I have been googling and playing with XUL for several hours and I am
impressed with what it (you) can do.
XUL has been out there for a while --- guess I just missed it.
Here's a start (a little dated):
http://www.sitepoint.com/article/xul-nets-biggest-secret-1
XUL is a framework for
potent stuff isnt it?Kinda makes you rethink application design and chucks
out the window the need to learn flash to make a ria.
DRE
-Original Message-
From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 4:31 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: desktop application
I
rethink application design and
chucks
out the window the need to learn flash to make a ria.
DRE
-Original Message-
From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 4:31 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: desktop application
I have been googling and playing with XUL
XUL is platform independent -- anywhere Mozilla runs, XUL
runs
potent stuff isnt it?Kinda makes you rethink application
design and chucks out the window the need to learn flash to
make a ria.
Except for the fact that very few people use Mozilla. I use it, and like it,
but if I wanted
I'm not sure how far it's gotten, but there is the XRE: XUL Runtime
Environment, so you can have standalone apps without bundling (or
requiring) Mozilla.
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xul/xre.html
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Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Apr 6, 2004, at 11:40 AM, Dave Watts wrote:
Except for
There y'go Dave, being logical practical!
We do need to remember who lost the browser wars :)
There is a tradeoff, however.
Flash can do somethings (the smackdown at Fig Leaf comes to mind) that
would be difficult with XUL.
But for the kinds of things I normally do, Flash is a little heavy,
At the risk of being on both sides of an issue, it this case XUL vs
Flash, here's an interesting quote:
The open source revolution has done nothing to change the fact that
the best-designed, most-intuitive user interfaces are found in
closed-source commercial software.
This comes form a
Dave Watts wrote:
ahhh ... if only we had CFAnywhere. :)
~cough~bluedragon
Thats what CFAnywhere became.
CFAnywhere was a product of Live Software, the makers of Jrun, who were
purchased by Allaire.
Yeah - remember now - getting tagservlet and cfanywhere mixed up.
Regards
If you want to stick with a flavor of CFML, there is a budding product out of Toronto called CORAL that permits building CFML-based apps on a local machine just like you would build a VB or whatever app locally and use whatever backend database you want. For more details go to:
Yeah, this looks good --- except it is windows only.
The original poster wanted something for the Mac, too.
Dick
On Apr 5, 2004, at 1:24 AM, Arden Weiss wrote:
If you want to stick with a flavor of CFML, there is a budding product
out of Toronto called CORAL that permits building CFML-based
Subject: RE: desktop application
On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 20:27, Jim Davis wrote:
Take a look at the HTA application framework from Microsoft (go to
masdn.microsoft.com and choose library, then choose Web Technologies
then HTA).I've been using it recently and it's pretty sweet.
I think he said it has
the hta and fso in ie and when the computer is
eventually connected, just upload it to your cf or php
server. requires
mozilla but that should be ok on a mac.
DRE
-Original Message-
From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: desktop
ahhh ... if only we had CFAnywhere. :)
~cough~bluedragon
Thats what CFAnywhere became.
CFAnywhere was a product of Live Software, the makers of Jrun, who were
purchased by Allaire.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
phone: 202-797-5496
fax: 202-797-5444
Unfortuately doesn't really help John with a cross-platform
desktop application.Yeah I know it should run everywhere,
but nothing is ever quite that simple and in this instance
cf/php/etc are all a little on the heavy side. Mini flash app
should be more than sufficient. (he says sticking
How about PHP?Blasphemy, yes, but a simple solution.It doesn't sound
like you need some fancy, glorified interface to collect email addresses.
Then you get to dabble in something different (if you haven't used it
already) and charge for it to boot!
Andy
-Original Message-
From: Burns,
Dick Applebaum wrote:
ahhh ... if only we had CFAnywhere. :)
~cough~bluedragon
Thats what CFAnywhere became.Plus you're showing your age now Dick.. ;)
Unfortuately doesn't really help John with a cross-platform desktop
application.Yeah I know it should run everywhere, but nothing is
Unless I am mistaken, the company that made cfAnywhere was purchased by
Allaire cfAnywhare became JRun
I have always felt that CF would be very good for ad hoc desktop apps.
With the advent of the initial version of CFMX and its integrated JRun,
and integrated RDBMS (PointBase) it seemed that
Re-posting Steve Nelson's suggestion:
... CFML on the desktop... http://www.pcaonline.com/coral/index.cfm ...Looks
pretty powerful
-Brad
-Original Message-
From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:02 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: desktop application
How about MS Access? You could then FTP the file to a server where you could
use a linked table to access the email addresses, etc..
Mike
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From: Andrew Tyrone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 10:04 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: desktop
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Unless I am mistaken, the company that made cfAnywhere was
purchased by
Allaire cfAnywhare became JRun
I have always felt that CF would be very good for ad hoc desktop
apps
On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 10:00, Brad Roberts wrote:
Re-posting Steve Nelson's suggestion:
... CFML on the desktop... http://www.pcaonline.com/coral/index.cfm ...Looks
pretty powerful
I though he said it needed to run on Mac. Does that run on Mac?
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Don't think so... but I'm sure he could use Virtual PC?
http://www.apple.com/macosx/applications/virtualpc/
-Brad
-Original Message-
From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 6:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: desktop application
On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 10:00, Brad
://www.apple.com/macosx/applications/virtualpc/
-Brad
-Original Message-
From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 6:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: desktop application
On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 10:00, Brad Roberts wrote:
Re-posting Steve Nelson's suggestion
Yep you could build a standalone Flash app that runs as a projector (.exe file on computer in question).The app could store the registrations in an XML filelater you can suck the data out of the XML file and stuff it in the DB
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
why not just design it in IE, have it fill up the whole screen, use some flash elements to make it looks flashy or nice or whatever, but use regular ol' HTML forms
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From: Burns, John D
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 1:58 PM
Subject: SOT: desktop
I don't have a lot of experience with this tool, but you could try Coral Web
Builder. http://www.pcaonline.com/coral/index.cfm it's basically a stripped
down CFML on the desktop. Looks pretty powerful.
Steve Nelson
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From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 02,
Ok, but how do I actually write to that xml file?I know flash can
read, but is there a method for writing to an xml file?
John Burns
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From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: desktop application
Yep
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Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:03 PM
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Subject: Re: desktop application
why not just design it in IE, have it fill up the whole screen, use some
flash elements to make it looks flashy or nice or whatever, but use
regular ol' HTML forms
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From
JB,
Just store everything in the shared objects (flash cookies) and do a sync when the compuetr is online via remoting or xml.
-adam
-Original Message-
From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2004 08:27 PM
To: 'CF-Talk'
Subject: RE: desktop application
suck the data out of the XML file and stuff it in the DB
Bryan, your getting way too technical man. I'm having trouble following all
of this high tech terminology! ;)
Brook
At 12:04 PM 4/2/2004, you wrote:
Yep you could build a standalone Flash app that runs as a projector (.exe
file on
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Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:41 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: desktop application
suck the data out of the XML file and stuff it in the DB
Bryan, your getting way too technical man. I'm having trouble following
all
of this high tech terminology! ;)
Brook
At 12:04 PM 4/2/2004
- Original Message -
From: Burns, John D
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:27 PM
Subject: RE: desktop application
Ok, but how do I actually write to that xml file?I know flash can
read, but is there a method for writing to an xml file?
John Burns
-Original Message-
From: Bryan
: desktop application
suck the data out of the XML file and stuff it in the DB
Bryan, your getting way too technical man. I'm having trouble following all
of this high tech terminology! ;)
Brook
At 12:04 PM 4/2/2004, you wrote:
Yep you could build a standalone Flash app that runs as a projector (.exe
Wait, are these computers connected to the server, or not?
- Original Message -
From: Burns, John D
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 2:28 PM
Subject: RE: desktop application
I'm not sure if I'm missing something, but then I would have no way of
writing the text file, unless I
www.macromedia.com
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Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group
Founder Director
www.cfug-vancouverisland.com
- Original Message -
From: Burns, John D
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:39 PM
Subject: RE: desktop application
No, I understand
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Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group
Founder Director
www.cfug-vancouverisland.com
- Original Message -
From: brobborb
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: desktop application
Wait, are these computers connected to the server
, April 2, 2004 08:49 PM
To: 'CF-Talk'
Subject: Re: desktop application
The client machine will HAVE TO connect to the net for this to happen.It can detect the connection...when it does it can call a remote web service to suck the data out of the XML file and stuff it in the DB as I so eloquently
No, I understand how to get from XML to the DB, but if the Flash file is
running directly on a client machine (CF not installed and no internet
connection) how do I get Flash to write the input to a text or xml file
for upload later?
You can't get Flash to save a .txt file on the client on
ahhh ... if only we had CFAnywhere. :)
On Apr 2, 2004, at 12:16 PM, Steve Nelson wrote:
I don't have a lot of experience with this tool, but you could try
Coral Web
Builder. http://www.pcaonline.com/coral/index.cfm it's basically a
stripped
down CFML on the desktop. Looks pretty
command is something that only is supposed in the windows version of
flash.Just thought I'd share.
John
-Original Message-
From: Darron J. Schall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 4:05 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: desktop application
No, I understand how to get from
Take a look at the HTA application framework from Microsoft (go to
masdn.microsoft.com and choose library, then choose Web Technologies
then HTA).I've been using it recently and it's pretty sweet.
Basically all it is a single tag that informs IE to open in an application
mode - no browser chrome,
On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 20:27, Jim Davis wrote:
Take a look at the HTA application framework from Microsoft (go to
masdn.microsoft.com and choose library, then choose Web Technologies
then HTA).I've been using it recently and it's pretty sweet.
I think he said it has to work on Mac. Does that
Ooops - my bad.I don't think so. even if it did the system objects that
make it truly useful wouldn't be there.
But for Windows it's still sweet.;^)
Jim Davis
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From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: desktop application
On Fri
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