You could stick phpmailer up there and try using that when the issue occurs
to see if it is limited to cf, perhsps you will get some better debugging
data.
Russ Michaels
www.michaels.me.uk
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On 29 Aug 2013 15:37, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe also try another Gmail account from CF when the issue crops up. This
with Russ 's suggestion would narrow it further to a CF, server or Gmail
account issue.
Also, do your from addresses in the emails match your Gmail account? I can
see them potentially blocking if not, thinking the account
Might have to give that a try Byron, but I will need to talk to hostek
first as they will no longer re-spool any mail if it stops again. Which
means that unless it is respooled no mail will be allowed through.
And yes the from email matches the account.
Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite:
perhaps you should suggest they use my automatic respooler then they will
never have to manually respool anyone's mail
http://www.michaels.me.uk/post.cfm/cfmail-automatic-respooler
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote:
Might have to give that a try
Except as I said in this case the server also needs restarting.
Regards,
Andrew Scott
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On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 3:50 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:
perhaps you should suggest they use my
then I think there is no hope for you, you have pretty much dismissed every
suggestion given.
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote:
Except as I said in this case the server also needs restarting.
Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite:
Imap for Gmail has a 15 connection limit for an account. I'm wondering (as
others) of this is simply something similar for smtp.
It is quite feasible Gmail is throttling connections from a single ip or
subnet where the hostek server resides. Maybe some previous abuse by the
ip.
Now that you
Byron, to be honest this is something that I am not familiar with and have
left that stuff up to Hostek. I have passed this thread on to Hostek to
maybe provide more details and maybe get some other perspective on this
problem.
But from what Hostek have told me, even if the maintain connections
Ah yes I forgot there is no longer a free version. But it is worth paying
for if youbojly have 1 or 2 users then it is cheap.
otherwise your best best is to use some other domain temporarilyfor 30 days
which you can use to reproduce the problem.
Russ Michaels
www.michaels.me.uk
Yes because as I also suggested yesterday if this is a connection limit
issue then maintaining the connection would he the cause.
The cname makes no difference to that because you are still connecting to
the same server, the cname is just an alias.
Russ Michaels
www.michaels.me.uk
Russ, do you know if the connection limit has changed in the last 6 weeks?
If it hasn't then I am inclined to think this is not the issue.
Regards,
Andrew Scott
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On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Russ
I have no idea, I am simply offering up possible causes for you
investigate.
Russ Michaels
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On 29 Aug 2013 11:05, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote:
Russ, do you know if the connection limit has changed in the last 6 weeks?
Thanks Russ, just trying to see if there has been any changes in the last 6
weeks. Reason being is that this is when this problem started, and has
worked flawlessly for 8 months prior to that.
Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
Google+:
Is it possible you just didn't notice till now. If oyhrr people were
requesting cf restarts such an issue could go a long time without anyone
noticing.
Russ Michaels
www.michaels.me.uk
cfmldeveloper.com
cflive.net
cfsearch.com
On 29 Aug 2013 12:03, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote:
Yeah I thought about that, but the mail would still have to be re-spooled
and I am told that no other customer is having this issue. But I agree, it
is certainly possible it was happening and nobody had noticed.
Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
Google+:
perhaps they have automatic respooling enabled, I know a lot of cf hosts do
use my automatic respooler plugin for cfadmin.
In which case, again you would not notice the issue if you do not have to
contact them and ask them to do it manually.
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Andrew Scott
True, but the first time I noticed the issue, was 10 days of no mails.
Regards,
Andrew Scott
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On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:
perhaps they have automatic
Documentation for Google Apps: http://support.google.com/a/?hl=en
Calendar of Changes: http://whatsnew.googleapps.com/
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 4:03 AM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote:
Thanks Russ, just trying to see if there has been any changes in the last 6
weeks. Reason being
and you have confirmed that is definitely not due to the reasons we have
already discussed ?
I can't how you could have confirmed that without speaking to google
support.
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote:
True, but the first time I noticed the issue,
I can't confirm anything.
But what I can tell you is that if it is a connection issue, then I would
not be able to send using the same credentials from another server.
Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
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On Fri,
sorry but that is completely wrong.
another server would have another completely different IP address, so would
not be affected by any existing blocks or limits.
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:32 AM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote:
I can't confirm anything.
But what I can tell you is
Problem is that everything I know is in this thread, Hostek haven't been
saying much about the issue.
Regards,
Andrew Scott
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Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:
Well Hostek have come back today and stated that they will not support the
use of Gmail Apps on their servers any more. As it continues to stop
sending mail, they have no clue as to why this started happening and have
given up on the problem.
Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite:
If it is only gmail that is having this issue then I would say that a very
likely cause is that you are exceeding the daily sending limit.
This is even more likely if emails are being sent through the wrong account
as other customers would using up your sending limit and vice versa.
Russ
Well there is no way I can be reaching the daily limit, at the most around
50 emails a day is sent out which is a far cry from the limits that Google
have in place. As I am now using a CNAME in the DNS for my mail server,
that hasn't helped at all, it continues to stop sending.
And if I am
I presume you have checked your sent items to be sure?
It may be that the cf problem has caused spam blocks to kick in and block
the hostek server.
Unfortunately if you are just using a free gmail account then you get no
support so cannot contact google to find out.
You could ask hostek if you
Is there a pattern to the email TO address when the problem comes up?
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote:
Well there is no way I can be reaching the daily limit, at the most around
50 emails a day is sent out which is a far cry from the limits that
When you say checked sent items? If you mean do I go into my sent mail and
see the mail sitting there?
Then the answer is yes, that is how I know the mail is not being sent.
You mean the CF mail logs?
Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
Google+:
I mean checked the sent items for how many mails are being sent.
Yes the cfmail logs.
Russ Michaels
www.michaels.me.uk
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cflive.net
cfsearch.com
On 29 Aug 2013 00:41, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote:
When you say checked sent items? If you mean do I go into my sent
Michael,
No there is no pattern, at least I can't see a pattern.
Regards,
Andrew Scott
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On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Michael Dinowitz
mdino...@houseoffusion.com wrote:
Is there a pattern to
Yes, Russ the amount of emails sent out is at most 50 a day, but averages
around 20 a day. I have seen as low as 6 being sent before the problem has
occurred again.
Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
On Thu, Aug
If there are a lot of customers using gmail then it coulf be too many
connections from same ip perhspd.
Again as with the spam blocking you hsve no way to verify with a free gmail
account.
You could signup one of your domains for google apps so you can get support.
Russ Michaels
This is Google Apps...
Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:
If there are a lot of customers using gmail then it coulf be too many
Ffs, then just contact google support and ask them.
Russ Michaels
www.michaels.me.uk
cfmldeveloper.com
cflive.net
cfsearch.com
On 29 Aug 2013 01:20, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote:
This is Google Apps...
Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
Google+:
Because even though I am using Google Apps, I am still considered to be
using the free version of Google Apps.
Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
And I don't believe this is a gmail issue either and seems to lead to a
problem with / at Hostek itself.
Here is what I do know.
Obviously if the mail is using the ColdFusion default details, aka the
relay Hostek have setup, the mail is sent. If I use the gmail server on
hostek it will
You can upgrade to google apps for business 30 day trial, during which
time you can get support.
Russ Michaels
www.michaels.me.uk
cfmldeveloper.com
cflive.net
cfsearch.com
On 29 Aug 2013 01:53, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote:
Because even though I am using Google Apps, I am still
When you say checked sent items? If you mean do I go into my sent mail and
see the mail sitting there?
Then the answer is yes, that is how I know the mail is not being sent.
This statement is a bit off to me.
Are you saying your Gmail sent items folder has the email in it, which was
sent
Ok lets be clear this is not the normal gmail, only the smtp.gmail.com is
being used to send the mail. But yes when you send mail using your google
app account, the sent mail is sitting in the sent folder.
This is how I found out about the spool connection issue to begin with, as
many other
You can upgrade to google apps for business 30 day trial, during which
time you can get support.
I would not recommend this to anyone who wants to continue using Apps
without paying after the trial is over. Google doesn't guarantee you
can downgrade from the Apps for Business trial back to
Thanks Dave, I actually suspected that, but wasn't sure.
Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:
You can upgrade to google apps for business 30
So the emails are going into the Sent folder on Google's mail servers
but not getting to their recipients? That's implying they're getting to
Google OK and it's a deliverability issue on their end not an issue with
getting the messages from your CF server to Google.
On 8/28/13 7:03 PM, Andrew
No, when the mail stops working there is nothing in the sent folder until
the server is restarted.
Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:22 PM, .jonah jonah@creori.com wrote:
So the
The only thing that I see in the logs is the following.
*Error,scheduler-0,08/25/13,17:05:17,,javax.mail.MessagingException:
Could not connect to SMTP host: smtp.domain.com, port: 465; nested
exception is: javax.net.ssl.SSLException: Server key*
*
*
*javax.mail.MessagingException: Could
that certainly is a possibility Dave, however if that was the problem then
one would expect it to happen consistently not intermittently.
I can't say I have tested with CF, but in general SMTP over SSL should work
as long as there is a valid certificate regardless of the domain, when
using an
I can't say I have tested with CF, but in general SMTP over SSL should work
as long as there is a valid certificate regardless of the domain, when
using an email client you can choose to ignore any errors relating tot he
domain name.
When you use a browser, you can ignore certificate errors
that still doesn't change the fact that it should be either accepted or
rejected, not accepted for a while and then rejected until CF is restarted,
I think Andrew needs to double check that the emails are actually sending
when using the CNAME record.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Dave Watts
Russ Dave, that is the thing I made the DNS change on the weekend and
waited for it to propagate around before making the change to use that DNS
entry. Problem is I think it stopped sending prior to that change and of
course it works flawlessly here locally to the same DNS entry.
I have had it
Do things work reliably in a non ssl port? Or does Gmail require ssl?
Byron Mann
Lead Engineer Architect
HostMySite.com
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Do things work reliably in a non ssl port? Or does Gmail require ssl?
Gmail requires TLS if you're going to authenticate. If I recall
correctly, you need to authenticate if you're going to send to
non-Gmail users. For example, I have a scanner that I've set up to
email people within our Apps
Ok since my last post on a similar subject, I added the smtp.domain.com as
an alias to smtp.gmail.com to stop the chances of me receiving other
peoples mail in my sent folder.
Not sure why but someone on Hostek keeps putting the maintain mail
connection back on, so it was was a good idea to add
That should be ColdFusion 10 and Java 1.6... Not sure how that got trimmed
or maybe I just thought it :-)
Regards,
Andrew Scott
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