RE: Geographical redundancy?

2002-05-13 Thread Rick Walters
Subject: RE: Geographical redundancy? You'll need to rely on one of the larger ISP/hosting providers for this, it won't be cheap. Exodus (are they still around?), is an example of a well known provider that can accommodate you. Their NOC's (network operation center) are notoriously renowned

RE: Geographical redundancy?

2002-05-12 Thread Al Musella, DPM
This actually looks like a great business opportunity for some of the ISPs on this list to work together on. I got private email from a bunch of people offering to handle the hosting.. but none of their websites actually mention something like geographic redundancy. It could be a new

RE: Geographical redundancy?

2002-05-12 Thread Matt Liotta
To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Geographical redundancy? This actually looks like a great business opportunity for some of the ISPs on this list to work together on. I got private email from a bunch of people offering to handle the hosting.. but none of their websites actually mention something

RE: Geographical redundancy?

2002-05-12 Thread Cantrell, Adam
You'll need to rely on one of the larger ISP/hosting providers for this, it won't be cheap. Exodus (are they still around?), is an example of a well known provider that can accommodate you. Their NOC's (network operation center) are notoriously renowned as being the biggest and the baddest

RE: Geographical redundancy?

2002-05-12 Thread Matt Liotta
Message- From: Cantrell, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 9:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Geographical redundancy? You'll need to rely on one of the larger ISP/hosting providers for this, it won't be cheap. Exodus (are they still around?), is an example of a well

RE: Geographical redundancy?

2002-05-11 Thread Tony Gruen
Act of God or War clause. Tony Gruen -Original Message- From: Al Musella, DPM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 11:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Geographical redundancy? I have to put together a proposal for a medical office management application which will be

RE: Geographical redundancy?

2002-05-11 Thread Matt Liotta
This is a well understood problem for many of the major web sites on the net. There are many ways to attack this problem, but you are really better hiring someone with experience than trying to figure it out on your own. I can point you to companies that offer products and services to help you do

Re: Geographical redundancy?

2002-05-11 Thread Douglas Brown
I would not get into something like that with a client. If you do, you are putting your head on the chopping block due to the fact that not all disasters or outages can be avoided. Like the poster before said, you need something like disaster clause Douglas Brown Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Geographical redundancy?

2002-05-11 Thread Jeffry Houser
At 02:04 PM 5/11/2002 -0400, you wrote: I have to put together a proposal for a medical office management application which will be used in an ASP (application service provider - not the MS language:) model.. one of the requirements is that the application has to be hosted in such a way

Re: Geographical redundancy?

2002-05-11 Thread Jeffry Houser
And make sure that your liability insurance is in place too. : ha, ha: At 11:37 AM 5/11/2002 -0700, you wrote: I would not get into something like that with a client. If you do, you are putting your head on the chopping block due to the fact that not all disasters or outages can be avoided.

RE: Geographical redundancy?

2002-05-11 Thread Matt Liotta
Sure they can. It is hard and expensive, but yes, they can. -Matt -Original Message- From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 11:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Geographical redundancy? I would not get into something like that with a client

RE: Geographical redundancy?

2002-05-11 Thread Matt Liotta
What are you going to do if that next bomb falls on your server? That seems like a pretty hefty requirement. You'd have to do consistent backups to some remote location on the other side of the world. You would need to do real time replication or a multi-way commit type setup, so you can

Re: Geographical redundancy?

2002-05-11 Thread Douglas Brown
. Douglas Brown Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 11:40 AM Subject: RE: Geographical redundancy? Sure they can. It is hard and expensive, but yes, they can. -Matt -Original

RE: Geographical redundancy?

2002-05-11 Thread Matt Liotta
PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 12:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Geographical redundancy? Well maybe if they have 2 hosts that they can use, and have only one be live and the other just be sitting there getting updates to transactions that are processed. Then when (A) went down (B

RE: Geographical redundancy?

2002-05-11 Thread Jeffry Houser
At 11:42 AM 5/11/2002 -0700, you wrote: What are you going to do if that next bomb falls on your server? That seems like a pretty hefty requirement. You'd have to do consistent backups to some remote location on the other side of the world. You would need to do real time replication

RE: Geographical redundancy?

2002-05-11 Thread Matt Liotta
: Geographical redundancy? At 11:42 AM 5/11/2002 -0700, you wrote: What are you going to do if that next bomb falls on your server? That seems like a pretty hefty requirement. You'd have to do consistent backups to some remote location on the other side of the world. You would need to do

RE: Geographical redundancy?

2002-05-11 Thread Jeffry Houser
servers. -Matt -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 12:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Geographical redundancy? At 11:42 AM 5/11/2002 -0700, you wrote: What are you going to do if that next bomb falls on your server

Re: Geographical redundancy?

2002-05-11 Thread Jim McAtee
PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 1:19 PM Subject: RE: Geographical redundancy? That is why some go with a multi-way commit. This ensures that a transaction can not be completed until it is committed on all servers. -Matt -Original Message- From

RE: Geographical redundancy?

2002-05-11 Thread Matt Liotta
Subject: Re: Geographical redundancy? That sounds very well, but what's the course of action if one or more servers/networks is offline? It can't scuttle the transaction, can it? If so, you end up with a system that is actually N times more vulnerable to downtime. Jim - Original

Re: Geographical redundancy?

2002-05-11 Thread Jon Hall
Let's not forget the best reason for geographic redundancy. You get to take a trip to wherever you want to set up the servers and application, and the client pays for it :) jon __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox.

RE: Geographical redundancy?

2002-05-11 Thread Matt Liotta
I wish! Generally, you setup the servers and then crate them up and ship to the data centers. -Matt -Original Message- From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 7:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Geographical redundancy? Let's not forget the best

Re: Geographical redundancy?

2002-05-11 Thread Jon Hall
Message- From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 7:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Geographical redundancy? Let's not forget the best reason for geographic redundancy. You get to take a trip to wherever you want to set up the servers and application