Re: Contracts for work
It's not normal in my experience. What are some of the escape clauses and where do you live? This is what I find to be bothersome: 3.2. Payments. SSA shall remit payment to Contractor when the monies are received from SSAâs customer and on receipt of all properly submitted invoices, unless otherwise agreed upon in writing in Section 7 of the Order. The Contractor shall not be entitled to payment to the extent that the client refuses to pay SSA for the services of the Contractorâs employees because of unsatisfactory performance. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2696 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Contracts for work
Oh, that's bad. You should work by the hours, not by projects. You should get paid weekly or bi-weekly. You just do your job. Whether the customers are satisfied with it is not your problem. It is SSA's problem, unless you have direct contact with the customers and responsible for writing the specs, creating the wireframe, designing the front-end prototype and meeting with the customers to make sure they are happy with it. Your job is to make the features functional according to the specs and that's it. This says that they put all the responsibilities on you. They don't take any responsibilities for the project. They just sit in the middle and take the profit and no loss. We all look after ourselves, but we can't work for people whose sole concern is their own well-being, and not ours. You should definitely ask them to revise the contract. In my experience, they always do, but you have to be nice. Don't give them an ultimatum. Although in my experience, it is like dating. You have to kiss many frogs before you meet a prince OR princess :-) When you are new and in needs of money and experience, frogs are just coming out from every direction. Once you are in a good place financially and expertise, princes or princesses start to gradually appear from the distance :-) Johnny It's not normal in my experience. What are some of the escape clauses and where do you live? This is what I find to be bothersome: 3.2. Payments. SSA shall remit payment to Contractor when the monies are received from SSAâs customer and on receipt of all properly submitted invoices, unless otherwise agreed upon in writing in Section 7 of the Order. The Contractor shall not be entitled to payment to the extent that the client refuses to pay SSA for the services of the Contractorâs employees because of unsatisfactory performance. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2697 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Contracts for work
It's not normal in my experience. What are some of the escape clauses and where do you live? This is what I find to be bothersome: 3.2. Payments. SSA shall remit payment to Contractor when the monies are received from SSAâs customer and on receipt of all properly submitted invoices, unless otherwise agreed upon in writing in Section 7 of the Order. The Contractor shall not be entitled to payment to the extent that the client refuses to pay SSA for the services of the Contractorâs employees because of unsatisfactory performance. So what they're saying is if our client doesn't like your work and decides not to pay us, we're not paying you, and we're not going to try and do anything about it. I don't find it especially surprising. I don't know if it's common. I don't consider it a good contract, Imo a good contract would need to specify that if the client stiffs them they still pay you and take the client either to court or to collections, as the company you're working for a) has the right to do that and b) is in a far better financial position to lose that money. My understanding is that IT consulting companies that hire subcontractors don't just mark up your work 15% or so like it's a mass-produced product -- they typically charge a minimum of 2x your rate to the end client (usually closer to 3x). They then turn around and take a larger number of projects and all the extra money that's coming into the company from these projects and use that extra to pay their sales staff, office rent, etc. It's true that some of them do go out of business for financial reasons, but you don't want to work for a company in that position anyway. If the company is stable, they're much better able to deal with deadbeat clients than you are. s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2698 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Contracts for work
Even more than 3x. I had this company paid me $35/hour, and charged the clients $160/hour, but of course, they always paid me on time and never questioned my charges. Anyway, like Louis said if there are many clauses, it is a red flag. Even if they agree to fix them all, it is a bad sign. They will try to cheat you out of your money later - one way or another. It will be a lot of headaches later. It also sounds like this is a new inexperience company. It is a headache to deal with inexperience companies. Johnny It's not normal in my experience. What are some of the escape clauses and where do you live? This is what I find to be bothersome: So what they're saying is if our client doesn't like your work and decides not to pay us, we're not paying you, and we're not going to try and do anything about it. I don't find it especially surprising. I don't know if it's common. I don't consider it a good contract, Imo a good contract would need to specify that if the client stiffs them they still pay you and take the client either to court or to collections, as the company you're working for a) has the right to do that and b) is in a far better financial position to lose that money. My understanding is that IT consulting companies that hire subcontractors don't just mark up your work 15% or so like it's a mass-produced product -- they typically charge a minimum of 2x your rate to the end client (usually closer to 3x). They then turn around and take a larger number of projects and all the extra money that's coming into the company from these projects and use that extra to pay their sales staff, office rent, etc. It's true that some of them do go out of business for financial reasons, but you don't want to work for a company in that position anyway. If the company is stable, they're much better able to deal with deadbeat clients than you are. s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2701 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
