RE: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

2010-08-04 Thread Jens Hübel
Hey Jukka, let's discuss some of the technical areas how to continue. Would it at least make sense for the projects to share a common org.apache.cmis package with with things like constants defined in the CMIS standard and other basic concepts that everyone can agree with? Definitely there

Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

2009-12-15 Thread Ugo Cei
On Dec 11, 2009, at 5:28 PM, Jens Hübel wrote: All I am saying is just be open Being open is OK, but having a separate project in incubator is just confusing. I'm all for 1) accepting the code under the Chemistry tree as an alternative client implementation 2) trying to see if the two

Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

2009-12-12 Thread Stefane Fermigier
, December 11, 2009 7:46 PM To: chemistry-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Incubator-General Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS) On Dec 11, 2009, at 7:10 PM, Florian Müller wrote: Chemistry uses Abdera to communicate with the server

Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

2009-12-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Stefane Fermigier s...@nuxeo.com wrote: OK, I personally believe this is in contradiction with the first commandment of the Apache Way: *Community over Code* is a frequent saying that exemplifies ASF projects. Community uses Openness and Merit, expressed

Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

2009-12-12 Thread Florent Guillaume
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Michael Wechner michael.wech...@wyona.com wrote: Right and as long as OpenCMIS fulfills the requirements of the incubator I don't see any reason why there shouldn't be two projects of the same topic. I also do not see any reason why OpenCMIS should be a

Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

2009-12-12 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message From: Florent Guillaume f...@nuxeo.com To: gene...@incubator.apache.org Cc: chemistry-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Sat, December 12, 2009 10:35:18 AM Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS) On Fri

Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

2009-12-12 Thread Michael Wechner
Florent Guillaume wrote: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Michael Wechner michael.wech...@wyona.com wrote: Right and as long as OpenCMIS fulfills the requirements of the incubator I don't see any reason why there shouldn't be two projects of the same topic. I also do not see any reason why

Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

2009-12-11 Thread Ugo Cei
On Dec 10, 2009, at 4:00 PM, Florent Guillaume wrote: My earlier recommendation to Paul and Florian, and my recommendation today, is that, if incubating is deemed the better choice, OpenCMIS become a top level directory under the Chemistry codebase. The earlier the two codebases are brought

Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

2009-12-11 Thread Stefane Fermigier
Same for me (if I understand your opinion correctly): we shouldn't have OpenCMIS competing with a subproject of Chemistry, because it will have a negative impact both internally (on project developers) and externally (on project customers): 1. Internally: duplication of effort, instead of

RE: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

2009-12-11 Thread Florian Müller
Message- From: Stefane Fermigier [mailto:s...@nuxeo.com] Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 3:52 PM To: chemistry-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Incubator-General Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS) Same for me (if I understand your

Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

2009-12-11 Thread Stefane Fermigier
On Dec 11, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Florian Müller wrote: Hi Stefane, I'm not sure I get your point. If OpenCMIS would become a top level subproject within Chemistry (which is what Florent suggested) then those two topics would still remain. It would be even worse: Chemistry would then have

RE: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

2009-12-11 Thread Jens Hübel
Hi Chemistry, I understand the concerns you might have and the confusion we have caused. But please do not forget that Open in Open Source has a meaning. So I am not sure that all the comments I read here are in accordance with the idea of it. So before you just say No please think about - If

Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

2009-12-11 Thread Florent Guillaume
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: I compared opencmis-provider-api to chemistry-api. While there are differences in design (granularity of interfaces, type safety, etc.), the fundamental architecture is the same for both projects. This is as expected

Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

2009-12-11 Thread Stefane Fermigier
On Dec 11, 2009, at 5:28 PM, Jens Hübel wrote: Hi Chemistry, I understand the concerns you might have and the confusion we have caused. But please do not forget that Open in Open Source has a meaning. So I am not sure that all the comments I read here are in accordance with the idea of

Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

2009-12-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Stefane Fermigier s...@nuxeo.com wrote: ...More seriously, let's not attack each other's conception of open source, and focus on the question at hand +1 ...Everyone, member of the open source community or not, is free to start a new implementation of

RE: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

2009-12-11 Thread Florian Müller
: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS) Hi, On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Florian Müller fmuel...@opentext.com wrote: The only way to overcome this is to merge the OpenCMIS code into the Chemistry code base. But the technical approaches

Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

2009-12-11 Thread Florent Guillaume
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Florian Müller fmuel...@opentext.com wrote: But you are actually comparing two different levels of APIs. The opencmis-provider-api handles simple immutable data objects while chemistry-api follows an object-oriented approach. As far as I know Chemistry has

Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

2009-12-11 Thread Stefane Fermigier
On Dec 11, 2009, at 7:10 PM, Florian Müller wrote: Chemistry uses Abdera to communicate with the server while OpenCMIS is based on JAX-B and some CMIS specific XML coding. I've been personally asking myself recently wether it would be feasible to drop Abdera in favor of JAXB in

RE: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

2009-12-11 Thread Jens Hübel
Hi Jukka, It's a bit unfortunate that we now have two codebases for pretty much the same thing, but I guess we just have to live with that for now. In fact some healthy competition may even be good for both projects. There is no doubt that life would have been easier for all of us if all

Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

2009-12-11 Thread Michael Wechner
any current rule of the incubator? Cheers Michael Florian -Original Message- From: Stefane Fermigier [mailto:s...@nuxeo.com] Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:46 PM To: chemistry-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Incubator-General Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content

Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

2009-12-10 Thread Stefane Fermigier
I find this proposal very strange. Doesn't Chemistry already provide a client library ? What's the problem with it ? S. On Dec 9, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: Hi, For those who're not following gene...@incubator. BR, Jukka Zitting -- Forwarded message --