RE: CF running out of steam

2013-03-17 Thread Jenny Gavin-Wear
So CF is a great for getting into development for newbies, but expect to pay an enterprise level price. And if you are an enterprise, then you'll probably using something else anyway because you won't really need a newbie product. I recognise I'm not at the level on CF that many of you are

RE: CF running out of steam

2013-03-17 Thread Jenny Gavin-Wear
Hi Ray, I can see that to a developer that Adobe page looks incredibly sexy. The problem being that it is not always (usually not?) the developers who hold the purse strings. Many times in this list over the last few years I have seen threads from developers asking for help in selling CF to

RE: CF running out of steam

2013-03-17 Thread Rick Faircloth
+1 -Original Message- From: Jenny Gavin-Wear [mailto:jenn...@fasttrackonline.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:06 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: CF running out of steam So CF is a great for getting into development for newbies, but expect to pay an enterprise level price. And if you

RE: CF running out of steam

2013-03-17 Thread Rick Faircloth
+1 Adobe Marketing is the failure... I see almost nothing on that front. I receive email newsletters constantly from Microsoft Evangelists who tout the conferences, tutorials, and benefits of Microsoft's offering. I rarely (never these days) receive ANYTHING from Adobe that discusses any of the

Re: CF running out of steam

2013-03-17 Thread Roger Austin
As fun as a discussion like this is, I would caution people to avoid basing your career off of one product or system. No matter who you work for, you are a small business with one employee. Make decisions about your capabilities with that in mind. Be objective about decisions that are out of your

Curmudgeon painted in a corner

2013-03-17 Thread Dave Long
I've been using Homesite 5 on my Compaq laptop since a year or two before Y2K was scary. Now the old hoss is reluctant to boot (takes about 30 minutes or more) so I'm kind of forced to get a new machine. Problem: new ones all come with Windows 8 so it looks like I'll be buying (unless I can find

Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner

2013-03-17 Thread Matt Quackenbush
Intellij IDEA. http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/ On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Dave Long d...@northgoods.com wrote: I've been using Homesite 5 on my Compaq laptop since a year or two before Y2K was scary. Now the old hoss is reluctant to boot (takes about 30 minutes or more) so I'm kind

Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner

2013-03-17 Thread Cameron Childress
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Dave Long d...@northgoods.com wrote: I've been using Homesite 5 on my Compaq laptop since [...] what do you folks recommend for CF development environment? Coming from Homesite, you are likely to enjoy Sublime Text 2. Instal Package Control and then install

Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner

2013-03-17 Thread Gerald Guido
Here is a recent thread on the Railo group concerning IDEs https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/railo/J0EdVySoPNw HTH G! On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.comwrote: Intellij IDEA. http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/ On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 5:05

Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner

2013-03-17 Thread Russ Michaels
Dreamweaver CFBuilder CFEclipse NotePad++ (there is a CFML plugin) Sublime Text 2 On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Dave Long d...@northgoods.com wrote: I've been using Homesite 5 on my Compaq laptop since a year or two before Y2K was scary. Now the old hoss is reluctant to boot (takes

Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner

2013-03-17 Thread Claude Schnéegans
Problem: new ones all come with Windows 8 so it looks like I'll be buying (unless I can find freebies) some new development tools. I'm usint CF Studio (identical to Homesite) and it runs perfectly under Windows 7 64bits. Just make sure it runs in compatibility Windows XP mode.

Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner

2013-03-17 Thread Raymond Camden
CF Builder 2 or Sublime Text 2 (with the CF plugin) On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 5:56 PM, wrote: Problem: new ones all come with Windows 8 so it looks like I'll be buying (unless I can find freebies) some new development tools. I'm usint CF Studio (identical to Homesite) and it runs

Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner

2013-03-17 Thread Justin Scott
... Problem: new ones all come with Windows 8 so it looks like I'll be buying (unless I can find freebies) some new development tools. If you poke around on eBay you can find new surplus and business systems that come with Windows 7 Pro. I bought a brand new Dell Vostro 270s for my parents,

Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner

2013-03-17 Thread Cameron Childress
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Dave Long d...@northgoods.com wrote: Problem: new ones all come with Windows 8 I have to say I am disappointed that no-one has yet said, with a sh*t eating grin on their face: New Macs do not come with Win 8 -Cameron ...

RE: CF running out of steam

2013-03-17 Thread Jenny Gavin-Wear
+1 ;) -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: 17 March 2013 14:48 To: cf-talk Subject: RE: CF running out of steam +1 Adobe Marketing is the failure... I see almost nothing on that front. I receive email newsletters constantly from Microsoft

RE: CF running out of steam

2013-03-17 Thread Jenny Gavin-Wear
Hi Roger, I take all of your points on board, but it is still frustrating to be trying to sell a product that the manufacturer does not seem particularly interested in selling itself - let alone the business model for the product being wrong in the first place. Jenny -Original Message-

RE: Curmudgeon painted in a corner

2013-03-17 Thread Dave Long
Thanks everyone, I checked out Sublime Text 2 and even watched a couple sessions of the tutorials offered. I'm sold. One neat thing... They say you can install it on more than one computer with only one license. Now that's pretty civilized of them. Cameron, thanks anyway. I want to own the

Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner

2013-03-17 Thread Gerald Guido
Cameron, thanks anyway. I want to own the machine, not have the machine own me. Well played sir. Bravo! G! On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:41 PM, Dave Long d...@northgoods.com wrote: Cameron, thanks anyway. I want to own the machine, not have the machine own me. -- Gerald Guido

Re: CF running out of steam

2013-03-17 Thread Paul Hastings
On 3/18/2013 10:05 AM, Jenny Gavin-Wear wrote: I take all of your points on board, but it is still frustrating to be trying to sell a product that the manufacturer does not seem particularly interested in selling itself - let alone the business model for the product being wrong in the first