Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)

2003-10-27 Thread Thomas Chiverton
On Friday 24 Oct 2003 17:46 pm, Matt Liotta wrote: ideas they never implement? Because the practice of patenting ideas without implementing them into a product is quite common. And shouldn't be allowed. If you event a physical device and patent it (in the US) you have to provide a working

RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)

2003-10-27 Thread Kennerly, Rick H CIV
Or at least implement them within a certain amount of time. Rick -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 27 October, 2003 07:24 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) On Friday 24 Oct 2003 17:46 pm, Matt Liotta

RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)

2003-10-24 Thread Tony Weeg
architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) I still think Eolas is an ass. This is now off topic

RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)

2003-10-24 Thread d.a.collie
hahahahahahahahahaaa... like the analogy! -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 October 2003 16:42 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) I think the problem is that we have all gone down a road, so far so long

Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)

2003-10-24 Thread Thomas Chiverton
On Friday 24 Oct 2003 16:38 pm, Matt Liotta wrote: certainly playing fair. If they were only concerned with their IP rights, they'd have sued years ago, and would currently be sueing more than just Microsoft. As it is, it looks to me like a money grab. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion

RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)

2003-10-24 Thread Eric Creese
what an analogy... it is Friday. You win best email of the day. -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) I think the problem is that we have all gone down

Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)

2003-10-24 Thread Matt Liotta
If they were only concerned with their IP rights, they'd have sued years ago, and would currently be sueing more than just Microsoft. As it is, it looks to me like a money grab. Which is just plain good business currently. If you don't like it, talk to your representative about changing the

RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)

2003-10-24 Thread Adam Wayne Lehman
: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) I still think Eolas is an ass. This is now off topic, but I find it interesting that people consider Eolas to some how be evil when every other software company has patents they enforce too. What

RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)

2003-10-24 Thread Dave Watts
This is now off topic, but I find it interesting that people consider Eolas to some how be evil when every other software company has patents they enforce too. What specifically is your problem with Eolas? Common business practices are often considered unethical (especially by people who

Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)

2003-10-24 Thread Matt Liotta
If he was suing Netscape Apple I'd think differently. However he's only targeting MS. It is standard practice to sue the big fish first before suing any other infringers. Again, Eolas is currently playing fair. Whether or not we like, they did get the patent and are allowed to enforce it.

RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)

2003-10-24 Thread Joshua Miller
-Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) I still think Eolas is an ass. This is now off topic, but I find it interesting that people consider Eolas

Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)

2003-10-24 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Joshua Miller wrote: If this was about protecting intellectual property all of the browser vendors would be in the same boat, however they're not. It is not and it was never about protecting intellectual property. It is about the exploitation of intellectual property to earn money.

Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)

2003-10-24 Thread Matt Liotta
Common business practices are often considered unethical (especially by people who don't benefit from those practices); what people are allowed to do by law is not necessarily the same as what they should do. While that may be true, it would seem to me then that it is actually the law that

Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)

2003-10-24 Thread Matt Liotta
If this was about protecting intellectual property all of the browser vendors would be in the same boat, however they're not. Microsoft was targeted because they have the deepest pockets and the lion's share of the browser market. Again, Eolas is following the standard patent litigation

Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)

2003-10-24 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Dave Watts wrote: Common business practices are often considered unethical (especially by people who don't benefit from those practices); what people are allowed to do by law is not necessarily the same as what they should do. Eolas doesn't actually produce anything. To the best of my

Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)

2003-10-24 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 12:22 PM 10/24/03 -0400, Matt Liotta wrote: It is standard practice to sue the big fish first before suing any other infringers. Again, Eolas is currently playing fair. Whether or not we like, they did get the patent and are allowed to enforce it. I don't think that being an ass has anything

Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)

2003-10-24 Thread Matt Liotta
Since there's nothing we can do about it, we just have to use the workaround and hope that Eolas goes belly up. Alternatively, you could get mad at the patent system instead and work to change that instead of wasting time on the latest company exploiting it. Matt Liotta President CEO

Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)

2003-10-24 Thread Calvin Ward
Subject: Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) Since there's nothing we can do about it, we just have to use the workaround and hope that Eolas goes belly up. Alternatively, you could get mad at the patent system instead and work to change that instead of wasting time on the latest

RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)

2003-10-24 Thread Jaye Morris - jayeZERO.com
Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) If this was about protecting intellectual property all of the browser vendors would be in the same boat, however they're

RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)

2003-10-24 Thread Adam Wayne Lehman
- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) Since there's nothing we can do about it, we just have to use the workaround and hope that Eolas goes belly up. Alternatively, you could get

Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)

2003-10-24 Thread Matt Liotta
But Eolas is still only suing MS and that is precisely my issue with him. I don't think he has any intentions of suing Apple and AOL. Which in my book are still pretty big fish. They have openly said they are trying to 'balance the internet browser war'. (ie. We're only going to sue MS) I

RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news), beat the horse dead

2003-10-24 Thread Kevin Marino
-- Webmaster - HealthObjects [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410 895 0377 -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) But Eolas is still only suing MS and that is precisely my issue

Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)

2003-10-24 Thread John Quarto-vonTivadar
] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 2:37 PM Subject: Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) One can find both the system and the people who take advantage of the system to be less than honorable. And that opinion has no need to be influenced by the ethical level

RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news), beat the horse dead

2003-10-24 Thread Joshua Miller
alonehehe ) -Kevin Marino -- Webmaster - HealthObjects [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410 895 0377 -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news

RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news), beat the horse dead

2003-10-24 Thread Mark A. Kruger - CFG
I suppose you could sit on your patent for a while like eolas (lol). -Original Message- From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 2:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news), beat the horse dead No worries, I'm taking out

Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news), beat the horse dead

2003-10-24 Thread John Quarto-vonTivadar
No worries, I'm taking out a Patent on being an Asshole, then I'm going after Eolas and all these other jokers for infringement. Ask anyone I know, I'll get the patent. You'd have a tough time doing full discovery on all prior art on the topic. Besides, you'd only get a Patent on the PROCESS