Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-17 Thread Valeri Galtsev
> On Dec 17, 2020, at 3:35 AM, Thomas Bendler wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 1:42 AM Nate Duehr wrote: > >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Matti Pulkkinen" >>> As someone who is considering moving to OL, I wonder if you could >> elaborate clearly on what specific concerns you

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-17 Thread Thomas Bendler
On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 1:42 AM Nate Duehr wrote: > -- Original Message -- > From: "Matti Pulkkinen" > >As someone who is considering moving to OL, I wonder if you could > elaborate clearly on what specific concerns you have, without the > insinuation and analogy? Oracle's proposition

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-16 Thread Valeri Galtsev
> On Dec 16, 2020, at 6:42 PM, Nate Duehr wrote: > > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Matti Pulkkinen" > >> As someone who is considering moving to OL, I wonder if you could elaborate >> clearly on what specific concerns you have, without the insinuation and >> analogy?

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-16 Thread Nate Duehr
-- Original Message -- From: "Matti Pulkkinen" As someone who is considering moving to OL, I wonder if you could elaborate clearly on what specific concerns you have, without the insinuation and analogy? Oracle's proposition [1] seems pretty straightforward to me. That they''

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-15 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 15/12/2020 à 17:04, Ruslanas Gžibovskis a écrit : > But free flag is in uncertain situation. > > And I have been working with UBK or how is shortened their unbreakable > kernel... No good ;)) we managed to break it ;)) and recover DB. I'm not sure you understand what you're saying. --

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-15 Thread Mauricio Tavares
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 12:53 PM Matti Pulkkinen wrote: > > Ruslanas Gžibovskis kirjoitti 15.12.2020 klo 18.04: > > I think Peter have already spent some time and read around agreement and so > > on. So the price is understandable. And really, everyone need to keep in > > mind that anyone can

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-15 Thread Matti Pulkkinen
Ruslanas Gžibovskis kirjoitti 15.12.2020 klo 18.04: I think Peter have already spent some time and read around agreement and so on. So the price is understandable. And really, everyone need to keep in mind that anyone can change their licence any time. If You ask personally me, Matti, I do not

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-15 Thread Ruslanas Gžibovskis
I think Peter have already spent some time and read around agreement and so on. So the price is understandable. And really, everyone need to keep in mind that anyone can change their licence any time. If You ask personally me, Matti, I do not see point using oracleLinux if can use Rocky/fedora

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-15 Thread Matti Pulkkinen
Ruslanas Gžibovskis kirjoitti 15.12.2020 klo 11.14: Legal and "can do" are 2 different things. ;) As someone who is considering moving to OL, I wonder if you could elaborate clearly on what specific concerns you have, without the insinuation and analogy? Oracle's proposition [1] seems pretty

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-15 Thread Peter Huebner
Am Dienstag, den 15.12.2020, 10:14 +0100 schrieb Ruslanas Gžibovskis: > GPL stuff applies only to GPL parts, but they can have Oracle blob in > everything. The same time, TM's and so on... According to the Oracle license terms and official statements, it is "free to download, use and share. There

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-15 Thread Ruslanas Gžibovskis
GPL stuff applies only to GPL parts, but they can have Oracle blob in everything. The same time, TM's and so on... Do you know how one of the biggest cases with torrents and MS products was won against guys who shared it? Because MS TM was used incorrect way, sharing ISO files of ALL MS projects

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-14 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 14/12/2020 à 23:18, Ruslanas Gžibovskis a écrit : > Just in case, as the third author linked, read the Licence Agreement, > everything will be there. Since Red Hat source code is mostly GPL, the same thing applies to Oracle Linux. > > And a small remark: > Even if you can take a knife in a

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-14 Thread Ruslanas Gžibovskis
hi all. Just in case, as the third author linked, read the Licence Agreement, everything will be there. And a small remark: Even if you can take a knife in a shopping mall and stab with it anyone within the same shopping mall, does not say that it is legal. But you can, Please do not try it in

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-12 Thread Frank Cox
On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 18:29:08 +0100 Nicolas Kovacs wrote: > Here's my take on it: > > https://blog.microlinux.fr/migration-centos-oracle-linux/ That's a really excellent article, Nicholas. Thanks ever so much for posting about your experience. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Real D 3D Digital Cinema ~

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-12 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 08/12/2020 à 18:54, Frank Cox a écrit : > Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos? I'm asking because genuinely don't > know; I've never paid any attention to Oracle's Linux offering before now. I spent the last three days experimenting with it. Here's my take on it:

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-10 Thread Leon Fauster via CentOS
Am 10.12.20 um 19:53 schrieb Ljubomir Ljubojevic: On 12/10/20 5:50 PM, Frank Cox wrote: On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 17:34:55 +0100 Gianluca Cecchi wrote: But also Virtual Box is just, you know... Oracle... ;-) Sorry, I couldn't resist Yeah, I was thinking exactly that when I typed that sentence,

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-10 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 10/12/2020 à 17:31, Frank Cox a écrit : > I think I'll play with it in a Virtual Box installation and see what goes on. > > It does look interesting. It's just, you know... Oracle On a side note, the migration script centos2ol.sh currently only works for Oracle Linux 7. On a whim I sent

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-10 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
On 12/10/20 5:50 PM, Frank Cox wrote: > On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 17:34:55 +0100 > Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > >> But also Virtual Box is just, you know... Oracle... ;-) >> >> Sorry, I couldn't resist > > Yeah, I was thinking exactly that when I typed that sentence, too. :) > There is always

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-10 Thread Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS
On 10.12.2020 23:18, Frank Cox wrote: > On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 10:17:04 +0100 > Nicolas Kovacs wrote: > >> Le 09/12/2020 à 17:52, Frank Cox a écrit : >>> Is it necessary to create an Oracle account to do anything with Oracle Linux >>> that can't be done without creating an account? In other words,

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-10 Thread Frank Cox
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 17:34:55 +0100 Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > But also Virtual Box is just, you know... Oracle... ;-) > > Sorry, I couldn't resist Yeah, I was thinking exactly that when I typed that sentence, too. :) -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Real D 3D Digital Cinema ~ www.melvilletheatre.com

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-10 Thread Gianluca Cecchi
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 5:31 PM Frank Cox wrote: > > > Ok, thanks! > > I think I'll play with it in a Virtual Box installation and see what goes > on. > > It does look interesting. It's just, you know... Oracle > > > But also Virtual Box is just, you know... Oracle... ;-) Sorry, I

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-10 Thread Frank Cox
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 17:21:43 +0100 Nicolas Kovacs wrote: > Le 10/12/2020 à 17:18, Frank Cox a écrit : > > Is it just the part at the bottom that says "Free to use, free to download, > > free to update. Always." > > That's it. I know Oracle's history, but I think for Oracle Linux, they may be >

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-10 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 10/12/2020 à 17:18, Frank Cox a écrit : > Is it just the part at the bottom that says "Free to use, free to download, > free to update. Always." That's it. I know Oracle's history, but I think for Oracle Linux, they may be much better than their reputation. I'm currently fiddling around with

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-10 Thread Frank Cox
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 10:17:04 +0100 Nicolas Kovacs wrote: > Le 09/12/2020 à 17:52, Frank Cox a écrit : > > Is it necessary to create an Oracle account to do anything with Oracle Linux > > that can't be done without creating an account? In other words, does Oracle > > Linux demand that you log

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-10 Thread Rainer Traut
Am 09.12.20 um 17:52 schrieb Frank Cox: On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 11:18:25 +0100 Rainer Traut wrote: Based on my extremely limited knowledge around Oracle Linux, it sounds like that might be a go-to solution for Centos refugees. But is it, really? Yes, it is better than Centos and in some

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-10 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 09/12/2020 à 17:52, Frank Cox a écrit : > Is it necessary to create an Oracle account to do anything with Oracle Linux > that can't be done without creating an account? In other words, does Oracle > Linux demand that you log into Oracle to complete an installation, update > that installation,

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-09 Thread Jon Pruente
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 4:26 AM Rainer Traut wrote: > > > Oracle Linux FAQ (PDF): > > https://www.oracle.com/a/ocom/docs/027617.pdf > > There is no subscription needed. All needed repositories for the oVirt > based virtualization are freely available. > > >

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-09 Thread Frank Cox
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 11:18:25 +0100 Rainer Traut wrote: > > Based on my extremely limited knowledge around Oracle Linux, it sounds like > > that might be a go-to solution for Centos refugees. > > > > But is it, really? > > > > Yes, it is better than Centos and in some aspects better than RHEL: >

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-09 Thread Rainer Traut
Hi, Am 08.12.20 um 19:03 schrieb Jon Pruente: On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:54 AM Frank Cox wrote: Based on my extremely limited knowledge around Oracle Linux, it sounds like that might be a go-to solution for Centos refugees. But is it, really? KVM is a subscription feature. They want you

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-09 Thread Rainer Traut
Am 08.12.20 um 18:54 schrieb Frank Cox: Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos? I'm asking because genuinely don't know; I've never paid any attention to Oracle's Linux offering before now. But today I've seen a couple of the folks here mention Oracle Linux and I see that Oracle even

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-09 Thread Gianluca Cecchi
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 10:05 AM Karl Vogel wrote: [snip] > > FWIW, my 6.10 installation had this in /etc/redhat-release: > Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server release 6.10 (Santiago) > > Only to point out that while in CentOS (8.3, but the same in 7.x) the situation is like this:

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-09 Thread Karl Vogel
>> On Tue, 08 Dec 2020 12:54:32 -0500, >> Frank Cox might just possibly have said: F> Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos? I'm asking because genuinely F> don't know; I've never paid any attention to Oracle's Linux offering F> before now. I've used Unix/Linux at Wrig

Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-08 Thread Jon Pruente
On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:54 AM Frank Cox wrote: > Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos? I'm asking because genuinely > don't know; I've never paid any attention to Oracle's Linux offering before > now. > > But today I've seen a couple of the folks here mention Oracle Li

[CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

2020-12-08 Thread Frank Cox
Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos? I'm asking because genuinely don't know; I've never paid any attention to Oracle's Linux offering before now. But today I've seen a couple of the folks here mention Oracle Linux and I see that Oracle even offers a script to convert Centos 7 to Oracle