Re: [CF-metadata] standard name for sea water ph without

2011-12-09 Thread Lowry, Roy K.
Hi Upendra, It comes down to the significance of the difference between parameters according to tha application for which they are used. There ae two temperature scales - IPTS68 and ITS90. However, pragamatically for the period of time when IPTS68 was used the measurement uncertaintyfor sea t

Re: [CF-metadata] standard name for sea water ph without

2011-12-09 Thread Upendra Dadi
Hi Jonathan & John, Thank you for the replies. I understand now. I see that there are complex semantic issues involved here. But the semantic issues should not become operational bottlenecks. I work at a data center where I do come across datasets where ambiguities about what the data repres

Re: [CF-metadata] Proposal for better handling vector quantities in CF

2011-12-09 Thread John Caron
On 12/9/2011 11:37 AM, Jonathan Gregory wrote: Dear John I prefer the idea that Thomas has put forward of an umbrella, rather than containing the vector/tensor components in one data variable, because * I really don't like the idea of units being mixed within a data variable. I think things wit

Re: [CF-metadata] Proposal for better handling vector quantities in CF

2011-12-09 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear John I prefer the idea that Thomas has put forward of an umbrella, rather than containing the vector/tensor components in one data variable, because * I really don't like the idea of units being mixed within a data variable. I think things with different units must certainly be different qua

Re: [CF-metadata] standard name for sea water ph without

2011-12-09 Thread John Graybeal
Well, this gets into subtleties of meaning and 'stuff', but here's my take: If I have two values labeled sea_water_temperature, I can assume they are the same fundamental quality, and even if provided on different scales, those values can be converted to the same scale, using the information in

Re: [CF-metadata] standard name for sea water ph without

2011-12-09 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Upendra > Coming to the problem of coming up with a standard name for pH > accurately, I can see the issue here. Though I am still not sure why > not all five standard names were included. If there is an analogy > between sea water pH and sea water temperature, as mentioned in one > of the em

Re: [CF-metadata] new TEOS-10 standard names

2011-12-09 Thread Nan Galbraith
Sea_surface_salinity is missing from your list; I don't have time to edit the doc, sorry. This should really have been a trac ticket - that would have eliminated the need for the word document. Cheers - Nan On 12/7/11 7:34 PM, Durack, Paul J. wrote: Thanks for all this work Alison.. For cla

Re: [CF-metadata] udunits corresponding to Forel-Ule, milliequivalent

2011-12-09 Thread john caron
hi: I think I would also advocate adding another standard attribute, something like "units_label" which would be a label for the units in a plot, not necessarily udunit compliant. eg: var : units = ""; var : units_label = "milligrams per gram of dry sediment"; john On 12/9/2011 2:09 AM,

Re: [CF-metadata] udunits corresponding to Forel-Ule, milliequivalent

2011-12-09 Thread Upendra Dadi
Thanks all for your replies. That was very helpful. Upendra On 12/9/2011 4:09 AM, Lowry, Roy K. wrote: Hi Upendra, The Forel-Ule is another example where parameter semantics have been off-loaded in the units of measure, such as 'milligrams per gram of dry sediment'. I have been working to e

Re: [CF-metadata] standard name for sea water ph without

2011-12-09 Thread Upendra Dadi
Thank you Jonathan and John for your emails. I went through your earlier emails. One of the things that occurred to me is that these discussions that you had are as much a part of the standard as the names themselves. I think it would be great if there is better "connection" between your ema

Re: [CF-metadata] udunits corresponding to Forel-Ule, milliequivalent

2011-12-09 Thread Lowry, Roy K.
Hi Upendra, The Forel-Ule is another example where parameter semantics have been off-loaded in the units of measure, such as 'milligrams per gram of dry sediment'. I have been working to eliminate this by moving the semantics into the parameter description to leave a UDUNITS-compatible UoM. I