[KCFusion] include vs custom tag

2003-03-06 Thread Dunwiddie, Bruce
Title: include vs custom tag





We're still using cf 4.5 sp2. We're currently having a disagreement about whether to define our new framework for a site based on custom tags for each page basically, or the same thing using includes instead. I personally think the custom tags are a complete necessity, because of variable scoping, but I need to know the true benchmarking difference that people have seen when using one vs the other, or just in a per call difference in milliseconds per call, if anyone happens to know it or can point me to somewhere with the stats.




RE: [KCFusion] include vs custom tag

2003-03-06 Thread Dunwiddie, Bruce
Title: include vs custom tag



I'm 
seeing it on one of our test servers as .5 ms avg to run an include, and 1 ms to 
run a custom tag. Can anyone else verify that the custom tag would take about 
twice the time?

  -Original Message-From: Dunwiddie, Bruce 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 
  10:29 AMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: [KCFusion] 
  include vs custom tag
  We're still using cf 4.5 sp2. We're currently having a 
  disagreement about whether to define our new framework for a site based on 
  custom tags for each page basically, or the same thing using includes instead. 
  I personally think the custom tags are a complete necessity, because of 
  variable scoping, but I need to know the true benchmarking difference that 
  people have seen when using one vs the other, or just in a per call difference 
  in milliseconds per call, if anyone happens to know it or can point me to 
  somewhere with the stats.


Re: [KCFusion] include vs custom tag

2003-03-06 Thread Adaryl Wakefield
Title: include vs custom tag



Curious. If you have time, can you explain what you 
mean exactly when you say you are going to use custom tags for the framework? 

A.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dunwiddie, Bruce 
  To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' 
  Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:29 
  AM
  Subject: [KCFusion] include vs custom 
  tag
  
  We're still using cf 4.5 sp2. We're currently having a 
  disagreement about whether to define our new framework for a site based on 
  custom tags for each page basically, or the same thing using includes instead. 
  I personally think the custom tags are a complete necessity, because of 
  variable scoping, but I need to know the true benchmarking difference that 
  people have seen when using one vs the other, or just in a per call difference 
  in milliseconds per call, if anyone happens to know it or can point me to 
  somewhere with the stats.


RE: [KCFusion] include vs custom tag

2003-03-06 Thread Dunwiddie, Bruce
Title: include vs custom tag



I'll 
leave the answer currently to simply changing the basic idea of fusebox with all 
the action based includes, to using action based custom tag calls 
instead.

  -Original Message-From: Adaryl Wakefield 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:02 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [KCFusion] 
  include vs custom tag
  Curious. If you have time, can you explain what 
  you mean exactly when you say you are going to use custom tags for the 
  framework? 
  A.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Dunwiddie, Bruce 
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' 
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:29 
AM
Subject: [KCFusion] include vs custom 
tag

We're still using cf 4.5 sp2. We're currently having a 
disagreement about whether to define our new framework for a site based on 
custom tags for each page basically, or the same thing using includes 
instead. I personally think the custom tags are a complete necessity, 
because of variable scoping, but I need to know the true benchmarking 
difference that people have seen when using one vs the other, or just in a 
per call difference in milliseconds per call, if anyone happens to know it 
or can point me to somewhere with the 
stats.


RE: [KCFusion] include vs custom tag

2003-03-06 Thread Matt Jones
Title: include vs custom tag



what 
version of fusebox are you changing? 

  -Original Message-From: Dunwiddie, Bruce 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 
  11:11 AMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: 
  [KCFusion] include vs custom tag
  I'll 
  leave the answer currently to simply changing the basic idea of fusebox with 
  all the action based includes, to using action based custom tag calls 
  instead.
  
-Original Message-From: Adaryl Wakefield 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:02 
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [KCFusion] 
include vs custom tag
Curious. If you have time, can you explain what 
you mean exactly when you say you are going to use custom tags for the 
framework? 
A.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dunwiddie, Bruce 
  To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' 
  Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:29 
  AM
  Subject: [KCFusion] include vs custom 
  tag
  
  We're still using cf 4.5 sp2. We're currently having a 
  disagreement about whether to define our new framework for a site based on 
  custom tags for each page basically, or the same thing using includes 
  instead. I personally think the custom tags are a complete necessity, 
  because of variable scoping, but I need to know the true benchmarking 
  difference that people have seen when using one vs the other, or just in a 
  per call difference in milliseconds per call, if anyone happens to know it 
  or can point me to somewhere with the 
  stats.


RE: [KCFusion] include vs custom tag

2003-03-06 Thread Dunwiddie, Bruce
Title: include vs custom tag



I'm 
not changing fusebox. We're creating our own framework. We're changing the 
overall idea behind fusebox.

  -Original Message-From: Matt Jones 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 
  11:08 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [KCFusion] 
  include vs custom tag
  what 
  version of fusebox are you changing? 
  
-Original Message-From: Dunwiddie, Bruce 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 
11:11 AMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: 
[KCFusion] include vs custom tag
I'll leave the answer currently to simply changing 
the basic idea of fusebox with all the action based includes, to using 
action based custom tag calls instead.

  -Original Message-From: Adaryl Wakefield 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:02 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [KCFusion] 
  include vs custom tag
  Curious. If you have time, can you explain 
  what you mean exactly when you say you are going to use custom tags for 
  the framework? 
  A.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Dunwiddie, Bruce 
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' 
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 
10:29 AM
Subject: [KCFusion] include vs 
custom tag

We're still using cf 4.5 sp2. We're currently having a 
disagreement about whether to define our new framework for a site based 
on custom tags for each page basically, or the same thing using includes 
instead. I personally think the custom tags are a complete necessity, 
because of variable scoping, but I need to know the true benchmarking 
difference that people have seen when using one vs the other, or just in 
a per call difference in milliseconds per call, if anyone happens to 
know it or can point me to somewhere with the 
  stats.


RE: [KCFusion] include vs custom tag

2003-03-06 Thread Dunwiddie, Bruce
Title: include vs custom tag



well, 
we would probably use cfmodule instead of the custom tags if custom tags win 
this discussion, so I'm not really worried about that part. your viewpoints on 
using cfmodule instead of cfinclude however are interesting.

  -Original Message-From: Glenn Crocker 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:23 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [KCFusion] 
  include vs custom tag
  I've 
  built some substantially huge CF sites, and using cfmodule instead of 
  cfinclude wherever you can is critical. Execution time is 
  probably not the key issue, really, it's development time. If you can 
  build the site more reliably, faster, and cheaper, a half millisecond per page 
  is irrelevant. I've spent a huge amount of time converting an old 
  side-effect-riddled cfinclude-style site to cfmodule, and it's paying 
  dividends every time we do it.
  
  I 
  wouldn't advise going crazy with full-on custom tag madness. In 
  particular, hosting sites that rely on first-class custom tags (as opposed to 
  cfmodule) can be difficult.
  
  For 
  small enough sites, this kind of thing might not be a consideration, but if 
  you're looking at over a hundred .cfm files, cfmodule will save your 
  sanity.
  
  -glenn
  
  
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dunwiddie, 
BruceSent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:29 AMTo: 
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: [KCFusion] include vs custom 
tag
We're still using cf 4.5 sp2. We're currently having a 
disagreement about whether to define our new framework for a site based on 
custom tags for each page basically, or the same thing using includes 
instead. I personally think the custom tags are a complete necessity, 
because of variable scoping, but I need to know the true benchmarking 
difference that people have seen when using one vs the other, or just in a 
per call difference in milliseconds per call, if anyone happens to know it 
or can point me to somewhere with the 
stats.