Re: interview questions
Heh... yea, you were only learning the onTap tools because you saw something you thought might help you resolve some problems you were having with the framework your company had before you got there -- which is a bit different than simply picking it up for general purpose. :) Definately, I have gone into interviews where I was seen as advanced from the code I brought with me and questions I answered. Then I have gone into interviews where my lack of FB made me appear novice. I really should learn some just to have it under my belt for those interviews. However I have yet to feel I was in a bind enough to warrant learning another framework that I may or may not ever use depending on who is employing me. In all my CF interviews, the FB question has only popped up twice so I would not say it is something that will always come up. s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://macromedia.breezecentral.com/p49777853/ http://www.sys-con.com/author/?id=4806 http://www.fusiontap.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2310 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: interview questions
Actually, no I have been looking into the onTap framework during my free time because I was thinking about proposing we branch into something else that might allow better projects to be whipped out of here. Really was not to resolve any problems, they are actually are very content with their current framework which is why if I ever propose something it will have to at least be as easy to use as the current if not more easy. That makes for an interesting challenge when you see how this current one works and how people end up working with it. But sadly I see no change happening here. Just yesterday a co-worker was talked to for using a UDF and some inner joins on a page that I helped him with. The reason was that they did not understand the syntax used so that was wrong and it needs to be made inefficient. On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:53:37 -0500, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh... yea, you were only learning the onTap tools because you saw something you thought might help you resolve some problems you were having with the framework your company had before you got there -- which is a bit different than simply picking it up for general purpose. :) Definately, I have gone into interviews where I was seen as advanced from the code I brought with me and questions I answered. Then I have gone into interviews where my lack of FB made me appear novice. I really should learn some just to have it under my belt for those interviews. However I have yet to feel I was in a bind enough to warrant learning another framework that I may or may not ever use depending on who is employing me. In all my CF interviews, the FB question has only popped up twice so I would not say it is something that will always come up. s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://macromedia.breezecentral.com/p49777853/ http://www.sys-con.com/author/?id=4806 http://www.fusiontap.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2311 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: interview questions
I hope a certain few people aren't reading this reply, but I got told not to use cffunction on a project because they didn't understand it!! The reason was that they did not understand the syntax used so that was wrong and it needs to be made inefficient. said Aaron Rouse :OD -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 23/03/2005 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2314 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: interview questions
Been there, done that, the company went under within a few months of my leaving. My original manager, who hired me to do basic web page editing, was scared of allowing me to do anything beyond his abilities incase it showed him up as bad; then again he constantly slagged us off to managers while praising us in person. I'm sure glad I'm not there any more. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:15 AM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: interview questions But sadly I see no change happening here. Just yesterday a co-worker was talked to for using a UDF and some inner joins on a page that I helped him with. The reason was that they did not understand the syntax used so that was wrong and it needs to be made inefficient. I've seen that before... annoys the hell out of me when a manager does that... the message essentially is that people should, instead of being expected to learn, intentionally use methods which are inefficient to avoid learning so that no one else will ever need to learn anything to understand their work... garbage... it's a great way to completely eliminate the possibility of ever producing anything genuinely innovative. s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://macromedia.breezecentral.com/p49777853/ http://www.sys-con.com/author/?id=4806 http://www.fusiontap.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2315 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: interview questions
Got a name for that company? ;O) -Original Message- From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 March 2005 15:23 To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: RE: interview questions Been there, done that, the company went under within a few months of my leaving. My original manager, who hired me to do basic web page editing, was scared of allowing me to do anything beyond his abilities incase it showed him up as bad; then again he constantly slagged us off to managers while praising us in person. I'm sure glad I'm not there any more. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:15 AM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: interview questions But sadly I see no change happening here. Just yesterday a co-worker was talked to for using a UDF and some inner joins on a page that I helped him with. The reason was that they did not understand the syntax used so that was wrong and it needs to be made inefficient. I've seen that before... annoys the hell out of me when a manager does that... the message essentially is that people should, instead of being expected to learn, intentionally use methods which are inefficient to avoid learning so that no one else will ever need to learn anything to understand their work... garbage... it's a great way to completely eliminate the possibility of ever producing anything genuinely innovative. s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://macromedia.breezecentral.com/p49777853/ http://www.sys-con.com/author/?id=4806 http://www.fusiontap.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2317 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: interview questions
Is there really such a thing as job security? :) On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:20:21 -0500, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...it needs to be made inefficient. looking for job security Aaron? larry On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:04:48 -0600, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But sadly I see no change happening here. Just yesterday a co-worker was talked to for using a UDF and some inner joins on a page that I helped him with. The reason was that they did not understand the syntax used so that was wrong and it needs to be made inefficient. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2318 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: interview questions
I should have said was that guy looking for job security? I have had to handle all sorts of crap code, spaghetti code etc. All too frequently the person who develped the site was not unintelligent. So that's the best explanation I can come up with - he or she is about the only person who understands the code, so they'll never get fired. larry On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:15:59 -0600, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there really such a thing as job security? :) On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:20:21 -0500, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...it needs to be made inefficient. looking for job security Aaron? larry On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:04:48 -0600, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But sadly I see no change happening here. Just yesterday a co-worker was talked to for using a UDF and some inner joins on a page that I helped him with. The reason was that they did not understand the syntax used so that was wrong and it needs to be made inefficient. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2319 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: interview questions
My only guess is he feels threatened when he sees anyone else doing something beyond his current skillset. I'd guess that is only natural for a lot of people. I personally try to learn said skillset and leach all their knowledge :) Would be a strange thing for someone in that position to feel though because he probably has more job security here than anyone else and solely due to all his established contacts. On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:25:31 -0500, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should have said was that guy looking for job security? I have had to handle all sorts of crap code, spaghetti code etc. All too frequently the person who develped the site was not unintelligent. So that's the best explanation I can come up with - he or she is about the only person who understands the code, so they'll never get fired. larry On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:15:59 -0600, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there really such a thing as job security? :) On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:20:21 -0500, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...it needs to be made inefficient. looking for job security Aaron? larry On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:04:48 -0600, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But sadly I see no change happening here. Just yesterday a co-worker was talked to for using a UDF and some inner joins on a page that I helped him with. The reason was that they did not understand the syntax used so that was wrong and it needs to be made inefficient. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2320 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: interview questions
Exactly. We're in a field where things change and change rapidly. I fully expect to have to learn new skills every few years just to keep up. That person is slashing his own throat with that attitude. larry On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:30:26 -0600, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My only guess is he feels threatened when he sees anyone else doing something beyond his current skillset. I'd guess that is only natural for a lot of people. I personally try to learn said skillset and leach all their knowledge :) Would be a strange thing for someone in that position to feel though because he probably has more job security here than anyone else and solely due to all his established contacts. On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:25:31 -0500, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should have said was that guy looking for job security? I have had to handle all sorts of crap code, spaghetti code etc. All too frequently the person who develped the site was not unintelligent. So that's the best explanation I can come up with - he or she is about the only person who understands the code, so they'll never get fired. larry On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:15:59 -0600, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there really such a thing as job security? :) On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:20:21 -0500, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...it needs to be made inefficient. looking for job security Aaron? larry On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:04:48 -0600, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But sadly I see no change happening here. Just yesterday a co-worker was talked to for using a UDF and some inner joins on a page that I helped him with. The reason was that they did not understand the syntax used so that was wrong and it needs to be made inefficient. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2322 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: interview questions
I hear people say that a lot. I really don't know if I agree. Languages come and go, but the concepts behind the languages and good programming do not really change. If you learn the Conncept, you can easily learn new languages. At 12:52 PM 3/24/2005, you wrote: Exactly. We're in a field where things change and change rapidly. I fully expect to have to learn new skills every few years just to keep up. That person is slashing his own throat with that attitude. larry -- Jeffry Houser, Web Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Recording Studio: http://www.fcfstudios.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2323 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Guess it depends, I could see how learning a new language could be called learning a new skill. On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:07:21 -0500, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear people say that a lot. I really don't know if I agree. Languages come and go, but the concepts behind the languages and good programming do not really change. If you learn the Conncept, you can easily learn new languages. At 12:52 PM 3/24/2005, you wrote: Exactly. We're in a field where things change and change rapidly. I fully expect to have to learn new skills every few years just to keep up. That person is slashing his own throat with that attitude. larry -- Jeffry Houser, Web Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Recording Studio: http://www.fcfstudios.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2324 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: interview questions
I would agree with that. I was responding more to the first sentence than the rest. People say that we are in a field where things change rapidly. I really don't think that's the case. Syntax (languages) change, as does hardware changes, but the underlying concepts have not. Unfortunately most schools appear to teach to a language and most jobs hire for the language without taking into account general programming skill. At 01:17 PM 3/24/2005, you wrote: Guess it depends, I could see how learning a new language could be called learning a new skill. On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:07:21 -0500, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear people say that a lot. I really don't know if I agree. Languages come and go, but the concepts behind the languages and good programming do not really change. If you learn the Conncept, you can easily learn new languages. At 12:52 PM 3/24/2005, you wrote: Exactly. We're in a field where things change and change rapidly. I fully expect to have to learn new skills every few years just to keep up. That person is slashing his own throat with that attitude. larry -- Jeffry Houser, Web Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Recording Studio: http://www.fcfstudios.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2326 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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At 02:18 PM 3/24/2005, you wrote: snip that's the case. Syntax (languages) change, as does hardware changes, but the underlying concepts have not. Unfortunately most schools appear to I'm not so sure that's true. While the fundamentals of programming -- if-then, for loop, etc. -- dont' change much from language to language. Concepts like design patterns and refactoring have vastly changed the way I do programming, Learning about any new concepts may change the way I do programming. Every time I learn something new, it can affect the way I do development. However, my knowledge / learning of the existence of an approach does not mean it did not exist before. At a high level, there are two main approaches to application development in use today: Procedural and Object Oriented. Neither paradigm is new. I'm willing to accept that we (as a computer industry) know more about best practices or how to approach problems than we did 10 or 20 years ago. Design Patterns and other such things are coming about as a way to solve common development problems. However, they are really applications of the development approach. Time tested solutions do not come into existence and change quickly. -- Jeffry Houser, Web Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Recording Studio: http://www.fcfstudios.com Connecticut Macromedia User Group: http://www.ctmug.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2328 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
