[cfaussie] Re: Application.cfc and application.cfm

2007-06-04 Thread Peter Tilbrook
No I do not think so. You either use one or the other. Of course you could use Application.cfm in subfolders of your site but I wouldn't recommend it. On 04/06/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why would you want too? On 6/4/07, Rony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to

[cfaussie] Re: Application.cfc and application.cfm

2007-06-04 Thread Rony
I have been using application.cfc for our new site, but the problem is, trying to merge old code into the new one is proving somewhat difficult to to the extensive use of application.cfm in certain folders. Now these sub folder previously including the application.cfm ( the main one ) and had a

[cfaussie] Re: CFAussie Community Head Count

2007-06-04 Thread Peter Tilbrook
Matt is well known in CF circles - though I too only recently discovered he now works for Adobe (lucky bugger). He is a reputable lad however. And as for the email address - maybe he is not keen on being spammed on his work account. -- Peter Tilbrook ColdGen Internet Solutions President, ACT

[cfaussie] Re: CFAussie Community Head Count

2007-06-04 Thread AndyRazz
ping On Jun 1, 12:02 pm, Matt Voerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, Just a quick note to let you guys know that we at the Adobe Australia office haven't forgotten about you, and do monitor this (and several other) lists on a regular basis. We have a couple of Community related irons in

[cfaussie] isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread grant
Hi All My patchy memory keeps nagging at me not to use isDefined(). Am I off-base or do I remember something about it being best-practice to avoid isDefined()? Who's got the low-down? Grant --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are

[cfaussie] Re: CF Cluster

2007-06-04 Thread Peter Tilbrook
I think you are correct on this also. I also remember the samples instance not being active by default. So yes create a new Instance - and the beauty of that is it could be a CF6.x, 7.x and now 8.x if required. Of course the resources consumed can be extreme. On 04/06/07, Haikal Saadh [EMAIL

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread M@ Bourke
structkeyexist is generally regarded as best practice --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group,

[cfaussie] Re: CFAussie Community Head Count

2007-06-04 Thread Steve Onnis
Ok this is the most annoying thread. How about we put a poll or something up somewhere instead. I don't mind doing it. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AndyRazz Sent: Monday, 4 June 2007 4:38 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie]

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread Peter Tilbrook
cfif not isdefined(var.foo) ? I use cfif myquery.recordcount Returned at least one record cfelse Naddah! /cfif It is a elegant way to test for the existance of something. User with CFPARAM if you at least require a default of some sort. On 04/06/07, grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All My

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread Andrew Scott
Grant, It is going to depend on what best suits you, most people for some reason will frown at its use. But there is nothing wrong in using it. On 6/4/07, grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All My patchy memory keeps nagging at me not to use isDefined(). Am I off-base or do I remember

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread Dale Fraser
Use it all the time, See no reason not to other than where cfparam is more logical. Ie cfparam name=form.checkBoxName default=false / Instead of cfif NOT isDefined(form.checkBoxName) cfset form.checkBoxName = false / /cfif Regards Dale Fraser

[cfaussie] Re: CFAussie Community Head Count

2007-06-04 Thread Barry Beattie
there are approx 310 sign-ups that haven't pinged yet. Considering the slow rate at the moment, is there a chance that unpinged number will improve with the poll? I can see a funny side to it, though. Perhaps I'm easily amused On 6/4/07, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok this is

[cfaussie] asReports V0.2 alpha released

2007-06-04 Thread Andrew Scott
For those of you who do not know, I have re designed some code I wrote a few years ago. This application is asReports, which allows you to run a Crystal Report from within Coldfusion. This has been tested on CFMX 7.02 Coldfusion 8, but as now been released to the general public as V0.2 alpha.

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread MrBuzzy
ParameterExists() is bad. In fact forget I even mentioned it :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread Raymond Camden
structKeyExists runs quicker - but I hesitate to say isDefined is bad. Personally I'd use what feels best to you. It's not like one will take 0.002 ms and the other will take 2 hours. On 6/4/07, grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All My patchy memory keeps nagging at me not to use isDefined().

[cfaussie] Re: CFAussie Community Head Count

2007-06-04 Thread Zac Spitzer
plang from melboune On 6/4/07, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there are approx 310 sign-ups that haven't pinged yet. Considering the slow rate at the moment, is there a chance that unpinged number will improve with the poll? I can see a funny side to it, though. Perhaps I'm easily

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread Peter Tilbrook
Ray is right. And the fact you are bothering to check at all is good coding practice. Never assume. On 04/06/07, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: structKeyExists runs quicker - but I hesitate to say isDefined is bad. Personally I'd use what feels best to you. It's not like one will

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread Simon Haddon
Hi Grant, The choice is really down to your programming style. I have come from a C / Pascal / PLSQL / Java background and have learned to be very dogmatic and methodical with my programming style. As a team leader I insist that all variables are either declared at the start of a template or to

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread Andrew Scott
Actually Ray is wrong so to speak... It is a known fact and even though in some cases it makes no difference as the speed differences are very slight, but it is personal preference and nothing more. As far as best practice goes, I would be more concerned on how to optimise the server processing

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread Andrew Scott
Simon CFC's go without saying, as there will be problems if you do not scope variables with the var scope anyway. just an FYI to any new developers. On 6/4/07, Simon Haddon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Grant, The choice is really down to your programming style. I have come from a C / Pascal

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread Peter Tilbrook
I am glad I don't work on one of Andrew Scotts projects. On 04/06/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon CFC's go without saying, as there will be problems if you do not scope variables with the var scope anyway. just an FYI to any new developers. On 6/4/07, Simon Haddon [EMAIL

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread Andrew Scott
Yeah, well you wouldn't I hate the request scope it is evil. On 6/4/07, Peter Tilbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am glad I don't work on one of Andrew Scotts projects. On 04/06/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon CFC's go without saying, as there will be problems if you do

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread Adam Cameron
isDefined() will sometimes return false positives when dealing with SESSION-scoped variables. I do not recall which version of CF this was on, but would have been no earlier than 6.1. Ihave not re- verified this on subsequent versions. At that point in time I switched to using

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread M@ Bourke
http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm/do/blog.entry/entry/isDefined_vs_structKeyExists --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread Simon Haddon
I can't agree with the statement goes without saying as too often I have to say it. I have seen so many bad implementations of CFC that clobber variables left right and centre that it really annoys me and , disappointingly it is allowed in the language. I have taken over projects that I have

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread Simon Haddon
Why do you say that Peter? From emails that I have read I think that Andrew is quiet a disciplined programmer? What is the problem? Cheers, Simon On 04/06/07, Peter Tilbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am glad I don't work on one of Andrew Scotts projects. On 04/06/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread Peter Tilbrook
I agree (disciplined) but he then bagged the request scope so now I am not so sure. -- Peter Tilbrook ColdGen Internet Solutions President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group PO Box 2247 Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620 AUSTRALIA http://www.coldgen.com/ http://www.actcfug.com/ Tel: +61-2-6284-2727

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread Raymond Camden
Err, how am I wrong? I said there was a speed difference, and you agreed? Or did you think I meant it was ALWAYS faster? If so - I misspoke and you are right to correct me. On 6/4/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually Ray is wrong so to speak... It is a known fact and even though

[cfaussie] Re: CFAussie Community Head Count

2007-06-04 Thread mark_wybrow
It brings a tear to my eye to see all these numbers - Solidarity Brothers! sol·i·dar·i·ty 1. union or fellowship arising from common responsibilities and interests, as between members of a group or between classes, peoples, etc.: to promote solidarity among union members. 2. community of

[cfaussie] CF Cluster on one machine!?

2007-06-04 Thread Taco Fleur
I am hoping to get some input on the following. I have one instance of CF running and one is dormant (STAGING) to upload new code to and test it out before moving to LIVE. We are starting out with one machine for CF and will tag on more as the need arises, my question is, would there be any

[cfaussie] Re: CF Cluster on one machine!?

2007-06-04 Thread Haikal Saadh
Remember that as you add instances, resources available to each individual cluster drops. Now, rather than having stage and live on one machine, wouldn't it make more sense to have two machines? * One for the live. * Second one for stage, with maybe an additional instance clustered

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread Andrew Scott
Ray, I said so to speak, I think the discussion on cftalk about how one is faster on one platform than the other is interesting. On 6/5/07, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Err, how am I wrong? I said there was a speed difference, and you agreed? Or did you think I meant it was

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread Andrew Scott
And Peter you need to know when the micky is being taken out of you. Sorry it was just that 2 fridays in a row, the request scope had nothing to do with the problem yet you provided it as an answer:-) On 6/5/07, Peter Tilbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree (disciplined) but he then bagged

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread Haikal Saadh
Having seen more than my fair share of request scope abuse, I can see why he would. I think easy access to request in CF can cause poor code. But then again, guns don't kill people, people kill people, right? Peter Tilbrook wrote: I agree (disciplined) but he then bagged the request scope

[cfaussie] Re: asReports V0.2 alpha released

2007-06-04 Thread Scott Thornton
Can it also open the report in the Crystal ActiveX viewer? Does it handle reports with multiple subreports? I had a (brief) look at it late last night. I will need to check how to pass the report parameters (for stored procedures) and pass it selection criteria. We are a huge Crystal 9 site,

[cfaussie] Re: CF Cluster

2007-06-04 Thread Duncan
Yep, you will end up with 4 services, a jrun manager, a cf manager, and 2 instances that you can cluster. the jrun manager service hosts Jrun (duh) and then that runs the default cf instance. this is the only cf instance that gives you the cluster manager in administrator. Once you create

[cfaussie] Re: asReports V0.2 alpha released

2007-06-04 Thread Andrew Scott
Scott, Yes it handles sub reports, and no it doesn't use ActiveX viewer. I found that cumbersum, and my boss at the time (Hi Dale) had designed a more elligant approach. The main idea is that you can use cfcontent to deliver the report to the browser one it is created. However I might look into

[cfaussie] Re: CF Cluster on one machine!?

2007-06-04 Thread Duncan
We run 2 machines via a load balancer with sticky sessions, then have 3 instances on each machine. the default instance runs testing and staging sites, and then we have a cluster that runs 2 instances for the production application. It runs great. The best advantage is that if one instance gets

[cfaussie] Re: Virtual Server Hosting

2007-06-04 Thread Duncan
Dale, We use rackspace.com and they are fantastic. not cheap so that would affect your decision, but they are great. HTH Duncan On 5/31/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, We currently run our own servers in a data centre and we are due this year to upgrade a lot of

[cfaussie] asReports V0.2 alpha released

2007-06-04 Thread Scott Thornton
We have loads of problems with the ActiveX viewer most staff are not local admins and cannot install the viewer when it runs for the first time. I just prefer it as I can navigate through the groups on the report much easier as compared to when displayed in .pdf Andrew Scott [EMAIL

[cfaussie] Re: CF Cluster

2007-06-04 Thread Taco Fleur
I'm guessing the cf instance can tehn be disabled - untill I need to manage the cluster again? On 6/5/07, Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, you will end up with 4 services, a jrun manager, a cf manager, and 2 instances that you can cluster. the jrun manager service hosts Jrun (duh) and

[cfaussie] Re: CF Cluster on one machine!?

2007-06-04 Thread Taco Fleur
Yup, it would make more sense to have another machine for the cluster, but as specified, we don't have that luxury at the moment. And I'm basically looking for an excuse (where there isn't one yet) to install a cluster on one machine (I'm like a boy with a new toy). I prefer my staging on the

[cfaussie] Re: CF Cluster on one machine!?

2007-06-04 Thread Taco Fleur
I like this. Just the excuse I was looking for, let's wait and see if there are any major negatives ;-) On 6/5/07, Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We run 2 machines via a load balancer with sticky sessions, then have 3 instances on each machine. the default instance runs testing and staging

[cfaussie] Re: CFAussie Community Head Count

2007-06-04 Thread Barry Beattie
It brings a tear to my eye to see all these numbers - Solidarity Brothers! Soli-darity For-ever Buntel dressed up in tight leather Ben Forta left standing in the weather For Cold-Fusion makes us strong --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread grant
Wow thanks for the response people. My question is really out of pure laziness - I have a huge struct that i need to check a key for - the actual key path is session.currentuser.currentreport.filters.currentfilter.filterset, where filters, currentfilter and filterset may not be present. so it's

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread Haikal Saadh
Personally, I favour sane defaults rather than having to check for presence of variables all the time. And the bigger and more complicated your data structs get, I think having to check to see if a variable exists is a quick path to insanity. Side effect of eating too much spaghetti... grant

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread Dale Fraser
Then I'll stick to my original statement that there is nothing wrong with isDefined it's better than embedded structKeyExists. Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com http://dalefraser.blogspot.com From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

[cfaussie] Re: isDefined() bad?

2007-06-04 Thread grant
@Dale: It throws. @Haikal: Good Point. It's that laziness again - setting up and maintaining defaults can be rather tiresome. On 05/06/07, Haikal Saadh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I favour sane defaults rather than having to check for presence of variables all the time. And the

[cfaussie] Re: CFAussie Community Head Count

2007-06-04 Thread dfwise
FAB, Long time veiwer, first time caller. On Jun 1, 12:02 pm, Matt Voerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, Just a quick note to let you guys know that we at the Adobe Australia office haven't forgotten about you, and do monitor this (and several other) lists on a regular basis. We have

[cfaussie] Re: CFAussie Community Head Count

2007-06-04 Thread Mark Mandel
wow.. is this thing still going? Mark On 6/5/07, dfwise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FAB, Long time veiwer, first time caller. On Jun 1, 12:02 pm, Matt Voerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, Just a quick note to let you guys know that we at the Adobe Australia office haven't

[cfaussie] Re: CFAussie Community Head Count

2007-06-04 Thread Barry Beattie
Mark, yours is the 100th post on this thread but not the 100th person to ping car-mawwnnn! we can d it!!! The CFAUSSIE-a-thon is hoping to raise 100 members from the dead. The total so far at the tally room comes in at 83 members (someone check this?) Email now, our inboxes are ready