On 6/28/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, I am talking about the product that Flex is a child from or is better
put as a recarnation of a better product.
It was introduced to the market about 11 years ago, maybe 12 not 100% sure
on that.
I am thinking for some reason it started
Yep thats the one, for the life of me you think I could remember something
like that.
On 6/28/07, Chris Velevitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/28/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, I am talking about the product that Flex is a child from or is
better
put as a recarnation of
On 6/28/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yep thats the one, for the life of me you think I could remember something
like that.
Someone developed a product that emulates Generator called JGenerator
then open sourced it (http://www.osflash.org/jgenerator)
Chris
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Chris Velevitch
And Geoff you wonder why I say to you, you do not read my posts? I actually
said the product was what is now know as Flex
I was going to let that go, but what annoys me is a comment like that when
you make something clear...
As for smith, I already covered that too.
On 6/28/07, Geoff
On Jun 28, 3:51 pm, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
NDA limits what I say, but till our product is released YOU can't comment on
what we have done. What I can say, is the license cost is the issue in this
case. Trust me I have had this discussion so many times here, and you can't
tell
On Jun 28, 4:26 pm, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And Geoff you wonder why I say to you, you do not read my posts? I actually
said the product was what is now know as Flex
Generator has absolutely nothing to do with Flex. There is no
simularity beyond producing Flash content.
As far as what Flex delivers yes you are right.
Geoff you crack me up. But things evolve over time, and sometimes you go
back to the drawing board.
Now take the following add a dash of spices, and a new direction and what do
you think this sounds like.. Got to say provide a better coding style,
Why cant we all just get along?
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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: All things Adobe - was ColdFusion Survey
As far as what
On Jun 28, 5:56 pm, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As far as what Flex delivers yes you are right.
Geoff you crack me up. But things evolve over time, and sometimes you go
back to the drawing board.
Now take the following add a dash of spices, and a new direction and what do
you
Because that is no fun:-)
Andrew Scott
Senior Coldfusion Developer
Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
www.aegeon.com.au
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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Steve Onnis
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2007 6:07 PM
I have to agree in-so-far - yes I am using CF8 (RC). That was my only
statement. I must add I was in the top 25 for bug submissions for
pre-RC release for CF8 also.
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Peter Tilbrook
ColdGen Internet Solutions
President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group
PO Box 2247
Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620
Brain teaser for the day - think of a thread that Andrew Scott can't
turn into an irrational rant against Adobe's pricing.
Aww.. sorry . that's too hard.
Can't you give it a rest for a while Andrew? We can't do anything
about Adobe's pricing. Address your issues to them instead of causing
me
Geoff,
First of all, I never HiJacked this thread. I made a post as to what I voted
for in the survey, and gave my reasons behind it. It was on topic.
If you had bothered to follow the thread you will understand, so becuase it
has changed from a survey to a blood bath it is saying that you are
Peter,
I really felt like being an arse to you again, but this time do you mind
leaving a little bit of what you are replying too?
It just might stop me hitting you on the head with the request scope is evil
again :-)
On 6/28/07, Peter Tilbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have to agree
Dale Steve,
I agree, however it is very interesting to here people's reactions when they
do not know the full facts. I did my best to point out what I got told
politely in meetings here, but it is good to know that there are many
passionate about the technology.
Just that there are a few who do
E) Thats because everyone mostly develops on the standard version, Geoff go
off and develop an Enterprise solution and say to your client sorry but we
need to add $9.5k for the license and see their faces drop.
Your negotiation skills must be of a very low order. To pay 9.5K would
be
Peter,
Nothing to do with Negotiation skills, whats the point of going down that
road if it is not going to happen :-( And besides, I know for a fact there
is no way, and I mean no way that Adobe will sell us any copy of CF
Enterprise for $250.00 and thats the price each edition would need to be
Umm.. this thread is just freakin funny..
Here's how I'm seeing it so far. Dale wanted to unpick something he pondered
about in terms of Coldfusion and the future. So he did a positive step to
see what the public would say to some questions, it came back great results
and thumbs up alround.
Well.. actually... nope.. i won't go there.. i differ from this position on
Flex 1.x to how Flex 2.x came to be...
:)
On 6/28/07, Geoff Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 28, 3:12 pm, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And I went back to the days when Flex was in its very infant
Scotty, Scotty, Scotty...
I never stated I was THE premier bugfinder - Ray Camden must surely
hold that title. And our efforts made the RC a more stable platform -
but Adobe still need all of us to push it to find any issues before it
goes gold.
At least I bother to ask Adobe about CF8 and got
PS - thanks for full name quote. Should I be pleased? Humble?
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On 27/06/2007, at 12:13 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:
Robin,
Yes I am talking about tag / function development.
Hi Andrew,
Seem to have started something here. I was onsite all day in
Melbourne yesterday and have a bit to catch up on, will try to pitch
in with a response soon.
Robin
The thread of a lifetime, and it just has to be while Barry's on vacation.
Scott Barnes wrote:
*snip*
All i need now is Barry to chime in with some more brand-war bait,
maybe I could throw in a .NET remark or two to end with maybe a fight
between Adobe or Microsoft which M@ then can
On 28/06/2007, at 9:58 AM, Geoff Bowers wrote:
Who to talk to? Well at Adobe you could contact the local Partner
manager and enquire about OEM licensing options.
That's Tim Hussey in the Sydney Office.
Robin Hilliard
CEO - RocketBoots Pty Limited
Consulting . Recruitment . Software
On 29/06/2007, at 10:45 AM, Joel wrote:
But been thinking.. how do web hosting companies offer cheap
hosting for
CFMX Ent if they are paying 9k for the lic ?
Yes. Maybe these way too expensive local hosting companies
actually pay for their licenses...
Robin Hilliard
CEO - RocketBoots
How about this for some conspiracy theory:
Derision is Andrew Scott
So when people reply to Derision say 'right on brother' or 'yeah, that guy
is a total #$%^'
Andrew would have the last laugh
Though I think people are making their opinions of him publicly known
Now I am off to read his posts
I run a hosting business and I work on the volume principal (I hope I spelt
it the right way). Get enough clients to cover the cost and hopefully make
some op top on it. You need to look at recouping the cost long term because
you will never get it back over night (and no im not gonna say
Steve,
I will chime in here, and Mike Kear and anyone else that is running a
hosting business.
First let me say this, it is easier for you guys to plan the said cost of CF
into your decision. But I am not going to discuss that.
One thing that has puzzled me a little, and this comes from a
If you look at the IP addresses, you can work out who it is.
Regards
Dale Fraser
http://dalefraser.blogspot.com http://dalefraser.blogspot.com
From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of AJ Mercer
Sent: Friday, 29 June 2007 10:58 AM
To:
Andrew
I personally don't run virtual servers. I haven't gotten to a stage where I
have needed that sort of thing, and even if I did I would be more likely to
purchase more servers then use virtual servers. I know it's a cost factor
and it needs to be planned as part of your growth. Although
Andrew,
You have really hijacked this thread, can you create new topics rather than
keep replying to the survey one.
97 Messages
32 Andrew Scott 33%
21 Dale Fraser 22%
Then the next person is only 10 responses
Regards
Dale Fraser
http://dalefraser.blogspot.com
He he - for get IP address - I found the domain name!!
On 6/29/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you look at the IP addresses, you can work out who it is.
Regards
Dale Fraser
http://dalefraser.blogspot.com
*From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Amen to that..
He could of been big.. where is his priorities.. i hope the snow is good
because this thread is ice-cold good...
On 6/29/07, Haikal Saadh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The thread of a lifetime, and it just has to be while Barry's on vacation.
Scott Barnes wrote:
*snip*
All i
Appendix to survey: I now know of three (3) people who say they have
unsubscribed from this list after this thread.
Robin
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Steve,
I am going to send you Windows Server 2008 as once you see the new Virtual
Server environment(s) you may differ ;) hehehe... Powershell + Virtual
Servers are the shizzynizzy.. hot add CPU/RAM via C# .. thats gotta get some
love surely :) It also can help in License costs, as if you are
If anyone needs to email the author about this thread (or anything
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On 6/29/07, Robin Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Appendix to survey: I
Sorry, I mean the owner of the group, not the author.
Mark
On 6/29/07, Mark Mandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Dale,
Hijacking is going away from what you are replying too. So that makes
everyone on this thread just as damn guilty... Even you, and if you notice,
I even did change the subject on one occasion.
Steve posted something that I asked a question on which is off topic to the
subject, So you
Bring it on Scott
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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Friday, 29 June 2007 12:02 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Survey
Steve,
I am going to
oh, I've been keeping a bit of a tab on it where I can.
I'm trying to concentrate on the future - the next CF devs (or the
next web/RIA devs to be honest) so all this round-peg in square hole
is someone elses fight. right tool for the right job, eh Mr Barnes?
ATM I'm stuck in sydbney Airport
Hmm, let's see.
If Windows Vista = Windows Me 2 (I can't remember where I heard that)
then windows 2008 should be like windows 2000 2? The one that everyone
liked? (After service pack 2 anyway).
Scott Barnes wrote:
Steve,
I am going to send you Windows Server 2008 as once you see the new
I plan on purchasing ColdFusion 8 as soon as it is released, but our
application currently runs on Standard and has fairly low volume, 30
instances and probably no more than 10-20 concurrent users across all
instances.
With that said, this number could double in the next year or two (but still
*sigh*.. i honestly don't care :)
On 6/29/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That was me, about Vista = ME2...
But that was a quote from Mac people here at work, not my opinion just
relaying what others thing of Vista.
Andrew Scott
Senior Coldfusion Developer
Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
Folks,
Please create a *new* email or *new* post when starting a new topic!
It is very confusing for all if you change the subject of a thread,
mid way through the discussion. Most likely people will miss your
new
post altogether.
Typically this happens when you reply to an email on the list,
I have posted this in both the water cooler and in cfaussie cause I don't
know who's in who :) And it sort of follows on from the whole licensing
costs topic and I guess optimizing cf server setups.
Couple of questions RE virtual servers
CPU
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If the CPU maxes out in a virtual
Hi Steve
CPU:
VMWare lets you assign GHz per Virtual Server and they won't go over that. So
if you have dual 2Ghz CPU's then you safely run 3 Virtual Servers at 1GHz each.
You need to keep some core processing capacity available for the host operating
system.
RAM:
Correct, you assign RAM
Sorry, to clarify the 2 VM's on a single machine clustered question
The best phase one approach to going VMWare is to put VMWare standard edition
on two physical servers. As you add Virtual Servers to the physical servers
you need to make sure you never exceed 50% of the capacity of
Folks,
As list-admin of CFAUSSIE I receive a steady trickle of complaints
about various posters. I apologise if I've been remiss in adequately
enforcing list etiquette and trying to maintain a sense of decorum on
the forum.
I thought it might be worthwhile outlining the list policy I follow...
On 6/29/07, Bruce Trevarthen (B2 Limited) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SOFTWARE:
Again you're correct, each VM is just as if it were a physical server in the
eye's of software licenses, even Microsoft still expect a Processor license
per Virtual Server even though it's only one physical CPU
Andrew, you were warned ages ago about OT - i like wise - so i sat back and
went hmmm.. maybe i overstepped the line..nope, i did..oh i know, i'll fix
it.. BY NOT OVERSTEPPING THE LINE :)
You're quite slow on the uptake, you need to just back off a little, admit
you're wrong - move on... if bulk
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying sorry Chris. Why would anyone put
Vista or XP on a VMWare server?
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LOL. So agree.
On Jun 28, 12:14 pm, Derision [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You really are a total knob Andrew. Please please please, switch to a
different language that will help you sell your shitbox app thats oh
so top secret and go bother some other list.
I really don't know why anyone
(Apologies to everyone else if this post appears more than once. I
see to be having a problem with my Google account)
Andrew,
You are a d#$khead. Plain and simple. (You seem to get that a lot)
WTF? You are developing an application that requires that large a
spend on licences and you don't
Hi,
SOFTWARE:
Again you're correct, each VM is just as if it were a physical server in
the eye's of software licenses, even Microsoft still expect a Processor
license per Virtual Server even though it's only one physical CPU
underneath it all.
To some degree this isn't correct, depends
On 6/29/07, Bruce Trevarthen (B2 Limited) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying sorry Chris. Why would anyone
put Vista or XP on a VMWare server?
To do client side testing to see how different OSes/Browser
combinations effect an application using
A little too early to tell for ColdFusion 8 as Adobe haven't released
the specification differences yet. But if you can afford it
future-proof yourself and go with Enterprise.
On 29/06/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I plan on purchasing ColdFusion 8 as soon as it is released, but
So then from a cf server licensing perspective, can anyone tell me if I
could use the same CF license on multiple VMs?
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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Bruce Trevarthen (B2 Limited)
Sent: Friday, 29 June 2007 1:11 PM
To:
You can learn about LifeCycle by all means, Steve, but dont expect it to
turn into a business opportunity. They have it stitched up in Australia to
two companies and any work you do will have to go through them. They wont
allow any new entrants into the lifecycle product.
I've got knowledge of
I can afford it, but I also don't want to waste money.
I was a little hopeful that the Enterprise price might drop a bit or they
might do a better deal when upgrading from Standard to save some dollars,
that would make the decision easier. It's a harder decision with a 5k US
price difference.
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