 On 03/04/15 20:41, Francis Gerund wrote:
  Well, it could be the same, but the bug report does seem to refer to the
  bug being in kernel series 3.18.  I am just using whatever 3.10 series
  kernel comes standard with Centos 7.x.
 

 Well, the CentOS kernel is a 3.10 kernel in name (or number) only. Red
 Hat backport much stuff from later kernels, and in this case that
 includes much broken code for the Intel i915 driver. The code is broken
 from around 3.15 and still not completely fixed in the current 4.0-rc6
 code base. Updating to a newer kernel, and hence a newer i915 driver,
 may or may not help, but it doesn't hurt to try.

  I don't know anything about bug reports, and I an not familiar with
  swapping out kernels in Centos.
 
  BTW, is El Repo another name for the EPEL repository?
 

 No, they are two completely separate repositories:

 http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories

 
 
  On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Akemi Yagi amy...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Francis Gerund ranr...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hello!
 
  No updates for days until 2015-04-01.  Then presented with huge
 steaming
  pile of updates all at once, apparently related to Centos 7.1 release.
 
  After reboot, there is a problem with the video.  It seems to flicker
  when
  the mouse pointer touches the screen edges.  Also, sometimes when
 viewing
  pages in Firefox, the window becomes partially covered with horizontal
  black lines.
 
  During reboots, before the login screen appears, there are quickly
  disappearing messages seeming to include references to drm:9 and some
  sort of underrun.
 
  In the terminal window, I get a message:
 
  ABRT has detected 3 problem(s). For more info run: abrt-cli list
 --since
  1428078184
 
  When I do that, I get:
 
  id (blah, blah)
  reason: WARNING: at drivers/gpu/drm/i915/intel_display.c:869
  intel_wait_for_vblank+0x211/0x220 [i915]()
  time: Fri 03 Apr 2015 11:41:49 AM CDT
  cmdline:BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-3.10.0-229.1.2.el7.x86_64
  root=UUID=(blah, blah) ro vconsole.keymap=us
  vconsole.font=latarcyrheb-sun16 rhgb quiet LANG=en_US.UTF-8
  count:  1
  Directory:  /var/tmp/abrt/oops-2015-04-03-11:41:49-590-0
 
  Does this kernel.org bug look similar to yours?
 
  https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86771
 
  I suggest you try kernel-ml from ELRepo and see if that fixes the issue.
 
  Akemi

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Re: [CentOS] The future of centos


On Fri, 2015-04-03 at 21:27 -0400, Digimer wrote:

 Being on CentOS, it is then trivial for these
 companies to switch the RHEL proper.

Not if Centos and RHEL become too incompatible.


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Re: [CentOS] video problem since 2015-04-01 update

Updated the kernel as suggested to 3.19, did not solve problem.
Unbelievable!  Oh, well . . .


On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Francis Gerund ranr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Okay, thanks to all who took the time to reply.

 What a shame; I hadn't planned on spending Easter weekend learning to do
 kernel upgrades, but . . .   here it goes.



 On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Ned Slider n...@unixmail.co.uk wrote:



 On 03/04/15 20:41, Francis Gerund wrote:
  Well, it could be the same, but the bug report does seem to refer to the
  bug being in kernel series 3.18.  I am just using whatever 3.10 series
  kernel comes standard with Centos 7.x.
 

 Well, the CentOS kernel is a 3.10 kernel in name (or number) only. Red
 Hat backport much stuff from later kernels, and in this case that
 includes much broken code for the Intel i915 driver. The code is broken
 from around 3.15 and still not completely fixed in the current 4.0-rc6
 code base. Updating to a newer kernel, and hence a newer i915 driver,
 may or may not help, but it doesn't hurt to try.

  I don't know anything about bug reports, and I an not familiar with
  swapping out kernels in Centos.
 
  BTW, is El Repo another name for the EPEL repository?
 

 No, they are two completely separate repositories:

 http://wiki.centos.org/AdditionalResources/Repositories

 
 
  On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Akemi Yagi amy...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Francis Gerund ranr...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hello!
 
  No updates for days until 2015-04-01.  Then presented with huge
 steaming
  pile of updates all at once, apparently related to Centos 7.1 release.
 
  After reboot, there is a problem with the video.  It seems to flicker
  when
  the mouse pointer touches the screen edges.  Also, sometimes when
 viewing
  pages in Firefox, the window becomes partially covered with horizontal
  black lines.
 
  During reboots, before the login screen appears, there are quickly
  disappearing messages seeming to include references to drm:9 and
 some
  sort of underrun.
 
  In the terminal window, I get a message:
 
  ABRT has detected 3 problem(s). For more info run: abrt-cli list
 --since
  1428078184
 
  When I do that, I get:
 
  id (blah, blah)
  reason: WARNING: at drivers/gpu/drm/i915/intel_display.c:869
  intel_wait_for_vblank+0x211/0x220 [i915]()
  time: Fri 03 Apr 2015 11:41:49 AM CDT
  cmdline:BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-3.10.0-229.1.2.el7.x86_64
  root=UUID=(blah, blah) ro vconsole.keymap=us
  vconsole.font=latarcyrheb-sun16 rhgb quiet LANG=en_US.UTF-8
  count:  1
  Directory:  /var/tmp/abrt/oops-2015-04-03-11:41:49-590-0
 
  Does this kernel.org bug look similar to yours?
 
  https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86771
 
  I suggest you try kernel-ml from ELRepo and see if that fixes the
 issue.
 
  Akemi

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Re: [CentOS] OT: Recommended anti-virus for Windows

2015-04-03 Thread Valeri Galtsev

On Fri, April 3, 2015 8:29 am, James B. Byrne wrote:

On Thu, April 2, 2015 17:11, J Martin Rushton wrote:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Sorry to mention the opposition here, but I have a family member's
laptop to protect, and I'm not allowed to upgrade it to Linux. What's
the current best recommendation?
Thanks,

We (Harte Lyne Limited) formerly used F-Prot out of Iceland for the
remaining MS based desktops. We are presently switching to ClamAV for
Windows (http://www.clamav.net/download.html).

Norton is better than nothing; but nowhere near adequate. The rest
of the AV field I have no basis for evaluating.

MicroSoft's SE has sort of dropped out of the AV race. See:

http://www.howtogeek.com/173291/goodbye-microsoft-security-essentials-microsoft-now-recommends-you-use-a-third-party-antivirus

I for one would never trust MS as far as AV software is concerned: after
they first declared their system is not safe to run without 3rd party
software (antivirus).

All that said about AV options, I can't hold myself from mentioning:

The whole antivirus idea is fundamentally flawed. It is based on the
attempt to enumerate bad. You can not enumerate bad. You can enumerate
good, and prohibit everything else.

Valeri

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Re: [CentOS] Community voice (was [CentOS-announce] Release for CentOS Linux 7 (1503 ) on x86_64)

2015-04-03 Thread Phelps, Matthew

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Tim Bell tim.b...@cern.ch wrote:

  -Original Message-
  From: centos-boun...@centos.org [mailto:centos-boun...@centos.org] On
  Behalf Of Karanbir Singh
  Sent: 03 April 2015 01:00
  To: centos@centos.org
  Subject: Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-announce] Release for CentOS Linux 7 (1503
 ) on
  x86_64

  On 02/04/15 21:35, Phelps, Matthew wrote:

   See my reply earlier. The description of the centos-devel list says
   this is strictly about development.

  Matt, come join the contributor base - be a commnuity communication
 liason (
  or, I am sure we can find a title to quantify this ).

I can't take on any further time sinks. But see my comments below. I
question the need for such a thing.

 stretching this a bit futher : lets see if we can find 10 people who
 might be
  considered 'community beacons', who could / would act as commnuity comms
  and liason to make sure we are driving in the right directions and
 communicating
  things in the most impactful manner.

  I am willing to lobby the board to then allow this group to spectate and
  feedback into Board Meetings ( we meet once a month ).

It strikes me that RedHat spends money to do this with their customers. So
why not just do what RedHat does? Is that not the core philosophy of
CentOS? It's a non-commercial repackaging of RHEL. Why go in a different
direction in the first place?

I understand things have evolved beyond that simplistic viewpoint, but
perhaps CentOS should go back in that direction(?). It certainly would have
avoided this kerfuffle.

If external forces are moving CentOS towards becoming an entirely different
distro, then break the cord. Make the choice clear. (And tell us why, if
possible.)

 Limiting the influence of the community to spectate and feedback seems
 less than I would expect. If community involvement in governance is to be
 improved, it needs to be seen to make a difference. OpenStack has
 ambassadors (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Community/AmbassadorProgram)
 and elections to the 1/3 of the board from the community. This is probably
 too heavy for CentOS but some form of community representation with a
 genuine voice in governance would seem reasonable for an open source
 project.

 However, with the board rules as defined in
 http://www.centos.org/about/governance/joining-the-project/, it is
 difficult for someone who is a user of CentOS as opposed to a developer to
 meet the merit criteria. The current CentOS board membership would benefit
 from more diversity and different outlooks to help identify changes which
 need further community input such as this one.

  One data point I want to drop in here is that less than 0.1 % of the
 CentOS user
  base has any contact with the project ( wherein I imply, lists + forums
 + irc +
  bugs + wiki ), so we might need to spread the net wide to find a
 reasonable
  representation.

  thoughts ?

These numbers surprise me. Again, what about the RedHat customer base? The
20,000+ facebook users who liked the CentOS page may be another source of
different opinions. Perhaps the developers/board should engage them?

 The challenge here is to find the appropriate people to help since many
 will be paid for delivering value to their companies rather than being paid
 to work on CentOS. Given their limited time, I do not feel that requiring
 operators to follow a development list is the right solution to encourage
 more interaction.

 Tim

I agree with Tim. CentOS does need to do a much better job communicating
with their customers. And, yes, we are customers. Along with that, the
public facing members of the Community/developers need to be better
communicators. Statements like This is how it's going to be. I suggest you
familiarize yourself with it aren't endearing to the project.

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