On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 3:56 AM, Joerg Schilling
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Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Joerg Schilling
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There was no court
of that yourself, then
you would see there was no harm in adding a dual license to make it
clear to everyone else. It clearly has not hurt the popularity of
perl or BSD code to become GPL-compatible, nor has it forced anyone to
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separate differently-licensed works together on the same
medium or run them on the same box.
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.Maybe we could discuss
how badly perl has suffered from not being able to accept those GPL'd
patches that you fear so much.
Conclusion: dual licensing is not helpful and it even has disadvantages.
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On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 04:04:41PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
Interesting, but it seems to _only_ show groups that weren't included
in the anaconda install. For example where the saved anaconda-ks-cfg
shows @gnome
option is dual
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On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote:
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Is there an 'after the fact' way to find what yum groups are
installed, including ones that were added with 'yum groupinstall'
instead of the initial anaconda
. Anything else is just ranting on both our parts.
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On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote:
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 04:04:41PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
Interesting, but it seems to _only_ show groups that weren't included
think a lot of people have been put off by the GPL incompatibility
with your tools. If you want popularity - and usability, a
dual-license would work as perl shows.
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make it
clear for everyone else? It doesn't take anything away - unless you
really don't want it to be used in other projects.
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?Then why ask why it
isn't popular?
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It is really the GPL that has the restriction preventing
'best-of-breed' components being combined, but it doesn't matter, it
isn't going to change. I can see Sun being irritated with Linux
(and for good reason...) but isn't it time to let it go?
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Is there an 'after the fact' way to find what yum groups are
installed, including ones that were added with 'yum groupinstall'
instead of the initial anaconda install?
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On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Joerg Schilling
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There was no court case, but VERITAS published a modifed version of gtar where
additional code was added by binary only libraries from VERITAS. The FSF did
would permit that explicitly even when
some of the components' licenses prohibit it?
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be a factor in their choice?
Personally I can't reconcile RedHat's restriction on redistributing
binaries with the GPL's prohibition on additional restrictions, but
Centos makes that a non-issue.
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to deal with the
inability to combine with other widely used components. What's the
point - and what do you have against the way perl handles it?
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with the same feature set.
That may be the USA interpretation but on the other, European, side of
the Atlantic I believe
as a whole means generally BUT allowing for exceptions.
OK, great. That clears it up then.
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to load the code off the disk.
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somewhere_else perl some_script.pl
so it works even if I forget to chmod it executable...
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on the command
line. But not so much at doing real computation itself. Even with
perl if you have to do serious work you'll probably want modules that
link in compiled C libraries.
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and SysV on ATT's weird 3b machines?
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it is a
lot easier to access the data in a perl program.
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happening for a long time already with the dual server setup.
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On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Hugh E Cruickshank h...@forsoft.com wrote:
From: Les Mikesell Sent: April 21, 2015 09:19
Why do you care about running them at the same time when it doesn't
take longer to run them all in parallel? Except I think the root
filesystem normally runs first. So
all in parallel? Except I think the root
filesystem normally runs first. So you might want to stagger it vs.
everything else.
And unless you reboot frequently you are probably hitting the time
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. But that's
also kind of weird to have to do to get a consistent view of the
filesystem.And as far as what the default location should be -
what would be correct for portable code? Isn't /var/lib/something
kind of linux-centric? Where can an application expect to be able to
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the package installed.
(which, of course doesn't tell you if the files are trojans or not,
just that they came from a presumably signed package and haven't been
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On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote:
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 07:44:21AM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
The issue here really isn't systemd or the PrivateTmp feature but the
fact that some applications don't properly distinguish between temporary
files
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On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 5:01 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote:
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 04:15:23PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
Why does this directory have to be /tmp rather than a specific
directory belonging to twiki?
Twiki is a perl web application run under apache. It doesn't
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:00 PM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote:
On 4/15/2015 6:52 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
Mostly I'm interested in avoiding surprises and having code that isn't
married to the weirdness of any particular version of any particular
distribution. And I found
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 6:48 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote:
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 05:31:52PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
Thanks - I can see how those would work once you understand what is
broken on the target system and why, but is there a way that programs
'should' be written
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote:
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 03:55:34PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
Is there a generic way that processes written to share files with
(say) apache in /tmp can figure out that they are running on an OS
with systemd
updated with new zone
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that the reason fixing it was denied was that they
wouldn't change behavior mid-revision in 6.x. And now it is still not
fixed in 7.x, and a mid-rev change actually breaks things even more.
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It was discussed here, I think both before and after the mailman
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they
should run and pull in any other updates that are really needed via
rpm dependencies, you'll end up running a mix of things that no one
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discs?
Yes - 6.6 is available anyway. It is also a reasonable approach to
download and install from the 'minimal' iso and then 'yum
groupinstall' the package groups you need.
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going to track that? That is, one per iso release, or one for each
minor number with some extra junk tacked on now?
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On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Steve Thompson s...@vgersoft.com wrote:
On Thu, 2 Apr 2015, Les Mikesell wrote:
I didn't see any indication there that you were planning to turn the
/etc/redhat-release file into a symlink.
In CentOS, /etc/redhat-release has always been a symlink to
/etc
something.
And besides there's not much reason to think that user comments are
ever read on the -devel list. Like this one, for example:
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2014-June/010940.html
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been discussed on the -devel list - where in fact pretty
much all of the discussion was that the minor rev number was important
and should stay in.
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for the iso names
and the directory in vault.centos.org.
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does that have to do with an ISO name?
How, without a cross reference of some sort, do you know if a given
CentOS iso will install on hardware where you know that the needed
driver was added in an RH minor rev?
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only has
a summary of the RH releases or where the Centos release stands
compared to it. For example, what would you have said a few days ago?
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On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 11:51 AM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote:
On 4/2/2015 9:49 AM, Les Mikesell wrote:
How, without a cross reference of some sort, do you know if a given
CentOS iso will install on hardware where you know that the needed
driver was added in an RH minor rev
arbitrary difference in what you need to know about one major number
vs. another for the long interval they will co-exist.
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long thread where this naming was supposedly 'discussed', I
can't find a single user agreeing that dropping the minor number
reference out of the name was a sane thing to do.
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source of the missing information?
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just from
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the weird concept of using
the minor .0 in the initial iso name but dropping it out of subsequent
versions was better or chosen.
I see the directory created on vault.centos.org is surprisingly sane,
though, retaining the useful minor rev number.
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so you probably can't compile a new version either without installing
newer tools too.
What kind of application is this? Would it be practical to run it
remotely via ssh or a remote X window so you would only need one or a
few systems capable of running it?
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cat with:
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/tmp/c7libs/lib64:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
LD_PRELOAD=/tmp/c7libs/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
/tmp/c7libs/lib64/libc.so.6 /tmp/cat-7 /tmp/test
seems to work, but that's not a real demanding test...
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message, but
most people just think I sent it wrong.
Is there something you can do to make a plain text list show up
correctly short of converting it to html with br's?
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What about remote exectution? You might even give it access to local
files with x2go.
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Is there a reliable repo with viewvc for Centos7? Or some reason it
isn't in EPEL?
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be the
version of NSS - fedora-21 has 3.17 while centos is stuck at 3.16. Other than
that, I'm flumoxed.
Anyone got netflix running on centos-6?
The Ubuntu or Mint distos are probably the least painful path to
facebook/chrome on 32 bit hardware.
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is being held in the cr repo while
they are scrambling to get a full 7.1 release completed.
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anaconda, maybe you have automatic updates enabled
and there is nothing newer when you check.
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the updates for the latest release, whatever that
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in general release yet. Is that intentional, and don't some
number of people have to approve something before it gets out of
epel-testing? Does everyone else have cr enabled?
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- but it also makes it an ongoing issue for Centos
users to expect. It's not a serious problem for me, but it would be a
bad first experience with CentOS if someone tries to install a system
with MATE Desktop today.
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Does anyone know what's up with:
Error: Package: marco-1.8.3-1.el7.x86_64 (epel)
Requires: libgtop-2.0.so.10()(64bit)
Isn't the EPEL package built against stock Centos?
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, that's where it (still) was a few days ago I
believe. [I don't have my C7 laptop on so can't confirm things
quickly.]
Thanks, but it doesn't help to --enablerepo=epel-testing. The
libgtop2 package should be from the base repo anyway.
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Date: Thursday, March 26, 2015 16:18:45 -0500
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Cc:
Subject: Re: [CentOS] MATE
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:41 AM, Tris Hoar trish...@bgfl.org wrote:
On 24/03/2015 18:54, Les Mikesell wrote:
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Frank Cox thea...@melvilletheatre.com
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 12:56:27 -0500
Les Mikesell wrote:
Doesn't anyone have a list of the oldest
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Les Mikesell wrote:
Doesn't anyone have a list of the oldest
kernel version for each Centos version you could be running and still
avoid known problems?
The best answer to your
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On 03/06/2015 01:41 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
I just want the package revisions for at least the kernel and tzdata*
files and anything else where
members' privacy?
There is a real simple answer to privacy on facebook. Just don't post
anything there that you would not want to be public. Just like this
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that? If that would work, why fight with other ways of doing
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This is the scheme used in prior versions of RHEL.
I think both types of syntax will work in all versions. The GUI tools
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you that it
will save time if you send to the other router yourself. That way the
computers don't have to participate in real routing protocols.
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concept - or how it
will evolve with the change do systemd, but generally for the packages
that pick up option settings there you can avoid editing the main
config files and setting up conflicts with future rpm updates. It's
not perfect but it helps.
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the release rpm and
install with rpm).
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Not being able to find the mock package for CentOS, I thought maybe:
??? Mock is in EPEL.
setarch i686 rpmbuild -ba glibc.spec
If you repackaged the source rpm you should be able to:
mock -r epel-6-i386 --rebuild glibc-xxx.srpm
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bad in a number of ways.
On the contrary. NAT and HTTP are the reasons most households are
connected. But now we have http 2.0 to provide some pretense of
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On 03/06/2015 01:41 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
I just want the package revisions for at least the kernel and tzdata*
files and anything else where previously-found bugs related to the
leap second have been fixed
.
Does anyone have a succinct summary of how to prove to
management-types that a given linux box won't have a problem with the
leap second? Like kernel some_version, tzdata some_version,
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access to port 3128 also.
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Does anyone have a succinct summary of how to prove to
management-types that a given linux box won't have a problem with the
leap second? Like kernel some_version
in the middle of the night
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the fix about resetting
the date, but the guys who manage some SuSE systems started earlier
and ended up rebooting some of them - and they don't run java
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no one upstream has done any testing
yet? Or that I should have better resources for testing than they do?
I was hoping things weren't really that bad and that I just hadn't
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a reboot is no-trivial.
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looking at backuppc (well I'd recommend it even
more if you aren't doing regular backups...). But it works best with
a 2nd system doing the work and might not be a replacement for rsync
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-n or --dry-run to the options along with -v, it will
go through the motions and show you the files that would be
transferred without actually doing it.
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Are you sure the vmware NIC is configured as bridged, not NAT on the host side?
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jump around until the MAC addresses are recorded
in the etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules to nail them down.
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Is there some reason http://debuginfo.centos.org/6/x86_64/ is missing
a lua-debuginfo package? The /5/ and /7/ sections have it.
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two seconds
to exit.
Yeah - I did hit it about 6 times there. What do you have to do to
make it actually stop in some reasonable amount of time?
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