Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-26 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 1/25/21 2:05 PM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote: > > >> Am 25.01.2021 um 17:04 schrieb Johnny Hughes : >> >> On 1/22/21 5:12 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: >>> On 1/22/21 9:29 AM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote: > Hence it is as good as dead in my mind when looking into the future, I > am

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-26 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
On 1/26/21 10:36 AM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: > Le 26/01/2021 à 08:10, Ljubomir Ljubojevic a écrit : >> But even simple thing like buying space on Google account with >> debit/credit card is too complicated for some so I ended up paying with >> my card to get them more "Gmail space" > > *cringe* >

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-26 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 26/01/2021 à 08:10, Ljubomir Ljubojevic a écrit : > But even simple thing like buying space on Google account with > debit/credit card is too complicated for some so I ended up paying with > my card to get them more "Gmail space" *cringe* First thing I do with new clients is replace their

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-25 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
On 1/26/21 2:25 AM, Frank Cox wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 01:05:54 + > Phil Perry wrote: > >> Let me rephrase then. If you were installing Windows on that machine for >> your customer, who would 'own' the licence - you or your customer? > > I'd have the customer buy it, just like I have

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-25 Thread Frank Cox
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 01:05:54 + Phil Perry wrote: > Let me rephrase then. If you were installing Windows on that machine for > your customer, who would 'own' the licence - you or your customer? I'd have the customer buy it, just like I have the customer buy the hardware today. My usual

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-25 Thread Phil Perry
On 25/01/2021 20:47, Frank Cox wrote: On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:17:17 + Phil Perry wrote: I'm assuming your customer has the relationship with Red Hat and entitlement to 16 free copies, and you are their sub-contracted IT professional responsible for installation and maintaining / supporting

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-25 Thread Frank Cox
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:17:17 + Phil Perry wrote: > I'm assuming your customer has the relationship with Red Hat and > entitlement to 16 free copies, and you are their sub-contracted IT > professional responsible for installation and maintaining / supporting > that installation. That's a

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-25 Thread Phil Perry
On 25/01/2021 20:05, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote: Am 25.01.2021 um 17:04 schrieb Johnny Hughes : I mean, I get it, some people are very upset with the new way CentOS is being done. And obviously people get to think what they think. But when this was announced, it was also announced that

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-25 Thread John R. Dennison
On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 09:05:12PM +0100, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote: > > We suggested CentOS 8 to our customers. And we have been badly f***ed > the a**. Sorry for the wording that you may assume, but that is how it is. Could you at least pretend to be professional when posting to our

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-25 Thread Marc Balmer via CentOS
> Am 25.01.2021 um 17:04 schrieb Johnny Hughes : > > On 1/22/21 5:12 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: >> On 1/22/21 9:29 AM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote: Hence it is as good as dead in my mind when looking into the future, I am looking for future distro of choice. >>> >>> A little

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-25 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 1/21/21 2:28 PM, Jamie Burchell wrote: > The RHEL announcement is of no use to me or my company. We spin up > DigitalOcean droplets for each of our client websites/apps. If we were > utilising horizontal scaling we'd have even more droplets per website/app. > We'd easily have over 16

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-25 Thread Johnny Hughes
On 1/22/21 5:12 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > On 1/22/21 9:29 AM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote: >>> Hence it is as good as dead in my mind when looking into the future, I >>> am looking for future distro of choice. >> >> A little mentioned choice would be openSUSE, which is direction I am

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-25 Thread Thomas Bendler
On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 11:15 PM Nicolas Kovacs wrote: > Le 21/01/2021 à 22:17, Valeri Galtsev a écrit : > > I tried Oracle Linux. After installation it took forever to update yum > > database, or do you yum search. Also: I didn't find mirrors... All this > sort of > > ruled it out for me. > >

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-23 Thread Valeri Galtsev
> On Jan 23, 2021, at 10:05 PM, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS > wrote: > > On 22.01.2021 21:08, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >>> On Jan 22, 2021, at 6:43 AM, Nikolaos Milas wrote: >>> >>> On 22/1/2021 2:25 μ.μ., Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: >>> Also, I can still expect they will

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-23 Thread Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS
On 23.01.2021 01:04, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 07:25:04AM -0500, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: >> I wonder whether RH plan to fight back FUD they've brought upon by their >> December announcement. > > I mean really the only thing we can do is live up to the

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-23 Thread Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS
On 22.01.2021 21:08, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> On Jan 22, 2021, at 6:43 AM, Nikolaos Milas wrote: >> >> On 22/1/2021 2:25 μ.μ., Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: >> >>> Also, I can still expect they will again change their mind close to >>> 2021's end. In short, I have hard time trusting RH in

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-23 Thread Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS
On 22.01.2021 19:39, J Martin Rushton via CentOS wrote: > > > On 22/01/2021 12:25, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: > > >> JMNSHO. >> > eh? Just My Not So Humble Opinion. -- Sincerely, Konstantin Boyandin system administrator (ProWide Labs Ltd. - IPHost Network Monitor)

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-23 Thread edward via CentOS
On 1/23/2021 6:45 AM, Strahil Nikolov via CentOS wrote: openSUSE has one big benefit which we do not have with CentOS -> you can upgrade your openSUSE to pure SUSE (if you need subscription) and you will be fully supported. RH refused to do that with CentOS - always reinstall. appears redhat

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-23 Thread Strahil Nikolov via CentOS
В 18:42 +0100 на 22.01.2021 (пт), Nicolas Kovacs написа: > Le 22/01/2021 à 18:04, Valeri Galtsev a écrit : > > I tried SUSE maybe 2-3 years later than you (around 2003). The > > first thing I > > disliked was: they have yast on top of standard configurations. > > First of > > all, it is quite

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-23 Thread Strahil Nikolov via CentOS
В 12:12 +0100 на 22.01.2021 (пт), Ljubomir Ljubojevic написа: > On 1/22/21 9:29 AM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote: > > > Hence it is as good as dead in my mind when looking into the > > > future, I > > > am looking for future distro of choice. > > > > A little mentioned choice would be openSUSE,

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 05:41:11PM -0600, John R. Dennison wrote: > I am not sure that speaking in absolutes does anyone any good. Sure. Anything can happen, but these particular things are highly unlikely, and not just arbitrarily. If either of them were to happen, there would absolutely (sorry,

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On January 22, 2021 5:06:41 PM CST, Matthew Miller wrote: >On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 08:35:44PM +, Jamie Burchell wrote: >> Can RH put a stop to projects like Rocky Linux? > >Yes, in two possible ways. > >First, Red Hat could stop making RHEL. The amount of work that goes >into >this is

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread John R. Dennison
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 06:06:41PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > I am not sure that speaking in absolutes does anyone any good. John -- Everything happens for a reason. And that reason is normally physics. - Anonymous signature.asc

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread edward via CentOS
On 1/22/2021 7:24 AM, mark wrote: Well, y'know, right now is sorta like after RH 9, when suddenly there was this RHEL, and IIRC, you could get it for free for home/small use, then suddenly it was "nope, gotta pay". Been here before, not happy. mark     i think Fedora linux is a

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 08:35:44PM +, Jamie Burchell wrote: > Can RH put a stop to projects like Rocky Linux? Yes, in two possible ways. First, Red Hat could stop making RHEL. The amount of work that goes into this is _quite_ significant, particularly in terms of the long-term stability that

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Phil Perry
On 22/01/2021 21:08, Frank Cox wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 20:51:09 + Jamie Burchell wrote: So RH could make it difficult for downstream projects such a Rocky Linux. I don't imagine Redhat will go out of their way to make it easy for Rocky Linux. But there's a point beyond which they

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Frank Cox
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 20:51:09 + Jamie Burchell wrote: > So RH could make it difficult for downstream projects such a Rocky Linux. I don't imagine Redhat will go out of their way to make it easy for Rocky Linux. But there's a point beyond which they can't go without contravening the GPL

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Jamie Burchell
So RH could make it difficult for downstream projects such a Rocky Linux. > On 22 Jan 2021, at 20:46, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > >  > > On 1/22/21 2:39 PM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote: Am 22.01.2021 um 21:36 schrieb Jamie Burchell : >>> >>> Can RH put a stop to projects like Rocky

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On 1/22/21 2:39 PM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote: Am 22.01.2021 um 21:36 schrieb Jamie Burchell : Can RH put a stop to projects like Rocky Linux? No. Theoretically, no. I'm confident solid company will always comply with GNU license. But in practice one can change the way source

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Jamie Burchell
Good. At least I can consider moving to that without fear of RH pulling the plug! > On 22 Jan 2021, at 20:39, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote: > >  > >> Am 22.01.2021 um 21:36 schrieb Jamie Burchell : >> >> Can RH put a stop to projects like Rocky Linux? > > No. > >> > On 22 Jan 2021,

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Marc Balmer via CentOS
> Am 22.01.2021 um 21:36 schrieb Jamie Burchell : > > Can RH put a stop to projects like Rocky Linux? No. > >>> On 22 Jan 2021, at 18:04, Matthew Miller wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 07:25:04AM -0500, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS >>> wrote: >>> I wonder whether RH plan to

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Jamie Burchell
Can RH put a stop to projects like Rocky Linux? > On 22 Jan 2021, at 18:04, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 07:25:04AM -0500, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS > wrote: >> I wonder whether RH plan to fight back FUD they've brought upon by their >> December announcement. > > I

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 07:25:04AM -0500, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: > I wonder whether RH plan to fight back FUD they've brought upon by their > December announcement. I mean really the only thing we can do is live up to the given plan with Stream and RHEL options, which as far

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On 1/22/21 11:42 AM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: Le 22/01/2021 à 18:04, Valeri Galtsev a écrit : I tried SUSE maybe 2-3 years later than you (around 2003). The first thing I disliked was: they have yast on top of standard configurations. First of all, it is quite unpleasant to deal with: infinitely

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 22/01/2021 à 18:04, Valeri Galtsev a écrit : > I tried SUSE maybe 2-3 years later than you (around 2003). The first thing I > disliked was: they have yast on top of standard configurations. First of > all, it is quite unpleasant to deal with: infinitely long single file > containing all

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On 1/22/21 9:15 AM, Simon Matter wrote: Le 21/01/2021 à 23:30, Scott Robbins a écrit : People pull up all sorts of technical reasons to justify what is, in the end, an emotional decision. There is, of course, the possibility to go beyond that. For example, I am not exactly fond of Oracle as

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Valeri Galtsev
> On Jan 22, 2021, at 5:12 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > > On 1/22/21 9:29 AM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote: >>> Hence it is as good as dead in my mind when looking into the future, I >>> am looking for future distro of choice. >> >> A little mentioned choice would be openSUSE, which is

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Julio E. Gonzalez
On 1/22/21 1:46 PM, Frank Cox wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 16:15:28 +0100 Simon Matter wrote: OL specific stuff like UEK Here might be a good place to ask a question that I haven't really found a definitive answer to. What, exactly, is the Unbreakable Enterprise Kernel? RHEL/Centos 8 has

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Frank Cox
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 16:15:28 +0100 Simon Matter wrote: > OL specific stuff like UEK Here might be a good place to ask a question that I haven't really found a definitive answer to. What, exactly, is the Unbreakable Enterprise Kernel? RHEL/Centos 8 has kernel version 4.18. The current Fedora

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 22/01/2021 à 16:16, Lamar Owen a écrit : > For my uses and purposes, Fedora's six month cycle is too fast (I've been on > that roller coaster before, no desire to go back to it). CentOS Stream's > continuous release cycle is too fast, especially in the kernel ABI > department.  > I believe

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread mark
On 1/22/21 9:10 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 at 08:32, Gionatan Danti wrote: Il 2021-01-22 13:43 Nikolaos Milas ha scritto: I think we can expect Rocky Linux to provide a real solution to CentOS future. We shall know very soon, so let's just wait for a short while.

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Lamar Owen
On 1/21/21 5:50 PM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: Debian has an average of two years[*] per support. Oracle has ten like upstream RHEL. Choice is pretty clear to me. [*] one year after subsequent release, so an average of one to three years depending on installation date So, I want to address the

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Simon Matter
> Le 21/01/2021 à 23:30, Scott Robbins a écrit : >> People pull up all sorts of technical reasons to justify >> what is, in the end, an emotional decision. > > There is, of course, the possibility to go beyond that. For example, I am > not > exactly fond of Oracle as a company, for reasons you

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Lamar Owen
On 1/22/21 9:10 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: My guess is that no one wants to go to a new OS alone. They want to go with all their mailing list buddies but they also want to make a STATEMENT to stick it in the eye of Red Hat for doing this. Going to a staid and quiet existing OS doesn't

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 at 08:32, Gionatan Danti wrote: > Il 2021-01-22 13:43 Nikolaos Milas ha scritto: > > I think we can expect Rocky Linux to provide a real solution to CentOS > > future. We shall know very soon, so let's just wait for a short while. > > Hi, there are any specific reasons to not

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Valeri Galtsev
> On Jan 22, 2021, at 6:43 AM, Nikolaos Milas wrote: > > On 22/1/2021 2:25 μ.μ., Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: > >> Also, I can still expect they will again change their mind close to >> 2021's end. In short, I have hard time trusting RH in such a situation. > Then flee from RedHat

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Scott Robbins
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 12:39:08PM +, J Martin Rushton via CentOS wrote: > > > On 22/01/2021 12:25, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: > > > > JMNSHO. Just My Not So Humble Opinion. I wonder if it's just because I'm old, but I do get tired of acronyms, especially when people actually

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 21/01/2021 à 23:30, Scott Robbins a écrit : > People pull up all sorts of technical reasons to justify > what is, in the end, an emotional decision. There is, of course, the possibility to go beyond that. For example, I am not exactly fond of Oracle as a company, for reasons you probably know

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Gionatan Danti
Il 2021-01-22 13:43 Nikolaos Milas ha scritto: I think we can expect Rocky Linux to provide a real solution to CentOS future. We shall know very soon, so let's just wait for a short while. Hi, there are any specific reasons to not use Spingdale Linux? As far I know, it already ships a RHEL 8.3

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Nikolaos Milas
On 22/1/2021 2:25 μ.μ., Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: Also, I can still expect they will again change their mind close to 2021's end. In short, I have hard time trusting RH in such a situation. That's exactly how I feel too. I don't trust them. I think we can expect Rocky Linux to

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread J Martin Rushton via CentOS
On 22/01/2021 12:25, Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS wrote: JMNSHO. eh? -- J Martin Rushton MBCS ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS
On 21.01.2021 22:46, Victor Pereira wrote: > I see that this is as an impulse for Fedora so that we as users do not > leave RedHat after the news ... even so I still think how good it is for > the linux community this whole situation makes us a good shakeup. > Cheers, I wonder whether RH plan to

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
On 1/22/21 9:29 AM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote: >> Hence it is as good as dead in my mind when looking into the future, I >> am looking for future distro of choice. > > A little mentioned choice would be openSUSE, which is direction I am taking. I do not like system where configuration app can

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Jos Vos
On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 05:30:33PM -0500, Scott Robbins wrote: Like Valeri, I have a fondness for FreeBSD. Regardless, I think Nicolas is correct. I remember reading a post in an old usenet (I think) discussion of mutt vs. pine (before it became alpine) where someone said words to the

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-22 Thread Marc Balmer via CentOS
> Am 22.01.2021 um 08:40 schrieb Ljubomir Ljubojevic : > > On 1/21/21 11:40 PM, John R. Dennison wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 11:36:44PM +0100, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: >>> On 1/21/21 8:53 PM, Alfredo Perez wrote: Is this good news for the "Centos" family? >>> >>> There is

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
On 1/21/21 11:40 PM, John R. Dennison wrote: > On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 11:36:44PM +0100, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: >> On 1/21/21 8:53 PM, Alfredo Perez wrote: >>> Is this good news for the "Centos" family? >>> >> >> There is no CentOS "family". CentOS clone is dead and will be now > > Odd that

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread John R. Dennison
On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 11:15:50PM +, Phil Perry wrote: > > Surely anyone requiring less than 16 licences will now ditch CentOS 7 in > favour of RHEL7? The rest may stay on CentOS 7 for a year or so until there > is a clearer picture around viable alternatives. This may as well become the >

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Steve Thompson
On Thu, 21 Jan 2021, Phil Perry wrote: On 21/01/2021 22:40, John R. Dennison wrote: Surely anyone requiring less than 16 licences will now ditch CentOS 7 in favour of RHEL7? Drat. I have 25 systems at home running CentOS 7.9, and one system running OEL 7.9. Steve --

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread J Martin Rushton via CentOS
Hi Nick, There's always Springdale: https://puias.math.ias.edu/ On 21/01/2021 22:00, Antonio Leding wrote: Thanks Nick, I was just writing a post to solicit opinions on a good goto distro for CentOS replacement.  I am somewhat dubious on wanting to move to free-RHEL and based on what

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Phil Perry
On 21/01/2021 22:40, John R. Dennison wrote: On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 11:36:44PM +0100, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: On 1/21/21 8:53 PM, Alfredo Perez wrote: Is this good news for the "Centos" family? There is no CentOS "family". CentOS clone is dead and will be now Odd that you say it's

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On 1/21/21 4:53 PM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: Fun fact: if a big part of my job didn't consist in teaching Linux and writing books about it, I'd probably be running FreeBSD myself. Understandable. The big part of Microsoft is selling their operating system, for servers included, and even they

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On 1/21/21 4:50 PM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: Le 21/01/2021 à 23:18, Valeri Galtsev a écrit : No, I already streamlined Debian routine installation (workstations and number crunchers), and servers run FreeBSD since lng ago, so I'm all set, and much better than in the past ;-) Thanks though.

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 21/01/2021 à 23:23, Stephen John Smoogen a écrit : > I think from years of posting that FreeBSD is how Valeri's brain works best > and that is cool. Some people have certain OS paradigms where they function > best and are able to solve problems better than another system. For other > people it

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 21/01/2021 à 23:18, Valeri Galtsev a écrit : > No, I already streamlined Debian routine installation (workstations and number > crunchers), and servers run FreeBSD since lng ago, so I'm all set, and > much > better than in the past ;-) > > Thanks though. Debian has an average of two

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread John R. Dennison
On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 11:36:44PM +0100, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > On 1/21/21 8:53 PM, Alfredo Perez wrote: > > Is this good news for the "Centos" family? > > > > There is no CentOS "family". CentOS clone is dead and will be now Odd that you say it's dead when 7 doesn't sunset until June

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On 1/21/21 4:30 PM, Scott Robbins wrote: On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 05:23:24PM -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 at 17:15, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: I think from years of posting that FreeBSD is how Valeri's brain works best and that is cool. Some people have certain OS

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Ljubomir Ljubojevic
On 1/21/21 8:53 PM, Alfredo Perez wrote: > Is this good news for the "Centos" family? > There is no CentOS "family". CentOS clone is dead and will be now replaced with no-cost RHEL, so in market share (over time) CentOS will be replaced with RHEL. CentOS Stream will be used solely by developers

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Scott Robbins
On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 05:23:24PM -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 at 17:15, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: > > > > > > I think from years of posting that FreeBSD is how Valeri's brain works best > and that is cool. Some people have certain OS paradigms where they function > best

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 at 17:15, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: > Le 21/01/2021 à 22:17, Valeri Galtsev a écrit : > > I tried Oracle Linux. After installation it took forever to update yum > > database, or do you yum search. Also: I didn't find mirrors... All this > sort of > > ruled it out for me. > >

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On 1/21/21 4:15 PM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote: Le 21/01/2021 à 22:17, Valeri Galtsev a écrit : I tried Oracle Linux. After installation it took forever to update yum database, or do you yum search. Also: I didn't find mirrors... All this sort of ruled it out for me. Works perfectly here:

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 21/01/2021 à 22:39, Valeri Galtsev a écrit : > Maybe my problem was I used yum, not dnf command. Oracle's documentation is at least as well-written as the FreeBSD handbook. https://www.oracle.com/linux/technologies/ -- Microlinux - Solutions informatiques durables 7, place de l'église -

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Nicolas Kovacs
Le 21/01/2021 à 22:17, Valeri Galtsev a écrit : > I tried Oracle Linux. After installation it took forever to update yum > database, or do you yum search. Also: I didn't find mirrors... All this sort > of > ruled it out for me. Works perfectly here:

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Antonio Leding
Thanks Nick, I was just writing a post to solicit opinions on a good goto distro for CentOS replacement. I am somewhat dubious on wanting to move to free-RHEL and based on what you’ve said here, looks like Rocky deserves my attention… If it does indeed become the successor as you’ve

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On 1/21/21 3:31 PM, Frank Cox wrote: On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 15:17:04 -0600 Valeri Galtsev wrote: I tried Oracle Linux. After installation it took forever to update yum database, or do you yum search. Also: I didn't find mirrors... All this sort of ruled it out for me. Mind that I have 1 Gbps

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread edward via CentOS
On 1/21/21 1:17 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: After installation it took forever to update yum database, or do you yum search. Also: I didn't find mirrors... I don't think mirrors exist. appears updates comes directly from Oracle this way their users/clients know those servers are always there

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Nikolaos Milas
On 21/1/2021 11:17 μ.μ., Valeri Galtsev wrote: I tried Oracle Linux. After installation it took forever to update yum database, or do you yum search. Also: I didn't find mirrors... All this sort of ruled it out for me. Don't worry, Rocky Linux is in good track; Latest update:

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Frank Cox
On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 15:17:04 -0600 Valeri Galtsev wrote: > I tried Oracle Linux. After installation it took forever to update yum > database, or do you yum search. Also: I didn't find mirrors... All this > sort of ruled it out for me. Mind that I have 1 Gbps network... So far I've installed

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Valeri Galtsev
On 1/21/21 2:24 PM, Frank Cox wrote: On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 13:57:19 -0600 Scott Techlist wrote: So this will muddy the waters for the spin-offs like Rocky Linux, or kill them? I'd assume at least it would dilute who'd need an alternate Centos replacement except those with more than 16

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Jamie Burchell
The RHEL announcement is of no use to me or my company. We spin up DigitalOcean droplets for each of our client websites/apps. If we were utilising horizontal scaling we'd have even more droplets per website/app. We'd easily have over 16 installations. > On 21 Jan 2021, at 19:57, Scott

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Frank Cox
On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 13:57:19 -0600 Scott Techlist wrote: > So this will muddy the waters for the spin-offs like Rocky Linux, or kill > them? I'd assume at least it would dilute who'd need an alternate Centos > replacement except those with more than 16 servers. Or did I misunderstand > the

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Scott Techlist
>See: >https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/01/centos-is-gone-but-rhel-is-now-free-for-up-to-16-production-servers/ >and >https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/new-year-new-red-hat-enterprise-linux-programs-easier-ways-access-rhel >-- >J Martin Rushton MBCS So this will muddy the waters for the

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Alfredo Perez
Is this good news for the "Centos" family? On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 11:35 AM Victor Pereira wrote: > On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 1:12 PM Hugh E Cruickshank > wrote: > > > From: Victor Pereira Sent: January 21, 2021 07:47 > > > > > > I see that this is as an impulse for Fedora so that we as users do

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Victor Pereira
On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 1:12 PM Hugh E Cruickshank wrote: > From: Victor Pereira Sent: January 21, 2021 07:47 > > > > I see that this is as an impulse for Fedora so that we as users do not > > leave RedHat after the news ... even so I still think how good it is > > for the linux community this

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Hugh E Cruickshank
From: Victor Pereira Sent: January 21, 2021 07:47 > > I see that this is as an impulse for Fedora so that we as users do not > leave RedHat after the news ... even so I still think how good it is > for the linux community this whole situation makes us a good shakeup. While I while I welcome the

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-21 Thread Victor Pereira
I see that this is as an impulse for Fedora so that we as users do not leave RedHat after the news ... even so I still think how good it is for the linux community this whole situation makes us a good shakeup. Cheers, On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 8:57 PM Kay Schenk wrote: > Thanks for the info! I

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-20 Thread Kay Schenk
Thanks for the info! I will pass it along! On 1/20/21 7:02 AM, J Martin Rushton via CentOS wrote: See: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/01/centos-is-gone-but-rhel-is-now-free-for-up-to-16-production-servers/ and

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-20 Thread mario juliano grande-balletta
finalmente! era ora! On Wed, 2021-01-20 at 22:40 +0100, paride desimone wrote: > De Profundis > Il giorno mer 20 gen 2021 alle ore 16:02 J Martin Rushton via CentOS< > centos@centos.org> ha scritto: > > See: >

Re: [CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-20 Thread paride desimone
De Profundis Il giorno mer 20 gen 2021 alle ore 16:02 J Martin Rushton via CentOS ha scritto: > > See: > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/01/centos-is-gone-but-rhel-is-now-free-for-up-to-16-production-servers/ > and >

[CentOS] RHEL changes

2021-01-20 Thread J Martin Rushton via CentOS
See: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/01/centos-is-gone-but-rhel-is-now-free-for-up-to-16-production-servers/ and https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/new-year-new-red-hat-enterprise-linux-programs-easier-ways-access-rhel -- J Martin Rushton MBCS ___