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I don't think people are less ecstatic about it. I think it's matured. It's less a field of College kids with no life outside the workplace and dot coms, with free flowing jolt and skittles. And like Damien said, some of us have no families and lives outside work, which imo is healthy. I'd rather work for a company that wants workers to have a life than one that doesn't As to 06 looking good. yeah mine is starting to shape up nicely. J On 1/19/06, Damien McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] IT no longer seems to be a field where people are ecstatic about it and want to live and breath IT 24/7. Some people have a spouse and child(ren) waiting for them when they get home, but sneak in as much geeking as they can anyway :-) -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h -- John Wilker Writer/Web Consultant www.johnwilker.com / www.red-omega.com The measure of success is not whether you have a tough problem to deal with, but whether it's the same problem you had last year. ~John Foster Dulles, Former US Sec. of State. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2841 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I saw little benifit in Fusebox at the time. Confusing longwinded, and time consuming, it seemed faster to work within a linear approach. I definately liked Fusebox when I first started working with it (late FB2 though I didn't really start working with it 'till FB3). It wasn't until later that I became disenchanted with it because I found myself doing a lot of repetitive coding, which I know some people avoid with the use of mind mapping tools like FuseBuilder, though I'm not real happy with that idea either. I don't like the idea of code-gen tools for creating beans (or beans in general) or really much of anything. Not sure if that bias against code gen tools makes me more or less marketable in the workplace. I do know that being a framework author tends to put off some potential employers because of the thinking that I might not be loyal (split when my own software becomes profitable) or might not work so hard on their projects or because they perceive my own work as being in competition with the framework they've chosen (i.e. how can someone who develops their own framework be good at FB or Mach-II). Although I'm working on an FB4 application right now. Yes I would rather be working with my own, but I certainly don't consider myself a slob with FB4 (which is admittedly far superior to FB3 and _might_ have kept me from developing my own framework had it been available at the time -- I'm glad it didn't because I get a lot more work done at home and we'll be using onTap for the next iteration of the software at my new day job). I don't so much blame them for the loyalty question -- yeah, I'd love for my own software to become profitable enough that I can do whatever I want. Employers want the young, but they also want the experienced, and the experienced may be a lot like me. No degree, self trained, and bouncing from position to position to keep our heads above water while we support our families and try to get ahead. That does a pretty good job of describing myself as well. Corporations are finally seeing the advantage of ColdFusion. Adobe's purchase of Macromedia will only improve that outlook while giveing the product greater stability and marketing clout. I suspect that depends a lot on what business sector you've been working in... I'm told that CF has had a good chunk of the government market for a long time, and we see those job listings for DC all the time. What some job seekers are going to have to realize is that, to obtain the money positions they desire, they will need to put some effort into learning their craft's. They are going to have to pick up a book or a course or 10, and learn about architectures and methodologies. That has so not been my experience... I'm in a good place now work-wise, so I'll make public my brutally honest observation (though I may have anyway). Its seemed to me for quite some time that employers are much less concerned with a programmers ability to perform their job than with their ability to be socially normative. I've never given much credence to social normalcy myself -- there are lot of social norms that I find unpleasant. But when it's a choice between the quirky unitarian-hippie guy who's always learning and can and will thread a needle with CF and the slob who spends all day in the office trying to find some way not to work, the guy who's downloading pornographic christmas carols and playing them out loud in the office will a) be paid more and b) keep his job longer (true story). Or I'm just jaded and bitter. CF went from being the first web application server to getting a bad rap in the programming community as a tag-based procedural web scripting language. Only now is it coming into the corporate consciousnous that CF is a rich, powerful, rapid-application-development language, built upon J2EE, that lends itself beautifully to either a procedural base or an OO methodology, and the developers that they want to leverage that flexability are those that can work within both worlds. I'm not convinced the rap for CF has been worse than for other languages... I've hear people say that Python is the definitive OO language, but when I've looked at use comparisons, it's always near the bottom when compared to CF, ASP and PHP. I've never seen a use comparison in which CF wasn't _close_ to the top near ASP if CF was included -- I tend to think the omission of CF has occurred in some of those cases not because it wasn't being used but rather because whoever compiled the data was biased against it. A zealot might include Java, ASP, PHP, Python and Lotus Notes for various reasons but then say ColdFusion isn't a real language and disclude it, without it being really indicative of the reputation of the server/language except perhaps in his or her isolated subculture. s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open
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On 1/11/06, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IT no longer seems to be a field where people are ecstatic about it and want to live and breath IT 24/7. Some people just want to do there job and go home. There are always exceptions, of course, but they seem to be exceptions rather than the norm. I think there are just two groups/types of developers now. Developers who do it cause they love it and developers who are just punching a timeclock. The folks who love it stay on top of trends, learn new things constantly and participate int he community. The folks who are just punching a timeclock just do what they know how to do and don't really strive to learn more unless it's shoved down their throat. I see ALOT of the timeclock punchers on the corporate side and a few of the love it developers. On the agency/consulting side I see alot more love it people and fewer timeclock punchers. -Cameron On 1/11/06, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've found that a lot of people get deep into one area of CF without getting a lot of Breadth of the language. I doubt think that is unique to CF, though. It doesn't surprise me that a developer doesn't know cfqueryparam. IT no longer seems to be a field where people are ecstatic about it and want to live and breath IT 24/7. Some people just want to do there job and go home. There are always exceptions, of course, but they seem to be exceptions rather than the norm. I bet the number of people using frameworks in CF is very low (compared to the number of CF Developers). The number of people using an OO framework like Model-Glue or Mach-II is even smaller. I would expect an intermediate programmer to understand basic OO concepts, even if they are not framework aware. You're more than welcome to say but a developer should take it upon himself to go out and learn. I agree (probably most people will) but not everyone does it. At 08:11 PM 1/11/2006, you wrote: CF jobs have increased in Ohio. I think if I would have held out at my old position for another year I could have had my choice of about 4 different companies. That being said I am pretty happy with my choice to go where I am. However we too need a developer and can't find crap. THe most experienced person we had apply didn't even know what cfqueryparam did. A cf developer that knows OOP yeah right. Model-Glue, Mach-II? Those are simply a products we sell. Adam On 1/5/06, Robert Reno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems like I have been getting double the usual calls for CF openings in Florida. Has anyone else noticed more calls where you are? I even had two direct calls from companies hiring in addition to the recruiters calling. Rob in Tampa ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2826 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Nice to see CF's popularity steadily rising over the past year, from 25th most popularly discussed and documented language in 1/05, per the TIOBE Programming Community Index, to 16th as of 1/06. Very strong upward delta: http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm Apologies if this has already been posted in the thread, but I'm off in Montana, and skimming by webmail right now. Leo __ Leo M. Schuman, JD, MCMI+D Macromedia Certified Master Instructor Schooner Technical Media, Inc. http://www.schoonertech.com Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jan 12 08:43:11 2006 Received: from houseoffusion.com [64.118.74.249] by mail23.webcontrolcenter.com with SMTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:43:11 -0700 Received: from LOCALHOST by LOCALHOST with ESMTP id 28872C9AF8F4904BA1C3ADD0A10A09DC Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:43:31 -0500 Subject: Re: 2006 Turn Around? From: s. isaac dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cf-jobs-talk@houseoffusion.com To: CF-Jobs-Talk cf-jobs-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:41:36 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-SmarterMail-Spam: SPF_None X-Rcpt-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I saw little benifit in Fusebox at the time. Confusing longwinded, and time consuming, it seemed faster to work within a linear approach. I definately liked Fusebox when I first started working with it (late FB2 though I didn't really start working with it 'till FB3). It wasn't until later that I became disenchanted with it because I found myself doing a lot of repetitive coding, which I know some people avoid with the use of mind mapping tools like FuseBuilder, though I'm not real happy with that idea either. I don't like the idea of code-gen tools for creating beans (or beans in general) or really much of anything. Not sure if that bias against code gen tools makes me more or less marketable in the workplace. I do know that being a framework author tends to put off some potential employers because of the thinking that I might not be loyal (split when my own software becomes profitable) or might not work so hard on their projects or because they perceive my own work as being in competition with the framework they've chosen (i.e. how can someone who develops their own framework be good at FB or Mach-II). Although I'm working on an FB4 application right now. Yes I would rather be working with my own, but I certainly don't consider myself a slob with FB4 (which is admittedly far superior to FB3 and _might_ have kept me from developing my own framework had it been available at the time -- I'm glad it didn't because I get a lot more work done at home and we'll be using onTap for the next iteration of the software at my new day job). I don't so much blame them for the loyalty question -- yeah, I'd love for my own software to become profitable enough that I can do whatever I want. Employers want the young, but they also want the experienced, and the experienced may be a lot like me. No degree, self trained, and bouncing from position to position to keep our heads above water while we support our families and try to get ahead. That does a pretty good job of describing myself as well. Corporations are finally seeing the advantage of ColdFusion. Adobe's purchase of Macromedia will only improve that outlook while giveing the product greater stability and marketing clout. I suspect that depends a lot on what business sector you've been working in... I'm told that CF has had a good chunk of the government market for a long time, and we see those job listings for DC all the time. What some job seekers are going to have to realize is that, to obtain the money positions they desire, they will need to put some effort into learning their craft's. They are going to have to pick up a book or a course or 10, and learn about architectures and methodologies. That has so not been my experience... I'm in a good place now work-wise, so I'll make public my brutally honest observation (though I may have anyway). Its seemed to me for quite some time that employers are much less concerned with a programmers ability to perform their job than with their ability to be socially normative. I've never given much credence to social normalcy myself -- there are lot of social norms that I find unpleasant. But when it's a choice between the quirky unitarian-hippie guy who's always learning and can and will thread a needle with CF and the slob who spends all day in the office trying to find some way not to work, the guy who's downloading pornographic christmas carols and playing them out loud in the office will a) be paid more and b) keep his job longer (true story). Or I'm just jaded and bitter. CF went from being the first web application server to getting a bad rap in the programming community as a tag-based procedural web scripting language. Only now is it coming into the corporate
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Hi Mike, I live in Cary and am in the market for new position. I have attached a text version of my resume for your review. If you need another format let me know but I assume that as a recruiter you will most likely reformat it any way. If not, just let me know. Chris Stoner On 1/11/06, Burchett, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of more opportunities...I am looking to fill multiple positions for several dynamic clients here in the Charlotte, NC area. Aquent is an international firm looking to fill positions all over the world however, these particular positions happen to be in Charlotte. I have clients looking for solid CF developers on several levels. If you are interested in a permanent position in this great city, please contact me at the number below. You can also email me back if you wish. Of course it goes without saying, I would really appreciate any referrals if you happen to know some good CF developers who may not see this email. I have multiple positions to fill so the more response, the better. Regards, Mike Burchett Charlotte-IT Branch Manager ___ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2813 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Seeing as it's cf-jobs-talk, what's a dynamic client? :O) Ade -Original Message- From: Burchett, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 January 2006 20:59 To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: RE: 2006 Turn Around? Speaking of more opportunities...I am looking to fill multiple positions for several dynamic clients here in the Charlotte, NC area. Aquent is an international firm looking to fill positions all over the world however, these particular positions happen to be in Charlotte. I have clients looking for solid CF developers on several levels. If you are interested in a permanent position in this great city, please contact me at the number below. You can also email me back if you wish. Of course it goes without saying, I would really appreciate any referrals if you happen to know some good CF developers who may not see this email. I have multiple positions to fill so the more response, the better. Regards, Mike Burchett Charlotte-IT Branch Manager ___ AQUENT 2815 Coliseum Centre Drive, Suite 230 | Charlotte, NC 28217 | 704.338.9119 X3015 800.479.9119 Toll Free 704.338.9185 Fax | http://www.aquent.com/ Aquent is a global professional services firm that integrates people, process and technology to deliver business results through staffing, outsourcing and consulting ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2814 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Sorry list members, I just noticed I replied to the list. I thought I was in the cfjobs list which replys to the sender and not the list. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2815 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Perhaps this should be moved off of CF Jobs. A lot of people using this list have positions they are recruiting for but if there is no intent to post a particular job but rather, for someone to just build and gather a pool of candidates in case a job comes up, it seems like a violation of the spirit of the list. If you have a specific job your recruiting for post it. If you just want people to know your company has jobs throughout the Country and your trying to stock pile.come on. Incidentally I have A p[position I am recruiting for in the North DC suburbs. - Coldfusion Developer (MX certification/experience preferred, 5.0 or 4.5 acceptable) - Min 5+ years commercial development experience with ColdFusion - Strong database background (SQL Server 2000 preferred) - ability to write efficient SQL queries minimally, but ability to build databases good understanding of DB schema, structure, etc. preferred - HTML/DHTML, CSS and Javascript - Team player with drive and time management experience - Comfortable working in an environment filled with frequent change and challenge - High level of integrity and confidentiality - Take pride in quality workmanship and have an eye for detail - Be available for work outside of standard business hours as required - BS in Computer Science preferred Also, Require: Good Communication Skill, Ability to understand and clarify customers requirements, especially related to search engine specification or search result deficiencies Experience with information search and retrieval, including evaluation of search results Good Java programming skills and strong object oriented design Experience creating and using XMK and XSL transforms (in Java) XHTML CSS Skills, including cross browser development with regards for accessibility Knowledge in text paring or language recognition Prefer: Medical background or experience with medical information and terminology Experience programming tag based web applications (esp. ColdFusion 6/7) Experience on UNIX (esp. Solaris) SQL programming skills Experience with Oracle and L/SQL Programming skills Experience using version control software (esp. Subversion) Kindest Regards, Michael Perlstein Vice President - Business Development AboutWeb LLC Macromedia Authorized Training Partner Microsoft Certified Solutions Provider Corporate Headquarters 6177 Executive Blvd Rockville, MD 20852 GSA #GS35F0367L 301.468.9246 x154 (Office) 703-869-6086 (Mobile) 301.468.9670 (Fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AboutWeb.com -Original Message- From:Burchett, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Jobs-Talk ; Sent: Jan 11, 2006 04:06:27 PM Subject: RE: 2006 Turn Around? Speaking of more opportunities...I am looking to fill multiple positions for several dynamic clients here in the Charlotte, NC area. Aquent is an international firm looking to fill positions all over the world however, these particular positions happen to be in Charlotte. I have clients looking for solid CF developers on several levels. If you are interested in a permanent position in this great city, please contact me at the number below. You can also email me back if you wish. Of course it goes without saying, I would really appreciate any referrals if you happen to know some good CF developers who may not see this email. I have multiple positions to fill so the more response, the better. Regards, Mike Burchett Charlotte-IT Branch Manager ___ AQUENT 2815 Coliseum Centre Drive, Suite 230 | Charlotte, NC 28217 | 704.338.9119 X3015 800.479.9119 Toll Free 704.338.9185 Fax | Aquent is a global professional services firm that integrates people, process and technology to deliver business results through staffing, outsourcing and consulting -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 5:03 PM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: 2006 Turn Around? On 1/5/06, Jeff Gombala wrote: I haven't noticed more postings, other than my own, but I do know from experience that there aren't many (if any) qualified developers avaliable for hire in the Atlanta area. Who knows, I might have posted in all the wrong areas. Atlanta's a tight market. Alot of good people there, but also a ton of CF work to be done. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress Sumo Consulting Inc http://www.sumoc.com --- cell: 678.637.5072 aim: cameroncf email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2816 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support
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ugh, this is cf-jobs-talk'talk' indicating talking about cf-jobs. Post actual jobs on cf-jobs. DK On 11 Jan 2006 16:44:19 -0500, Michael Perlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps this should be moved off of CF Jobs. A lot of people using this list have positions they are recruiting for but if there is no intent to post a particular job but rather, for someone to just build and gather a pool of candidates in case a job comes up, it seems like a violation of the spirit of the list. If you have a specific job your recruiting for post it. If you just want people to know your company has jobs throughout the Country and your trying to stock pile.come on. Incidentally I have A p[position I am recruiting for in the North DC suburbs. - Coldfusion Developer (MX certification/experience preferred, 5.0 or 4.5 acceptable) - Min 5+ years commercial development experience with ColdFusion - Strong database background (SQL Server 2000 preferred) - ability to write efficient SQL queries minimally, but ability to build databases good understanding of DB schema, structure, etc. preferred - HTML/DHTML, CSS and Javascript - Team player with drive and time management experience - Comfortable working in an environment filled with frequent change and challenge - High level of integrity and confidentiality - Take pride in quality workmanship and have an eye for detail - Be available for work outside of standard business hours as required - BS in Computer Science preferred Also, Require: Good Communication Skill, Ability to understand and clarify customer's requirements, especially related to search engine specification or search result deficiencies Experience with information search and retrieval, including evaluation of search results Good Java programming skills and strong object oriented design Experience creating and using XMK and XSL transforms (in Java) XHTML CSS Skills, including cross browser development with regards for accessibility Knowledge in text paring or language recognition Prefer: Medical background or experience with medical information and terminology Experience programming tag based web applications (esp. ColdFusion 6/7) Experience on UNIX (esp. Solaris) SQL programming skills Experience with Oracle and L/SQL Programming skills Experience using version control software (esp. Subversion) Kindest Regards, Michael Perlstein Vice President - Business Development AboutWeb LLC Macromedia Authorized Training Partner Microsoft Certified Solutions Provider Corporate Headquarters 6177 Executive Blvd Rockville, MD 20852 GSA #GS35F0367L 301.468.9246 x154 (Office) 703-869-6086 (Mobile) 301.468.9670 (Fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AboutWeb.com -Original Message- From:Burchett, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Jobs-Talk ; Sent: Jan 11, 2006 04:06:27 PM Subject: RE: 2006 Turn Around? Speaking of more opportunities...I am looking to fill multiple positions for several dynamic clients here in the Charlotte, NC area. Aquent is an international firm looking to fill positions all over the world however, these particular positions happen to be in Charlotte. I have clients looking for solid CF developers on several levels. If you are interested in a permanent position in this great city, please contact me at the number below. You can also email me back if you wish. Of course it goes without saying, I would really appreciate any referrals if you happen to know some good CF developers who may not see this email. I have multiple positions to fill so the more response, the better. Regards, Mike Burchett Charlotte-IT Branch Manager ___ AQUENT 2815 Coliseum Centre Drive, Suite 230 | Charlotte, NC 28217 | 704.338.9119 X3015 800.479.9119 Toll Free 704.338.9185 Fax | Aquent is a global professional services firm that integrates people, process and technology to deliver business results through staffing, outsourcing and consulting -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 5:03 PM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: 2006 Turn Around? On 1/5/06, Jeff Gombala wrote: I haven't noticed more postings, other than my own, but I do know from experience that there aren't many (if any) qualified developers avaliable for hire in the Atlanta area. Who knows, I might have posted in all the wrong areas. Atlanta's a tight market. Alot of good people there, but also a ton of CF work to be done. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress Sumo Consulting Inc http://www.sumoc.com --- cell: 678.637.5072 aim: cameroncf email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2817 Archives: http
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CF jobs have increased in Ohio. I think if I would have held out at my old position for another year I could have had my choice of about 4 different companies. That being said I am pretty happy with my choice to go where I am. However we too need a developer and can't find crap. THe most experienced person we had apply didn't even know what cfqueryparam did. A cf developer that knows OOP yeah right. Model-Glue, Mach-II? Those are simply a products we sell. Adam On 1/5/06, Robert Reno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems like I have been getting double the usual calls for CF openings in Florida. Has anyone else noticed more calls where you are? I even had two direct calls from companies hiring in addition to the recruiters calling. Rob in Tampa ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2819 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I've found that a lot of people get deep into one area of CF without getting a lot of Breadth of the language. I doubt think that is unique to CF, though. It doesn't surprise me that a developer doesn't know cfqueryparam. IT no longer seems to be a field where people are ecstatic about it and want to live and breath IT 24/7. Some people just want to do there job and go home. There are always exceptions, of course, but they seem to be exceptions rather than the norm. I bet the number of people using frameworks in CF is very low (compared to the number of CF Developers). The number of people using an OO framework like Model-Glue or Mach-II is even smaller. I would expect an intermediate programmer to understand basic OO concepts, even if they are not framework aware. You're more than welcome to say but a developer should take it upon himself to go out and learn. I agree (probably most people will) but not everyone does it. At 08:11 PM 1/11/2006, you wrote: CF jobs have increased in Ohio. I think if I would have held out at my old position for another year I could have had my choice of about 4 different companies. That being said I am pretty happy with my choice to go where I am. However we too need a developer and can't find crap. THe most experienced person we had apply didn't even know what cfqueryparam did. A cf developer that knows OOP yeah right. Model-Glue, Mach-II? Those are simply a products we sell. Adam On 1/5/06, Robert Reno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems like I have been getting double the usual calls for CF openings in Florida. Has anyone else noticed more calls where you are? I even had two direct calls from companies hiring in addition to the recruiters calling. Rob in Tampa ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2820 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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At one of the places I do work at there are some people there who have been doing CFM work for every bit of 5 years and have no idea what cfqueryparam is amongst many other things. Then I know we have Lotus Notes people who have similar flaws On 1/11/06, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've found that a lot of people get deep into one area of CF without getting a lot of Breadth of the language. I doubt think that is unique to CF, though. It doesn't surprise me that a developer doesn't know cfqueryparam. IT no longer seems to be a field where people are ecstatic about it and want to live and breath IT 24/7. Some people just want to do there job and go home. There are always exceptions, of course, but they seem to be exceptions rather than the norm. I bet the number of people using frameworks in CF is very low (compared to the number of CF Developers). The number of people using an OO framework like Model-Glue or Mach-II is even smaller. I would expect an intermediate programmer to understand basic OO concepts, even if they are not framework aware. You're more than welcome to say but a developer should take it upon himself to go out and learn. I agree (probably most people will) but not everyone does it. At 08:11 PM 1/11/2006, you wrote: CF jobs have increased in Ohio. I think if I would have held out at my old position for another year I could have had my choice of about 4 different companies. That being said I am pretty happy with my choice to go where I am. However we too need a developer and can't find crap. THe most experienced person we had apply didn't even know what cfqueryparam did. A cf developer that knows OOP yeah right. Model-Glue, Mach-II? Those are simply a products we sell. Adam On 1/5/06, Robert Reno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems like I have been getting double the usual calls for CF openings in Florida. Has anyone else noticed more calls where you are? I even had two direct calls from companies hiring in addition to the recruiters calling. Rob in Tampa ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2821 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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When working at the University of Massachusetts a coworker wanted to try FuseBox and we got into it a bit but I didn't see the value in it. Sure, it was interesting and had potential, but it slowed development down to a crawl, made the laying out of pages and templates much more complicated, and made the sites load slower. So, while I thought the concept of a methodology was great, the execution of this particular model left much to be desired, in our case anyway. But that doesn't mean that a methodology can't be learned, and quickly. Even if the applicant doesn't know what cfqueryparam does, if they can guess, or can exhibit confidence that most languages are really very similar (it's like learning Italian if you already know French) then they probably could pick up a methodology pretty quickly. As long as they already know the language. Learning both the language and the methodology for it is like learning how to drive for the first time in a car with a manual transmission... on the hiway. Too many things coming at you. Speaking of jobs, anyone looking for a part-time telecommuting developer from Western Massachuetts? I know what cfqueryparam does :) though I don't currently use any programming methodologies (not that I'm not capable of picking one up on the fly pretty quickly). Michael At 10:59 PM 1/11/2006, Jeffry Houser wrote: I've found that a lot of people get deep into one area of CF without getting a lot of Breadth of the language. I doubt think that is unique to CF, though. It doesn't surprise me that a developer doesn't know cfqueryparam. IT no longer seems to be a field where people are ecstatic about it and want to live and breath IT 24/7. Some people just want to do there job and go home. There are always exceptions, of course, but they seem to be exceptions rather than the norm. I bet the number of people using frameworks in CF is very low (compared to the number of CF Developers). The number of people using an OO framework like Model-Glue or Mach-II is even smaller. I would expect an intermediate programmer to understand basic OO concepts, even if they are not framework aware. You're more than welcome to say but a developer should take it upon himself to go out and learn. I agree (probably most people will) but not everyone does it. Michael Muller Admin, MontagueMA.net Website Montague, MA 01351 cell (413) 320-5336 fax (518) 713-1569 skype: michaelBmuller email [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.MontagueMA.net Eschew Obfuscation ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2823 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I have been rather busy starting sometime around the begining of December. I have been turning down a few new jobs since most of my existing network of contacts has been keeping me busy. I know in my area of at least 1 full time CFM job but not sure if any others. On 1/5/06, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm really busy, but can't say whether this is indicative of the market in general, though. There are three Dice.com jobs (in my area), which is up from the usual 'none'. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2803 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Robert Reno wrote: It seems like I have been getting double the usual calls for CF openings in Florida. Has anyone else noticed more calls where you are? I even had two direct calls from companies hiring in addition to the recruiters calling. Rob in Tampa Absolutely. We've got more development work then we can handle at the moment. 2006 seems to be off to a great start! -- Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2804 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Same scenario here in Charlotte, NC - we are currently looking to fill 6-8 CF Developer roles immediately and plan on adding more in the 3rd quarter. Thanks, Joshua Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jordan Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:56 PM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: 2006 Turn Around? Robert Reno wrote: It seems like I have been getting double the usual calls for CF openings in Florida. Has anyone else noticed more calls where you are? I even had two direct calls from companies hiring in addition to the recruiters calling. Rob in Tampa Absolutely. We've got more development work then we can handle at the moment. 2006 seems to be off to a great start! -- Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2805 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Seems to me like more than we've had in general since 2000 tho... I tend to agree that the (cf) job market seems to be noticeably a lot healthier this (and last) year than it had in several years. My guess would be that it can be attributed both to a healthier economy in general as well as to good marketing from MM and really popular / relevant (not necessarily overlapping) new features in recent releases of CF. Typical January hiring manangers activity. -Original Message- From: Robert Reno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jan 5, 2006 7:52 AM To: CF-Jobs-Talk cf-jobs-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: 2006 Turn Around? It seems like I have been getting double the usual calls for CF openings in Florida. Has anyone else noticed more calls where you are? I even had two direct calls from companies hiring in addition to the recruiters calling. Rob in Tampa s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2807 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I haven't noticed more postings, other than my own, but I do know from experience that there aren't many (if any) qualified developers avaliable for hire in the Atlanta area. Who knows, I might have posted in all the wrong areas. Jeff Robert Reno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems like I have been getting double the usual calls for CF openings in Florida. Has anyone else noticed more calls where you are? I even had two direct calls from companies hiring in addition to the recruiters calling. Rob in Tampa ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2809 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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It seems like the folks at Site Manageware (my last job in Florida) hired most of the CF programmers (those looking for work anyway) in South Florida, and had been having a diffcult time finding more people. They had imported me from Texas at the time in mid-2004, but they hired me with a senior/advanced/rd expectation, rather than most of their intermediate jobs. Rob, I've definitely seen an increase over the past year or so. I don't think it's just started in 2006. I have several job agents setup in Monster and other sites to notify me of jobs in certain areas, and they have been steadily increasing for some time now. In fact, I know anecdotally that it's been hard to even find and hire CF developers in certain areas of the US. I think the market is very healthy right now and has been for a year or so. s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2810 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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On 1/5/06, Jeff Gombala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't noticed more postings, other than my own, but I do know from experience that there aren't many (if any) qualified developers avaliable for hire in the Atlanta area. Who knows, I might have posted in all the wrong areas. Atlanta's a tight market. Alot of good people there, but also a ton of CF work to be done. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress Sumo Consulting Inc http://www.sumoc.com --- cell: 678.637.5072 aim: cameroncf email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2811 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
