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Subject: RE: Ben's J2EE Book
Ok, I'm told I can talk freely...
Folks, I've only looked at the first 6 units, but what I see so far I
love. It is a very NON ART Flash AS type class. All of the things I
learned were not things that required even the tiniest amount of
artistic ability. What I
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From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)
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Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 4:33 AM
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I totally disagree.. getting it 'connected' is the easy part. The actual
movement and animation (for which Flash is designed
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I guess it depends on what experience your bring to Flash as to what
is easy and what is hard. I've been doing digital video production for
years,
which involves creating timeline-based graphics animation, as well as some
3-D animation, so graphics creation
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I can relate to what you state but if all you are looking for is to create
new business models and rich clients via a Flash UI then maybe a different
approach is in order from MM. It seems
FYI, info from the course outline. This MAY change before the course is
actually released...
Developing Rich Internet Applications with Macromedia Flash and
ColdFusion MX is a 3-day class designed to teach experienced ColdFusion
developers how to create powerful internet applications that take
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FYI, info from the course outline. This MAY change before the course is
actually released...
Developing Rich Internet Applications with Macromedia Flash and
ColdFusion MX is a 3-day class designed to teach
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From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)
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Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:57 AM
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Thanks Ray,
this does seem to be quite extensive and does teach the
fundamentals of
Flash as well
: morpheus
My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda
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From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)
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Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:57 AM
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Thanks Ray
September 2002 14:03
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Thing is - I can't imagine when I'd want to use animation when
developing Flash apps for web components. Maybe my view is too limited -
but I see myself using simple components and forms 99% of the time. I
: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:54 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ben's J2EE Book, now new course to be offered by MACR
FYI, info from the course outline. This MAY change before the course is
actually released...
Developing Rich Internet Applications with Macromedia Flash and
ColdFusion MX is a 3-day
I'm glad to see this is coming, but really wish that the info was
available online for me to work through on my own
here herethis is crucial.
N
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From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 30 September 2002 14:19
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...
Thanks for your interest in making Flash MX, especially AS,
accessible to the unwashed masses.
Rick
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 9:03 AM
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, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda
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From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)
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Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 9:09 AM
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True, True, but maybe MM should have built
Thanks for your interest in making Flash MX, especially AS,
accessible to the unwashed masses.
Well, I certainly can't take credit for any of this. There are some very
good people in our education department. In this case they wrote
something that is EXTREMELY dead on for the coders. Sorry if
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Trivial? Have you used DHTML lately? (grin). There are many things that
Flash can do that one could do in DHTML - however the fact that you have
99% less cross-platform headaches
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 30 September 2002 14:23
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Thanks for your interest in making Flash MX, especially AS,
accessible to the unwashed masses.
Well, I certainly can't take
I like Flash, dont get me wrong, but if all you are doing it
linking to a DB
for a static form or grid etc, then you may as well use HTML
and no I am not
anti Flash Remoting - far from it, I just dont see the
business benefit
(development time = cost) of using say Flash for things which
of Flash is removed, there will always be a sticking point.
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 30 September 2002 14:39
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I like Flash, dont get me wrong, but if all
training wheels for, yet.
Rick
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From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)
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Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 9:52 AM
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Yep, thanks Ray, and indeed what you are saying
Let me just say that I'm very excited about this class. My background is
interface design, but it's the code side that I want to sit down and learn.
A code-centric class will be extremely welcome. I'll be looking forward to
the announcement.
Animation vs programming is a non-issue. For web sites
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FYI, info from the course outline. This MAY change before the course is
actually released...
Developing Rich Internet Applications with Macromedia Flash
On Monday, Sep 30, 2002, at 01:32 US/Pacific, Robertson-Ravo, Neil
(REC) wrote:
I totally disagree.. getting it 'connected' is the easy part. The
actual
movement and animation (for which Flash is designed) is the difficult
part.
Flash MX is designed to allow complex client-server
On Monday, Sep 30, 2002, at 06:29 US/Pacific, Robertson-Ravo, Neil
(REC) wrote:
anti Flash Remoting - far from it, I just dont see the business benefit
(development time = cost) of using say Flash for things which could be
developed in normal HTML.
The benefit is in the end result: a
'complete applications'!
If its good, I suggest getting it on DesDev :-)
Neil
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 28 September 2002 20:45
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Subject: RE: Ben's J2EE Book
I want to +1 this. Like Sean, I can't give details, but as a coder, I
really
Subject: RE: Ben's J2EE Book
This I have to see you say a complete 'novice' at Flash? Is this
course only going to cover the basics of Rich Internet apps
rather than
using Flash as it was designed e.g. animation etc...?
Flash is great tool for some compelling work on the internet
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ben's J2EE Book
Neil, let check and see what I can share. All I feel
comfortable saying
right now is that I am _extremely_ happy with what I've seen of the
course - and I do not like 'art junk'. I'll get back with
more info if I
can
: RE: Ben's J2EE Book
Ok, I'm told I can talk freely...
Folks, I've only looked at the first 6 units, but what I see so far I
love. It is a very NON ART Flash AS type class. All of the things I
learned were not things that required even the tiniest amount of
artistic ability. What I did learn
, September 29, 2002 23:19
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ben's J2EE Book
Hi, Raymond.
Thanks for the news. Sounds perfect.
Once I figure out that I can program the Flash/CF Interface
(i.e., make money with it!), then I'll figure out how to make it look
great...
that's really the easiest part
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There are lots of basic AS books out there (and lots of not so basic
ones too).
I have Macromedia Flash MX ActionScripting: Advanced Training from the
Source here and it is quite good. My only objection to it is that all
the AS is oriented around UI
anything from them.
Congrats on your chat app!
Rick
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From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 12:00 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ben's J2EE Book
AS is easier to learn ( not necessarily easy ) if you already know a decent
amount
One of the problems I have in relating to AS is a total
lack of JavaScript (JS) knowledge. I've never written
*anything* in JS. So, for me, this is an exercise in
learning something with no point of reference. That's
why it's impossible for me to study the example apps
and get
is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda
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From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 11:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Ben's J2EE Book
I think you'll find the forthcoming Rich Internet Application course
from
FYI, that book should ship from the printer any day now, so stores
should have it next week.
The Intranets and Content Management title has shipped from the
printer, and stores are getting copies now.
--- Ben
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From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:
Thx Ben...Ya Amazon gave an ETA of this Monday...but estimate 1-2 week till
delivery...
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From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 1:56 PM
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FYI, that book should ship from the printer any day
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FYI, that book should ship from the printer any day now, so stores
should have it next week.
The Intranets and Content Management title has shipped from the
printer, and stores are getting copies now
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From: Gaulin, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 11:18 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ben's J2EE Book
I'm still waiting for Amazon to ship my order of Reality CF MX: Flash
Integration, CFMX Web App Construction Kit, and Advanced CFMX App
On Friday, Sep 27, 2002, at 11:36 US/Pacific, Matt Liotta wrote:
They were all raffled away last at BACFUG; you should have attended.
BTW, the reviews I've heard so far on the Flash integration book from
CFers is that it is too beginner to be useful.
I've actually heard the opposite - that
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On Friday, Sep 27, 2002, at 11:36 US/Pacific, Matt Liotta wrote:
They were all raffled away last at BACFUG; you should have attended.
BTW, the reviews I've heard so far on the Flash integration book
from
CFers is that it is too beginner
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From: Gaulin, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 11:18 AM
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I'm still waiting for Amazon to ship my order of Reality CF MX: Flash
Integration, CFMX Web App Construction Kit, and Advanced
Well, that might be me, since I don't know Flash or ActionScript at all but
don't want a beginners book.
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Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 2:57 PM
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Now all we need is for someone
, 2002 3:24 PM
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Subject: RE: Ben's J2EE Book
Indeed the 4 applications described in the FlashMX Integration book are
pretty simple :
- MP3 JukeBox,
- expense reporting,
- mail client,
- chat (FlashCom based).
The CFMX/Flash Remoting side is very simple and the FlashMX is not that
advanced
On Friday, Sep 27, 2002, at 11:36 US/Pacific, Matt Liotta wrote:
They were all raffled away last at BACFUG; you should have attended.
BTW, the reviews I've heard so far on the Flash integration book from
CFers is that it is too beginner to be useful.
I've actually heard the opposite -
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Indeed the 4 applications described in the FlashMX Integration book are
pretty simple :
- MP3 JukeBox,
- expense reporting,
- mail client,
- chat (FlashCom based).
The CFMX/Flash Remoting side is very
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From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 11:56 AM
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Subject: Re: Ben's J2EE Book
On Friday, Sep 27, 2002, at 11:36 US/Pacific, Matt Liotta
wrote:
They were all raffled away last at BACFUG; you should
have attended.
BTW
...
The problem is to find some free time to read all those great books! ;)
Benoit Hediard
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Envoyé : vendredi 27 septembre 2002 21:27
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Objet : RE: Ben's J2EE Book
I also just ordered Branden's new book for OO
J2EE book...
The problem is to find some free time to read all those great books! ;)
Benoit Hediard
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De : Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Objet : RE: Ben's J2EE Book
I also just ordered Branden's new book
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On Friday, Sep 27, 2002, at 11:36 US/Pacific, Matt Liotta wrote:
They were all raffled away last at BACFUG; you should have attended.
BTW, the reviews I've heard so far on the Flash
Ok, I am keeping a list ...
More ActionScript
Less ActionScript
More complex ActionScript
Less complex ActionScript
More CFML
Less CFML
Simpler remoting
More complex remoting
Great, we'll get right to work on it. :-)
I think that by writing 3 or 4 totally different books you
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From: Benoit Hediard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 12:47 PM
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Subject: RE: Ben's J2EE Book
I also ordered Branden's new book for OO
for...
Rick
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From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:39 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ben's J2EE Book
This is probably a result of hearing different things from people who are
primarily CF developers or primarily Flash developers
in cold...
If you don't want to write multiple books to satisfy everyone,
then it's lowest common denominator time...
Rick
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From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 4:13 PM
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Ok, I am keeping a list
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Joe
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From: Stacy Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: Ben's J2EE Book
Yeah I've always relied on Ben's books...since CF4...he made it very
approachable for a novice...Figure I can't go
, 2002 5:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ben's J2EE Book
For us AS beginners, the problem is that
we *must* learn the most basic aspects of AS
to function. Advanced scripters may not want to
wade through the basics, but they can still get to where
they need to be.
Skip the basics, and start
27, 2002 5:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Ben's J2EE Book
For us AS beginners, the problem is that
we *must* learn the most basic aspects of AS
to function. Advanced scripters may not want to
wade through the basics, but they can still get to where
they need to be.
Skip the basics, and start
I think you'll find the forthcoming Rich Internet Application course
from Macromedia to be exactly what you're looking for. I don't have a
date for it yet but I'm one of the internal reviewers and so far it
seems pretty good, allowing a complete novice with Flash to work
through and build
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From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 11:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Ben's J2EE Book
I think you'll find the forthcoming Rich Internet Application course
from Macromedia to be exactly what you're looking for. I don't have
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Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:39 PM
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Subject: RE: Ben's J2EE Book
This is probably a result of hearing different things from
people who are
primarily CF developers or primarily Flash developers and
therefore, the
Flash folks are apt to think the ActionScript is too
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