Dear Paul et al,
Thank you to everyone who has taken the time to provide comments on the TEOS-10
names and particularly the definitions. I think the most useful standard name
definitions are always the ones where we have had a lot of input from the
experts.
We have been approaching agreement
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Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] new TEOS-10 standard names
Dear All,
Thank you to everyone who has submitted comments about these names.
Rather than send lots of separate replies I am using this message to
respond to everyone in turn.
1. sea_water_temperature
John Graybeal
change_over_time_in_sea_water_conservative_temperature
change_over_time_in_sea_water_potential_enthalpy
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From: paul.dur...@csiro.au paul.dur...@csiro.au
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:12:14 -0800
To: Durack, Paul J. dura...@llnl.gov
Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] new TEOS-10 standard names
Dear Alison
This is great. Thanks for going through it so thoroughly.
(b) sea_water_temperature
There is agreement to retain the standard name sea_water_temperature as this
is useful particularly for observations. It currently has no explanatory
text. In response to the discussion I
-10 standard names
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Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011 1:05 AM
To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
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Hi
Please do not use the word bulk when referring to sst. The correct term is
SSTdepth. This was extensively discussed previously
Regards
Craig
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Sent: 26 November 2011 03:59
To: Alison Pamment
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Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] new TEOS-10 standard names
Alison,
You do impressive work.
On Nov 25, 2011, at 12:03, alison.pamm...@stfc.ac.uk
alison.pamm...@stfc.ac.uk wrote:
(b
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Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] new TEOS-10 standard names
Since the use of any salinity was discouraged in favour of chlorinity in
1940,
all archived pre-78 salinities should be Knudsen salinities, originally
calculated
from chlorinity by the Knudsen formula derived from the evaporation
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Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 11:17 PM
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Hello Roy,
You make a good point
; King, Brian A.
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Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 9:28 AM
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Hello Reiner/Trevor,
I have no problem with introducing the term Knudsen salinity for salinities
pre-dating PSS-78
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Dear all,
At the risk of repeating ourselves, because there are now (at least) three
different
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Subject: RE: [CF-metadata] new TEOS-10 standard names
Hello Trevor,
I totally agree that we should stop using 'salinity' from now on. I also agree
that virtually
Dear Paul
Alison (the manager of standard names) hasn't ruled yet on their inclusion,
but I believe that the discussion concluded with no objections to adding
the practical salinity names. It seems safe to assume they will be put in the
table in due course.
Best wishes
Jonathan
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Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] new TEOS-10 standard names
Dear Paul
Alison (the manager of standard names) hasn't ruled yet on their inclusion,
but I believe that the discussion concluded with no objections to adding
the practical salinity names. It seems safe
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To follow on from Trevor's comments, most CMIP3-grade ocean models
Dear Trevor
Thanks for your explanation.
I find preformed nitrate an equally opaque term! However, if preformed is
the universally used term and there isn't any more self-explanatory
alternative available, I'd agree it's the best choice for the standard name.
Best wishes
Jonathan
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b...@noc.soton.ac.uk; stephen.griff...@noaa.gov
Subject: RE: [CF-metadata] new TEOS-10 standard names
A couple of quick comments following on from Jonathan's post.
(1) I know of at least 6 pre-TEOS-10 expressions for density used
Dear all
I agree with Roy in his remark that the existing salinity Standard Name is a
much broader term than the TEOS-10 recommendations.
In some datasets, it may not be well-defined precisely which kind of salinity
we have. This is particularly the case for model datasets, since most ocean
A.; stephen.griff...@noaa.gov
Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] new TEOS-10 standard names:- reply to two emails.
Two replies follow, first to Karl Taylor, then to Roy Lowrie.
Hello Karl,
(1) potential temperature is what it always was, namely the temperature
of a seawater parcel after an adiabatic
Dear all
I understand the need to be clear, with new standard names, which observational
quantity is being collected in future. I do not agree, however, that we should
make the plain salinity name an alias for something more precise. This is
partly because that might change the meaning of
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Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] new TEOS-10 standard names
Hi Paul -
I'm not sure if anyone else is ready to retire salinity as a
standard name meaning 'salinity on the practical salinity
scale'.
Also I still think your proposed definitions are a little too
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Brian A.
Subject: [CF-metadata] new TEOS-10 standard names
Dear Nan et al.,
I want to weigh in to this discussion, as chair of SCOR/IAPSO Working Group
127.
In June 2009 the Intergovernmental Oceanographic Commission, which is
comprised of 146 nations, adopted TEOS-10
I agree that we probably need these names now. I'd like to
suggest, though, that the definition of absolute salinity should
start with the phrase 'mass fraction of salt in seawater', or
maybe 'concentration of salt in seawater'.
And while we're at it, we should probably consider revising the
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