Re: Non Disclosure Agreements
I've never actually worked for a programming shop that didn't require one. To me at least its actually an assumed job requirement. Of course lately it seems that NDA's now have traditional Employment Agreements combined together, (those are the ones that tend to sound like your selling your soul and signing in blood). Fred On March 28, 2005 04:41 pm, Cameron Childress wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:09:18 -0500, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a recent post on cf-jobs: Anyone who refuses to work under a Non-Disclosure Agreement need not apply. Taken totally out of context, I'd usually translate soemthing like this as Our company is run by a buncha stodgy CPAs and Lawyers. If you like so much red tape that it's impossible to get anything done, come work for us. Of course, with context it could mean something entirely different to me. There are several very valid reasons for this to be a requirement for a job. -Cameron ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2333 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Non Disclosure Agreements
I suppose its what's in the NDA that matters... where have worked before they wanted us to sign contracts which included NDA and IP agreements... I wouldnt sign them, not because of the contract or NDA (as these seemed fairly straightforward) it was the IP one that I wouldnt touch... they were to own all rights to anything i'd done, did and would do, be it job related or not... but as the contract stated that signing it meant you'd signed the other two documents I couldn't On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 03:27:37 -0500, Fred T. Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never actually worked for a programming shop that didn't require one. To me at least its actually an assumed job requirement. Of course lately it seems that NDA's now have traditional Employment Agreements combined together, (those are the ones that tend to sound like your selling your soul and signing in blood). Fred On March 28, 2005 04:41 pm, Cameron Childress wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:09:18 -0500, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a recent post on cf-jobs: Anyone who refuses to work under a Non-Disclosure Agreement need not apply. Taken totally out of context, I'd usually translate soemthing like this as Our company is run by a buncha stodgy CPAs and Lawyers. If you like so much red tape that it's impossible to get anything done, come work for us. Of course, with context it could mean something entirely different to me. There are several very valid reasons for this to be a requirement for a job. -Cameron ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2334 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Non Disclosure Agreements
In addition to combining together traditional Agreements, also look out for the non-compete clause with long duration, like one or more years. Then, after getting paid for say a couple of week's worth of work, the contract terminates for whatever reason, and you can't enter into a real business agreement with the client without their written consent. -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:53 AM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: Non Disclosure Agreements IP means Intellectual property, right? As far as I'm concerned, my mind and ideas are the most important asset to my consulting practice. Signing that over is something I wouldn't do. I think I have agreed to IP terms that restrict it to the development in question. If they are hiring me to build widgets, and want all my ideas that relate specifically to those widgets, I'm usually fine with that (depending on the wording). At 08:40 AM 3/29/2005, you wrote: I suppose its what's in the NDA that matters... where have worked before they wanted us to sign contracts which included NDA and IP agreements... I wouldnt sign them, not because of the contract or NDA (as these seemed fairly straightforward) it was the IP one that I wouldnt touch... they were to own all rights to anything i'd done, did and would do, be it job related or not... but as the contract stated that signing it meant you'd signed the other two documents I couldn't On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 03:27:37 -0500, Fred T. Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never actually worked for a programming shop that didn't require one. To me at least its actually an assumed job requirement. Of course lately it seems that NDA's now have traditional Employment Agreements combined together, (those are the ones that tend to sound like your selling your soul and signing in blood). Fred On March 28, 2005 04:41 pm, Cameron Childress wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:09:18 -0500, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a recent post on cf-jobs: Anyone who refuses to work under a Non-Disclosure Agreement need not apply. Taken totally out of context, I'd usually translate soemthing like this as Our company is run by a buncha stodgy CPAs and Lawyers. If you like so much red tape that it's impossible to get anything done, come work for us. Of course, with context it could mean something entirely different to me. There are several very valid reasons for this to be a requirement for a job. -Cameron ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2336 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Non Disclosure Agreements
I'll usually accept such a clause, as long as it is specific to the clients immediate customer list. The last one of these I signed had a clause like that which extended a year+ into the past. I was able to negotiate that out. At 10:02 AM 3/29/2005, you wrote: In addition to combining together traditional Agreements, also look out for the non-compete clause with long duration, like one or more years. Then, after getting paid for say a couple of week's worth of work, the contract terminates for whatever reason, and you can't enter into a real business agreement with the client without their written consent. -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:53 AM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: Non Disclosure Agreements IP means Intellectual property, right? As far as I'm concerned, my mind and ideas are the most important asset to my consulting practice. Signing that over is something I wouldn't do. I think I have agreed to IP terms that restrict it to the development in question. If they are hiring me to build widgets, and want all my ideas that relate specifically to those widgets, I'm usually fine with that (depending on the wording). At 08:40 AM 3/29/2005, you wrote: I suppose its what's in the NDA that matters... where have worked before they wanted us to sign contracts which included NDA and IP agreements... I wouldnt sign them, not because of the contract or NDA (as these seemed fairly straightforward) it was the IP one that I wouldnt touch... they were to own all rights to anything i'd done, did and would do, be it job related or not... but as the contract stated that signing it meant you'd signed the other two documents I couldn't On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 03:27:37 -0500, Fred T. Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never actually worked for a programming shop that didn't require one. To me at least its actually an assumed job requirement. Of course lately it seems that NDA's now have traditional Employment Agreements combined together, (those are the ones that tend to sound like your selling your soul and signing in blood). Fred On March 28, 2005 04:41 pm, Cameron Childress wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:09:18 -0500, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a recent post on cf-jobs: Anyone who refuses to work under a Non-Disclosure Agreement need not apply. Taken totally out of context, I'd usually translate soemthing like this as Our company is run by a buncha stodgy CPAs and Lawyers. If you like so much red tape that it's impossible to get anything done, come work for us. Of course, with context it could mean something entirely different to me. There are several very valid reasons for this to be a requirement for a job. -Cameron ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2337 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Non Disclosure Agreements
The difficultly will be whether most people have the money to fight any legal problems. Another idea is to write over the document with your required exceptions, or ask for written permission from your manager to work on your other things. Many companies simply want to stop you divulging information to their competitors. Personally, I work during the day for a company that supplies a health suppliment and at night for a HR company, so there's no problem. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2331 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Non Disclosure Agreements
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:09:18 -0500, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a recent post on cf-jobs: Anyone who refuses to work under a Non-Disclosure Agreement need not apply. Taken totally out of context, I'd usually translate soemthing like this as Our company is run by a buncha stodgy CPAs and Lawyers. If you like so much red tape that it's impossible to get anything done, come work for us. Of course, with context it could mean something entirely different to me. There are several very valid reasons for this to be a requirement for a job. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress Sumo Consulting Inc http://www.sumoc.com --- cell: 678.637.5072 aim: cameroncf email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2332 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
